More On Psycho Ex-Girlfriends

Via Glenn Reynolds, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), a Barack Obama supporter, trafficking in more sexism:

Memphis Commercial Appeal's Blake Fontenay: According to U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Memphis, she may be starting to more closely resemble another famous movie character: The psycho lady played by Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction."

When asked about whether Clinton should drop out of the race on Fox 13's "Good Morning Memphis" program today, Cohen said: "Glenn Close should have stayed in that tub."

Nice. Sexism is the bigotry that has the imprimatur of respectability it seems.

By the way, for folks and bloggers who are getting tired of my harping on the rampant sexism directed at Hillary Clinton, I say this, when it stops, then I will stop.

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    Good for you BTD (5.00 / 8) (#1)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:49:37 PM EST
    Double standards.  

    For those who do not know my history (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:54:12 PM EST
    I have been complaining about sexism for along time.

    See me on Lawrence Summers.


    Thank you (5.00 / 6) (#16)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:02:16 PM EST
    It's actually comforting to know that not all men think this way.

    SO (none / 0) (#74)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:51:44 AM EST
    you thought all men thought this way until BTD posted this?

    Thank you so much BTD - don't stop! (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by Dr Molly on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:45:45 AM EST
    It is so disheartening to find so many 'progressive' men during this campaign who care not one whit about sexist language and its pernicious effects. And it so encouraging to find the ones like you who care.

    RE: Larry Summers - I did not know about Talk Left during that time period, but I was on a panel about women in science directly after that to deal with some of the fallout. It is truly shocking how sexism knows no boundaries - class, education, etc.


    BTD's (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:58:42 PM EST
    good on his sexism sniffer...

    I suspect (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Coldblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:51:23 PM EST
    that you will be harping for some time to come.

    Sobeit (5.00 / 10) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:51:39 PM EST
    I'm not complaining n/t (5.00 / 9) (#5)
    by Coldblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:53:17 PM EST
    You've got my support. (5.00 / 9) (#8)
    by Maria Garcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:54:54 PM EST
    Mine too (5.00 / 7) (#34)
    by otherlisa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:35:31 PM EST
    Please do not stop, BTD. It means a lot.

    Same here (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by vigkat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:18:16 AM EST
    Maintaining one's principles has become so rare that it's almost startling (but immensely encouraging) to see it in action.  Thank you BTD.  I appreciate your "no compromise" position; it takes courage, something which you appear to have in ample supply.

    Harps make angelic sounds - Keep harping (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by feet on earth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:43:25 AM EST
    Unbelievable (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:52:50 PM EST
    I just lost all respect for Cohen too.

    Well, they got the word (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:54:03 PM EST
    it's ok to say that kind of stuff.  We are going backwards.  Precisely why Hillary stays and should stay in the fight.  

    They may have gotten the word, (5.00 / 7) (#14)
    by Iphie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:00:56 PM EST
    but all I have to say, is keep it up, Obama and surrogates -- keep it up and see how many more women you can piss off between now and when the nomination is truly over -- they may just be surprised who gets the last word.

    I never thought (5.00 / 7) (#15)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:01:22 PM EST
    we'd be going back so far so quickly.

    Once again, it's perfectly acceptable to be sexist, but don't you dare say anything about race or we will hang, draw and quarter you.

    This reminds me of every bad breakup I've had with a guy. Somehow he was always the innocent victim and I was the psycho hose beast b*tch, whether I dumped them or they dumped me. Women are always psycho, right?


    My exact sentiment (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:11:25 PM EST
    My comment is always: "At some point you loved that person, how can they become psycho overnight?"

    But I remember one of my first comments here (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Florida Resident on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:19:03 PM EST
    was that sexism was more prevalent than racism and I was ostracized because I was pitting one against the other.  The problem IMO is that people don't stop to think that sexism and I include sexual orientation issues also exist in all races.  So even people who will defend the rights of AA's and Hispanics will stand by and allow the discrimination of women and Homosexuals.  Some churches even use religion to justify  it still  as they use to justify slavery.

    I am really struggling with the thought (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by abfabdem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:34:06 PM EST
    that if I vote for him it will be the mental equivalent of battered wife syndrome.  After calling me names in the most vile way, that now they want my vote they will promise to be good and that they've always loved me, it was all just a big misunderstanding.  They didn't really mean to say those hurtful things. Please be a good girl and vote for me now.  

    I've equated (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:41:46 PM EST
    the whole recent tenor of the campaign to just that. Been there, done that, am not going through it again.

    Really, they wouldn't beat us if we didn't ask for it. All we have to do is behave and everything will be all right.


    And speak when I say you can speak. (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by BarnBabe on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:03:42 AM EST
    Yep, you got that last line right. It is like a battered wife syndrome. And we all know the answer to how to end the abuse. You cut off their control and take your life back. This is a Democracy.

    Some men are scared of a woman being President and some people are scared of a black person being President. That should not be the problem. It should be choose the right person you feel can best run this country.  And hearing this idiot refer to Hillary as Glen Close in Fatal Attraction tells me they should not be in a leadership position and need to be removed. Are you sure these are the educated ones with the open mouth, insert both feet?


    Or (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by chrisvee on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:09:09 AM EST
    'So what if I verbally abuse you a bit, you've got no place else to go'.  That's how the party is making me feel right now.  Even though I'm disrespected daily, I basically have to vote Dem or die in the GE, so I can shut up already. I'm powerless in the party's eyes.

    And I don't like it.


    Don't struggle. (none / 0) (#41)
    by kmblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:44:14 PM EST
    I posted the same thought lower down.
    Obama supporters are already coming to
    Talk Left with what they think are voices of sweet reason; ready to persuade us to see the light.

    But they keep giving themselves away by bring up Roe v. Wade (can't resist those threats to bring us back in line).


    Or by suggesting another woman be VP (5.00 / 6) (#43)
    by Cream City on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:51:53 PM EST
    I hate that one.

    My spouse said that tonight.  Fortunately, we have an extra room with a comfy futon. . . .


    Yep (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by otherlisa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:48:38 AM EST
    "Lie Back, and think of the Supreme Court."

    Yeah, they default to (none / 0) (#59)
    by Iris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:20:59 PM EST
    the 'feminist' issues.  How patronizing.

    What I think they fail to realize is that 1.) Most of America is not reading blogs and 2.) 'Old-style politics' is about issues and constituencies.  Even if they managed to convince every commenter at TalkLeft, that would still do very little to solve Obama's problems with voters.  


    I agree with you, but (none / 0) (#49)
    by kayla on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:17:37 PM EST
    "The problem IMO is that people don't stop to think that sexism and I include sexual orientation issues also exist in all races."

    Yes, sexism goes across all racial lines, but racism goes across all gender lines.


    I Dunno (none / 0) (#61)
    by squeaky on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:45:35 PM EST
    It seems that racism and sexism both cross all racial and gender lines. When it gets confusing the indicator is power, and who has more irrespective of race or gender.

    Before they were (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by Iphie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:27:28 PM EST
    psycho, they were hysterical -- you see, while the attitude hasn't advanced, the language has.

    The traditional triad of adjectives (5.00 / 6) (#45)
    by Cream City on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:53:17 PM EST
    for women: Hysterical, impulsive, and over-reacting.

    If I never hear any of those appellations for a woman gain, I'll be happy.  Hysterically happy.:-)


    Correction: (none / 0) (#53)
    by seeker on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:44:40 PM EST
    "don't say anything about race that we might possibly be able to remove from context or twist to make it appear that you are racist. . ."

    Andrew Sullivan (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by daria g on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:55:00 PM EST
    Started that.


    Not surprising from the (5.00 / 6) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:56:45 PM EST
    defender of Summers and the Bell Curve.

    The rampant sexism in this campaign (5.00 / 9) (#10)
    by Radiowalla on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST
    will be the stuff of a great Ph.D. thesis one of these days.

    There is more than enough material for several theses, come to think of it.

    Absolutely (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by daria g on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:20:58 PM EST
    I'd almost go back to grad school for that..
    well, OK, I'm not that crazy.  :)  It's no surprise that time and time again throughout history.. there's some turmoil going on in society.. and a woman is demonized for it.  And they're all the same, they're just evil - she's Marie Antoinette, she's Evita, she's Glenn Close.. b***h is crazy.  Better shut her up in the attic like Bertha Mason.  At least the accusations that Hillary is an evil queen who thought she'd be coronated have died down a bit?  But then, I don't read the great orange cheeto blog any more.

    Oh, no. Don't stop. (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Iphie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:57:46 PM EST
    Are you kidding me, Cohen said that? Did he learn nothing from Ken Rudin who used the same comparison -- and then the apology Rudin was forced to make?.

    What a disappointment that is. (5.00 / 6) (#17)
    by Teresa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:05:08 PM EST
    I'm not in his district but I'm going to let him know how I feel about his statement.

    I just tried to send him an email (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by shoephone on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:41:49 PM EST
    through his web page but like many Congresspeople, he does not accept emails from anyone outside his district.

    I will be calling his Tennessee offices on Monday morning to give them a piece of my mind. And then some. His comments are reprehensible and should be publicized far and wide.

    Thanks BTD for posting about this.


    He doesn't accept from fellow Tennesseans (none / 0) (#70)
    by Teresa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:31:03 AM EST
    either so I will fax a letter to him. I tried to remember my brother's old address in Memphis but no luck.

    He may not accept emails (none / 0) (#75)
    by stefystef on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:56:32 AM EST
    but he takes snail mail.
    I think a letter writing campaign is in order.

    Didn't Hillary win TN?


    "By the way, for (5.00 / 11) (#18)
    by kangeroo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:05:26 PM EST
    folks and bloggers who are getting tired of my harping on the rampant sexism directed at Hillary Clinton, I say this, when it stops, then I will stop."

    you're a man after my own heart, BTD.  thank you.  :)

    sexism (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by yourkidding on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:07:14 PM EST
    Good for you. Couldn't agree more.
     Just finished watching Matthews, a man who is so sexist he doesn't even know it. Pathetic

    Oh, he knows it all right (none / 0) (#47)
    by Radiowalla on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:00:10 PM EST
    but he's downright proud of it!

    Thanks (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by BigB on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:14:01 PM EST

    Thanks for calling attention to this. All these people are doing are forming up our disgust with Obama and his supporters.

    The media never calles Obama supporters' sexism. However, they will twist every innocent remark into some kind of racism.

    When this moron is up for reelection (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:17:15 PM EST
    & even though I am not in his state, much less district, I will proudly donate the max to his opponent -- even if he is up against Mickey Mouse.

    He's Up This Year (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by BDB on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:01:29 PM EST
    He appears to be a House Member.

    I'm doing a google search as we speak (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:12:04 PM EST
    and my check will be in the mail shortly. Thanks.

    Worst part is (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Eleanor A on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:03:44 AM EST
    When he was in the Tennessee Senate, he was a really reliable vote on women's issues.  He surely knows better than this.  I'm not defending him - not one iota - but he's a white Jew in a heavily, heavily AA district in Memphis.  He's got a black woman running against him who used to be on the staff of Nashville Rep.  Bob Clement.


    I'm sure she'd appreciate your support.


    Oh, and (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Eleanor A on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:04:26 AM EST
    be sure to drop him a note letting him know you donated to his opponent and why:



    you can only email (none / 0) (#71)
    by angie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:55:21 AM EST
    if you live in his district -- what a dink. Anyway, I'm not opposed to sending him a letter via snail mail -- and I will be. Thanks for the help.

    email from Cong. sites (none / 0) (#76)
    by DFLer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:10:33 AM EST
    for constituents only is pretty common. That helps legislators respond to constituents' concerns, rather than being overwhelmed by mass emails from any group.

    Just saying...check your own Cong. person's site.


    My Wife feels the same way (none / 0) (#31)
    by Rhouse on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:29:55 PM EST
    and so do I.  And by the way the 'my wife' does not imply ownership of her - we have a cat.

    The men who do this (5.00 / 8) (#23)
    by kmblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:18:59 PM EST
    are bad enough, but even worse are the women
    who cheerfully aid and abet in their own
    destruction (MoDo, for example).

    Can you imagine (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by LatinoVoter on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:21:18 PM EST
    the outrage if Hillary's people would start comparing Barack to OJ?

    I know JJjr went there first but imagine for a second if someone on Hillary's team compared him to OJ.

    It has been 8 years in the making but I'm officially no longer a Dem. I know nobody, especially Donna Brazile, will notice but adios Democratic Party.

    If enough people (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Jane in CA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:42:38 PM EST
    switch parties, you bet the dem party and, by extension, donna b will care. I know I keep harping on this, but in California, if only 33% of the 50% of dem base that will vote for McCain or stay home (per Indiana and NC exit polls) switch to the American Independent Party (AIP), the democratic party slips into third place, with the AIP voters roughly equal to the republicans.

    I cannot imagine any scenario under which such a situation would not create consternation, and a probable sea change in the the demo leadership (who have essentially eschewed your latino vote because latinos, like woman, do not vote in blocs).  At the least, it would provide legitimacy to the AIP, and possibly assist in creating a viable new party that actually does transcend race and gender to meet the needs of Americans who are neither Christian conservative or creative class liberals. The fact that we could build a coalition that does not rely upon demagogues like Kennedy, Kerry, Brazile, Dean, et al. is just value-added.

    A shout out and thank you BTD, for your unwavering support of, and respect for women.


    posting here for the first time (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by indy woman on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:32:27 PM EST
    What if Hillary left the Democratic party and ran as a 3rd party candidate,  The Centristt Party? She would get a lot of support from women votes, latino's and seniors.  

    I would love to see that, (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Jane in CA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:43:31 PM EST
    except I believe that Hillary's loyalty to the Dem party is genuine and intense.  I don't think that she would split the party by running as a third ticket candidate -- as much as I'd love to see it.

    In fact, I'd stake money that, running as a third party candidate, she'd lose to Mccain, but beat Obama. I can't think of a better way for voters to tell the party that it is marginalizing itself out of existence.  Again, though, I don't think she'd do it.  From everything I've heard, she values loyalty above all. If she ran on a third party ticket, she would hurt quite badly those demos who have supported her since day one -- Rendall, etc.  I just don't think she'd do that.


    I commented on that earlier (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:55:11 PM EST
    the REAL dream ticket:  Hillary Clinton/Elizabeth Edwards.

    I would quit my job and work fulltime for that.  Being gay I relate to the way women have been demeaned by society.  Gay guys are likened to women.  Our society is SO screwed up.  If a girl dresses like a boy, she's a tomboy or outdoorsy.  If a boy dresses like a girl there's something WRONG with him or he's weak.

    Also, being Latino, in my family at least, the women hold the power.  They decide family functions, who goes where and other critical family duties.

    So I take HUGE exception to sexism.  I have more girlfriends than anything else.  Women have been my role models:  My Mom and one of my aunts.  They are strong, raised children on their own, educated themselves and have taken the lead on family issues.


    Response to Obama's (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:43:38 PM EST
    vulgar hand gestures because he had a poor showing against Hillary at the PA debate was outbursts of laughter, and that included the women sitting behind him.

    There was no public outrage, just a lot of pundits asking, "did he, or didn't he?".


    sorry (none / 0) (#77)
    by DFLer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:14:20 AM EST
    didn't see that as "sexist" per se, just bad manners.

    Congratulations! (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by RalphB on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:06:22 PM EST
    and I mean it from the bottom of my heart.  Being an Independent is easier.  If supporters of Hillary are really angry about her treatment by the party elite, and want to have an effect, they should ditch the Democratic party by the millions.

    Large numbers of defections will be noticed.  Otherwise, those same party elites, and the ones which follow, will just keep up the same misogynist behavior.  Nothing will change until you punish their current behavior.


    I agree (none / 0) (#58)
    by hookfan on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:16:35 PM EST
    Don't feed the monster or it will only get bigger and badder.

    BTD (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by Lil on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:22:15 PM EST
    Your sentiments on sexism are very much appreciated by me.

    Me, Too (5.00 / 5) (#29)
    by BDB on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:27:14 PM EST
    This Is Starting To Make It Very Hard for Me (5.00 / 13) (#28)
    by BDB on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:26:55 PM EST
    to vote for Obama.  I will not be the equivalent of an African American conservative or a Log Cabin Republican, someone who stays in a party because of policy even though a large portion of the party clearly hates them and an even larger portion is willing to leverage that hate to win.

    Fighting sexism and misogyny isn't some political issue, it's about valuing me as a human being.  I don't believe any party that leverages hate against me is, in the end, going to do anything for me.  

    And the Republicans might be awful on every single issue, but they would never have stood silent while the media treated Condoleezza Rice like the Democrats did to Hillary Ciinton.  And I can damn sure guarantee you that African Americans would not be voting democratic if Obama had to endure the kind of day in and day out racist attacks from the media unanswered by his party or opponent.  They wouldn't put up with it and rightly so.

    Yet, I'm supposed to fall in line and vote for Obama in the Fall.  I've always considered myself a yellow dog Democrat, but I'm finding that increasingly difficult to do.  

    As Melissa McEwan has said:

    There are too many progressives who view social change like conservatives view economics: Make everything as splendid as possible for those at the top and the benefits will "trickle down" to everyone below.

    Well, it's bullsh*t when we're talking about tax cuts, and it's bullsh*t when we're talking about equality and opportunity.

    Feminists know that--and if we're beginning to feel resistant to being played like suckers every election, if we're increasingly unwilling to play the equivalent role of the disaffected evangelicals who keep voting Republican as though the leadership will give a rat's ass about them someday, can you really blame us?

    We make fun of those people.

    Shaker CE said in comments yesterday, "Knowing that the alternative is worse actually makes it harder for me; it just reinforces that sense I often get from some Dems, including Sen. Obama in this cycle, that they think they can do whatever the f@*! they like to me, because I don't have any other option. The worst part? They're right."

    They are right, unless we go somewhere else. This isn't a treatise to convince anyone to do so--but it's an explanation for why a feminist might, why it's a legitimate choice, and why, if that means the Left isn't a picture of harmony, it's not our fault.

    The reason the Left is discordant isn't because of our standards; it's because there are so many bigots with no benchmark for success but winning--even at our expense.

    Edited to clean up expletives.

    I never thought of it that way . . . (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by abfabdem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:42:40 PM EST
    I was always so amazed that evangelicals kept voting for Bush when it was so clear he was using them.  To think now the boyz in my own party think they can treat me the same way but that in spite of all the sexist hate that I will continue to fall in line and vote with them anyway.  Whoa, this is a very tough thing to realize.  Got to think about this some more . . .

    And don't forget to ponder (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by kmblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:55:49 PM EST
    the  female journalists (Andrea Mitchell comes to mind) who have vilified Hillary at every opportunity while snarking it up with the boyz club.

    Thanks BTD for harping....at least you are (5.00 / 6) (#33)
    by athyrio on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:34:44 PM EST
    being an honest blogger and speaking the truth no matter what it is....I respect that...So Thank you very much....

    Yup (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by kmblue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:39:13 PM EST
    This particular woman, having observed Hillary Clinton's treatment during this election campaign, now equates the Democratic Party to an abusive husband.  He's beating the crap out of me.  I'm about ready to hit the street.

    BTD, I'm not tired of your discussion of sexism (5.00 / 6) (#44)
    by stefystef on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:52:37 PM EST
    I want to thank you for pointing out the last -ism that is okay in this society.  The anti-woman movement just doesn't stop with Hillary Clinton.  It has been throughout this campaign as women who support Hillary have been marginalize and portrayed as hysterical and irrational.

    Obama as just made a new all-boys club.  There will be no change with Obama, only more discrimination against women and the acceptance to vilify strong women.

    Please keep up the GREAT work, BTD.

    Good job, BTD (5.00 / 5) (#50)
    by NotThatStupid on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:31:12 PM EST
    ... I'm new here, but I appreciate your efforts to spotlight and, hopefully, change the sexism rampant in this campaign, this society, our media, our world.

    It is ugly and because of it, it appears the Democratic Party will nominate a second-rate male candidate instead of the first rate female candidate they could have had. I say they because I do not consider myself part of the party now.

    I keep thinking about Mrs. Clinton's speech in Beijing on the subject of women's rights. That heartfelt speech was a thousand times better, and required significantly more guts, than Mr. Obama's speeches on the Iraq war and race.

    Sexism in 2008 (5.00 / 4) (#54)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:45:15 PM EST
    Whooda thunk that Democrats would be so blatantly sexist while commenting on a sitting US Senator running for president (mind you, one of their own party members)?

    I cannot wait to see the wave of women voters who will move away from BHO to just sitting it out or writing in HRC's name. A political tsunami is building.

    Tonight, I had dinner with a great friend of 15 years. She and I discussed the sexist attitudes towards HRC right now.  We had a very spirited conversation.  She told me, "man I am glad you're on my side!"  We talked about Keith Olberman's remarks about taking Hillary into a room and her not coming out.

    Needless to say the air was blue and we were both very angry at that type of stmt.  If I were to EVER see KO on the street, I would ask him to take ME into a ROOM and see if HE would come out without a black eye or a busted lip.

    Pick on someone your own size!

    Tex (none / 0) (#78)
    by DFLer on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:18:47 AM EST
    way I see it, Olberman would be the undersized one in that fight. Put Hill and him in a room....she would win!

    Thanks, BTD (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by eleanora on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:48:32 PM EST
    for your principled stand against bigotry of all kinds. Hard to believe that Melissa McEwan's Hillary Clinton Sexism watch is heading into 90 entries now. So many people I thought were allies turned out to be just using women's issues as a convenient vote-getter. Very disillusioning, but I appreciate even more the friends we can still believe are on our side.

    I'm on a roll tonight. (5.00 / 6) (#66)
    by Iphie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:38:41 AM EST
    (Which is to say, I'm pissed.) Text of the fax to Congressman Cohen (can't send an email, so fax it will be -- I'm sure he doesn't care either way, but I'm still sending it).
    Congressman Cohen,

    I read this evening of your disparaging remarks about Senator Clinton comparing her to Glenn Close's character in Fatal Attraction. It surprised and angered me for two different reasons.

    Firstly, in case you don't remember, Glenn Close's character was finally killed with a bullet to the heart. That you would be willing to publicly muse about the violent demise of a sitting U.S. Senator and candidate for the presidency is despicable. Those Secret Service agents she has protecting her around the clock are there to ensure that some person doesn't put into action the violent fantasies you have put into words.

    Secondly, the misogyny of the comment is inexcusable. My mother taught me that as Jews, we had a unique understanding of bigotry and discrimination and that knowledge gave us an increased responsibility to battle such hatred whenever and wherever we encountered it. We could not expect others to view us free of such bigotry if we were willing to allow it stand when used against others.

    I have read about the anti-semitic attacks waged against you in an effort to thwart your political career. That you would turn around and use the same tactic against Senator Clinton because you are supporting her opponent is not only bad karma, it's incredibly hypocritical.

    Apparently, neither your mother nor your own recent personal experience has imparted to you the lesson my mother gave to me. You owe Senator Clinton and all of the millions of Americans who have voted for her an apology.

    A shonda, Congressman Cohen, a shonda.

    but god forbid (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by cpinva on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:49:29 AM EST
    anyone mention the fact that without the overwhelming support of the AA community in the south (not that there was anything wrong with that!), sen. obama wouldn't have won any of them.

    that, my friends, would clearly be racist!

    BTD, a suggestion (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by boredmpa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:17:20 AM EST
    Start using misogyny for blatant hatred/disgust/demonizing and sexism for systems/double standards/institutional pressure.

    Maybe it's just me, but I think some of these actions deserve the stronger word, because calling someone sexist in our society doesn't have as much value as calling them a woman hater.  Misogyny as a term exists for that reason.

    Thank you, BTD (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by BoGardiner on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:11:01 AM EST
    Please don't stop "harping."  The moment we stop calling this out is the moment we've lost.

    This is exactly why Clinton needs to stay in the (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by kimsaw on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:48:58 AM EST
    race till the very end. If she drops out before all the votes are cast she does nothing to advance the chances of the next female to run for the presidency. Clinton has shown that she is fearless. She may lose the battle but she has shown that a woman can excel at politics through hard work and determination and compete equally with her male counterpart. She is an inspiration to anyone who loves this country female or not.  

    Is this where I can get ... (1.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Tortmaster on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:12:56 AM EST
    ... an analogy check-up? You know, bang the tires, take it for a test drive? Would it be sexist to say HRC reminds one of a mummy -- slow, but determined?

    I'm also racking my brain for non-sexist analogies for someone who has overstayed his or her welcome, and the best I can come up with is Gale Snoats (John Goodman) and Evelle Snoats, the convicts who came to visit H.I. and Ed in "Raising Arizona." Here's Gale and Evelle doing their thing:


    But, if I use Gale and Evelle Snoats, then am I not just being a reverse-sexist? Any help would be appreciated.

    If you are saying that (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 10, 2008 at 08:42:27 AM EST
    Hillary Clinton has overstayed her welcome in the primary election then don't look for any help from most of the people here. We don't think she's overstayed her welcome. WE welcome her tenacity and think she should continue to the end.

    Most helpful advice I could give would be for you to just leave this topic alone since it is obvious it is beyond your comprehension and outside of your interest zone. It is not a conversation that we find amusing.


    The analogy is a risky..... (5.00 / 0) (#88)
    by kdog on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:45:13 AM EST
    proposition these days...the pc police are out in force, batons at the ready to beat you over the head.

    Better to be bland and uncreative when expressing yourself.  Kinda like when you get pulled over by the real police, stick to "yes sir" and "no sir", it's safer.  Keep your feelings bottled up inside, don't share your thoughts, don't be honest.  Do not assume that the pc police will make the least effort to understand your context and meaning.


    i agree, the sexism needs to stop (none / 0) (#42)
    by oldnorthstate on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:45:50 PM EST
    but sexism doesn't sell papers like claims of racism do.  it is all very ugly and sad.

    SEX (none / 0) (#73)
    by karen for Clinton on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:25:27 AM EST
    aka The Gender Card.  Time to play it ladies.

    I hardly ever say a word about sex in this race.
    I also have always used the word "contest" instead of "race" so as not to imply anything. In thousands of posts I have never ever used his middle name and tried to stick to my higher values.  And when faced with Hillary Nut Crackers in NBC stores and the remarks from that station I wrote a letter to the Corp. and turned the dial.

    The fact that women didn't get the right to vote until 50 years after black men isn't something I have brought up either. Although I was horrified over the obama campaign smearing Human Rights Heroes like the Clintons with the race card, it was an egg shell issue and I avoided it for the most part.

    BUT over and over I have been forced to abandon TV stations and Newspapers I had once relied on.

    Tell Mr. Cohen and the that TV anchor in the video above what you think.

    This has to stop.  Unacceptable for Race then it should obviously be so for SEX.

    If the women of Tenn want to go and tell him what you think, and you do THINK despite what he thinks, well go boo him for the rest of us and hold his feet to the fire.  

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. (WHBQ FOX13 myfoxmemphis.com)  --  9th District Representative Steve Cohen (D-TN) takes a break from Capitol Hill to hold a series of open forum town hall meetings: Monday, May 12 from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Memphis Botanic Gardens in Hardin Hall, and Saturday, May 17 from 10:00am to noon at the Orange Mound Community Center.

    and thank you to BTD for being a champion of all rights.  This is what we fought for in the 60's and the 70's.  Apparently WE have not come a long way from then, we just put it on the back burner.

    Pissed off women do not vote.  I assure you of that.  And we are the lead demographic in the democratic party.  Keep it up old boys network, we have a big female hammer and she's gonna smash that ceiling for good!

    Thanks (none / 0) (#85)
    by chrisvee on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:15:05 AM EST
    Thanks BTD.  It helps to know that someone is using their platform to fight the good fight.

    Leadership (none / 0) (#86)
    by chrisvee on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:22:21 AM EST
    If Senator Obama is the leader of the Dem Party, then now is the time for him to lead in actuality.  He should be telling the world that it is unacceptable to compare the historic presidential campaign of one of the most powerful woman in the party to actions of a psychotic stalker.

    I'm waiting, Senator.  Earn my vote.

    Retro (none / 0) (#89)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:35:05 PM EST
    This is all so 70s.  I remember it well.  No matter what you said, someone would point at you and scream "Racist!"  Meanwhile, sexism and ageism was rampant.

    The BHO folks like to think that Jeremiah Wright is a dead issue, but honestly, this campaign very much smacks of his tactics of bigotry and divisiveness.

    BHO has indeed learned much from his spiritual mentor.  It's time to revisit that topic.

    Link (none / 0) (#90)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:50:06 PM EST
    It's a right-wing rag, but check this article out.  I really think we do need to revisit the Wright connection.  I think its tactics informs the Obama campaign still in its bigotry: