Blanchard, Joyner and Nelson to Argue for Hillary and FL Democrats

Update: FL State Senator Arthenia Joyner will argue for Hillary. Bill Nelson is arguing only for the Fla. Democratic Party. Katherine Seelye of the NY Times was mistaken.

Update: Florida Democratic Party Chair Karen Thurman sent out an email saying Bill Nelson will be arguing for the Florida Democratic Party. Is he arguing for both Hillary and the Florida Party? She says she expects the Committee will "restore at least half of our delegates." From the e-mail, which was forwarded to me:

The Party has not made any specific recommendations to the DNC since we submitted our delegate selection plan, but we have consistently noted that a record-breaking 1.75 million Florida Democrats voted in the state-run January 29th primary, which had all the candidates on the ballot.

Tomorrow, the Rules & Bylaws Committee will hear an appeal written by Florida DNC Member Jon Ausman. I have asked our senior U.S. Senator, Bill Nelson, to present on behalf of Florida Democrats

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Yesterday I noted that David Bonior and Robert Wexler would be presenting the arguments tomorrow on behalf of Barack Obama and wondered, since the news article omitted the information, who would be arguing for Hillary. Here's the answer, from the New York Times:

The Clinton campaign also announced that former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard would be arguing the Clinton case on behalf of Michigan at the committee meeting. Senator Bill Nelson will be arguing for the Clinton campaign on behalf of Florida.

The Times also says that no matter what the Committee does tomorrow, Barack Obama won't reach the magic pledged delegate number. Nor will he after the June 3 primary. He needs superdelegates to get there.

If the DNC, as now widely expected, does some sort of 50% compromise, the 2026 number changes. It may not reach the 2210 number the Clinton campaign is arguing for, but it rises substantially:[More...]

Q. O.K., if the old magic number for reaching the nomination was 2,026, and the R&B committee decides to seat half these delegates, what’s the most likely new magic threshold?

A: Some guesstimates predict the figure will be, give or take a hundred more, maybe 2,110 or 2,131, depending on what the committee decides. (MSNBC’s First Read has several scenarios.)

Q: Without these states, Senator Obama is about 40-some delegates away from the 2,026 number. Will Mr. Obama reach either threshold once Puerto Rico (55 delegates), South Dakota (15) and Montana (16) conclude the Democratic contests?

A: No. However well he does, he can’t reach the magic number without an assist from some superdelegates, largely because Puerto Rico is likely to go overwhelmingly for her. He needs fewer superdelegates than she needs, but he still needs some. One scenario is that after the voting ends June 3, a passel of superdelegates comes out at once and puts Mr. Obama over the top.

In other words, barring an deluge of the 200 or so still uncommitted superdelegates coming out for Obama before the final primary, we have a race at least until June 3.

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    We (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by tek on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:25:04 PM EST
    move to FL next week.  Never vote for Wexler.

    Maybe you should find out a little more (3.00 / 0) (#17)
    by independent voter on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:51:52 PM EST
    about Wexler before making such a blanket statement. Things are not always so clear cut.
    check out this website
    He is a good man, who just happens to support a candidate that you do not support.

    Wexler (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:01:49 PM EST
    Wexler is a good guy.  I've not heard him diss HRC has other "official" DNC'ers have done.  Instead of dissing the opponent he has tried to make the case for Obama.  

    I'm a fan of Wexler's because he has been an open and strong advocate of impeaching Bush/Cheney.  But, the Queen Bee wasn't having any of it.

    Although I have appreciated Wexler for his politics, his demeanor is somewhat uninspiring and like Sebelius he puts me to sleep when he's on TV.  But, he's a good guy. He just happens to be supporting the wrong candidate, in my view.


    support Obama, fine... (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by p lukasiak on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:21:32 PM EST
    be the spokescritter for Obama's indefensible behavior in Florida?  Sorry, that turns you into a slimebag.

    Wexler sold his soul.  


    Every citizen (none / 0) (#65)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:37:52 PM EST
    deserves the support of an attorney.

    I don't hold this against Wexler.  I actually like Wexler.  He has fought the good fight and I haven't heard of him doing anything moronic (like Pelosi, Kerry and others have done).


    so, let him hire an attorney... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by p lukasiak on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:13:54 PM EST
    if he thinks he needs one.

    Wexler isn't his client.  

    The people of 19th district are his "client" -- and he's going to argue against their interests. Broward County went for Clinton over Obama by 24 points.  Palm Beach County went Clinton by 32 points.  And Wexler is going to advocate against the will of the VAST majority of the Democratic voters in his district.  If he was acting as an attorney, he'd be disbarred for that.

    he's slime.


    Paul (none / 0) (#86)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:16:16 PM EST
    I have to agree with Teresa, everyone deserves an attorney to plead their case even someone I dislike and whom I believe wants to be crowned king by disenfranchising voters.  But, everyone deserves their day in "court".

    All I'm saying is that I happen to agree with Wexler's politics and his voting record and especially his passionate advocacy for impeaching Bush/Cheney.  

    I don't know if he sold his soul because I don't know if we all have one to begin with.  I don't know if he sold anything.  He may well have for all I know.  He also may just be one of those who have fallen for the Elmer Gantry sham that is Obama. I don't get it and many of us don't get it but I guess I can separate someone's voting record that has done some good for people from his defending the indefensible when it comes to disenfranchising people.  

    But, I cannot call him a bad guy for being an attorney for Obama even if I think the cause he is defending is bankrupt.  

    I just hope HRC's attorney's "win" (I don't know the proper term to use here because they are not pleading their case in front of a court of law just the DNC) because her cause is the "higher ground" cause, the worthy cause, that promotes what the party stands for, democracy with a small d, which I will always passionately defend and stand by.


    Well (none / 0) (#30)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:03:04 PM EST
    to be perfectly honest, I have a problem with his admitted cocaine use.

    I wonder if Wexler (5.00 / 0) (#47)
    by magisterludi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:27:36 PM EST
    has forgiven Colbert that little stunt? I could not believe a pol could be that easy a mark.

    Really? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:18:33 PM EST
    I haven't heard that but if he did openly admit to taking cocaine and isn't taking it any longer I don't see the problem unless it affected his decision making when voting. And, unless he was forced to admit to taking it, I guess I'm not going to hold it against him.  I've tried to learn from my own foolish mistakes in life to be more forgiving with people, you know. I always think "there but for the grace of a higher power go I" and all that.  But, I still think he's a good guy when it comes to his politics and votes, even though I disagree with him passionately about Obama.

    It's true (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:24:27 PM EST
    Here is Wexler on camera admitting to a fondness for cocaine and prostitutes.

    Thanks for the Link, Steve (none / 0) (#74)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:48:17 PM EST
    I watched that and maybe it's me but I thought that was a goof that Wexler was playing along with Colbert as Colbert has done that with others getting them to say things that are off the wall and not true.  Not to take them literally.  It looked to me like Wexler was trying to be cool playing along with Colbert.  

    I don't know I just think this is a goof.  Has anyone else seen that Colbert video?  

    Honestly, my beef with Wexler is that he's supporting Obama, who is not in my view qualified to be POTUS now, not at a time in our history when so much is at stake and when we have someone like HRC who is the right person right now for the job.  I truly feel she would be one of our best President's right up there with FDR. So, I think Wexler is way off the mark when it comes to Obama.  I just think the Colbert stuff is a goof but that's how I'm seeing it and that's me. ;)


    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:57:43 PM EST
    I suppose you could be right that it's a parody.  Even though it was on the Colbert Report, the possibility had never occurred to me before.

    I guess some people are just naturally bad at detecting sarcasm.  You know?


    Hey Steve, not to worry, it took me a long time (none / 0) (#94)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:42:30 PM EST
    to get my sarcasm/satire/parody radar in place and I'm still fine tuning it. You have to see it on it's off days.  lol  :) ;)

    Queen Nancy (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by cmugirl on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:27:20 PM EST
    is cracking the whip behind the scenes.  Just you watch.

    She will probably injure herself in the process (5.00 / 0) (#5)
    by cymro on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:32:51 PM EST
    ... considering how little skill she seems to have in that activity.

    Now that was funny....I really think she is not (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:41:27 PM EST
    as bullet-proof as she thinks she is.  After the first 100 days as speaker...no sizzle, just fizzle.

    Sure wished she cracked that whip (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Valhalla on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:14:59 PM EST
    in favor of some of the Democratic agenda in the past two years, instead of waiting around and trying to swing an election against the will of half the party with it.

    Sigh.  I had such high hopes in 2006 after the elections.


    Having been so proud of Pelosi's ascent (5.00 / 6) (#13)
    by nulee on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:42:57 PM EST
    to the Speaker - I have been aghast at her behavior in this election - how can she be so singularly clueless and unsupportive of a fellow female high ranking Democrat?

    I was proud of her too (5.00 / 7) (#27)
    by Grace on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:59:04 PM EST
    and now I am just so tired of hearing her name mentioned as it relates to the Democratic party nominee for President.  

    Between her and Howard Dean, I don't know who is worse.  They both seem to be totally tone deaf as to what is going on within the party.  It's NOT Hillary causing the divisivness within the party, it's the party ITSELF!  Not letting this go to the Convention is a huge mistake!

    They talk about "backroom deals" and yet what are they doing?  Trying to twist arms in the backroom!  

    Give us transparency!  Let this thing play out the way it should!    


    Uh, no... (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by masslib on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:26:50 PM EST
    But this kind of blatant bias is unprecedented for a Speaker of the House.  Further, I'll be the first to admit the only reason I supported her for Speaker of the House was because I thought it would be good for women.  If I had known that she would publically ridicule and criticize Clinton, tell super delegates how to vote, pre-empt the nomination process in favor of Obama, and sit by silently by while Hillary faced unprecedented misogny, I would NEVER have supported her in such a position.

    Ha! (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:30:49 PM EST
    Quite the contrary, actually.

    Nancy's been a disappointment, but Washington loves her.

    That's all that counts, right?

    Too bad we seem to be giving up the things that matter most: accountability, credibility, and qualified employees.

    Because that's what these people are: employees.

    I thought the dems would surely show that these things matter after watching the ineptitude of the Bush administration.

    Not feeling too good about the prospects right now.


    No, and nobody suggested that either ... (2.00 / 0) (#53)
    by cymro on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:30:35 PM EST
    ... so why are you rebutting it? That's typical troll behavior.

    Exactly -- but you posted ... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by cymro on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:59:04 PM EST
    Do you expect her to support Clinton simply because of being a "fellow female"?

    ... when nobody had argued that position.

    Also, because of her position in the party, she ought to be wise enough not to interfere in an election in which half of all voters support each candidate. If she had stayed out of it, she could have avoided alienating half her party. By interfering, she has immediately lost her credibility with half of her constituents.

    What smart politician does that? Even George Bush had the common sense not to come out in favor of any of the Republican candidates before McCain won the nomination.


    Your response ... (none / 0) (#103)
    by cymro on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:15:48 PM EST
    She has as much right as anyone else to have a preference

    ... demonstrates that you do not understand what you read, and you do not understand much about either leadership or politics.

    First I did not say anything about her right to have a preference, my point was that she should not be using her leadership in the party to influence the outcome of a hotly contested election in which half of the electorate disagree with her preference.

    Second, if you can't see why the highest ranking elected official in the party should remain neutral in the interests of party unity, I am not going to waste any words explaining, since my previous post already did that.


    I can see that ... (none / 0) (#105)
    by cymro on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:41:02 PM EST
    ... you do not understand. One day maybe you will.

    Jealousy n/t (none / 0) (#36)
    by Eleanor A on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:19:50 PM EST
    In my opinion (none / 0) (#67)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:39:04 PM EST
    Pelosi is treating her like crap.  What this person is saying, is should Pelosi be treating women like crap?

    Should anyone, for that matter.


    Biggest Disapointment (5.00 / 9) (#19)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:54:09 PM EST
    She's been one of the biggest disappiontments for me.  When she took impeachment off the table and seemed to cower before Bush/Cheney along with Reed on Iraq, that did it for me.  She's no different than any other pol who is overly ambitious wanting to maintain her power at whatever cost and will go along to get along.  

    Although she hasn't come out and said she is not supporting HRC, one has to be pretty dense not to see by all of her actions and words that she's no friend of Hillary's.  Why?  I cannot imagine her only reason for not supporting HRC is because she voted for a bill that eventually got us into Iraq.  I mean, Pelosi wanted Murtha to be House Leader and Murtha was one of the first to speak out against the War and he supports HRC because of her plan to get us out of it.  So, what other reason could Pelosi have for supporting Obama.  Is it that she feels she can control him or rather sway him with her agenda more than she can HRC?  Or is it because she cannot stand there being an even stronger woman than herself, one with backbone and courage and scary smarts in power and even more powerful than she?  What is it?

    Her bias for Obama has been stunning in it's arrogance with public pronouncements which favored him without saying so outright.  Her sticking her nose where it doesn't belong and isn't wanted in trying to stop the race for the Dem nom has been disturbing and eye-opening.  A Dem who doesn't want to count all the votes.  Quite a lot of that going around in the party nowadays.  

    And, our democracy has gotten weaker since that sucker punch it took in 2000 and it just keeps getting worse with every passing day.

    It's a good thing we have places to vent like here in addition to the family dinner table.  I feel somewhat numb after these past 15 months.


    Thank you... well said and numb is the word. (5.00 / 0) (#25)
    by mogal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:58:44 PM EST
    why pelosi does it... (5.00 / 6) (#52)
    by p lukasiak on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:30:24 PM EST
    while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that she is jealously guarding her position as the (second) most powerful woman in the world (except for Oprah), I'm certain that he main reason is because Obama will have no agenda.  There will be no pressure on her (and Reid) to get a President Obama's agenda passed -- he might submit a bill, but that's where his involvement will end, and Pelosi (and Reid) will be in complete control of how it finally turns out.

    Clinton, on the other hand, will make demands on Pelosi and Reid; she'll have an agenda, and expect as Party Leader that the Democratic Congressional Leadership will push the Clinton agenda.

    And so what if Obama loses -- she and Reid still get to set the Congressional agenda.... except that I don't think when she made the deal she realized Obama's full potential to be a complete and utter disaster for the Democratic Party, and that there will be lots of Congressional districts that the Dems lose because the Democratic candidate has to support Obama....


    thank you, p lusiak (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by sancho on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:44:33 PM EST
    that's my read too. glad to see someone else say it.

    The most logical (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:35:37 PM EST
    reason, Paul.  I agree.  HRC is too smart, independent and has political principles whereas Obama is all things to all people with no political convictions or passions to call his own except his passion for power.  I wonder though if the unthinkable happens and he surpises them and refuses to be their puppet.  We've all seen him lash out (in that passive-aggressive way he has: this was a very apt description which I'm borrowing from Marc Rubin who is a guest poster  over at Taylor Marsh) when things don't go his way.  So, I'm not sure what Pelosi and Reid think they may be getting with Obama they will get.  But, I do believe you are spot on with the reason why they are in his corner.  

    Speaker Polisi (1.00 / 3) (#46)
    by 1jane on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:27:24 PM EST
    is one of the best political players the Democratic Party has ever seen. She understands when to activate the Republican base and when not to do so. She has outsmarted and out played the Republicans but does it quietly and without fanfare. Just as she knows the most electable candidate for the Democrats is the one she will back because it brings down more GOP House members. The bigger picture is to win as many Democratic contests as possible so we can quickly walk back some of the disgusting legislation passed by the majority Republican Congress. We'll have the spectacle of angry women of a certain age burned into our brains tomorrow, like thats going to help future women candidates for any elected office.



    Heh (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:34:41 PM EST
    You sound like the people who told the blacks to simmer down in the 60s because all those angry black people in the streets would work to the detriment of the civil rights movement.

    The notion that it holds back the cause of women for women to protest is incredibly self-defeating.


    Yes. As far as I know, we still have the (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by derridog on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:37:30 PM EST
    right to free assembly in this country, unless Bush has issued a signing statement against that.

    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:42:00 PM EST
    Congress' approval rating has only gone down under Pelosi.

    Dems were given a mandate to end the war.  Pelosi has done nothing toward that end.

    Just because Pelosi is adversarial toward Hillary, it doesn't make her a good pol....except to you, maybe.


    1jane, 1jane,1jane (sigh) (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by magisterludi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:44:20 PM EST
    The GOP guys were and are dying like flies because of the crap they've pulled as the "party of ideas" ever since Reagan. Obama has nothing to do with the shape they're in, they are low-hanging fruit at this point.

    Oh, and I hope you reread your comment in about 30 years and regret the dismissive tone as youthful arrogance when you spoke of "women of a certain age".


    I was about to go off on her for that... (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by p lukasiak on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:20:41 PM EST
    Oh, and I hope you reread your comment in about 30 years and regret the dismissive tone as youthful arrogance when you spoke of "women of a certain age".

    what do you expect from someone who thinks that Obamagirl is a fine role model for women?

    Misogyny -- its not just for men anymore!


    Maybe she should change jobs? (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by cymro on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:44:37 PM EST
    She has outsmarted and out played the Republicans but does it quietly and without fanfare.

    Amazing! Who knew? She's been so thoroughly successful at this quiet strategy that she has not only escaped any fanfare, she has hidden these successes altogether. It's obvious that she really would be better suited to some kind of clandestine government department the Secret Service, the CIA, or NSA.


    Or (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:12:32 PM EST
    maybe one of the big telecoms that spy on citizens for the Secret Service, the NSA, the CIA, or who ever else is spying on us.

    One thing she and Steny Hoyer and Jello Jay Rockefeller have been good at is allowing the telecon immunity plot to keep coming back again and again and again. And now Good Ol Steny is conspiring with Kit Bond to bring those poor misunderstood folks spying on us for the government the immunity they've had OUR elected officials trying so hard to give them for so long!


    Good point. Since she like to work in secret, (none / 0) (#91)
    by cymro on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:25:43 PM EST
    ... herself, it explains her sympathetic attitude to telecom immunity. Even if she isn't personally implicated in some way, she can imagine herself in a similar situation.

    thank you (none / 0) (#28)
    by bjorn on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:59:18 PM EST
    well at least the SDs are consistent (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Josey on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:33:55 PM EST
    everytime there's negative news about Obama or another Obama-preacher in the pulpit demonizing Hillary - the SDs roll out for him.
    "Ouch Kerry! you're hurting my arm."  BAWAAAA!
    "OK, OK - lemme go - I'll endorse Obama."

    "Nancy, what do you mean 'no earmarks for my district next year'??"
    "Hmm...you know, I've been thinking about endorsing Obama."


    But they aren't coming out in droves...remember (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:42:32 PM EST
    when they were saying awhile back...50 SD's were going to be announced for obama.  Where did they go?

    Really...nothing matters til the convention.


    I hate to crush your theory (none / 0) (#20)
    by independent voter on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:54:09 PM EST
    but 63 SDs have come out for Obama since May 6th.

    Since then (early March) - (none / 0) (#24)
    by minordomo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:56:26 PM EST
    - Obama has had a net gain of about 75-80 superdelegates.

    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:04:30 PM EST
    The claim was that they would endorse within a week, not that at some point over the ensuing months the total would reach 50.

    It was obviously false information designed to create a feeling of inevitability right before the Ohio and Texas primaries.  Just people playing politics.


    I know, and Obama denied it at the time (2.00 / 0) (#33)
    by minordomo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:09:59 PM EST
    But nevertheless superdelegates continue to trend heavily to Obama, about 3 or 4 to 1. Keep in mind that's a 75-80 net gain, meaning the actual number of superdelegates he won is even higher.

    It was obviously false information designed to create a feeling of inevitability right before the Ohio and Texas primaries.

    It can just as easily have been misinformation by Obama's opponents to mess with expectations. And seeing as we don't know, we don't know.


    spin if you must minordomo....it was posted all (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:20:19 PM EST
    over 50 delegates ready to come out for obama...all at one time, not in dribs and drabs.

    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:27:42 PM EST
    You think Tom Brokaw didn't know whether he was getting information from Obama's campaign or his opponents?

    It's pathetic to argue that right before the Ohio and Texas primaries, Hillary's campaign would have created this rumor - which obviously made things look better for Obama in the short term - just so after the election, they could somehow score a point in terms of expectation.  Frankly, you insult everyone's intelligence by making that argument.


    You sir, are correct... (none / 0) (#39)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:21:23 PM EST
    you sir, are correct was in response to STeve (none / 0) (#41)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:21:53 PM EST
    Looks like it. (none / 0) (#26)
    by minordomo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:58:58 PM EST
    Impressed by Her (none / 0) (#96)
    by Spike on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:56:03 PM EST
    Tip O'Neill was Speaker when I came to DC. I remember when Pelosi arrived in town as a freshman rep. I've  been continually impressed by her growth as a leader. She's the most effective and powerful speaker I've seen in my 30 years in DC.

    To me the biggest (5.00 / 8) (#3)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:31:17 PM EST
    diversion tomorrow will be Donna Brazile.  I bet she will enjoy the likes of Senator Nelson making his case on behalf of Floridians.

    If I were Senator Nelson, after I made my legal points and case for recognizing FL, I would close with, "Ms. Brazile, you have stated that you want to send my state a message.  As you are here before me, and a large segment of FL is watching this, would you please convey that message so we will know exactly what you are talking about?"

    She would crumble in a heartbeat.

    Well, it's all about the theatrics and (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by MarkL on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:33:13 PM EST
    public impression. I like BTD's legal arguments, but but I would be surprised if the decision tomorrow is determined by legal requirements.

    the problem is... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by p lukasiak on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:33:25 PM EST
    that I don't see anyone on the pro-seating side that is capable of making the kind of good 'theatrical' argument tomorrow needs.  

    We need fire and brimstone... and we're going to get 'civil discussion'.


    Civil discussion (none / 0) (#85)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:15:05 PM EST
    that has all ready been decided upon beforehand I expect. Tomorrow is just a circus for the masses and the pin-headed press.

    Does that mean (none / 0) (#90)
    by Grace on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:21:33 PM EST
    Russert and Tweety will be there?  

    Gov. Blanchard (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:32:49 PM EST
    an old friend of the family!

    When he narrowly lost reelection in a big upset, the local paper in Lansing got caught running a "Dewey Defeats Truman" type headline because everyone was so confident Blanchard would win.

    I used to work for the Michigan Parole Board back in those days.  Something that may annoy Jeralyn, in eight years as governor, he never pardoned a single convict and commuted a mere six sentences - and most of those were as a lame duck.  I like the guy, but it's kinda sad to see Democrats act like that for fear of being called soft on crime.

    Hope (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Brookhaven on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:35:48 PM EST
    In other words, barring an deluge of the 200 or so still uncommitted superdelegates coming out for Obama before the final primary, we have a race at least until June 3.

    I just hope with all that has gone on, that the SD's wake the hell up and see how HRC is the stronger candidate to run against McCain.  I'm not one of those HRC supporters who can vote for McCain.  I'm just hoping the SD's wake the hell up now and get some of HRC's backbone and support her before it's too late.

    I hate it that we are where we are right now.  I never in a million years thought Obama would be in serious contention.  Why haven't more people seen through this guy?  I'm not talking about the media (new and old) because they are part of the problem now in our worsening democracy.  

    I'm holding out hope that things will go HRC's way meaning the democratic way with a small d, tomorrow.  

    Jeralyn, I posted this in open (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by bjorn on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:36:06 PM EST
    thread but seems relevant here. Chuck Todd thinks a bunch of SDs will come out before MT and SD.  He said Obama does not want to win on a press release on SDs.  He wants the MT and SD contests to put him over the magic number (whatever it turns out to be).  To do that, he needs SDs to come out Saturday or after PR on Sunday, Monday...he said Pelosi controls significant numbers of SDs and she is helping to orchestrate this...

    Well, if she does this, the party will (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by derridog on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:08:15 PM EST
    truly be split.  I don't know how they are going to manage without us old women sending them money, "manning" the phones and canvassing.  I've been a Dem for forty years but I have no interest in helping a party that is no different from the Rethugs.  

    I know I'm not alone, because every time the DNC calls me, I tell them that I'll be happy to send them money if they quit overtly favoring one candidate over the other and if they seat the MI and FL delegates. The first time this happened, the woman on the phone said that she heard that a lot.   The last time, the guy just sighed and said, "ok, ok" and hung up.  

    I gather they hear this a lot. The question is: why don't they care?


    because (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:18:31 PM EST
    they don't believe it. They think that when push comes to shove we will all be "good little dems" and get in line. Some will do just that. Many will not. But nothing any of us say at this time will convince them otherwise. They're attitude is "where can they go". They just may find out come November.

    Historically, they're right, because most of the (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by DeborahNC on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:11:32 PM EST
    time people have gotten in line; but, this year is different. I think that they are underestimating the extent and depth of our grievances. To me, this is personal, since it reminds me of all of the times I was expected to "accept a situation."

    Well, guess what? I don't have to accept this type of thing anymore, and I've witnessed other women express a similar message. Many of them are the 50+ y.o. demographic, and are ready to say, "ENOUGH!!"

    If enough of us reject the "falling in line" notion, they'll get the message. But, it really does have to be a massive effort, otherwise it won't be signifcant to them.

    I won't vote for McCain, but I will leave the top of the ticket blank, and plan to change my registration status. I also know that lots of people will resent my action, but over the years I seen that minor efforts are just not effective. And, I'm really tired of the Democratic Party's machinations.


    I think they believe (none / 0) (#92)
    by Grace on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:27:26 PM EST
    we're a minority too.  They are certain that the majority is going to support the "Chosen One."  

    Frankly, I'm tired of being taken for granted.  

    If nothing else, maybe they'll learn that women feel the "taken for granted" thing more than any other demographic because, after all, what demographic has been taken for granted for years and years and years?  


    Does anyone know what is motivating Nancy? (none / 0) (#14)
    by mogal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:43:10 PM EST
    Who is pulling the strings?

    All I know is that I have (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by bjorn on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:44:23 PM EST
    never liked her.  Talk about elitist, she is the queen of it!!

    Well, if she thought that Hillary (none / 0) (#76)
    by derridog on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:49:32 PM EST
    would be the better President, would you want her putting the party's thumb on the scale for her?  Would you want her to say that a unity ticket can't happen?  Would you want her talking about taking things in her own hands and "stopping" the democratic primary process because she doesn't like even the remotest  possibility it might not go for her favored candidate?

    He suits her purpose. (none / 0) (#77)
    by magisterludi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:51:15 PM EST
    He's a tool? (none / 0) (#97)
    by Grace on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:05:29 PM EST
    That's a huge amount of SDs (none / 0) (#32)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:05:45 PM EST
    He's at 1983.  If you cut FL in half that means the number is 2131.  If he does as he projected (15 loss in PR, 15 win in SD and 11 win in MT) he would gain 41.  I don't expect him to get 41.. but let's go with that.... that means he has 108 SDs in his pocket?  Does Pelosi really have that many SDs?  

    If she has that many she can drag around by the nose, why the he!! aren't they getting anything done?!

    My bad news projection... Clinton might be backing down because they have told her they would put all of the power and money of the party behind a challenger when she runs for reelection in NY.  I'm just hoping she has a lot of good friends that would not let that happen.


    re-election in NY? (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ccpup on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:29:23 PM EST
    She just won by a landslide in 2006 and isn't up until 2012.  That's a few years away ... an eternity and a half in politics.

    I think the "SDs in the pocket" is pure bloviating and bluster.  If that were the case, they'd release them, put the period to the Nominee Sentence and focus on the General.

    What we have here are SDs who INDICATED at some point in the past that they may support Barack, but are now having second (and third) thoughts and aren't running to pick up the phone when Axelrod/Pelosi/Brazile call ... for the fourteenth time that day.  They're sitting back to see if he can repeat any of that February "Magic" in any of the States Dems need.  And, so far, he's failed miserably.  Don't think the SDs haven't noticed that or the change in momentum towards Hillary.

    It's all about perception, but that doesn't mean these SDs are firmly in his pocket.  Far from it.


    I hope you're right. I'd like a little hope. But (none / 0) (#78)
    by derridog on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:54:12 PM EST
    I keep thinking that if it were all in the bag for him, Pelosi wouldn't be so agitated and threatening to stop the process.

    I wish someone on this blog had some inside information or could point us to it.


    the fact that Pelosi is agitated (none / 0) (#95)
    by ccpup on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:54:47 PM EST
    should tell you that she (and Brazile and Dean and all the others doing backstrokes in the Kool-Aid kiddie pool) are keenly aware the Nomination is in real danger of slipping away if the SDs aren't bullied into backing Barack STAT!

    His Electoral weakness, his falling poll numbers, the almost daily gaffes and fairly steady stream of Trinity Church "unity" are all conspiring to make the General a walking nightmare for the Dems if they continue skipping down this boneheaded Obama Path.


    I know, but the national polls have him way ahead (none / 0) (#102)
    by derridog on Fri May 30, 2008 at 08:57:20 PM EST
    of her with the Democrats (why  are we so stupid?).  I'm afraid the Superdelegates will just be a sample of that larger whole and that most of them will have drunk the koolaid.

    On the other hand, they've been telling us for months that it's going to be over any minute and Hillary is out. Maybe this is just another bluff.  

    I hope so, but fear not.


    i am hoping the threat (3.00 / 1) (#34)
    by bjorn on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:12:34 PM EST
    thing is not there...for one thing, I think the DNC and Pelosi in particular keep forgetting how many votes Clinton has and how popular she is in some circles. It would not be easy to defeat her in NYC, imo.  However, I am hoping it is just talk about the SDs all coming out this weekend. I guess I won't be surprised either way.

    Hmmm (5.00 / 0) (#51)
    by Eleanor A on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:29:55 PM EST
    Anyone know if this link is being updated?  It appears to be, based on my own state, but I haven't been tracking this so closely...

    Only 52 of the undeclared SDs are House members.  And as I look at that list, I see many folks from purple districts who may not want to go on record for Obama until they're sure they have cover.

    Many of the others appear to be elected DNC members, and as I look at that list, there are least a handful I'm 100% sure are Hillary's....


    You forgot... (2.00 / 0) (#58)
    by SpinDoctor on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:33:19 PM EST
    ...to give him 50% of the Florida delegates.

    Why would he get (none / 0) (#69)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:43:15 PM EST
    50% of the Florida delegates?

    They aren't agreeing to a 50/50 split.


    My bad (none / 0) (#75)
    by SpinDoctor on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:48:21 PM EST
    I meant 50% of his allocated delegates, not 50% of the total to be awarded.

    Your projection? (none / 0) (#61)
    by pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:35:22 PM EST
    Where do you come up with this stuff?

    Please.  No projections.


    I'm Glad That SDs (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by BDB on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:46:18 PM EST
    will have to put Obama over the top.  Make them go on record once and for all.  No hiding in the shadows trying to force Clinton out.  Stand up and be counted.  Are you men and women or are you democrats?

    Agreed (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by miriam on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:32:26 PM EST
    And we will all know who they are.  

    Great choice of Arthenia Joyner (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by chancellor on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:27:53 PM EST
    Apparently she is a known civil rights activist, in addition to being an attorney since 1968 and, more recently, a member of the FL legislature. According to a Tampa newspaper, she and Hillary are longtime friends. I would love to be in the room as she stares down Brazile while making Hillary's case!

    I would love to witness a stare-down on Brazile by (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by DeborahNC on Fri May 30, 2008 at 07:56:41 PM EST
    Joyner or anyone else who is willing to blister her bluster! It would be a sight to behold.

    I think they are wrong (none / 0) (#12)
    by Step Beyond on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:42:41 PM EST
    Nelson is speaking for the state Dem party. I've been reading that for over a week.

    From Thurman letter:

    Tomorrow, the Rules & Bylaws Committee will hear an appeal written by Florida DNC Member Jon Ausman. I have asked our senior U.S. Senator, Bill Nelson, to present on behalf of Florida Democrats. Several of our Congressional and DNC members will also be there to show their support. You can watch it live on C-SPAN, CNN or MSNBC beginning at 9:30 AM.

    Rep. Arthenia Joyner is speaking for the Clinton campaign

    Updates (none / 0) (#21)
    by Step Beyond on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:54:16 PM EST
    I see the story was updated. But no he is not arguing for Clinton and the state party. Their positions are the same so the lazy media just assumes that. Its kind of the way the assume all the protesters must be Clinton supporters.

    Naked Politics

    In this corner, representing Barack Obama's campaign, Boca Dem. Rep. Robert Wexler. For Hillary Clinton, Tampa state Sen. Arthenia Joyner. For the state Democratic party, Sen. Bill Nelson. And for DNC member Jon Ausman, who filed the appeal the DNC will take up, its Ausman, along with Clinton supporter and former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez and Janee Murphy, an Obama supporter from Tampa.

    That same lineup has appeared in every Florida paper I have checked. The only variance is that The Buzz also talks about former Senator Graham attending.


    you are correct (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:54:46 PM EST
    I reported this in my live blog.

    How do you think the remaining SD will split? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Saul on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:54:29 PM EST
    Anybody got some statistics to see which side they will choose.

    Reeeekkksss of Florida 2000 (none / 0) (#87)
    by DWCG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:18:10 PM EST
    Deja vu all over again.

    Bush proclaiming victory, while Gore only asks for recounts in select counties, all the while the true intent of the GOT DAMN VOTERS isn't even on anyone's damn mind or mouths.

    You unpatriotic undemocratic smucks: SEAT THE DELEGATES AS THE PEOPLE VOTED!!!!!!!

    Where's the God-blessed love for DEMOCRACY in this fricking country?

    Let me stop, before I go Jeramiah Wright on ya...