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Making Mountains Out of Molehills

I've been in court all afternoon and just coming in now to all the hysteria. All I'll say is Hillary is being treated unfairly here. The media and blog commenters are engaging in character assassination. She was making a historical statement on why she needn't drop out of the race by early June. Democratic nominations have gone past that before. Her emphasis was on the word "June."

The leap that is required to think that her reference to the RFK assassination was in any way a statement or subliminal wish that it might happen to Obama is mind-boggling.

This will be the final TalkLeft thread on the matter. I'm not going to spend the weekend on this. And I'm going to have a low threshold for accusatory comments. If you want a place to further your attacks on Hillary, go somewhere else.

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I'm not about to wade through 800 comments on BTD's posts. He can clean them when he has time. His threads are closed now to further comments as all have exceeded 200.

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I'm going to have a nice dinner with my son and hope when I return people have regained their senses.

Update: Big Tent Democrat writes in the comments on the open thread:

I think it is clear I overreacted and I think this statement from the persons in the room is definitive: The Argus Leader's Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:
"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."
While Keith Olbermann's incredible stupidity makes me ashamed that I was even a part of anything that fed the craziness, I can not undo what I wrote. At the time, it was my honest reaction.

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  • Thank you Jeralyn (5.00 / 14) (#1)
    by NJDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:33:02 PM EST
    This whole thing is ridiculous.

    I said to ignore it two threads ago... (5.00 / 10) (#6)
    by Y Knot on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:44:00 PM EST
    No one thanked me.

    sniff

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    Thank you! (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:46:35 PM EST
    Feel better??

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    Much Better! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Y Knot on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:47:47 PM EST
    And, you're welcome.

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    As long as you feel better. (none / 0) (#32)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:56:57 PM EST
    Bear Grylls should be on. I think I'll go look for him.

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    John Harword pointed out emphasis on 'JUNE' (5.00 / 9) (#57)
    by andrys on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:06:42 PM EST
    and while he was trying to get this across at all, he kept being interrupted by Michele Bernard, who said African Americans would find this irreparably damaging, which I found extremely opportunistic of her.

      At least most networks are showing her statement in its entirety, and people with working minds can see that her emphasis was on earlier primaries being very active in June.

      She even ended that by saying "I don't understand..."
    still focusing on the interviewer's question as to why she has been so pressured to get out before even May.

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    She's A Harpie and On Every Damn MSNBC (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:29:49 PM EST
    practically....she shills for obama; that is her job.

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    And she's a Republican (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:36:16 PM EST
    Who knows what angle she is trying to play?

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    I'm Black and I find it meaningless (4.94 / 18) (#94)
    by Xeno on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:17:56 PM EST
    Just another manufactured controversy.

    People like this Bernard person should stop trying to speak for the entire Black community. It is as offensive and presumptuous as any other attempt to categorize groups and their attitudes by race and it needs to stop.

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    I'm glad i was working today (4.60 / 5) (#86)
    by boredmpa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:15:33 PM EST
    I didn't read any of the threads, just read the overview and saw they were over 200 comments.

    It's as silly as calling Bill Clinton's comment on preferring hillary by his side code/racist.

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    thank you jeralyn. (5.00 / 10) (#2)
    by proudliberaldem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:35:10 PM EST


    Merci beaucoup (5.00 / 11) (#3)
    by Radiowalla on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:36:36 PM EST
    What an overblown moment of mass hysteria!  Thank you!

    Welcome back! (5.00 / 6) (#4)
    by Molly Pitcher on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:37:24 PM EST


    My immediate reaction (5.00 / 14) (#5)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:44:00 PM EST
    when people accuse Hillary of saying something "red-flag horrendous" is that it's obvious character assasination.

    After 3 days of hearing nothing but ulterior motives surrounding why she won Kentucky, now her quoting of history is a veiled death wish?

    As I've said in another post, if she were wishing a repeat of 1968, then SHE is Kennedy.  Why would she be out to get HERSELF?

    Sometimes I think she is a masochist to put up with this nonsense.  But for me, of course, it seals my decision about this race.


    I was thinking that very same thing...I have said (5.00 / 8) (#166)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:33:37 PM EST
    before, many Americans don't even deserve her to be in their corners.  She will be president of the entire country, not just the supposed chosen ones.  Even if you are not a supporter of HIllary, you have to admire her tenacity and her fighting spirit.  I don't think this is an underestimation....obama would have broken apart like a house of cards if he was being targeted like Hillary has.

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    His legion of Obamatrons (none / 0) (#268)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:13:17 PM EST

    won't let him be targeted.  

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    Thank you Jeralyn. (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by madamab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:44:50 PM EST
    Thank goodness I missed the freakout.

    Amazing how we can fly off the handle at the least little thing!

    I was hoping you would be my back-up on the (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:35:37 PM EST
    other threads when I mentioned that this was being perpetrated by trolls and obamaphiles...It actually scared me that this "the sky is falling" rhetoric was soaked up by so many.  Some of us cracked under the pressure; I don't forsee it happening again.

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    Awwwww.... (none / 0) (#211)
    by madamab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:53:03 PM EST
    sorry I wasn't there for ya! :-)

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    next time.... (none / 0) (#242)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:04:16 PM EST
    Well said, Jeralyn (5.00 / 12) (#8)
    by bluejane on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:44:56 PM EST
    "Hysteria" puts it succinctly. Thanks for counseling a moderate tone.

    Hope the two of you (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by NJDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:46:18 PM EST
    have a nice dinner--you both deserve it!

    Well (5.00 / 11) (#12)
    by mm on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:47:59 PM EST
    I understand the Keith Olberman is about to turn this into Mt. Everest.  

    All I'll say is Hillary is being treated unfairly here.

    What else is new?

    since no one will be watching or listening (5.00 / 11) (#19)
    by bjorn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:50:38 PM EST
    will KO really be talking?

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    What is the sound (5.00 / 9) (#22)
    by madamab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:51:32 PM EST
    of one Keith talking?

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    KO is like "a tree falling in the forest, (5.00 / 4) (#120)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:23:46 PM EST
    and there's no one there to hear it" Does it make a sound?

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    yeah....wah wah wah wah wah wah (none / 0) (#173)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:36:42 PM EST
    His shorts are in such a bunch (5.00 / 8) (#21)
    by Radiowalla on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:51:07 PM EST
    that he'll likely strangle himself.

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    Is that all he said?! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by themomcat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:51:50 PM EST
    I no longer watch MSNBC.

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    If you're asking (5.00 / 10) (#50)
    by reynwrap582 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:03:59 PM EST
    It was Jeralyn that said "All I'll say is Hillary is being treated unfairly here."

    KO dedicated a special comment to it and probably spent about 3/4 of the show on it.  I didn't watch it, I just had to see if he was really going to do it.  What a nut job.

    The fact that they're trying to claim Hillary mentioned RFK's assassination as a way to reference the potential assassination of Obama as the reason she's staying in the race...well, it's ridiculous.  

    That's not even a reason to stay in the race in the first place, since I'm assuming even if it did happen, the Democratic party isn't going into November with no candidate.

    The only people convinced by these stories are people already squarely in Obama's corner.  I don't think anyone undecided or for Hillary are convinced.

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    Good Grief! (5.00 / 6) (#108)
    by themomcat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:11 PM EST
    Is there nothing that Obamabots will twist into something about Obama. The notion of HRC saying anything about Obama being assassinated is just insane. I read the question and answer that she gave in its entirety. This is just incredulous and unspeakable that her words would be so misconstrued. Keith Olberman has no shame.

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    KO is insane (5.00 / 10) (#117)
    by Jim J on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:22:27 PM EST
    Tweety is just a dweeb, but KO is the real thing -- an actual nutjob.

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    Casting call for Tale of Two Cities (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:32:10 PM EST
    who will play Madame Defarge

    She is arguably the main villain of the book, and ruthlessly seeks revenge against the Evrèmondes, including Charles Darnay, his wife Lucie Manette and their child for crimes against her family.

    Olberman?  Alexander?  DKOS?  Arianna?  

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    True, according to women who (3.00 / 2) (#257)
    by Cream City on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:14:49 PM EST
    have had to deal with him personally.

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    Can I just say, (4.50 / 6) (#85)
    by Iphie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:15:26 PM EST
    I called this on one of the earlier threads -- granted I was being sarcastic, but man, are these people predictable or what?

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    I'm watching it (5.00 / 12) (#44)
    by joanneleon on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:02:00 PM EST
    (I know, why?) For some reason I decided I wanted to see what he'd come up with this time.  I am not upset about this whole thing at all because it's so obviously ridiculous.  This will backfire.

    Anyway, Keith's special comment is really weak and contrived.  It's a complete failure.  A real yawner too.  

    Now he's wrapping it up, all about how "we have forgiven you" for this and "we have forgiven you" for that.  But "we cannot forgive you this" "deepest shame.. political assassination.. Malcolm X.. Kennedy.. steeped in blood.. you must not invoke that imagery.. incomprehension about the America you seek to lead.. this Senator is too much.. she might just be sticking around because the other guy might get shot..."

    It was so ridiculous, I am actually amused.

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    Hah (5.00 / 9) (#81)
    by daria g on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:13:43 PM EST
    Don't worry, he will pompously declare that the royal We have forgiven this when the NEXT ginned-up outrage comes along so he can blow his top all over again.

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    Of course KO posted a diary (5.00 / 5) (#113)
    by Jim J on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:41 PM EST
    promoting his Special Comment over at you-know-where, the place where all the fanboyz go to drool over him.

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    Isn't that the weirdest thing (none / 0) (#141)
    by joanneleon on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:28:06 PM EST
    When he started doing that, it struck me as being very strange.    At first, I thought it was all about his vanity and love of fandom.  I also thought he was looking for support via swarms of emails to MSNBC praising him.  But lately, I'm beginning to wonder.  I became really suspicious of his motives awhile ago.  I have a comment downthread where I throw out some ideas of what might be happening, and KO could be part of it.  Okay, taking off tinfoil now.  But hey, we know that the media had pentagon plants, so why not others?  The Wurlitzer lives.

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    Edward Murrow (5.00 / 1) (#245)
    by yourkidding on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:04:37 PM EST
    will come back from the dead to defend himself against the lunatic comparisons of KO's hair-on-fire rants to his, E.R. Murrow's commentaries.

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    LOL. (4.57 / 7) (#18)
    by madamab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:50:14 PM EST
    What's new there?

    KO is such a joke these days.

    Hillary should say to him what she said to Tweety, "I really don't understand your obsession with me."

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    opps (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by hummingbirdv on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:49:10 PM EST
    Yeah, I'm tired too.  I meant to say, let's move ON.  

    I just spent some time (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by madamab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:49:11 PM EST
    with some Obama-supporting - and neutral - political folks.

    Amazingly, this super-important faux scandal never came up.

    Go figure.

    Stay away from mydd today (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by denise on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:50:07 PM EST
    unless you want to get sick.

    and to think (5.00 / 7) (#26)
    by Steve M on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:53:48 PM EST
    that's supposed to be a pro-Clinton site!

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    Orchestrated hysterics. (5.00 / 10) (#20)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:50:38 PM EST


    They will keep on coming to try (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:29:44 PM EST
    to get her to drop out of the race.

    Obama may be satisfied to gain the nomination by any means, but if they push her out with these ridiculous concoctions of outrage that will forever be the legacy of this primary.

    The media will blame Obama for decades to come and the further away time takes us, the worse his name will be. Clarence Thomas' legacy isn't just his place on the bench.


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    Good lord. (5.00 / 1) (#271)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:06:28 PM EST

    Even I remember the pubic hair in the Coke thing.  And I was a kid during his confirmation.

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    Another thank you, Jeralyn (5.00 / 9) (#25)
    by MisterPleasant on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:53:14 PM EST
    Glad to have your balanced presence here to put an end to the knee jerk reactions.  As Obama and supporters should know by know, having comments taken out of context can be used to demean the original message.  I refuse to take part in that.  What Hillary said - based on the complete text - was totally appropriate.  Maybe a bit sad for those of us who lived through that decade of political assasinations, but truthful and honest.

    In order to avoid feeding the trolls, I have merely rated the posts of those who came here to incite trouble a lowly "1".  They do not deserve further discourse.

    Thank you Jeralyn I appreciate this (5.00 / 9) (#31)
    by athyrio on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:56:40 PM EST
    site of sanity....You are terrific...

    I've been out and about for most of the (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by andgarden on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:57:06 PM EST
    day too, so I'm happy to have missed most of this latest outrage.

    I found it uncanny (5.00 / 10) (#40)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:00:10 PM EST
    It had the same MO with the Bill statement on Jackson.  I really, really think people need to find ways to counter the use of the web and the airwaves in this fashion.  It's absolutely terrifying.  

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    Been thinking about that myself (5.00 / 7) (#89)
    by daria g on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:16:55 PM EST
    The web is driven by instant outrage and witch hunts.. Maybe the only thing that'll help is plain outrage fatigue among the general public who are a lot smarter than prominent bloggers give them credit for - they know BS when they see it, and most of it they don't even see.  This stuff is like fantasy football for politics nerds.

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    Same MO as appl ied to Hillary's statement about (5.00 / 7) (#222)
    by jawbone on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:57:44 PM EST
    the 1968 civil rights legislation needing both the movement strength of MLK, the political insight of JFK, and the legislative moxie of LBJ. Hillary was excoricated for that, with some saying she was dissing MLK, other that she was dissing JFK. She was making a point about experience and passion leading to change; the Obamans changed it into an attack on MLK, and thus racist.

    This was the beginning of calling her and her campaign racist. It was, apparently, racist to identify the strengths and actions of various individuals.

    Bill Moyers, who had been there, was so upset he opening one of his January programs with a history lesson proving that Hillary's analysis was spot on and correct.

    Same MO: Take a simple, but not most elegantly phrased comment, take it out of context, make a huge fuss about it. Gee, didn't we see this done against John Kerry? Al Gore? And BO's people feed the beast.

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    I was reminded of a Goya plate (5.00 / 8) (#35)
    by magisterludi on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:57:19 PM EST
    that has the caption, " The Sleep of Reason Produces Nightmares".

    I think that's pretty apt for these times.

    So glad I missed the first part (5.00 / 8) (#36)
    by eleanora on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:58:39 PM EST
    of this brouhaha. Seriously, the Obama campaign, supporters, and media have a problem with making everything anyone says all. about. him. I thought the Bush remarks were cheesy, but not necessarily about Obama either, just Democrats=appeasers.

    I'm not looking forward to six more months of constant, frothing outrage. What a way to practice "old politics" and make voters tune out.

    Finally - some reality/sanity (5.00 / 9) (#38)
    by Anne on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:59:36 PM EST
    Which is the reason I read and comment here in the first place.

    I have a low tolerance for people who don't understand that the mind is not meant to be an empty vessel to be filled by someone else's words and ideas, but can be used for independent analysis and thought - producing actual opinions, not echoes.

    People bemoan the inability of younger people to do more than regurgitate the information that gets crammed into their brains by the NCLB folks, but is it any wonder, when many of their parents would rather take Keith Olbermann's or Chris Matthews', or Tim Russert's word for what is going on in the world than take even a moment to see whether they have an opinion of their own?

    [Jesus - next thing you know, I will be yelling at people to get off my lawn...]

    Olbermann in his special comment keeps (5.00 / 6) (#41)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:00:49 PM EST
    saying that "we have forgiven you" - I guess refering to himself in the royal "we" - but I've never seen ANY forgiveness towards her come from him. He is lying which would make the high horse he thinks he is on right now considerably lower than he thinks it is.

    I was struck by that, too. (5.00 / 3) (#246)
    by snstara on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:04:54 PM EST
    All his 'we' this and 'we' that.

    All I could think during his carefully choreographed diatribe of fauxtrage was, 'who do you think you are, thinking you speak for every American?!'

    And to think I watched this guy.  

    No more.

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    Thank you Jeralyn, I (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by zfran on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:01:38 PM EST
    always loved ya! I just sent an e-mail on Sen. Clinton's website telling her how many of us are behind her and how I was of what was going on this evening. I asked her to ultimately run as an indepedent candidate..so many would vote for her. They obviously don't care about her, why should she care about them (my opinion). Please go and write to her..

    The sentence should read: (none / 0) (#47)
    by zfran on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
    how many of us are behind her and how I was so sick of what was going on this evening....sorry!

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    zfran (none / 0) (#152)
    by tek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:20 PM EST
    I did the same, also made a "sympathy" contribution.

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    Thank You Jeralyn! (5.00 / 7) (#46)
    by Richjo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:02:07 PM EST
    If there is no apology from the Obama camp over this issue I will be following the lead of Samanthasmom and others right onto the sidelines for the November election.

    Why must Obama apologize? (3.33 / 3) (#69)
    by Rashomon66 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:10:08 PM EST
    Why does Obama need to apologize? Do you really need his approval and apology in order for this to become a non-story? I mean if you don't think her words were wrong then why must anyone say anything? Let the crazy blogs and Keith Olbermann play their game. No Hillary supporters listen to them anyway.

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    It's (5.00 / 7) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:27:17 PM EST
    his campaign ginning up fake controversies that's the problem. His campaign needs to clean up their act. How they do that I have no idea but they are driving voters away by the droves.

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    But his campaign... (1.00 / 4) (#180)
    by Rashomon66 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:39:21 PM EST
    ...did not 'gin this one up'.
    Hillary said something that was wrongly worded. I know she did not mean it and - yes - the media is blowing it out of proportion. But the Obama campaign didn't make her say it. And his campaign need not apologize for a remark she made. Nor does his campaign control the media.
    Let's move on to real issues. To that I think we can agree.

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    His campaign (4.33 / 6) (#221)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:57:27 PM EST
    did gin it up. What she did was reference history. When Obama talks about Lincoln does it mean that he thinks he'll be assisinated?

    The Obama campaign was feeding this crap to the media. Even Obama made a statement about it. If he hadn't made a statement then you would have a point. I'm so done.

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    Beautiful Video: RFK's comments on MLK's death (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:04:16 PM EST
    This is an archival video of RFK's remarks immediately following the death of MLK.

    We can learn from this. The way forward is not to raise the spectre of riots and blood shed in the streets of Denver if Obama is not the nominee. If he really wants to honor the memory of RFK (and MLK) Obama and his supporters should call for peace and tranquility and unity in the face of loss.


    That's one of the most beautiful speeches ever (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by andrys on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:32 PM EST
    and done without a teleprompter and incredibly effective, from the heart and mind both.

      I was in London on a rare vacation and looking forward to joining Bobby's campaign when I came back, when I woke up one morning to hear the news on the radio in the hotel.  Very sad.

     

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    Everytime I see the real RFK (5.00 / 4) (#204)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:48:31 PM EST
    I'm shocked at how anyone can pretend that Obama has anything in common with him or his family.

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    More of the same (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Munibond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:04:33 PM EST
    This is being blown way out of proportion as have other completely rational statements by Clinton and her spouse.  The orchestrated piling on of blogs and media is sickening to me.

    Fortunately (5.00 / 7) (#60)
    by themomcat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:07:04 PM EST
    I have not had the news on at all today, so I was unaware of the tempest in a tea cup. I read Sen. Clinton's answer to the question. The hyperbolic reaction of the corporate controlled MSM and some of the blogs and the comments, leave me wondering about their mental stability. Her answer was historically accurate, and in context, respectful and not offensive. This hullabaloo just hardens my resolve to support Sen. Clinton and her campaign.

    Thank you so much! (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by vicsan on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:09:17 PM EST
    My sentiments EXACTLY.

    The Prize winning book (5.00 / 7) (#70)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:10:09 PM EST
    about this campaign will be how the hysterics and the blogs were used to feed the passive MSM and create the narrative.  And in my opinion, how it was orchestrated by ( fill in the blank, starts with an Axel....)

    What I am doing (5.00 / 12) (#72)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:10:28 PM EST
    is recognizing that once again, his supporters (with his approval) and media (I think with his campaign's nudge, wink and nod) are doing character assassination.  

    We have seen too much of this.  It has been the story the whole primary.  I am sick of it.

    There is already a backlash to media being in the tank for BO, a blacklash against the treatment that Hillary has gotten.  I am talking not blogs, but voters.  Read the stories. Women are angy. Her working class (non AA) supporters are as angry as can be.

    This is not organized, and not something she'll do.  This will happen on its own.


    ghost is 100% correct- the Dem leadership (5.00 / 4) (#184)
    by kenosharick on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:40:18 PM EST
    think we will all fall in line like good little sheep in Nov- but they are WRONG!!!!

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    How dare you say all working class whites are (5.00 / 3) (#232)
    by prittfumes on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:01:47 PM EST
    non-AA? You didn't say white? No matter, I can assume that's what you meant with no justification whatsoever. Just trying to make a point. But that's how ridiculous it's getting. They can't get Hillary to quit but they keep trying to neutralize her by making her afraid to open her mouth. Now certain well-known bloggers have turned their guns on the superdels. Go ahead guys, keep digging your own grave. Oops, I said "grave"!!! Is that "g" word on the Disallowed List? Excuse me. Go Hillary! All the way to the convention. We've got your back.

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    Excuse me, a clearer wording would have been (none / 0) (#254)
    by prittfumes on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:13:03 PM EST
    "How dare you say that all working class are white and non-AA."

    Could it be that this fake firestorm is being generated to cover Obama's floundering on foreign policy?

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    I love it (3.00 / 4) (#88)
    by madpie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:16:31 PM EST
    Somehow neither you nor Jeralyn notes the awkward irony of using the term "character assassination" in this context. Oh well.  

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    The difference is (5.00 / 4) (#123)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:24:03 PM EST
    It's okay if you use it AGAINST Hillary Clinton, but if you use it in any other context, it's perceived as a direct affront toward Obama.

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    I see we read the same manual ;) (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:26:56 PM EST
    In fact, I noticed that. (5.00 / 1) (#227)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:00:09 PM EST
    But then I thought, screw the PC and the fake outrage machine.  

    Otherwise, I think I would be left with a few pronouns and 'is' in my vacabulary.

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    ooh! ooh! (4.72 / 11) (#100)
    by Jim J on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:19:28 PM EST
    Someone said "assassination!" But, but, they can't say that! If the word comes out of your mouth or is typed by your fingers it means you want to kill somebody!

    Outrage, I say!

    I say again: Outrage!

    </whining Obama supporter trying to drum up a controversy on a Memorial Day weekend>

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    No, no, NO! (4.66 / 3) (#131)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:25:51 PM EST
    It's ok as long as it involves her, not him or what could be perceived as him. And I think we are at the point where she is the only thing that can pass the 'not perceived to be Obama' test.

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    Don't say "Memorial" (4.33 / 6) (#110)
    by Shawn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:18 PM EST
    Don't say "Day", either. (5.00 / 0) (#264)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:42:40 PM EST

    Some of us Nocturnalists are deeply offended by the heavy bias towards people who live and work during the day.

    </end horrible example of PC crap that infects Obamabots and the likes of similar "progressives" today>

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    This is why I love TalkLeft (5.00 / 5) (#78)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:13:00 PM EST
    Jeralyn rocks! I'm making a donation now, and I encourage others to do the same. BTW -- for a good reaction on the faux-outrage, check out riverdaughter's "Where was Ariana in 1968."

    My donation will go to Clinton, although (5.00 / 0) (#87)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:15:50 PM EST
    Talk Left is indeed a worthy cause.

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    I made one to Hillary too (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:22:51 PM EST
    Show her that I'm still standing with her.

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    Touching and sad. (none / 0) (#241)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:04:11 PM EST
    My Yankees are finally winning and I'm sitting here with tears in my eyes. Thanks for the link, really puts things into perspective.

    I posted RFK Jrs comment over at another forum and the response was . . .

    "I'm certain there will be those who continue to defend her."

    WTF?!

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    Oh gees (none / 0) (#253)
    by Valhalla on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:11:40 PM EST
    I started to cry even before I started the video.

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    Thank you Jeralyn (5.00 / 5) (#106)
    by Andy08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:20:41 PM EST
    Your post is along the lines of my comments. I couldn't agree more. The manufactured reaction (including BTD sadly) is absurd.

    But...BIG BUT..BTD corrected his first impression. (none / 0) (#244)
    by jawbone on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:04:37 PM EST
    That's what's missing from the Big Blogger Boyz. And the MCM of course.

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    We are through the looking glass (5.00 / 13) (#109)
    by mkevinf on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:13 PM EST
    when Hillary Clinton can be reproached for referencing Bobby Kennedy's primary campaign that ended tragically with his assassination.  It was all about a primary going into June.  Pure and simple.
    And now, Rep. Clyburn is stating that "This is beyond the pale(sic-NYTimes)"  
    How dare he!!!!  I have reached the tipping point with the entire Obama campaign, and with the idiocy of the mainstream media.
    I am nearly in tears writing this.  I am a 60 year old white male who has voted Democratic through thick and thin.  I thought I could get behind Obama if Hillary didn't win the nomination.  But with the steady stream of sexist comments by the punditocracy, the questioning of her motivation for staying in a race that we, her supporters, want her to continue to run, the effort to push her out and to accuse Hillary of splitting the party -- and now this absolute idiocy -- I can not do it.  I can not vote for a man who has been embraced by all the misogynistic boys in Democratic leadership and the media.  I can not vote for a man who enjoys the support of a James Clyburn, a man who willfully has taken this comment and other factual comments by Hillary completely out of context.
    Did they think she wanted to wake up some would-be assassin?  What the hell do they really think she meant and why?  If we had real media, the headlights would be turned on Clyburn and not on Hillary.
    This is awful, just awful.
    I can not believe that I will leave the presidential candidate button untouched in November if Obama wins the nomination, but I can not affirm the tone and tactics employed by him, his surrogates and the alien life forms called the mainstream media.

    60 yr (5.00 / 7) (#147)
    by tek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:29:54 PM EST
    old female here, I cannot believe Obama says that the older generation needs to be "tutored" by the "youth" because we are unenlightened and latent racists.  The white Democratic baby boomers in this country are the people who fought alongside African Americans in the South to make sure they got civil rights.  If it weren't for our generation and the generations before us there would not be civil rights for blacks and Obama could not be running for president.  I think the man is ignorant of American history and is an ingrate.

    I've read several posts today where people said they were going to stay at home or they were going to try to support Obama if Hil isn't the nominee, but after this flap they've decided to vote McCain.

    (Ever get the eerie feeling that this may be what the D. C. Dems want)?  It's all way weird.

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    I agree completely with this statement. (none / 0) (#272)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:14:26 PM EST

    If I could rate a 10 on it I would.

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    These were the same people (5.00 / 6) (#159)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:55 PM EST
    who defended KO when he said a SD needed to "take Hillary into a room and only he come out." Yep -- they have absolutely no credibility.

    I guess (5.00 / 5) (#161)
    by Step Beyond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:32:26 PM EST
    someone shot the unity pony. Poor pony. It never stood a chance.

    Oh yeah, that pony is soooo dead (5.00 / 5) (#179)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:38:49 PM EST
    Maybe that was the real point of ginning up this fake outrage.

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    Don't cry (5.00 / 3) (#236)
    by befuddled on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:02:44 PM EST
    It was just a hollow plastic pony.

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    Hillary's June remark (5.00 / 3) (#162)
    by norris morris on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:32:32 PM EST
    As usual the Obamites have taken Hillary's remark about Robert Kennedy's June campaign as a date reference was turned into an "assassination" attribution by cuckoo Obamatons as Camp Obama still tries very hard to damage HRC in any way possible.

    This is so absurd-anyone (5.00 / 5) (#163)
    by kenosharick on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:32:41 PM EST
    wanna bet how long the MSM hypes the hell out of this nothing story? I say TWO SOLID WEEKS. I think that I am getting to the point now where I will enjoy watching the Obamamaniacs wither under the coming republican assults. And him lose by 100 EVs or more. I guess this makes me a bad person, but I do not care anymore.

    Me neither (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:42:57 PM EST
    He can explain that he is not a one man al quaeda sleeper cell from here until the second coming of Jesus or Mohammed, whichever comes first, for all I care.

    As the man said, get the popcorn and enjoy the entertainment.

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    I don't (5.00 / 0) (#200)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:47:05 PM EST
    think it will last that long. They'll become bored and talk about something else.

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    But no one remembers January of '68 (5.00 / 6) (#164)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:32:47 PM EST
    for the love of god.  She was using an example everyone remembers.  Everyone has June of '68 as a touchstone and knows there was a campaign in progress.

    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, and in this campaign season, that is saying something.

    I'll add that whenever I think (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:50:23 PM EST
    of a Democratic primary in June, RFK's assassination is exactly what I think of.  I'll bet lots of people old enough to remember do the same.   I didn't even remember until Hillary started bringing it up that Bill hadn't clinched it until June.  RFK is what comes to mind.

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    I am so angry (5.00 / 9) (#165)
    by dianem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:33:33 PM EST
    I'm angry at the media for encouraging this. I'm angry at Axelrod for pushing this. And I'm absolutely certain that if he didn't actually dig this issue u and promote it he certainly created the foundation for it to happen. How can anybody be so cynical? Axelrod is just another Rove. I don't want Rove in my party. I was afraid that the Democratic Party would become like the Republican Party in order to defeat them, and I am seeing my fears come true.

    But mostly I am angry at Obama, for pretending that he is above dirty politics and participating in this charade. He is a hypocrite, and I hate hypocrisy. Axelrod has his job - getting Obama elected. Obama is supposed to be a leader, not a Potemkin warrior who is propped up by a party machine that is the most ruthless in modern Democratic history. And people bought it. And the Democratic Party is now divided. He turned triumph into tragedy. How can I forgive him, much less support him as President?

    It (5.00 / 2) (#176)
    by tek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:37:54 PM EST
    is tempting to wonder if Obama is another Manchurian Candidate.  

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    The MCM's thumb on the scale, as Somerby calls (5.00 / 0) (#230)
    by jawbone on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:01:13 PM EST
    it when the press clearly takes a side and misstates a situation to boost their candidate.

    They just love picking our presidents. (Hey, MCMers--take a look at how well your choices work out for us.)

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    At this point (5.00 / 1) (#237)
    by Monda on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:02:49 PM EST
    it is tempting to wonder what will happen to free speech under Obama's presidency?!  

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    About those people in Puerto Rico, (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by Iphie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:35:55 PM EST
    aren't you even going to wait until a majority of them have voted for Clinton before you dismiss them out of hand? What is it you have against Puerto Ricans?

    What are you talking about? (none / 0) (#217)
    by rebrane on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:55:10 PM EST
    Puerto Rico is not a state.

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    Thank you Jeralyn (5.00 / 5) (#178)
    by katiebird on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:38:40 PM EST
    I was afraid to come back but, I'm glad I did.

    Your opinion indeed (5.00 / 6) (#189)
    by MisterPleasant on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:41:45 PM EST
    So discussing historical perspectives from a previous primary are out of bounds?  Frankly I find that as ludicrous as stating that it is playing the race card to mention the racial makeup of the primary votes.

    It is certainly your right to read into Hillary's statement whatever you wish, but every one of us has our own perspective, and will draw our own conclusions.  Indeed it was a sad moment from our past, but I for one find no reason to consider it out of bounds to bring it up.  

    I'm not going to get into the race card stuff (1.00 / 4) (#209)
    by myopinions on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:50:41 PM EST
    Different people will have differing views. If you're looking at Appalachia, then Obama can't get the votes of white people of modest means. If you're looking at Wisconsin and Oregon, you'll reach a different conclusion.

    As far as the RFK comments go, I think they were bizarre, but it doesn't really matter what I think. I mean, I think everything that comes out of Bush's mouth is bizarre and I've thought that from the beginning, but he's president.

    We'll all see how this plays out in the next week, but I think Hillary Clinton just swung strike three within the Democratic Party. I really do. It's sad to see it end this way, but sometimes life isn't very happy.

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    Absurd. (5.00 / 3) (#191)
    by Marco21 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:42:53 PM EST
    Of course Keith Olbermann is there for extra hysterics.

    I am sorry, you'd have to be an idiot to think she was talking about Obama being assassinated.

    .
    100% dolt.

    Absolutely (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:45:05 PM EST
    If she were intent on destroying her own campaign, that would be a way to do it.

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    Funny how... (5.00 / 3) (#213)
    by Marco21 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:53:39 PM EST
    the talking head who mentioned having a superdelegate take Hillary into a back room to get slapped around is the voice of "progressive" outrage.

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    Olbermann (5.00 / 6) (#210)
    by daria g on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:52:24 PM EST
    Seems to forget that he personally stated that a [male] super-superdelegate should take Hillary into a room and only he comes out?  Implied violence against women is A-OK, twisting Hillary's remark in order to gin up ratings for another Special Comment?  No problem!

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    Absurd (5.00 / 2) (#223)
    by Monda on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:58:45 PM EST
    doesn't even describe this.  Olbermann is the same sexist pig who said "don't let her come out of the room" and now he is screaming about this?!  The same idiot who went crazy about the non-existing passport story, blaming the Clintons?  
    I've had it with these people.  I've had it with this election.  I think Hillary really should drop out and go rest until November, her and Bill both.  If she campaigns one day for the DNC and its nominee, she is stronger than any woman, man I know. Or actually maybe not human (as they accuse her not to be.)  Because any human being denigrated to this point left and right would have not resisted so far.  

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    This is exactly what occurred to me (5.00 / 7) (#205)
    by suskin on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:48:57 PM EST
    "Mark my words.  If they do the same with this as they did with LBJ comment, Hillary's supporters who won't [vote] for him will rise to 80%. "

    ..the minute I heard this flap.  I saw the clip with Wolf Blitzer trying to treat HRC's comment like it was actual news and all I could think was - this is going to back fire.  HRC (and women in general) have taken a lot of crap this campaign season, but even so, by nature, women are healers and they may very well have realigned with Obama if he won the nomination.  But there's a line past which we cannot cross without completely sacrificing our honor and self-respect and this may very well be that line.  

    I would think this demonstration of outrage over a comment that was taken out of context and manipulated to have sinister meaning which was never intended should give this country pause.  Are we a nation in which we have to carefully watch every word we utter?  Does it mean that if Obama becomes President, no one can citizen him?  This is very eerie to me, the thought that politicians will be "owned" by Obama because the political climate is so charged that if they don't bow to his wishes their political lives will be over.  


    I think you meant "criticize" (none / 0) (#267)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:09:35 PM EST

    not citizen, but YES, you are entirely correct.  We have become a nation where you can't say anything without twisting SOMEONE'S shorts in a knot.

    Remember that these little Obamatrons are from the same part of America where it's not PC enough for one to say black.  You have to say African American (and G-d forbid you, as a non-AA, say "negro", lest you want to see a bunch of bricks hit the floor).  That's what "progressive" means in these babies' heads these days (and I say BABIES because most of them are idealistic little babies).  They shift uncomfortably when old black and white men talk about the days of the struggling "Negroes" during the terrible and wonderful times before and during the Civil Rights movement without blinking an eye.  They protest Abercrombie & Fitch when they put out "racially insensitive" t-shirts, all the while ignoring the fact that Asians themselves still put out items/products with "racially insensitive" iconography/graphics on them.

    These kids are driving the English language and American temperment into a Doubleplusungood existence.  And they're the ones always whining about Big Brother.

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    I'm an Obama supporter (5.00 / 3) (#262)
    by dell on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:25:56 PM EST
    ...and I put this right up there with 57 (varieties of) states and bitter/cling.  

    That any of these people can talk any sense at all at this point is astounding.  That they occasionally mangle their own meaning, particularly when trying to make points that can be taken the wrong way is, given their exhaustion, entirely unsurprising.

    OTOH, if you were a producer on a cable news show on Friday night on Memorial Day weekend, which would you go with: this, or John McCain's gallstones, kidney stones and colonoscopy (film at 10!!)?  Much as we all criticize the media, we all know the answer.

    MSNBC reprehensible (5.00 / 0) (#263)
    by fctchekr on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:40:35 PM EST
    Ober had Alter on today... they had at Hillary over this. It was another bout of extreme tabloidism-  

    The point is that those two primaries lasted until June. Anyone living through those elections will always associate primaries and June with Clinton and Kennedy. So, if she hadn't spoke of the assassination, she'd probably get even more strife for inferring it.

    It will be intriquing to watch which media outlet focuses on this all weekend.

    Complaints should be made to the FCC/Fair.org for failure to meet up to standards of fair and equal reporting..MSNBC, CNN, NBC all should be penalized for baised unfair coverage..

    Jeralyn (4.90 / 10) (#124)
    by tek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:24:26 PM EST
    Thank you so much.  Hillary and her supporters need rational blog editors to fend off the spin.  I liked in her reply she noted that she has RFKs New York Senate seat.  I think that gives her a right to refer to him.

    It would be so wonderful if Hillary were president and RFK, Jr. ran for that seat.  We saw him in Kentucky a few months ago and were totally impressed.  He's nearly as articulate and smart as Hillary.

    Yes, this is silly. (4.87 / 8) (#45)
    by Llelldorin on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:02:01 PM EST
    I say this as an Obama supporter—this is indeed silly. This campaign would be a lot less irritating if we didn't pounce on every inapt comment by two exhausted candidates ("the claws come out", or "hard-working white voters") as if it were the final proof that our less-favored candidate were evil incarnate.

    The candidates are nearing the edge of human endurance. This campaign started earlier than ever, and is dragging on to the very last primaries and beyond. They're going to say silly things, and say things badly. That's what happens when you spend half a year or more pretending that coffee and sleep are the same thing.

    thank you (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by kempis on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:08:39 PM EST
    As a Hillary-supporter, I appreciate that. :)

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    Everyone needs to chill (4.85 / 7) (#127)
    by befuddled on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:24:58 PM EST
    This is just the most pathetic attempt to find something to criticize Clinton over and make her jump, stir the media pot, hit a few raw nerves. We can't succumb to the idea that every mention of the past is a veiled threat. Buck up guys, BDT too. Remember the real point, that it ain't over until the convention.

    FWIW (4.83 / 18) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:59:23 PM EST

    I think it is clear I overreacted and I think this statement from the persons in the room is definitive:

    The Argus Leader's Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

    "The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."

    While Keith Olbermann's incredible stupidity makes me ashamed that I was even a part of anything that fed the craziness, I can not undo what I wrote. At the time, it was my honest reaction.



    Spoken like a mensch. Even (5.00 / 7) (#61)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:08:32 PM EST
    reading about the events of 1968 brings a tear to my eye.

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    Eh... (5.00 / 10) (#84)
    by Addison on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:15:12 PM EST
    ...Keith Olbermann's angry clown act tonight gave Somerby enough material for the rest of his life.

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    Heh (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by Steve M on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:18:04 PM EST
    Is there a TINS diary on this?? :)

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    Right now... (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by Addison on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:43:28 PM EST
    ...that's like asking if there's a 1987 penny in a swimming pool full of pennies. There are too many pennies to make noticing one particular one possible.

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    Addison, you are a good person. (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by Teresa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:18:46 PM EST
    I always read your comments at DK and you are one of the classy people who tried to bring some reason to this primary. Thank you.

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    Addison... (5.00 / 1) (#225)
    by OrangeFur on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:59:50 PM EST
    Thanks for your contribution to TL. It can't be easy for an Obama supporter in such a pro-Clinton place.

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    It's what made me ashamed (4.50 / 10) (#99)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:19:04 PM EST
    to have had any part in this.

    I should have known what was coming and I did not think about it.

    My posts were irresponsible. I should have lowered the temperature, not raised it.

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    IMHO (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by Jackson Hunter on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:17 PM EST
    You were just being an analyst, even though I don't think you agree that this is a veiled threat (which you don't) it still will have an impact on the race, and you knew that.  No one here is going to hold it against you for very long.  I'm glad to hear the 10 days thing is starting again tomorrow.  WOO-HOO!

    Don't beat yourself up too much hombre.

    Jackson

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    You're human? (5.00 / 4) (#215)
    by Coldblue on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:54:49 PM EST
    Who knew?

    Seriously, you run rings around most of us with your perspective. Keep up the good work.

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    That's what I really like about you (5.00 / 2) (#247)
    by lisadawn82 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:05:24 PM EST
    You're able to take a deep breath and a step back to reevaluate your positions.  We all get caught up in the moment sometimes.  I just hate the way we allow them to determine the narrative and drive our conversations.  It's aggravating beyond measure.

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    Thank you BTD (5.00 / 1) (#258)
    by christinep on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:20:04 PM EST
    You are a good, honest person. It takes a lot to undo an error and not retreat to a defensive position. From what I've seen in months of reading here, you have heart.

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    Now get back to writing the (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:17:15 PM EST
    "10 Days" thing.

    You have a readership...get to it buddy.

    :)

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    Indeed (5.00 / 4) (#103)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:19:40 PM EST
    Recount Section of the 10 Days starts tomorrow.

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    Oh good. Climb back on that horse. (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:30:05 PM EST
    Nice that you posted... (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:45:47 PM EST
    RFK Jr.'s statement.

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    I too had a strong negative reaction initially (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by riddlerandy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:19:37 PM EST
    Not so much now, although I am sure she regrets what she said.

    My guess is that, like of a lot of persons of her age and political views, she was pretty Bobby was killed, and with the the 40th anniversary upon us, and with Ted being in the news, Bobby was on her mind.   I also thought she looked a bit tired, which doesn't help.

    However you view it, however, this is likely to push more supers to the Obama camp.

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    I doubt it (5.00 / 17) (#112)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:40 PM EST
    In many ways, Keith Olbermann is her best surrogate.

    If you saw his performance tonight nothing could be more disgusting!

    There is no worse figure in the Media than Keith Olbermann and if Jeralyn permits, I will also start a crusade against him.

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    Count me in. (5.00 / 6) (#119)
    by suki on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:22:57 PM EST
    Start a crusade? Seems like (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:21 PM EST
    it has been underway for awhile.

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    Just start a satellite blogspot blog... (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by Addison on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:47:23 PM EST
    ...because railing on Keith Olbermann as a fleshed-out theme -- with the detail that would be needed -- really doesn't seem like a good fit for TalkLeft at all.

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    I started boycotting (5.00 / 4) (#206)
    by themomcat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:49:19 PM EST
    "Countdown" about the same time I stopped going to the orange bubble. They are now irrelevant to me.

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    It might (5.00 / 8) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:24:51 PM EST
    push more supers to Obama but it's going to push more voters away from Obama.

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    And why is that? (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by riddlerandy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:26:00 PM EST
    Because (5.00 / 9) (#174)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:37:22 PM EST
    it's disgusting and twisting of words. To imply that she wants Obama assisinated is beyond hysterical and downright evil coming from the Obama campaign. Already her supporters are leaving the party in droves. People are sick of him and his campaign and thier divisiveness. Why would you want a President so totalitarian that you can't even mention historical events without him whining and calling you names?

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    I havent seen Obama say anything about it (none / 0) (#183)
    by riddlerandy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:40:17 PM EST
    Obama (5.00 / 5) (#216)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:54:53 PM EST
    issued a statement implying that she wanted him assassinated saying that what she said had "no place in a campaign" WTF???? Now we can't mention history, we can't mention the fact that Obama is black, we can't mention the fact that he's unqualified, we can't mention the fact that he has bad associations. If the super d's nominate him they are going to be so blasted in Nov. when he goes down in a landslide. We have a lot of problems in this country right now and the last thing we need is some kind of totalitarian language freak.

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    Burton made a statement about it (5.00 / 2) (#224)
    by RalphB on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:58:49 PM EST
    and it was truly pathetic whining.  My sincere thanks to him from a strong Clinton supporter and a tepid McCain supporter.

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    Because it's not about (none / 0) (#196)
    by zfran on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:43:54 PM EST
    him personally!!!

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    So her inartful statement is going to hurt (1.00 / 1) (#218)
    by riddlerandy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:56:13 PM EST
    Obama even though he did not respond to it?  You are making no sense

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    Me too. (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by Iphie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:27:24 PM EST
    I think overreacted (slightly, I said I think she should apologize to the Kennedys and be done with it), but I think now that my reaction was more a sense of -- oh, no, what are they going to do with this one, and less that she had actually done anything wrong. It was more dread at the Obamabots reaction, and a wish that she would do something to ameliorate that. I can't stand that even I feel that she has to be more careful than anyone else is expected to be out of fear of upsetting his fans.

    And how many people does KO think are going to be tuning in Friday evening before a long weekend to listen to him rant?

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    please excuse me for venting. (4.83 / 6) (#55)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:06:01 PM EST
    I will be good.

    Many people are thinking what (4.66 / 6) (#76)
    by jpete on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:12:03 PM EST
    you were saying.  We're not at a good time, and I think Obama supporters have a great deal of the blame.  

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    RFK, Jr. understands the context and (4.83 / 6) (#82)
    by Teresa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:14:07 PM EST
    isn't offended. Maybe he needs to go on KO's show and show him to be the nasty POS he's turned out to be.

    Heh (5.00 / 7) (#92)
    by Steve M on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:17:04 PM EST
    I strongly suspect no one in the Kennedy clan, whether they support Clinton or Obama, has any interest in exploiting RFK's assassination to score a point over this.  Just a hunch.

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    Did he say so? (4.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:17:02 PM EST
    Yes. The post is in the comments at the (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Teresa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:22:16 PM EST
    Confluence. It's from the NY Times but the commenter didn't use a link, just a quote box.

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    If you're talking about (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by zfran on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:23:56 PM EST
    RFK Jr.'s reaction, he issued a statement saying he was not offended (in essence).

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    There's (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by Emma on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:27 PM EST
    a comment from Kennedy up on The Confluence, from NYTimes.com:

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview Friday evening. "I've heard her make that argument before," Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. "It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign."
    Mr. Kennedy said he has been traveling and had not seen the video or read Mrs. Clinton's comments, but said his support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.

    Sorry, I don't have a link, there wasn't one at The Confluence.

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    He certainly did (4.90 / 10) (#122)
    by trillian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:24:00 PM EST
    Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview Friday evening. "I've heard her make that argument before," Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. "It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign."

    Mr. Kennedy said he has been traveling and had not seen the video or read Mrs. Clinton's comments, but said his support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.

    HERE

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    An honorable man....obama could take a (5.00 / 2) (#219)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:56:28 PM EST
    lesson.

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    Has he been interviewed? (none / 0) (#105)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:20:39 PM EST
    Did he make a statement?

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    She was referencing (4.77 / 9) (#96)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:18:17 PM EST
    that people stay in the campaign until June.  She wasn't referencing any individual.

    It's ON YOU to comprehend that.  Watch the video.

    Let's just say the O Camps response (4.75 / 8) (#114)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:56 PM EST
    was less than desirable. He may not be responsible for all his obsessed fans (although they think Hillary is responsible for hers)but he IS responsible for what comes out of his camp and it sure as heck didn't put a damper on the hysteria (and may have helped it). If his Campaign couldn't/didn't want to 'get' what she was clearly saying, it's on them. They could have risen above it. They chose not to.


    I think if the Obama camp had not tried to (4.72 / 11) (#24)
    by bjorn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:52:03 PM EST
    exploit this it probably would have gotten less attention.  The statement didn't have anything to do with Obama or assination.  I think Jeralyn said it best, emphasis on "june"

    This reminds me (5.00 / 10) (#27)
    by madamab on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:53:50 PM EST
    of how Obama jumped all over Bush's statement about Nazi appeasers.

    He thinks every da** thing is about him. It's just ridiculous.

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    It's amounting to (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:29:42 PM EST
    whining, and I think people will get pretty sick of the faux outrage about every single topic by November.

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    Please explain to me how Clinton's (4.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:03:49 PM EST
    initial comment became public knowledge and when, in respect to her comment, Obama or anyone assoc. with his campaign commented.  Thanks.

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    I heard it was streamed, live (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by andrys on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:18:43 PM EST
    It was unwise, politically, to bring up the point in connection with previous primaries very-active in June, which she had made earlier, but it's obvious to me she wasn't thinking about assassination as a REASON.

     Unfortunately, people who are looking for the worst or who don't listen well to context are apt to jump at conclusions they prefer or focus on thoughts they themselves had been worried about.

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    My immediate thought (5.00 / 3) (#177)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:38:11 PM EST
    was someone probably mentioned it to her recently as an emphasis on the not so uncommon fact that primaries certainly do go into June and to the convention. It was an event that the boomers and above would immediately remember and that it was June.

    If it were John Edwards still in the race, he wouldn't have made anything of it.

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    Making sense of all of this (4.66 / 6) (#116)
    by joanneleon on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:22:20 PM EST
    The things that have been happening in the media and the progressive blogosphere have been bugging the heck out of me.  I have been really wondering what's going on.  Besides character assassination, which was obviously a goal of both the media and the Obama campaign, I wonder about these two ideas also:

    1.  Why would major site owners in the progressive blogosphere allow their blogs to overflow with absolute lunacy toward Hillary Clinton?  Why would they actually fuel it?  One strategy of the Obama campaign may well be to make the superdelegates fearful of Obama not getting the nomination.  The threats to protest the campaign, along with months of outraged and crazy behavior would help make SDs believe that if they back Clinton and she wins the nom, the sky will fall.  So perhaps these site owners want to help show just how angry and explosive his supporters are.  The media stokes that fury and they both feed on each other.  Meanwhile the SDs say, "holy s**t".

    2.  The media (working with the Republican smear machine) may be playing the progressive blogosphere, fueling the Clinton Derangement Syndrome that has shown itself to be widespread there for years now.  By encouraging and stoking the outrage and craziness, and perhaps providing more than a few provocateur trolls to help, they help the blogosphere discredit itself.  There are thousands of examples of unhinged behavior for them to cite and use to destroy their credibility if they become a problem to John McCain's campaign.  No reasonable person would listen to the accusations against McCain coming from the left blogosphere, no matter how true they might be, after they see how the left blogs engaged in the character assassination of Hillary Clinton, often using manufactured smears.  McCain can disarm a potential problematic enemy during the GE campaign this way.


    I Know That I'm About Outraged Out (5.00 / 8) (#185)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:41:03 PM EST
    as far as Obama is concerned. Meaning I'm tired of all the over the top outrage from Obama's campaign and his supporters. It will be very hard for me to be outraged on Obama's behalf during the GE even if it is warranted.  

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    As long as I stay away from MSNBC & CNN (5.00 / 3) (#234)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:02:16 PM EST
    I find the flight to outrage is dramatically reduced. Those cable entertainment news stations are nothing more than agitators.

    People must be addicted to high blood pressure and outrage to keep going back to those programs. Don't know how one can go home from work and relax with voices like Matthews, Olbermann, Abrams, Cafferty, and the regular pundits in the background is beyond me.


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    Obama misses - again! (4.60 / 10) (#29)
    by Josey on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:54:39 PM EST
    a golden opportunity to display statesmanship and some of that nobility Kennedy referenced.
    But NOOOOOO - Obama doesn't have the insight to realize his reactions are being monitored.
    "Reactionary" isn't a word most presidential nominees want associated with their character - considering their control of the "red button."

    And he's so determined to incite Hillary-hate that he can't see his own knee-jerk response today conflicts with his assertion that he's the nominee.

    The "noble" nominee would have taken the high road, been forgiving and posited Hillary's comments were being misinterpreted, etc.

    imho


    I think I am done with this election (4.57 / 7) (#137)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:27:13 PM EST

    I have not been 'checked in' to the media this evening to hear the hysteria.  I just heard CNN on my XM radio of the way home from work, and Wolf was breathlessly reporting a controversial statement from Hillary.  They played the tape - all I got was audio of course - and I sat there in the car waiting for anything remotely controversial.  And waited. And waited.  Then I pulled into my garage, and that was it until reading TL a few minutes ago.

    The idea that this could be construed in any other way than what it was intended is pure BS and the Obama campaign knows it.  In my opinion it is just payback for the 'Republican ideas' episode.

    I am as of this moment not voting for Obama under any circumstances. Sorry if Hillary wanted that VP slot,which I have been encouraging her to seek and take.  She should not serve with Obama in any capacity.

    I've had it.

    Amen to that. (4.50 / 2) (#71)
    by Iphie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:10:15 PM EST
    When I first heard about this, I thought, poorly worded sentiment perhaps, but it seemed clear that her point was about the calendar, not about RFK. And now -- well, whatever, if this is how those with CDS wish to spend their long weekend, have at it.

    An article in the New Statesman about the misogyny that abounds in the coverage of Clinton. I've just skimmed it a this point, but it seems to be one of the few articles I've seen that doesn't sugar-coat or make excuses for the treatment of Hillary. Too bad an American publication won't be offering anything like it anytime soon.

    Thanks Iphie, I read the New Statesman article (5.00 / 4) (#150)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:08 PM EST
    in full (see link in comment #0). The author covers it all. Here's his conclusion:

    "The danger is that, in their headlong rush to stop the first major female candidate (aka "Hildebeast" and "Hitlery") from becoming president, the punditocracy may have landed the Democrats with perhaps the least qualified presidential nominee ever. But that creeping realisation has probably come too late, and many of the Democratic super-delegates now fear there would be widespread outrage and increased racial tension if they thwart the first biracial presidential hopeful in US history."

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    I wasn't following this story at all (4.50 / 2) (#111)
    by dutchfox on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:21:19 PM EST
    since, fortunately or not, I don't subscribe to any cable news channels on tv. I just read the Yahoo front page, which gives the AP story link a big featured headline.

    I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I think this reading into her comments is a very over the top!

    I understood her context. The media-driven reaction has got out of hand.

    Yep (4.42 / 14) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:05:11 PM EST
    instead of just not voting for Obama I'll donate to McCain. This is beyond reprehensible and Bill should tell him that this is the end. The party is done. I won't support you. 1/2 of the party won't support you.

    To the readers of this blog. (5.00 / 4) (#251)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:07:32 PM EST
    I have known Ga6thDem online (not in RL) since 2002 when we both read and commented on dailykos.  When we were mad at Bush's lies and how media was not calling him.

    S/he was and is one of the most level-headed, respectful, loyal democrats.  Always trying to reason with everyone. She is no mean partisan.

    I honestly say this to you: when s/he writes what she just did, you should be REALLY SCARED.

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    McCain's site is interesting, to say (none / 0) (#266)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:57:37 PM EST

    the least.  You know when you sign up for the Dems' sites you get your own little blogging space and spots for your personal info/bio and such...well with McCain's you get a fundraising goal of $200, LOL.  Though I haven't explored it too much yet.

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    No (4.42 / 7) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:06:50 PM EST
    s/he is blaming people like you and your race baiting and making mountains out of molehills. You guys can have your little pity party all by yourself in Nov. when 1/2 the party doesn't show up to vote or votes McCain. This is beyond reprehensible is all I can say.

    For the outrage (4.42 / 7) (#83)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:15:11 PM EST
    he could step up and weigh in on the way she has done for him on bush's comments in Israel. Instead, one of his campaign spokespeople came out and criticized her.


    Correction (5.00 / 4) (#107)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:20:48 PM EST
    left out a word

    he could step up and weigh in on the way she has done for him

    Should be:

    he could step up and weigh in on her behalf the way she has done for him

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    like I said (5.00 / 4) (#167)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:34:00 PM EST
    then he gets to be a hero for defending her. We all swoon and get back into the fold, tremendously grateful for his deigning to aid her.

    Excuse me while I puke my guts out.

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    has Obama commented again? (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by Josey on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:43:08 PM EST
    since his published statement that her remark had no place in the campaign.


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    Not that I know off (5.00 / 4) (#202)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:47:47 PM EST
    I'm anticipating his next statement, once they realize the outrage isn't having the desired effect. The WORM showing he always knew she did not mean to anicipate his mortal demise.

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    You really think he'd do something (5.00 / 1) (#265)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:48:05 PM EST
    like that for Clinton?  All primary season long he's proved himself to be a selfish, arrogant pr*ck when it comes to Hillary (or Bill) Clinton.  Obama is a disgrace to the Democratic party.  Not to say that ALL Republicans are bad (I don't believe they are), but Obama should just STFU and join the Republican party already.  He's already sucked up enough to them that that seems like it's what he wanted to do, but because Black Republicans aren't exactly embraced by the AA voting population (been reading about this...latest book I've been reading is Larry Elder's Stupid Black Men and it's got some good points) it just wouldn't have been "politically expedient" for him.

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    Jeralyn, (4.33 / 6) (#30)
    by samanthasmom on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:55:19 PM EST
    I was one of the first to post here that this whole thing is totally ridiculous. I cannot believe the outrage over Hillary's making a reference to an historical event. How can you reconcile supporting a candidate whose campaign jumps on things like this with your obvious common sense and no nonsense attitude? If Hillary is not the nominee, and I still believe that it's possible that she will be, I know that Talk Left will become an Obama blog. I will respect that and go into "lurker mode" because as I have repeatedly said, I cannot support Obama's candidacy. I'm wondering what your comfort level will be if that happens. I hope that we will be supporting Hillary together all the way to a January inauguration, but if not, I'm going to be interested to see if you can maintain your support for Obama until November. Thanks for your hospitality here. It's great.

    Jeralyn's for Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by echinopsia on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:39:47 PM EST
    BTD is "tepidly" for Obama.

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    And Sen. Obama himself, (4.20 / 5) (#62)
    by zfran on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:08:34 PM EST
    wanting to set a "different" tone to politics, we haven't heard from. Only his surrogates. Where is he on this. He has a choice, he can try and gain political points (which I think bites him in the
    end, or he can be a grown up man and issue his own statement. RFK, Jr. issued a good statement.

    I'd be surprised if he doesn't have a spy (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:48:30 PM EST
    at every one of her events and Bill's. Maybe even more than spy's...perhaps people who have loaded questions to try to get asked when she opens up to the crowd. Wouldn't be hard.

    BTD got the first question during the blogger conference call. Although, he respectfully identified himself as a non-supporter and his question wasn't intended to trap. But, it does show that you don't have to prove you are a supporter to get access to Hillary.

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    How did he have a statement (4.00 / 4) (#74)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:11:43 PM EST
    right away, it was planned.  I don't buy it for a minute.  They got the video, thew were mining for something to change the mood and influence the DNC meeting next week, and they found it.  

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    Maybe The Thought Of The michelle Rant (5.00 / 1) (#214)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:53:52 PM EST
    video has him shaking in his boots and is using this as his weapon of mass distraction.

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    Where's RFK Jr's statement? (none / 0) (#186)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
    Bamas look for trouble where there is none, again. (4.00 / 3) (#16)
    by chopper on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:49:17 PM EST
    Hillary made a simple statement based on facts in answer to the question of why she is still campaigning.

    Of course, the simple answer is that she's leading in the people's votes and in the electoral votes.  It would be stupid to quit when she is ahead.

    But, some people aren't satisfied with that, therefore she has to elaborate. So, she stated a couple more facts - Bill Clinton wasn't nominated until June, and Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June while campaigning. Simply, more reason she shouldn't quit.

    However, I think the Obama followers are in a dither because they read about Bin Laden, Al Queda,  Muslim tradition, and Obama over at www.noquarterusa.com.  It was something like if your father is Muslim you are considered to be a Muslim, and if you leave Islam to are a traitor and subject to death. Go there to read the entire article.

    The original article (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by samanthasmom on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:06:47 PM EST
    is from the Christian Science Monitor.  BTW if you happen to be visiting Boston, check out the mapparium at their headquarters.

    LINK

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    Didn't They Say obama is an Arab American? (none / 0) (#182)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:40:03 PM EST
    Apostates. (none / 0) (#270)
    by BrandingIron on Fri May 23, 2008 at 10:51:25 PM EST

    Muslim apostates are indeed supposed to be condemned to death.

    More from apostates of Islam.

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    Following your lead (4.00 / 2) (#48)
    by dmk47 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:03:41 PM EST
    Okay, I'm not sure this is as small a molehill as you say, Jeralyn, but would you not agree that both candidates are entitled to the same standard of interpretive charity?

    You're trying to incite an argument (3.50 / 4) (#90)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:16:56 PM EST
    and that's not allowed here.

    No, just trying ... (1.80 / 5) (#158)
    by Tortmaster on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:33 PM EST
    ... to prove a point. And I find it interesting that you would twist my words up as much as you complain the media is twisting up Hillary's.

    Moreover, what I wrote was truthful and historical. There are only two remaining Democratic candidates for the Democratic Presidential nomination.

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    Jeralyn, someone is posting on open (3.00 / 2) (#28)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:54:35 PM EST
    thread about this and trying to stir up a reaction.  "Tortfeasor."

    Stir up a reaction ... (1.63 / 11) (#67)
    by Tortmaster on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:09:48 PM EST
    ... or try my hand at a discussion?

    Many commentators here claimed the outrage over HRC's use of the "a" word was made up -- some type of faux outrage. I pointed out that it wasn't with a link to proof (at least for myself). If you want to hide your heads in the sand, so be it.  

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    Using DKos As Your Source, Is Like Using (5.00 / 4) (#154)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:31:26 PM EST
    the tabloids on display at the check out lines. You know the ones "Elvis still lives and seen in ......)

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    I have more faith in the tabloids... :) (5.00 / 4) (#199)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:46:14 PM EST
    Did you see Jack Cafferty today?  His question was would you let your children sell their toys to send money to a politician....and you know who his target was.  He is a complete a$$ who enjoys getting down in the mud with the rest of the idiots.  Really, I used to like him.

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    I'm One Of Those Rare Americans Who Doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#226)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:00:05 PM EST
    have a TV. I get my info regarding what the bobble-heads  say vicariously through the web. It is probably better that way since I would have thrown something at the TV long ago.

    I have liked some of the videos on C&L featuring Jack Cafferty in the past. Seems like CDS has infected almost all of the commentators now. Let's see if after Obama secures the nomination we experience a more subtile but just as lethal form of ODS.


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    payback can be a biatch.... :) (1.00 / 0) (#238)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:03:16 PM EST
    I, for one, am very much in the mood to (4.20 / 5) (#79)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:13:05 PM EST
    hide my head in the sand and would appreciate your backing off.  

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    I have some garden soil (4.66 / 3) (#101)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:19:36 PM EST
    you can use.

    Sand? It just gets everywhere and you'll be weeks getting rid of it.

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    Well tortmaster is no picnic either. (1.00 / 0) (#190)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:42:47 PM EST
    In total agreement (none / 0) (#13)
    by hummingbirdv on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:48:34 PM EST
    with your post!  Thanks. Let's move one.

    Right on... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kaffied on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:56:58 PM EST
    Jeralyn

    I go away for a few hours (none / 0) (#73)
    by Lil on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:11:00 PM EST
    and come back to this fire. Ridiculous, and I'm glad you said so, Jeralyn. The Kennedys are the Dem brand and no doubt Hillary knows that and respects it too.

    Yes (none / 0) (#134)
    by kaleidescope on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:26:36 PM EST
    It was a colorful and effective way of making her point that it ain't over till it's over.  Another feather in her cap.  The media's just too stupid or in the tank for Obama to understand the subtleness of her point.

    It wasn't even that subtle (5.00 / 4) (#143)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:29:11 PM EST
    This is pure deliberate pretending to  misunderstand.

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    You're Probably Right (none / 0) (#220)
    by kaleidescope on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:56:35 PM EST
    It wasn't that subtle.  It was a purely straightforward and brilliant way to express herself.  Which makes the media even stupider or in the tank for Obama than I originally thought.

    Clinton is so (deliberately) misunderstood.

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    You are right too (none / 0) (#229)
    by ruffian on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:00:54 PM EST
    It could not have been more clear what she was talking about.

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    I see scribe's diary has been taken down ... ? (none / 0) (#208)
    by lilburro on Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:50:26 PM EST
    I wonder how Bill Burton's statement of this afternoon will hold up as the storm diminishes..

    Apparently the phrase (none / 0) (#261)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 09:21:47 PM EST
    comments closed means nothing to you folks.

    So we go with comments disabled now.