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Important PR Figure Supports Hillary

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:29:25 PM EST
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No, I am not talking about Ricky Martin, I am talking about Jose Alfredo Hernandez Mayoral, the son of the still popular ex-Commonwealth Governor Rafael Hernandez Colon, who has endorsed Barack Obama. This is significant in my estimation, because after the current Commonwealth Governor Acevedo Vila, an Obama supporter, loses his reelection bid badly in November, Hernandez Mayoral will become the leader of the Commonwealth Party I predict. Hernandez Mayoral said:

[T]he Puerto Rican people are clear that Clinton's proposals on the economy, heath care, the environment and against crime are superior to her rival's.

An interesting development to me at least.

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    Great. Should help her (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by masslib on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:31:25 PM EST
    build on her popular vote lead.

    Interesting... (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by madamab on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:33:55 PM EST
    one thing about this extended primary is how much I'm learning about the process with all the states, commonwealths and Guam. ;-)

    And, if all goes as we are hoping (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:57:03 PM EST
    the process will be completely different in 2012.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#33)
    by mattt on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:06:04 PM EST
    We've learned about how many things need to change.

    I think Obama's navigation of the primary/caucus process bodes well for his ability to be effective in office.  But the calendar is a fiasco and the caucus system suspect.  Confidence in the legitimacy of the process is essential.

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    huh? (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Josey on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:31:31 PM EST
    >>>I think Obama's navigation of the primary/caucus process bodes well for his ability to be effective in office

    By gaming the system and scheming with other candidates reflects Obama's effectiveness?
    No thanks. We already have a president with similar character.


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    No, (1.00 / 0) (#47)
    by mattt on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:52:32 PM EST
    by working cleverly within the rules to win a greater number of delegates.  Clinton may be a tough customer with a heckuva fastball, but Obama wins by pitching to the corners and changing speeds.  And he can bring the gas, too. (Sorry, baseball on the radio)

    Gaming and scheming?  The single most undemocratic thing that's happened in this primary (so far) is Clinton's using her influence to line up about a hundred superdelegates before the contest even started, and they (and their constituents) had a chance to consider the competition.  Take away those early endorsements, and see how close this race is.

    Of course, she was playing by the rules too.  Rules that need to change.

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    Obama conspiring and scheming (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Josey on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:06:47 PM EST
    Iowa Independent - Oct. 11, 2007

    Five individuals connected to five different campaigns have confirmed -- but only under condition of anonymity -- that the situation that developed in connection with the Michigan ballot is not at all as it appears on the surface. The campaign for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, arguably fearing a poor showing in Michigan, reached out to the others with a desire of leaving New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as the only candidate on the ballot. The hope was that such a move would provide one more political obstacle for the Clinton campaign to overcome in Iowa.


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    Ah, the anonymous confirmation... (none / 0) (#55)
    by mattt on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:55:05 PM EST
    let's stipulate for purposes of this point this is completely true.  You do realize this is a political contest, yes?  Your complaint sounds like a batter crying foul because a pitcher threw a curveball.

    Hillary made her own calculation to stay in the MI race, after pledging not to "participate."

    I hope Obama pitches lots of curveballs at McCain and GOPers in Congress.

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    I'm glad Hillary stayed on the MI ballot (none / 0) (#59)
    by Josey on Thu May 29, 2008 at 08:27:35 PM EST
    and Kos was too, at the time.
    There were no rules stating candidates couldn't be on the ballot.
    btw - Obama conspiring with other candidates is available from other sources as well.


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    Not at all anonymous (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Thu May 29, 2008 at 08:43:28 PM EST
    Read, then type.  Read the source at the top -- and go google for it, if you doubt it, before dissing the commenter.  You're just crying, period.

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    You've got (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:38:44 PM EST
    to be kidding? Have you seen the results in states that have a primary and a caucus? We aren't having a national caucus in Nov. btw.

    Sheesh. Get new talking points.

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    mattt....posting obama talking point #345 (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:20:19 PM EST
    puhleeze...could you be anymore transparent?

    Another commenter on IGNORE.

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    You do understand... (none / 0) (#60)
    by ineedalife on Thu May 29, 2008 at 08:35:28 PM EST
    that, by definition, every elected President in history was the best campaigner that cycle? Would you say they were all effective in office?

    President Bush is perhaps the best campaigner in the history of the country. He played the rules and won with fewer popular votes. He got re-elected in a year when even a ham sandwich was supposed to be able to beat him and he received more votes than anyone in history doing it.  Yet would you say he is a good president?

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    PR is all about politics....like a sport to them (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:40:30 PM EST
    and they take it seriously.  I suspect they expect the media to take them seriously too and not try to write them off.  I honestly believe it is going to be a blowout for Hillary in PR.  The fact that the economy is a hugely important subject for them and because Hillary is tops on this issue, I believe that supports my argument for a blowout.  As usual, we just have to wait and see.

    Just a quick observation (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by ahazydelirium on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:49:17 PM EST
    Recently, it has seemed to me that the people endorsing Sen. Obama cite vague reasons revolving around Party unity. The glaring omissions in these endorsements are usually personal investment in the candidacy and an issue-oriented rationale. Quite the opposite holds true for Hillary. I cannot think of a recent endorsement in which the person spoke of anything except policy.

    This is yet another example.

    Excellent observation. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by madamab on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:50:57 PM EST


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    Noticed that also. Yesterday's (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by nycstray on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:54:32 PM EST
    and today's announcements both stressed the issues as an endorsement for her. Very straight forward. Obama's, not so much. But then again, they go around saying their policies are similar and he brings "inspiration!" and other vague comments.

    So frustrating.

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    that almost makes MY head explode (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by MarkL on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:50:42 PM EST


    The evil one? (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:53:00 PM EST
    endorsing Obama?

    heh...

    His daughter threw a huge fundraiser for (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:00:52 PM EST
    Obama in London a couple months ago.

    Obama is the second coming of GWB, so maybe Rupert would be fine with him in the puppet theater.

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    Another offspring who wants his/her (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by zfran on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:02:05 PM EST
    parent to endorse Obama. I think the children, not the grown ups are in charge!!

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    o/t he said he's "thinking about (none / 0) (#16)
    by zfran on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:54:08 PM EST
    it" last I heard.

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    Whoa, whoa, whoa (none / 0) (#54)
    by kenoshaMarge on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:48:39 PM EST
    or woe if you prefer. I thought Senator Clinton was evil because Rupert Murdoch said something nice about her. Wasn't that supposed to be a prime example of how evil she was?

    But this is Obama, so doesn't matter.

    I gotta make me up a scorecard cause this crap is turning my elderly brain into oatmeal. Next thing you know I'll be trying to get my fat old carcass on the damn bandwagon.

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    good for business (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by cmugirl on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:53:24 PM EST
    OT:  If Obama wins,good for Fox News and the rest of the empire.  It must be hard beating up on someone from your own party - appearing "neutral" but giving him a pass at the same time.  With Obama, it will be Rev. Wright all the time.

    Here's something very simple... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by SunnyLC on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:55:10 PM EST
    Here's something very simple...

    "Check out "American Pie" or: "Political Landscape for Dummies"

    http://tinyurl.com/4q2qfr

    This is something you should see...It's my way of spreading around a really great post by Gregory Chang...it's a VERY simple graphic guide to the political landscape, now and in November, depending on who's the nominee...

    It certainly gives a great view of the big picture...

    Would the candidates have internal polling (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by Teresa on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:01:59 PM EST
    like they do other places? I was wondering if Hillary is doing better than the Obama people expected and that's why everyone is crowning him on Wed? Would they even be capable of that due to the language & telephone issues you pointed out the other day?

    Exactly how do they plan to do that? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Teresa on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:04:43 PM EST
    Take away the vote of any SD who refuses to endorse Obama right now? Haven't they been telling the voters for two months that it is over and the people aren't listening. Wonder what they will threaten the SD's with?

    Maybe as what Olberman suggested once: (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by felizarte on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:09:15 PM EST
    take hillary to a room and she does not come out. When Hillary emerges from the convention, she will be truly formidable.

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    The SD's won't need prodding (1.00 / 0) (#35)
    by Seth90212 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:07:11 PM EST
    to vote Obama. He wins about 8 of 10 anyway. They will just ask those SD's to make up their minds, that is all. That surely will put Obama way over the top.

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    All the Republicans are supporting Obama (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by cpa1 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:11:23 PM EST
    I just heard that guy Terry with the high voice on CNN say that Hillary wants to reward people for doing the wrong thing.  This seems to be talking points de jour, as it is the 3rd time I heard it today.

    Without the dems getting West Va, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, Pennsylvania et al the Republicans will steal one from Obama.  Then they can preserve all the crimes performed by Bush and Cheney, a la Nancy Pelosi who helped hide everything by not calling for impeachment.

    As far as Pelosi, the Republican enabler, does anyone care anymore what she has to say?  I don't and I hope the Super Ds tell her where to go.

    Now I am hearing from my friends that I have to vote for Obama because of the Supreme Ct.  Where the hell were they when Obama wouldn't join in the filibuster of Alito.  Now the Supreme Ct, has become the extortion chattel to force us to vote for Obama.  What a joke this has become.  When you look at the analyses of he primaries v. caucuses you can see there would have been at least an additional 124 vote swing to Hillary as the 78%s Obama received would have turned into 51%s if all the votes were primaries.

    I went to Puerto Rico once many years ago (um many decades ago).  It was one of my best vacation ever.  Hopefully Puerto Ricans will get behind Hillary and give her all its delegates and then go to Luquillo Beach and roast a pig by the bent palm tree.  

    The SCOTUS (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:43:46 PM EST
    argument is a waste. The latest Pew Poll says that Obama has a big problem with white women. Perhaps that is why the SCOTUS argument is being put forth. Sorry, no sale for me. Obama could have had a filibuster on Alito and was too afraid. I'm tired of wimps.

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    Kerry Lost White Women To Bush In 04 (5.00 / 0) (#52)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:20:54 PM EST
    Bush 55%  Kerry 44%

    SCOTUS was at risk in 04 and it didn't win the day with women voters. Not every woman cares about SCOTUS. There are pro-life women Dems and pro-choice women Republicans.

    Just because people think that this should be an overriding factor in casting a vote, doesn't make it so.

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    I think (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 29, 2008 at 06:40:59 PM EST
    the problem is that these voters are now security moms. Obama does worse than Kerry with these. His weakness in national security will make it unlikely that he will gain these voters.

    Is there anything that Obama doesn't do worse than Kerry? I'm beginning to wonder.

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    All I read is that Murdoch said obama will win (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:23:04 PM EST
    in a landslide...don't know where he gets his info.  Obviously, he has not been reading the latest polling, which shows obama is not doing that well, i.e. GE

    This is what we Obama supporters have been trying (1.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Seth90212 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:03:24 PM EST
    to tell you all. The one with the most delegates wins. Focusing on stuff that won't ever happen has done a disservice to Hillary and her candidacy.

    Enjoy those Red State delegates (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by nycstray on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:06:18 PM EST
    that will be Red State EVs in the fall . . .

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    Except that's not true. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by madamab on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:07:24 PM EST
    He has to get to the "magic number."

    If MI and FL are counted, the "magic number" is 2210. He won't get there.

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    That number is not determined (1.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Seth90212 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:09:12 PM EST
    by a poster on TL. Whatever the number is, Obama will exceed it. The fantasy of denying him any delegates in MI won't ever see fruition.

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    Prior to FL & MI primaries (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Josey on Thu May 29, 2008 at 05:13:25 PM EST
    unlike Hillary, Obama told his supporters those states didn't matter because they wouldn't have delegates at the convention. Consequently, some of his FL supporters didn't even bother to vote. And some of his MI supporters may have voted for Romney.

    Now you're saying he's expecting delegates from FL & MI?
    shocking!


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    BTD, do you have any idea how (none / 0) (#2)
    by MarkL on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:32:19 PM EST
    volatile the PR vote is? Have they been paying much attention to the race so far? Do you see a big last minute swing possible?

    Normally (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:52:42 PM EST
    not volatiule at all.

    In something like this, whi freakoing knows?

    the one surprise that COULD happen is Clinton winning by 35 with a huge turnout.

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    I Wonder (none / 0) (#48)
    by BDB on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:57:29 PM EST
    If as we see more people talking about the election and endorsing, if that drives turnout.  If it's machine politics, don't these folks want to be able to show they can deliver.  I know Clinton is a long-shot for getting the nomination, but if they deliver and she does - that would seem to be important for the endorsers.

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    Any info on why? (none / 0) (#5)
    by rafaelh on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:42:05 PM EST
    I was surprised to see Hernandez Mayoral on the Clinton side since his father has been such a strong Obama supporter. Have you heard anything on a possible reason for the split? Or is it just some careful positioning by the Hernandez family?

    PS. Any comments on the strong showing by statehood in the Nuevo Dia poll?  The leftist move by Acevedo Vila hurting the PPD? I gather you think the Rossello cult will not have an effect on November?

    Heck of a question (none / 0) (#12)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:51:11 PM EST
    As a Statehooder, you must know that Hernandez Colon is the King of Intrigue.

    Here's my thinking - to separate himself from Acevedo Vila and create his own following now.

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    Hernandez Mayoral (none / 0) (#32)
    by rafaelh on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:05:12 PM EST
    might have lost his chance to be the next leader in the PPD. He could have stayed in 2004 and fight Rossello but he let Acevedo Vila do it instead. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic but I didn't completely buy the excuse of his son's condition.  Now Miranda Marin and Garcia Padilla will not be happy with the idea of him just parachuting into the presidency again.

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    Oh NOooooo... (none / 0) (#7)
    by madamab on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:45:31 PM EST
    link?

    Be interesting what it does to MSNBC (none / 0) (#31)
    by felizarte on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:05:05 PM EST
    or how they will react to it.  Imagine Olberman and O'Reilly on the same side!

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    That's not an endorsement (none / 0) (#38)
    by madamab on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:08:36 PM EST
    Obama should be happy about...but maybe it's a bait and switch type of thing.

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    Oh...but it's Ricky Martin (none / 0) (#9)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:50:18 PM EST
    heh...I remember Ricky from when he was on General Hospital and I was sick with bronchitis.

    Honestly (5.00 / 0) (#37)
    by rafaelh on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:07:28 PM EST
    I think Ricky will give Hillary more votes than Hernandez Mayoral. He hasn't been that involved in politics for the last couple of years.

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    Does PR (none / 0) (#18)
    by Steve M on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:54:37 PM EST
    pay federal taxes?

    FICA (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:55:21 PM EST


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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Steve M on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:57:56 PM EST
    No income tax?  No wonder they are all Democrats. ;)

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    the local economy is so depressed (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Kathy on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:18:47 PM EST
    that if they paid at the same rate that we did, most of the commonwealth would probably be upside down.  They pay federal payroll taxes--medicare, social security, etc.  In other words, they see half their paycheck axed off every payday, just like we do.

    I suppose it's good that they catch a break on taxes, but I'm sure they'd much rather have their economy perform up to states' standards.  Last I checked, they are poorer than MS-and that's pretty dang poor.

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    Well (none / 0) (#43)
    by Steve M on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:24:47 PM EST
    I certainly am not arguing for taxation without representation.  I was just curious.

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    Who Does Menudo Support? (none / 0) (#28)
    by Dan the Man on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:03:10 PM EST


    That's like being endorsed by Satan! (none / 0) (#58)
    by lilburro on Thu May 29, 2008 at 07:52:49 PM EST
    Who the heck wants that???

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