Monday Open Thread

First day back after Thanksgiving is always busy. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Got the (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 08:03:34 PM EST
    Where's Garuda? (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 08:52:35 PM EST
    Garuda (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:15:16 PM EST
    Does look rather christmasie.  If you only see the red and green and gold leaf and don't look that closely at the teeth and claws and fiery wings and stuff.

    Shouldn't Maria (none / 0) (#21)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:16:13 PM EST
    be blue, not green?

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:34:09 PM EST
    Christmas is my favorite season for decorating.    In the 80s when I lived in NY, in the Ansonia Hotel with very high ceilings, my room mate and I had a 10 foot Spruce covered with green rubber hospital gloves and cans of Spam.

    Then when i worked at Disney my pod mates, their name for a room full of cubes, and I pitched in and made a spectacular display of three singing Angels.  We used white sheets and actual song books open to a Christmas carol and three of these heads.
    Except they were not quite as nice as that one.  But the mouths were open wider.


    I used my decorating time catching (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:17:01 PM EST
    up on The Leftovers. wow - Liv brings the cray-cray! Excited about the finale - regret not watching it all week-by week to enjoy it for longer.

    Also - 'Let the Mystery Be' - best theme song ever (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:18:22 PM EST
    I like it to (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:22:30 PM EST
    I don't see how there can't be a season three.   I have seen speculation that, because of ratings, there might not be.

    I really hope there is.


    Me too. I almost have been watching it as a (none / 0) (#28)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:28:14 PM EST
    short story anthology series. Some of the episodes stand alone as interesting little stories. They could turn it into more of something like that. Sorry I let down the HOB ratings all year - but they saw me binge watch this weekend!

    I think Nora (none / 0) (#30)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:38:41 PM EST
    Is my favorite character.  She has been through hell and now she finds out she's a "lens".

    The dynamic between her and the next door neighbor with the crazy fireman husband is the best.


    Today's episode of "Petty and stupid": (none / 0) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 03:16:13 PM EST
    House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy says the House will not agree to funding for any commitments might make on behalf of the United States, should a climate accord be reached in Paris.

    The solution (none / 0) (#2)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:09:24 PM EST
    to having "petty and stupid" leaders in charge of our country is rather simple:

    Vote for "smart and intelligent" people instead.

    The fact that "petty and stupid" has been a winner for way too long says something about those purporting to be "smart and intelligent,"  doesn't it?


    Not Really... (none / 0) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:19:13 PM EST
    ...when you consider the sums of money spent to keep people stupid.  Not much smart anything can do when the rich can by an entire network and broadcast stupid 24/7.

    I find it amazing that once or two a week I see here a certain someone who spends vast amounts of time and energy to prove lies are not really lies.

    Numero Uno, GW is a myth.  How many dollars and resources have been spent to prove that the lie is not a lie.  Mind boggling, really.


    Don't blame the voters. (none / 0) (#6)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:59:24 PM EST
    The fact that "petty and stupid" has been a winner for way too long says something about those purporting to be "smart and intelligent,"  doesn't it?

    The fact that petty and stupid people have been elected is not something for which you should blame the victim.

    In this case, the victim is the voter. The victims are the people.

    We have been given no one to vote for.
    And if we begin to think that maybe so and so is a candidate worth considering, we are hit with the conventional wisdom that so and so can't win... so we would be wasting our vote.

    So, guess who wins?

    One of the people on the ballot will be elected. And more often than not, that person will behave in a manner that seems petty and stupid.

    That is, petty and stupid to us.
    But not to the corporate interests whose money put them in power.

    To them, those petty and stupid people are doing one hell of a job.


    Sorry (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 05:54:46 PM EST
    but there are a lot of voters that like stupid in a president. Maybe not enough alone to win an election but look no further than the Bush apologists that hang out here. There are a lot of voters that refuse to inform themselves.

    There are smart voters, dumb voters and all kinds of voters. Voters who base their votes on religion etc.


    Whether (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:13:36 PM EST
    they like it or not, stupid is what they are going to get.

    Or they get an intelligent president who acts stupid, like Clinton.


    Sorry, but I have to disagree with ... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 08:57:05 PM EST
    ... that sort of electoral passivity on your part. Speaking as a now-former party official, why are WE obligated to give YOU someone to vote for? Do you envision your own personal role and responsibility in this process to be exclusively that of public critic and / or moral scold?

    Let's please understand one thing here. As a party official, I'm not there to serve you, the citizen voter. (And the same goes for my GOP counterparts.) Rather, because I'm elected by my fellow Democrats in my own community, my primary obligation is to represent their interests at the party's executive level, which may or may not coincide with your own.

    As far as prospective candidates for public office are concerned, the choice and decision to run rests with the individual who desires to do so, and not with me or any other party official. If we need a candidate in a particular district, we'll put the word out in that district and then see who steps up to the plate, but that's all we can do. The bygone days of the smoke-filled backroom, during which party bosses got to decide who ran and who didn't, are exactly that -- bygone. And good riddance.

    That said, I'm there to work with you in the interest of making common cause, provided that you show up and demonstrate a willingness to roll up your sleeves and share the workload. Democracy is meant to be a participatory sport, and your active presence is required for it to take root and flourish. If you seek change, then you must embody that change, and a good place to start is taking an active role in your own community's public affairs.



    Unfortunately, he represents Bakersfield, CA, (none / 0) (#26)
    by shoephone on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:23:24 PM EST
    considered to be the most conservative city in California. So, it's unlikely anyone intelligent and sane will be elected to congress from there any time soon.

    Anyone Else Find It Odd... (none / 0) (#3)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:14:42 PM EST
    ...that they tell people not to go to public outings, to be vigilant, only to watch them shoot off fireworks at every NFL game, even the indoor stadiums.

    I mean WTF, put people on edge, step up security, go through their S like they have bombs, then make loud bomb like sounds in celebration at those public events.

    I also wonder if scaring people half to death had anything to do with Black Friday basically being demoted to just another Friday before xmas.

    I'd call (none / 0) (#5)
    by CST on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 04:25:09 PM EST
    The Black Friday situation a silver lining.  Hopefully it ends the nonsense of people working on thanksgiving.

    I so completely agree (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 05:59:11 PM EST
    What a croc.  I love the sports store that closed and gave their employees the holiday off.

    It's stupid.  It's embarrassing.  It's pointless.  Particularly now that you can buy anything online.

    I hope those are correct who speculated Black Fridays days are numbered.


    re the chicago police (none / 0) (#9)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 06:14:32 PM EST
    do we tend to think something weird is going on?

    Supposedly there are 5 police cams and all of missing some or all of their audio . . .

    a burger place manager claims that police deleted his video of the shooting, but others claim no deletion took place.

    maybe we need someone with the x-ray vision of superman . . .

    either that or a federal investigation  . . .

    refugees in the news & thought (none / 0) (#10)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:00:46 PM EST
    I don't particularly think it is a good idea to more or less adopt several thousand more syrian refugees than we have already done.

    Refugees were in the news again in the last few days,  in Germany.  Basically, Islamic recruiters go new arrivals or the areas of the new arrivals and say we will help you live your faith and encourage them to go to mosque and moreover, reportedly, do what they can do steer all possible to mosques that will radicalize those attending.

    The vast majority of the refugees we might take in are Muslim and apparently . . .  generally . . . ones who have little or no interest in learning our values and ways.  One in four of the mosques in the USA is owned or affiliated with a Muslims Brotherhood front organization.

    I have no particular idea if they should be Jordan, Iraq or Turkey or Kurdistan.  We have done a lot of favors to both Egypt and Jordan and I think we are still providing aid to their military, or at least that of Egypt.  

    How is it that we can spend billions in money in various sorts of aid to these countries no one --other than Jordan, perhaps-- wants many of them?

    Ten Muslim refugees who come to the USA and then to go a Muslim Brotherhood mosque and become radicalized--they can do enough damage and create enough chaos that we regret having brought in 8000 of the rest of them.

    it is stupid it seems to me to take them in on such conditions.

    1st freddie gray trial beginning (none / 0) (#12)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:14:49 PM EST
    The first of the freddie gray trials is beginning . . .

    William Porter is on trial for involuntary manslaughter and some other things . . .

    Pros put Porter first, supposedly, cause they want to use him as a witness in the other trials.

    the van driver is named Goodson.

    what did porter do, if anything, that caused Gray's death?

    which officers, if any, are the ones who should have put him in seatbelt?

    My guess/prediction is . . .

    If the jury has some whites  . . . then  . . .
    officers who should have put Gray in a seatbelt are convicted of some charges and all others, if any, are acquitted.  

    The only officers who are in danger are the ones who can be shown to have had an obligation to have put Gray in seatbelt . . . and their defense, if any, is that they didn't know or whatever it is they will claim, not very convincingly.

    Although, the defense will also try to claim we don't really know how Gray died . . . but I think, from reports, we can reasonably conclude that if Gray had been in a seatbelt, he would not have died that day.  Defense speculations about the death being intentional or an accident or Gray's own self-desctrutive actions--none of it will matter to the officers who did not put the seatbelts on and who had a directive to do so.

    Is clinton being thoughtless? (none / 0) (#13)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:29:47 PM EST
    "Well, at this point, I cannot conceive of any circumstances where I would agree to do that because I think the best way to defeat ISIS is as I've said ... from the air, which we lead, on the the ground, which we enable, empower, train, equip, and in cyberspace where, don't forget, they are a formidable adversary online," Clinton said.

    The main opposition to ISIS is currently the kurds.  The Kurds have been and continue to be attacked by Turkey and they are under-equipped and ill-equipped as is reported by mainstream news media such as cnn and cbs.

    For good or for fill the Kurds have reportedly been torturing ISIS surrendered fighters and have been destroying houses and villages of persons and groups suspected of supporting ISIs.

    Clinton explained that sending U.S. combat troops back to the region would "give ISIS a new recruitment tool."

    we or france would face 30,000 who can barely move and man their own checkpoints  . . .  I personally think that 2000 US or French troops would push ISIS over the edge, because it isn't just us . . .

    2000 troops and give the Kurds some tanks and stop Turkey from attacking them . . . bomb the oil of ISIS and it should be over  . . .

    Oh, the brilliant French attacks a few weeks ago left 200,000 people without water, reportedly . . .  Not sure if that was intentional, but it is foolish.

    The news is that the Iraqi Security Forces have successfully captured a bridge from ISIS. . .

    Iraqi forces cut last IS supply line to Ramadi by retaking bridge!

    Iraqi forces backed by Iranian-trained militias and U.S. air strikes have made significant progress in isolating Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province that the Islamic State overran in May, according to Iraqi officials, local residents and Western military advisers.

    But there's no certainty that that means the city will soon be retaken. . . Iraqi Security reportedly will be waiting till Bertha the Seattle tunnelling machine is working properly and tunnelling, since that would be regarded a good omen . . .

    Oh . . .

    Bertha's restart delayed again; will there be drilling by Christmas?

    Tunnel-boring machine Bertha's restart date will be delayed until Dec. 23, a month beyond the latest projection.

    K . . .

    Oh yes (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 07:53:11 PM EST
    Monty blows the whistle (none / 0) (#17)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 08:48:31 PM EST
    Monty shows us how well the cat is trained .  . .

    "I think this whistle is broken."--Monty

    "Those silent cat whistles are notoriously glitchy."
    --Monty's robot-friend.


    I begin to wonder (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:19:17 PM EST
    If perhaps employees and care providers at Planned Parenthood and similar places should take the bad guy with a gun vs the good guy with a gun to heart and arm themselves.

    I have to tell you if I worked at one I would definitely be giving it serious consideration.

    Something the murderous right wing maniacs can understand.

    That would be a terrible idea (none / 0) (#27)
    by shoephone on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:25:45 PM EST
    I can't imagine the medical staff or the clients feeling safe with that scenario. Way too much can go wrong.

    I would never want to get medical care at a place where people were armed.


    Technically (none / 0) (#31)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 09:41:44 PM EST
    You would not have to know.   Colorado is concealed carry.

    Planning of Paris Attacks (none / 0) (#32)
    by Green26 on Mon Nov 30, 2015 at 11:06:14 PM EST
    This NY Times article is a very interesting read. As many already know, Europe is quite vulnerable.