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Why Not Rudy For McCain's VP?

Here I go again giving McCain advice, but I have been struck by the fact that in all the McCain VP talk no one has mentioned Rudy Giuliani. Heck, I heard them talking about Bloomberg today, but not Rudy. I figure that folks think McCain has to have an anti-choice VP but does that hold true for Rudy? No one thought it was going to kill Rudy's chances when he was running for President. In fact, Rudy got the good housekeeping approval from a lot of evangelicals. His problems were different.

If Obama is the Dem nominee, won't McCain be able to buttress his shots at Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and even New Jersey with Rudy as his running mate?

Maybe I am crazy but I think given the way the map is shaping up, Rudy could make the most sense for McCain. And it is striking to me the no one seems to be talking about him.

POSTSCRIPT - People are mentioning Colin Powell and if he would take it then it is a no brainer imo. He broke with the Bush Administration (too late of course) and is greatly respected despite his failures. But my understanding is he would never ever accept it.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me, and as a political pundit. only. I detest Rudy Giuliani.

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    I hope he does pick Rudy... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:11:03 PM EST
    I don't think he'll help anywhere, nor with anyone.

    that's pretty funny (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:12:57 PM EST
    because it happens to be true. His own family won't vote for him

    [ Parent ]
    heh (none / 0) (#3)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    i was going to say the same.

    [ Parent ]
    Well (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:14:02 PM EST
    McCain seems to agree.

    I do not agree with any of you on this.

    [ Parent ]

    rudy couldn't even win (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:15:51 PM EST
    in his own back yard. was embarrassed in florida. and is not a favorite of the theocrat wing, with whom mccain already has a tenuous relationship. a woman would be a great idea.

    [ Parent ]
    he dressed up as a woman (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:19:16 PM EST
    and allowed himself to be photographed in the process. Plus he had gay roommates which is a no, no in the GOP and supports abortion rights.

    You're right, the theocrats would never go for it.

    [ Parent ]

    Which backyard? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:17:53 PM EST
    HE dropped after Florida.

    [ Parent ]
    new hampshire (none / 0) (#42)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:20:13 PM EST
    and he was doing so poorly in the ct polls that he pulled out, even before fl.

    [ Parent ]
    he spent about 5 million or more in N.H (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:26:51 PM EST
    and got about 2-3 percent

    [ Parent ]
    NH is not in NY's backyard (none / 0) (#85)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:32:01 PM EST
    Who in the heck invented that nonsense? Some Obama supporter to explain hillary's victory?

    [ Parent ]
    heh (none / 0) (#103)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:36:27 PM EST
    well, he was struggling even in ct.

    [ Parent ]
    interesting idea (none / 0) (#149)
    by manish on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:08:08 PM EST
    Hey BTD,

    Interesting, but I don't see it.  Having 2 moderates would probably help the GOP with independents, but he would be problematic with the base.  I would see him getting a VP who would shore up the base and he himself can go after the independents.

    [ Parent ]

    I disagree with that (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:13:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    condi would be the killer pick (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:12:44 PM EST
    because if there's anyone the media adore more than they do mccain, it's condi.

    Condoleeza Rice Would Kill The Ticket (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:31:44 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Condi is pro-choice (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by MKS on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:39:36 PM EST
    That nixes the deal.

    [ Parent ]
    The bigots would flee to Barr. (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimotto on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:17:18 PM EST
    She'd hurt with the base way too much.

    [ Parent ]
    she'd more than compensate (none / 0) (#44)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:21:14 PM EST
    with all the moderates she'd pull in. the media love her!

    [ Parent ]
    An African American male colleague (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:23:33 PM EST
    sd. long ago if Rice were nominated by the GOP, all AAs would vote for her.  Of course, that was before the Obama phenom.

    [ Parent ]
    but she'd get some (none / 0) (#75)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:29:05 PM EST
    and she'd get some of the women's vote. and she's more of a media darling than even mccain, even more than colin powell used to be.

    [ Parent ]
    And she plays the piano. What's not to like? (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:33:43 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    and loves football! (none / 0) (#98)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:34:48 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What about Colin Powell? (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by Shainzona on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:55:17 PM EST
    AA
    Male
    Military
    (I know he made a big mistake with his UN presentation but) People like him.
    Younger than McCain.

    [ Parent ]
    condi (none / 0) (#154)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:10:31 PM EST
    has age and gender working for her, and she's even more of a media darling than even powell!

    [ Parent ]
    Doesn't she play (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by lilburro on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:16:35 PM EST
    to McCain's percieved strength already though?  As Sec. of State?   Being a hardliner?  Further, she's always seemed pretty clunky as a speaker to me.  She gets away with murder, literally, but in the spotlight I don't see her doing very well.  And consider when the media descends to ridicule her personal appearance - remember the furor over the clothes she wore to foreign meetings?   Plus I think it would bring up identity politics again, which I doubt McCain wants to do.  Endless conversations on the amazingness of the first black president will not work in his favor, and I think Rice would help stimulate such conversations.  In any case, she'd certainly be more interesting McCain, which would suck...for McCain.

    [ Parent ]
    She's a good choice. (none / 0) (#196)
    by masslib on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:35:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Powell: family problems in the background. n/t (none / 0) (#204)
    by wurman on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:39:56 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Condi is Bush! (none / 0) (#91)
    by zfran on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:33:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    see my reply to btd (none / 0) (#93)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:33:43 PM EST
    on that. won't stick.

    [ Parent ]
    She's got the same potential issue (none / 0) (#97)
    by JoeA on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:34:39 PM EST
    with the Republican base that Crist and Graham would have.

    [ Parent ]
    rumored (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:35:34 PM EST
    but the media won't bring it up, and the dems won't either.

    [ Parent ]
    Bush;s Third Terrn? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:27:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    that would be an angle to use (none / 0) (#81)
    by Turkana on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:31:05 PM EST
    but the media haven't held her accountable for anything, plus they love to frame her as having been in opposition to rumsfeld and cheney. she takes teflon to a level not seen since reagan, and maybe even beyond that!

    [ Parent ]
    what about Christie Todd Whitman? (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Josey on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:30:52 PM EST
    she resigned from her cabinet position with the Bush admin.


    [ Parent ]
    Pro choice (5.00 / 2) (#206)
    by MKS on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:40:26 PM EST
    and opposed the ban on late term abortions....

    [ Parent ]
    But, if he picks Guiliani, we'll have to look (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:12:45 PM EST
    at the ice cream man graphic. Spare us.

    I love that graphic (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:18:16 PM EST
    You mean this one? It's one of my all-time favorites.

    [ Parent ]
    I think the photos of Guiliani in drag (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by JoeA on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:26:16 PM EST
    would make something of a comeback as well.  Picking Guiliani as VP would be one way to demotivate the Republicans evangelical base and make sure they sat the election out.  

    How do we convince McCain that doing this is a good idea?

    [ Parent ]

    He looks like (none / 0) (#122)
    by oldpro on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:46:57 PM EST
    a huckster at the state fair...circa 1910...

    [ Parent ]
    because Rudy.... (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by p lukasiak on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:13:00 PM EST
    is a walking, talking embarrassment.  

    People talk about how Clinton 'blew her lead', but seem to forget that Rudy was Mr. Inevitable on the GOP side right up until the moment when he was no longer a viable candidate.

    The smart choice for McCain is Christie Whitman.  That choice may wind up making some of the evangelicals stay home, but in the states where the Xtian right is important, if Obama is the nominee a lot more women will vote for McCain and make up for the lost Xtian right votes, and if Clinton is the nominee, she'll lose those states anyway.

    Christie Whitman (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by nycstray on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:19:39 PM EST
    eh, she has 9/11 baggage. Think air quality . . .

    [ Parent ]
    Oh man (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:25:05 PM EST
    Hillary would be a devastating campaigner (either on her own behalf or Obama's) against Whitman on the ticket.  Hillary was on the side of the angels in the 9/11 cleanup, and Whitman is one of the biggest villains in the whole story.

    I would, frankly, love for our local story to get some national airtime.  People deserve to know the truth about how those first responders were ill-served.

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary would spit her out (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by nycstray on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:32:45 PM EST
    Whitman enrages me. Even just seeing her name . . .

    I'd also like more of the story to get out.

    [ Parent ]

    No, Olympia Snowe (none / 0) (#109)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:39:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Snowe is funny. (5.00 / 2) (#211)
    by wurman on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:44:53 PM EST
    Some pundit asked her what she'd do if she "woke up in the White House one day?"

    She replied, "Apologize to the President's wife and leave."

    [ Parent ]

    that would be winning (none / 0) (#116)
    by DandyTIger on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:43:29 PM EST
    I've heard a number of stanch Hillary supporters already say that if McCain picked a woman VP they liked, they would definitely vote for him. And the name I've heard the most is Snow's. But definitely not right wing acceptable. We'll see if he is that brave. Hope not.

    [ Parent ]
    This would kill Obama's Iraq theme (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:49:15 PM EST
    LINK

    [ Parent ]
    She's Hillary's age (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:00:23 PM EST
    so that should work for McCain.  She's a former First Lady of Maine, was in the House from 1979 to 1995 and has been in the Senate since. Her creds with Hillary's supporters would be about as good as a Republican could get, and get this, she's funny!  

    [ Parent ]
    I have to disagree on this one, too. (5.00 / 3) (#166)
    by Iphie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:19:22 PM EST
    Christie Todd Whitman is responsible for lying to us about the quality of the air downtown after 9/11. She was doing Bush's bidding and because of her people continued to work on the pile without appropriate protection. People continued to live in their homes (including yours truly) that had been contaminated with toxic air and dust. People didn't take the precautions they should have because we were told their was no problem. There was, and Whitman deserves her share of the blame who have died from their illnesses after the fact and those who continue to have health problems (again, including yours truly). Whitman will be as toxic as their air we breathed.

    [ Parent ]
    But that is because they were not thinking (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:15:30 PM EST
    A GOP primary electorate has nothing to do with a general electorate.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, Please Let It Be Rudy (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by The Maven on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:13:34 PM EST
    that would be the dream ticket for horrific baggage we could all gleefully attack.  I've missed having Rudy to kick around.  He would inject some much-needed vitriol into things from my perspective.

    But, yes, electorally, Giuliani actually would seem to make a whole lot of sense, since the ticket could even theoretically also put New York State within reach -- probably a stretch, but with 31 EVs, a prize worth shooting for (and costing the GOP and their allies scads of money).

    Guiliani polled horribly in NY against either (none / 0) (#45)
    by JoeA on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:21:15 PM EST
    Obama or Clinton.  I can't see how he would put NY into play.

    [ Parent ]
    It would not. (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:15:38 PM EST
    This is a terrible idea.

    Rudy adds nothing to the ticket and carries more baggage than a 747.

    [ Parent ]

    Rudy (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:13:44 PM EST
    wouldn't take the pay cut just to be VP. He's objectionable to evangelicals. His personal baggage is enormous.  His only running point is 9/11. The reason Rudy failed to get the nomination is not that his campaign blew his strategy but the other way around. He had no support so his campaign settled on that strategy. He's a has been.

    And reason #1 Rudy will not be VP: Bernie Kerik hasn't gone on trial yet.


    He does not have an evangelical problem imo (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:17:18 PM EST
    I actually think he solved that.

    As for personal baggage, people do not use it on the VP unless it is really something shockingly egregious.

    And if the campaign gets nasty, believe you me, Rudy can outnasty any of them.

    [ Parent ]

    he used to be able to out-nasty (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:21:30 PM EST
    he's lost his clout. He's got a Judy problem, the public hates her.  He's got a kid problem, they don't talk to him.

    Evangelicals? James Dobson says he'd never vote for Giuliani.

    [ Parent ]

    Or McCain (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:26:15 PM EST
    dobson says he is never voting for anybody ever again apparently.

    [ Parent ]
    sounds like a plan (5.00 / 3) (#106)
    by RalphB on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:38:05 PM EST
    I hope he sticks to it  :-)

    [ Parent ]
    But when you say Dobson (none / 0) (#114)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:43:22 PM EST
    do you mean Frist?

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#130)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:51:28 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yes. You are totally right. Besides he's (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by derridog on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:32:11 PM EST
    another old white guy.  To be honest, I think the most brilliant move McCain could make would be to make Colin Powell his veep. Whatever we might think of him, the rest of the country would see it as two moderates running and the fact that Powell is black would directly challenge Obama on race.

    [ Parent ]
    I thought not so long ago (5.00 / 4) (#99)
    by zfran on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:34:51 PM EST
    Colin Powell did not endorse anyone and said he was still making up his mind. My guess is Obama is his guy!

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah. I think I heard that too. I'm just saying (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by derridog on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:36:51 PM EST
    that if McCain got him, I think they'd be unbeatable.

    [ Parent ]
    That is the rumor n/t (none / 0) (#209)
    by MKS on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:43:01 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oh man (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:43:55 PM EST
    I doubt Colin Powell is very interested in doubling down on his support for the war!

    [ Parent ]
    Well, I hope you're right. (none / 0) (#148)
    by derridog on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:06:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    John Zacarro? (none / 0) (#51)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:22:44 PM EST
    That was used fairly effectively

    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:25:32 PM EST
    in a 20 point loss, it is hard to say what was not effective.

    [ Parent ]
    Bingo (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:18:28 PM EST
    Rudy wouldn't come close to passing any kind of serious vetting.  I agree with BTD he has lots of advantages electorally, but it absolutely would not be worth the risk in terms of the ghoulies and ghosties that could come flying out of his closet at any moment.

    [ Parent ]
    I dunno (none / 0) (#46)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:21:17 PM EST
    I think he can get by with it as the VP.

    [ Parent ]
    maybe not as McCain's VP because of age (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by DandyTIger on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:26:45 PM EST
    I'm kind of thinking people will look to his VP pick with a little more scrutiny than most.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think McCain can afford (none / 0) (#176)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:26:12 PM EST
    (or would think he could afford) to be associated with it, BTD, with his own Keating 5 and various lobbyist stuff.  And especially running against Mr. Virtue Personified.


    [ Parent ]
    BTD, you are trolling in your own blog again ;-) (none / 0) (#179)
    by cymro on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:27:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Agreed. No way. (none / 0) (#189)
    by Cassius Chaerea on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:31:53 PM EST
    He's a loose cannon and won't be number two to anyone. None of the party power brokers want him. Got no support in February and will get no support now.

    [ Parent ]
    If Rezko is a non-issue, I suppose Kerik (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:16:29 PM EST
    is also.  But, I think Rezko is an issue.

    [ Parent ]
    no, Rudy and Kerik (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:19:17 PM EST
    were way closer.  Rudy was best man at Kerik's wedding. They go way, way back.

    [ Parent ]
    Which wedding? (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:29:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I don't know that Kerik (none / 0) (#102)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:35:47 PM EST
    has more than one wife.

    [ Parent ]
    No Mormon jokes please (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:52:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    At least one wife - and one girlfriend... (none / 0) (#135)
    by Shainzona on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:56:06 PM EST
    that we know of!

    [ Parent ]
    Per Wiki: (none / 0) (#143)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:04:30 PM EST
    Kerik's third marriage was to Syria-born Hala Matli (born February 3, 1972).

    Addendum:  Rudi was best man and is also the godfather.

    [ Parent ]

    Married three times (none / 0) (#181)
    by Iphie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:27:43 PM EST
    just like Rudy. He kept one of them concealed, but I can't remember exactly why at the moment.

    [ Parent ]
    And Kerik had mob ties. (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by Iphie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:26:16 PM EST
    An unfortunate stereotype for Italians, to be sure, but it's made worse by the fact that Giuliani's own father was in the mob. Something he tried to distance himself from every step of the way, and surely a large part of the reason he went after the mob himself. But then you choose a police commissioner whose mobbed up? How do you explain that one? It's not like he wouldn't know the signs.

    [ Parent ]
    Giuliani has enormous problems. (none / 0) (#157)
    by Iphie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:11:48 PM EST
    The worst of which, and the thing that was going to torpedo his campaign had he not dropped out, was his handling of 9/11, both before and after the attack. One, the city was not prepared, though we should have been -- it wasn't like he didn't know that NYC was a terrorist target, he came into office shortly after the WTC was bombed for the first time. There were many, many Cassandras sounding the alarm about the city's preparedness for some sort of major catastrophe, and they were either ignored, demoted or fired.

    Case in point -- the city established the OEM (Office of Emergency Management) sometime in the mid-late 90s. It was understood by basically everyone who had any knowledge of emergency response and management that the city needed to integrate communications amongst the various city agencies that are needed in an emergency -- the police, the fire department, ConEd, hospital emergency rooms, etc. It was also understood that the OEM needed to have a central command location where all of the information and coordination of resources could be managed.

    It was highly recommended that this central location be somewhere other than Lower Manhattan (actually out of Manhattan period) because that is the area that is the greatest target and thus you would want the central command location to be away from where the danger was most likely to occur. It's where Wall St. is, it's where the municipal government office buildings are, it's where City Hall is, etc., etc. Ideally, the location would be far enough away to be out of range of danger, but close enough that the mayor and whoever else would need to, could get there quickly. This place was basically going to be a bunker, and many thought it should be underground. It can't, however, be underground in Lower Manhattan because of flood risk issues.

    Rudy, however, wanted a location that was within walking distance of City Hall -- really, this was his criteria, so against the advice of experts, he decided to put the OEM on the 23rd floor of one of the buildings in the WTC complex. The bunker needed to have a backup system that could maintain the phones, electricity, water, etc. It needed to be self-sufficient. There were enormous generators in the building, and an enormous amount of fuel to meet any emergency need. This decision to put the bunker on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC actually made it more vulnerable than your typical office building because of the amount of flammable material stored in there.

    You know all those pictures of Giuliani running around on 9/11 with a cluster of people running with him? It wasn't because he was in control, it was because he didn't have anywhere to go. He wasn't able to take control of the situation in a safe, centralized command location because the bunker was consumed by fire and there was no central command location. 7 WTC was the third building to fall that day, not because it was hit, but because the fuel that was stored there fed an enormous fire and the structure could not hold up.

    It was incredibly foolish to but the OEM command center in such a visible, vulnerable place. But Giuliani knew better than everyone else what was really important, and so the bunker was built in possibly the worst location in the entire city: right next to the Twin Towers, a terrorist target that had already been hit.

    This doesn't even begin to go into the firefighters who unnecessarily lost their lives because they had old radios that had been proven to be inadequate in high rise buildings, among other place -- radios that needed to be replaced. The reason they weren't replaced is directly Giuliani's fault. For as long as his presidential campaign lasted, he was hounded by firefighters who wanted to get the truth out about Giuliani's negligence. Take a look at this youtube to get a little taste.

    Giuliani was given a pass on most of his failings because no one wanted to criticize "America's Mayor." By the time this election season had begun, that had changed.

    Giuliani's closet is filled with all sorts of skeletons and other nasty stuff. And people aren't worried about criticizing him anymore. He would be a disaster for McCain. Which is why I say "Go, Rudy!"

    [ Parent ]

    Too much bagage (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:16:45 PM EST
    As of now, McCain has a 50%+ chance of beating Obama in the GE, but his margin of error is slim.

    McCain's people don't want to spent weeks dealing with whatever comes out of Nosferatu's closet.

    We know this will be a nasty campaign and each side will try to minimize opportunities for the opposition.

    The talk of the Alaska gov as VP pick (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Cream City on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:19:47 PM EST
    seems to be picking up steam.  Several stories on her in media lately, priming the pump.  A pro-life mother who, soon after inauguration, discovered she was pregnant -- and with a Down's Syndrome child.  I've read her story of completing the pregnancy, of raising a special-needs child (as well as other children), etc.  She's very good with the media.  

    And she's from an oil-producing state -- still a territory until McCain was in his 20s, so she looks young -- and she's not an environmentalist about the oil reserves, sadly.  She could be the Republicans' dream, and this could be a tough ticket to beat.

    McCain's too risk-averse (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:02:30 PM EST
    With Obama as the Dem nominee, the risks of McCain picking the inexperienced Palin become a non-issue.  I think McCain should go for it, but I think he and the GOP are much too risk-averse.

    Palin or Lingle will probably win the white house for McCain, but he'll end up with someone more like Pawlenty or Portman.

    [ Parent ]

    Gov. Palin would make McCain look old. (none / 0) (#212)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:47:03 PM EST
    And I don't think she wants it, anyway. She has her hands full as it is, with a "special needs" infant son and four other children to care for, and a curmudgeonly U.S. senator / walking RICO violation who'd clearly like nothing better than to take her down for daring to challenge his supreme authority in the Far North.

    [ Parent ]
    Whoa! (none / 0) (#217)
    by oldpro on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:30:35 PM EST
    Then in 4 years she could run against Hillary.

    Whatta matchup!

    [ Parent ]

    Geraldine Ferraro, who says she may (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:21:11 PM EST
    not vote for Obama.

    ouch, that would be a killer choice (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by DandyTIger on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:31:33 PM EST
    She'd get the pro Hillary voters fired from the dem party for sure. But I don't think repubs would stand for it, nor would Geraldine. I don't think she'll really vote for McCain in the end, but I'm sure she won't vote for Obama. Just like loads of Clinton supporters.

    [ Parent ]
    And I respect her for saying that (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by bridget on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:21:13 PM EST
    cause her reasons are plentiful

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:22:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    OT: Lou Dobbs is gonna slam Obama (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by nycstray on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:22:12 PM EST
    apparently Obama has crossed his line and is "out".

    This outta be interesting if it's a continuation from what was touched on last week . . .

    Lou Dobbs (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:26:46 PM EST
    McCain should choose him.

    (BTW - listen to the podcast of his radio show from today (5/27 - he does a complete smackdown Obama. Dobbs just called Obama on outright liar a couple of times and siad that Obama has now become his "hobby" - he will be watching him and calling him out).

    "You're my flea, and I'm gonna be doggin' you, Senator."

    http://loudobbsradio.com/listen.asp

    Sounds like a perfect VP candidate.

    I think he starts tonight on the TeeVee (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:29:13 PM EST
    I'm waiting for it now.

    [ Parent ]
    he's making mince meat of Bill Richardson (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by DandyTIger on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:41:18 PM EST
    right now. As much as we may disagree with LD, he has the ear of a lot of blue collar white voters. And now he's going for Obama. Not that he wasn't before. And I don't think he likes McCain that much, so I'm not sure how far he'll go though.

    [ Parent ]
    he doesn't like (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by stillife on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:55:41 PM EST
    any of the candidates, as far as I can see.  He's a self-proclaimed independent.  I think he dislikes McCain b/c of McCain's immigration position.

    Stupid move on Obama's part to call out Lou.  He'll be like a dog with a bone on this issue, and his show does get good ratings on CNN.  

    [ Parent ]

    Better than Olbermann's (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:03:06 PM EST
    But this is why he'd be a perfect VP candidate.  He claims to be an independent populist and he's an attack dog.

    Can you see him in a debate with Sebelius?

    [ Parent ]

    geez BTD, (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by cpinva on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:50:23 PM EST
    would you want giuliani anywhere around you, unless you absolutely had to have him there?

    beyond the obvious irony of having two marital cheaters on the same ticket, espousing "family values", the guy is just personally repellant. frankly, he gives me the creeps and pretty much always has.

    but, i feel certain that sen. mccain appreciates your input. :)

    Giuiliani? Nasty man! (5.00 / 3) (#132)
    by stillife on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:52:16 PM EST
    Everybody who knows Giuliani hates him.  He's left a legacy of bitterness here in NYC.  Maybe it's not like that in the rest of the country, but we're onto him.  

    He'd do better to pick Bloomberg.  Unlimited bucks!    And he'd give McCain some much needed cred on economic issues. Not to mention that a McCain/Bloomberg ticket would carry NYS.  

    Imagine (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by lilburro on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:08:41 PM EST
    a Clinton v. Guiliani VP debate.  She would rip him apart!

    We all already know how awful Edwards is at debates.

    I think Clinton would be able to morph into an extremely effective VP candidate pretty easily.  She would excel in debates and on pretty much every public platform I think.  

    Worst. VP. Idea. Ever. (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:10:44 PM EST
    You want a good idea?

    Colin Powell.

    Let's "hope" McCain doesn't think of that.

    Oh my. (5.00 / 3) (#160)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:16:04 PM EST
    That would be a good ticket for the republicans.

    The dems wouldn't be able to accuse you of racism, for example.

    [ Parent ]

    Nah. (none / 0) (#163)
    by gmo on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:17:55 PM EST
    I don't think the war is the 1st thing on many people's minds.  And putting Powell on the ticket makes that an entirely military ticket.  They'd lose on the economy.

    [ Parent ]
    And entirely military ticket? (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:22:18 PM EST
    These are republican voters you're talking about.  And Powell got out or was pushed out of the Bush administration.

    Dems who don't like Obama, is he should get the nomination (blech!) may vote for those two.  The rest will do a write-in.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah, but (none / 0) (#173)
    by gmo on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:24:00 PM EST
    ...doesn't really get the swing voters, or the "Reagan Democrats" needed for an electoral win in the swing states.  Those folks are more concerned about paying their grocery bills right now than the war, I think.

    [ Parent ]
    It's not the economy, this time, (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:26:30 PM EST
    because both candidates will promise the moon.

    Bush isn't running again.

    [ Parent ]

    Except for the NAFTA/Free Trade argument (none / 0) (#185)
    by gmo on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:30:48 PM EST
    I think that hurts the Republican ticket in the rust belt; just immediately sets a bad taste in people's mouths, I think.

    But you might be right -- maybe they both promise all sorts of tax breaks, etc etc.

    [ Parent ]

    I wouldn't believe (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:36:34 PM EST
    anything Obama (Goolsbee) or McCain had to say about that.

    [ Parent ]
    Why? (none / 0) (#165)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:18:49 PM EST
    Because Obama is strong on the economy?

    [ Parent ]
    Not at all. (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by gmo on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:21:58 PM EST
    Just by contrast, I think.

      A McCain/Powell ticket says a few things: War/Military,  experience, dissolves race issue in the vote.  But it doesn't particularly say "economy" very strongly, imo, especially not coming off a republican administration that mired us in our current recession -- they've already got that strike against them (which someone like Bloomberg could resolve, but not many others).

    [ Parent ]

    Again. (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:23:42 PM EST
    this would be a republican ticket.  Indies might like it, too.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah. (none / 0) (#214)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:49:12 PM EST
    Maybe Powell could wave around that vial of baby powder when he gives his acceptance speech.

    [ Parent ]
    And I was so enjoying the disappearance of (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Anne on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:36:34 PM EST
    Rudy Giuliani...and the annoying lisp he took with him.

    My thought is that McCain is going to end up with someone the GOP "brain" trust picks for him - Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, maybe.  They may be willing to let McCain be "the maverick," but they're not going to let him completely off the leash.

    They've got to have someone who can be ready to run in 2012, when 4 years of the presidency will have McCain looking like Dustin Hoffman in Little Big Man at the end of that movie.  And even 4 years is too close to the presidency for Giuliani.

    Condi Rice?  Spare me.  I'd make her NFL commissioner before I would ever give her another government job.  And I love football, so that tells you something.

    Wait, I know - Jeb Bush...(just kidding)

    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#2)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:11:03 PM EST
    Since I've heard Bloomberg touted as a possible VP for Obama, I think this would be a coup for McCain.

    Guiliani - I don't see how he helps McCain.  "9/11" Rudy is now a joke.

    Interesting (none / 0) (#4)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:11:55 PM EST
    Who is Giuliani's base, though?  I can't see him helping outside the tri-state area.

    Giuliani won't help in Ohio.  He has no affinity for Midwestern voters whatsoever.  We saw this in Iowa, he's like an alien creature to them.

    Catholics (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:12:39 PM EST
    Ethnic whites.

    Rudy comes across as a rough New yorker, but not as an elitist.

    [ Parent ]

    Hm (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:15:46 PM EST
    Is McCain really in so much danger of losing the "ethnic white" vote to Barack Obama that he needs to make that the focus of his VP pick?

    [ Parent ]
    Play to Obama's weakness (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:19:13 PM EST
    And McCain does not have the regular guy touch either imo.

    McCain needs to work on it imo.

    Look, this is spitballing, but come one, if people are going to pretend he might pick Bloomberg or Jindal, then why not Rudy?

    [ Parent ]

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:23:08 PM EST
    I can't even figure out if McCain needs to get right with the conservative base, or if he's proven his point that he doesn't need them.

    [ Parent ]
    He got right (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:30:32 PM EST
    by having Obama as the opponent.

    I am telling you guys, they are really going to let Obama have it.

    [ Parent ]

    no kidding (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by DandyTIger on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:32:39 PM EST
    We haven't seen anything yet. It's going to be a rough ride.

    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:42:04 PM EST
    I agree with you 100% on this.  All you have to do is talk to a few Republicans to get it.

    [ Parent ]
    They sabotaged (5.00 / 5) (#112)
    by jondee on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:42:32 PM EST
    the '68 peace talks; burglerized Dem headquarters; smeared McGoverns running mate; stole Carters debate notes and cut deals with the Iranians; dug up dirt on Kitty Dukakis and gave us Willie Horton; accused Clinton of murder and drug running; rigged Florida; Swift Boated Kerry.. Of course they're gonna get dirty. It's their nature.

    [ Parent ]
    My GOP friends (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by RalphB on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:46:46 PM EST
    agree with you about that.  They may not like McCain but they detest Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    I agree. (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by derridog on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:09:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Jindal would be a bit of a stretch IMO (none / 0) (#73)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:28:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Catholics? (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:16:35 PM EST
    He just got reprimanded by the Church for taking communion when he shouldn't have.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:18:20 PM EST
    I think