Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

but he's gotten a lot better as it's moved along.

No he hasn't. MTP looks terrible.

The gas tax issue is such a gimmick and silly of Clinton to push it.  The more one learns, the more idiotic it gets...

Hope and Change are a gimmick. BS speeches in Phillie that are contradicted a week or two later are gimmicks. Proposing to suspend a tax is dollars  cents. Presidencies rise and fall on commodity prices. To think it doesn't matter is evidence of social and economic insulation.

So he spawns this notion that rolling back the Federal taxes on gasoline helps the working class (which it clearly does) and he gets a substance-free benefit because he knows that even if this legislation actually made it through the House and Senate, it's a certain Bush veto.

Now Hillary gets this and so she signs on but then figures that she can pay for this tax loss (and the highway funds hit) by instituting a 'windfall profits tax on the oil companies' - brilliant.

So Obama sees that there isn't any room to improve on it so he just disses it as being the typical stuff that emanates from Washington.

While it never was much of an issue in an of itself, it's rather telling as to where each of the candidates actually stand...

McCain, the panderer for working class votes

Clinton, the policy wonk for trying to build a program for a policy that panders to the working class votes.

Obama, the pragmatist that shows neither the desire to pander to working class votes nor to find a policy that works.

But it is is a message of hope, a message that the public is being heard, and it could have an effect on the consumer confidence index.  That is an assessment mechanism that always baffles economists, because it is a measure of an intangible -- of emotion . . . of hope for the future.

A politician who truly understood how to instill hope would study how FDR did it, instilling hope to revive a discouraged country that then supported his next measures, the New Deal.  FDR's first steps were  dissed by economists, too, as only short-term measures -- and they dissed many of his next ideas, too.  

But by then, the public knew to ignore economists who didn't understand how politics works and go with the guy who understood that -- and them.

Did you see the elderly women tell Obama that she doesn't see anything wrong with it?  Listen to her - not just her words.  But who she is.  Her tone.  Her entire being!

It's psychological - we want to know that someone somewhere is worrying about "us".  It's only $25 a month, but I know what even that would have meant to my 93 year old mother...and my brother, who has had to stop going to our family's week-end place because he can't afford the gas.  Those little amounts ACTUALLY MEAN THINGS TO SOME PEOPLE.

I suspect most of the people here throw $25 dollars away a week on stupid things.  But not every American is so lucky.

Instead, Obama et al, are screaming about things that are important from an intellectual and elite standpoint (yup, I did use that word).

Democrats used to support ideas and options that helped the less blessed among us.

I am very blessed.  I don't need that $25.  I don't need my Michigan tax return (which I felt guilty about receiving).  I am one of the lucky among us.

It's evident that you think all opinion that believes Hillary is a better candidate is ignorant and I wonder what benefit you think you are bringing to TalkLeft by coming here.

Do you think you are doing your chosen candidate any favors? I would submit not.

Do you think you are enlightening the ignorant few who post here? I would submit not.

Do you think your purpose here serves any greater good? I would submit not.

Some may still be able to hold their nose and vote for him if he's the nominee. But keep insulting them and annoying them and inserting trite comments and that may not continue to be true.