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Pre-Memorial Day Weekend Open Thread

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:04:17 PM EST
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I realize I am too wrapped up in every bit of this crazy political season. So I am done writing for the night and maybe tomorrow.

It is Memorial Day Weekend after all.

This is an Open Thread

Comments now closed.

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    Pre-Memorial Day Weekend Open Thread | 211 comments (211 topical)
    Thank goodness... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:06:06 PM EST
    Enjoy one of the songs that just makes me smile.

    Oh...no you did not make me smile. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:07:08 PM EST
    yes you did. Kittens would have worked faster.

    [ Parent ]
    Here's another... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:10:02 PM EST
    still dog oriented though.

    (Sometimes I wish I weren't allergic to dogs.)

    [ Parent ]

    Noooo (none / 0) (#11)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:12:35 PM EST
    those dogs...no.....

    In Ialian facia bruta.  (means ugly face but in I use it as a compliment)

    [ Parent ]

    How about a kitten . . . (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:38:32 PM EST
    belly?

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, gorgeous! (none / 0) (#60)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:41:45 PM EST
    Kittens are the most wonderful critters on the planet, IMHO.  One of my two 10-month-olds is still sleeping like that most of the time, upside down and sprawled all over the other cats in pure bliss.  Hope he keeps doing it, but they usually get more sober and cautious as they get older. Sigh.

    [ Parent ]
    He just turned 2 :) (none / 0) (#82)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:51:47 PM EST
    Still sleeps like that. Sometimes right along the edge of the bed. He never seems to fall. I had another belly up kitty, he fell often, lol!  Here's his pic

    I'm trying very hard to resist getting another kitten. Knowing it's kitten season doesn't help . . .

    [ Parent ]

    Awwww (none / 0) (#97)
    by Step Beyond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:57:35 PM EST
    They are both so adorable. My dog isn't nearly so cute when he sleeps like that.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks! Yeah, my dog doesn't (none / 0) (#109)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:02:20 PM EST
    look as cute either. Plus she takes up too much of the couch when she's belly up!  ;)

    [ Parent ]
    Mine is (none / 0) (#124)
    by dianem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:11:54 PM EST
    I wish I had a picture, but I've got a lont-haired terrier who sometimes sprawls out upside down, legs splayed, tongue out, looking like some kind of upside down bear skin rug.  Terriers are the cats of the dog world. They love the sun, the chase rodents, and they have minds of their own. Our littlest one sometimes simply won't come when he's called. He's comfortable in his hiding place, and he's not going to come out for any mere human. Well, unless we bribe him with food. He's a freaking cat in dog shape.

    [ Parent ]
    Fabulous! (none / 0) (#187)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:36:53 PM EST
    And right over the keyboard, too!  You give me hope for my little guy.

    This has been my second kitten go-round in less than five years.  I lost one of my first two beloveds a year ago this fall, and living out in the country, had to wait until full kitten season the middle of the next summer to fill the big hole in the household and in my heart.  By that time, the remaining cat had been a one-of for many months and he did not take it well when two bumptious little barn kittens arrived on his territory.

    He's mostly OK with them now, but although I sure wouldn't mind a whole house full of kittens, it would be more than he could take and really not fair to him.  He's not a dominant personality and is only barely top cat now because he's bigger and older and owned the house when the babies arrived.

    Kittens rule!

    [ Parent ]

    I loved this! thank you (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by bjorn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:11:11 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'll tell you a secret (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by samanthasmom on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:43:56 PM EST
    Samantha is a Golden Retriever. 8^)

    [ Parent ]
    That Is So Cool.... (none / 0) (#156)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:27:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    thanks (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by proudliberaldem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:54:32 PM EST
    for the much needed smile!

    [ Parent ]
    You're going to make Oculus nauseous (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:00:58 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oculus will survive... :-P (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:08:42 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I know better than to click on pet photos. (5.00 / 2) (#134)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:17:04 PM EST
    Now travel photos are another matter altogether.

    [ Parent ]
    This should make him smile... (5.00 / 1) (#215)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:59:10 PM EST
    Big Brown, the horse that is one race away from the Triple Crown, is donating a portion of his Belmont earnings to the family of an NYC police officer who was seriously injurted by a drunk driver. The money will go to setting up a college fund for the son of Officer Kenneth Baribault. It's not a cute kitten, and I have a porch full of them, but it's very cool. At least, I think so.

    [ Parent ]
    BTD, YOU way over-reacted to the RFK thing. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:07:04 PM EST


    My prediction for you and BTD (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:33:54 PM EST
    Just now, I saw at mydd (a usually sane blog, at least on front page), 3 takes on this.  Josh Orton's is titled "The politics of Violence" which is simply sickening title.  Then there is Todd, titled 'context', and then Jonathan Singer who opens another thread for people to hash it out.

    Well. Josh Orton seems to get the fire started and Jonathan adds fuel.

    My prediction: if this silly thing plays out like this, I promise you that the fraction of Hillary supporters who would NEVER vote for Obama will rise to 80%.  Mark my word.  

    This is dirty and this is sick.  This is worse that South Carolina race-baiting.

    Big Tent Democrat is smarter than this.  He should see this fake outrage for what it is.  A fake outrage.

    I promise you that Democrats lose in November, and they deserve to. I promise you that.  

    [ Parent ]

    Heh (none / 0) (#193)
    by Steve M on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:40:28 PM EST
    Here is the tactful way that one pro-Obama site chooses to maximize this.

    Really, at this point, would this even make a list of the top 5 phony controversies?  What's a worse narrative, that Hillary lost because she ran a racist campaign, or that she lost because she suggested her opponent might get assassinated?  At some point outrage fatigue takes over and you don't even care about the specific reason that someone considers Hillary Clinton to be pure evil.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm really beginning to hate these people (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by andgarden on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:42:51 PM EST
    Especially the proprietor of Americablog, who used to amuse me.

    [ Parent ]
    As the comments demonstrated, (none / 0) (#46)
    by pie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:33:51 PM EST
    not so much.  

    Oh, you were kidding.  Sorry.  :)

    [ Parent ]

    Olbermann (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by stillife on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:13:56 PM EST
    will apparently have a "special comment" for Hillary tonight.

    Not that I'm planning on watching, but I hope his head explodes.

    Is it really true? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:15:54 PM EST
    I made a joke about it 2 threads ago.

    I never thought so much silliness would be possible.

    [ Parent ]

    No joke (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by stillife on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:16:29 PM EST
    never underestimate KO's capacity for sillines.

    [ Parent ]
    KO is the epitome (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:18:12 PM EST
    of everything that is wrong with the MSM.  I cannot believe he fooled even Moyers to get on his how as a credible newsman for simply saying a few obvious things about Bush, after Bush tanked in the polls.  Where is the courage?  

    [ Parent ]
    I never liked him (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by stillife on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:24:37 PM EST
    I know I was supposed to, b/c he was anti-Bush, but I just never could take his show.  He's even worse than his avowed nemesis, O'Reilly, b/c he lacks the courage to have opposing views on his show.

    Not to be sexist, but I believe Olbmermann loathes Hillary b/c she has more b*lls than he does.

    [ Parent ]

    I could never stand him either (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:36:31 PM EST
    Besides getting on Bush only after it was convenient.

    It was all the Lindsay, Britney, Paris stuff, the undisguised contempt for them. The "my producers are making me do this...ughhhhh".

    I don't think they're role models, but I don't think they deserve contempt for taking advantage of the very celebrity that he takes advantage of nor for making mistakes that a lot of people not in the limelight make.

    I thought they needed help, someone to not judge, not more ridicule.

    [ Parent ]

    Bingo! (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:52:08 PM EST
    I agree 100% with you re: Lindsey, Brittney, etc. We really shouldn't be so surprised at his sexist rantings against Hillary should we -- the signs that he hated women were there all along. Probably has a small ___.

    [ Parent ]
    I tried to like him (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by dianem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:15:23 PM EST
    Initially I liked his comments about Bush - he was the only tv personality really talking that way. But I always had a feeling that he was doing this more for rating than out of a heartfelt need to speak. He's a phony. He saw a niche - progressives frustrated by Bush - and he filled it. His rating improved and he brought in a lot of people in desirable demographics. That's what television news is about nowadays. O'Reilly is a phony, too. I don't think he believes half of the crap he says. But he's rich and famous.

    [ Parent ]
    KO (5.00 / 3) (#205)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:48:48 PM EST
    OK, let me be sexist in my turn.  

    What seems striking to me about Chris Matthews, KO, and many like them (even in blogsphere who shall remain nameless), is that they are devoid of depth and they seem to be very insecure about their own manhood.  That's why Chris Matthews gets a thrill up his legs about Obama and can't not obsess about Bill Clinton's women.  Both have to do with Chris's insecurities.  I noticed it in their demeanor even before they turned on Hillary or offended me in any way.  You know the type.  The type is opposite to say, Joe Wilson, Wes Clark (and even Jim Webb) who just have an air of confidence in that way.

    Sorry to be cruel.  But if I had to cast them in a movie, you know that Joe Wilson/Clark/Webb would play the tough/manly guy and Chris M. and KO would play the insecure, shallow, weasle guys.  

    Like any other sexist a&^, Chris doesn't have self-awareness. Barely few weeks after saying that Hillary Clinton is only a senator b/c her husband screwed up (and he calls himself a journalist?? does he have any clue about what that woman has accomplished?), Chris announced that he is thinking of running for Senate.  Apparently, we should all take it for granted that he is qualified.  

    gasbags, all of them.  

    [ Parent ]

    Do you suppose he just (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:18:31 PM EST
    simply decided to not notice that she issued an apologia until after he's made his comment on it?

    [ Parent ]
    Her apology (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by stillife on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:21:10 PM EST
    will never be enough for KO's inflated egotistic outrage.  "You, madam, are the Devil!"  

    [ Parent ]
    if candidates' words were REALLY scrutinized (5.00 / 6) (#33)
    by Josey on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:26:24 PM EST
    the media would have jumped on Obama's lie about the Kennedys bringing his father to America - or that Hillary's UHC plan would "force people to buy insurance" - or that Obama was "always against the war"...
    No - Obama's #1 goal is to destroy Hillary's persona and the Clinton legacy with character assassinations, race-baiting, sexism - whatever it takes - and indoctrinate the masses with the Obama Brand...


    [ Parent ]
    How about Obama's Hanford moment? (5.00 / 5) (#125)
    by alexei on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:13:26 PM EST
    The most deadly nuclear waste site in the Country, a serious national security issue and billions of dollars spent on trying to clean up with many, many more billions needed.  McCain knew about this when he campaigned there but Obama, states that he must confess that he doesn't know anything about it when questioned at a town hall meeting in Oregon.  And the crowd clapped.  This site drains into the Columbia River which feeds into Portland.


    [ Parent ]
    Thank you for reminding me (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:29:17 PM EST
    how the press buried that story in Hanford. Meanwhile this bs this is the talk of the blogosphere. I'm really getting fed up with these hypocrites.

    [ Parent ]
    are you calling (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:18:47 PM EST
    for the death of one of America's most beloved Murrow wanna-be's-never-will-be by suggesting that his head explode?

    I am outraged and disgusted.  I denounce, reject, filibuster, stonewall, buttress your comment and you!

    NO MSNBC for you for a week!  You're grounded!!

    <eg>

    [ Parent ]

    You forgot to call them (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:20:32 PM EST
    "sir".

    ...in that ridiculous way that only Olbermann can do.

    [ Parent ]

    Artificial (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:23:21 PM EST
    It's done to evoke Murrow, but not the real Murrow and what he stood for, but the people's perception of Murrow from the movie.  Now that to me is so disgusting.  Could he not invent a persona?  O'Reily has his own persona, KO copied one.

    By the way had not seen him in months and I notice he is getting rotund.  "Take ye to the gym, Keith"

    [ Parent ]

    He has Crohn's disease (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:32:44 PM EST
    and they could have him on prednisone which would really put on the weight -- and could turn him into a bit of an aggressive monster, since it mimics cortisol, the "fight or flight" hormone...

    So I blame the prednisone, but still dislike the man intensely.

    [ Parent ]

    I slowed on KO (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by MonaL on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:44:59 PM EST
    before he starting swinging at HRC.  The end was near when he started with  his special comments and Edward R. Murrow thing.  I didn't much like all the Brittney/Paula Abdul/Paris/Idol stuff that he pretended his producers made him do either, it was clear he liked and wallowed in it.  It was his meanness towards these people that really offended me.  I didn't like how he would put these people down on his show.  Hard to take someone seriously (like Edward R. Murrow), when their snickering about Brittney's panties.  Not that I'm a snow, but it just wasn't for me.

    Now I have a whole 2 hours of every night back since I dont' have to watch KO or Tweety anymore.  I spend it on TL reading all of the really smart comments (never the dumb ones mind you).  

    [ Parent ]

    Just watched 5 min. of KO (none / 0) (#152)
    by zfran on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:25:48 PM EST
    with Douglas Brinkley. Brinkley said that given this gaffe, and the statement she made to USA a couple of months ago, someone close in her campaign should talk with her to get out of the race. I am amazed...Hillary, please run as an independent!!!

    [ Parent ]
    Thank you! (none / 0) (#31)
    by stillife on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:26:04 PM EST
    good night and good luck! =)

    [ Parent ]
    One reason for Obama to (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:20:09 PM EST
    pick Clinton as VP.  KO response... priceless.

    [ Parent ]
    BFD -- KO doing a "special comment" (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:47:07 PM EST
    no one with any sense still watches that a$$hat. Seriously, he has the "highest rated show on the lowest rated network." That makes him the cream of the cr@p -- nothing more. He literally is preaching to the OFB choir.  To the rest of the world, he is completely and utterly irrelevant.

    [ Parent ]
    THIS JUST IN FROM ARGUS EDITORS!! (5.00 / 5) (#139)
    by AmyinSC on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:18:31 PM EST
    Since the comments are closed on the other thread, and since KO is gonna say something abt it:

    Statement from the Argus Leader

    The Argus Leader's Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

    "The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."

    So, does this FINALLY settle this?!?!?!  A non-issue from the get-go...

    [ Parent ]

    Of course it doesn't settle anything (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:31:55 PM EST
    the blogger boiz will ignore the statement from the Argus board because (1) they know it is true and (2) it distracts from their story line.

    [ Parent ]
    I know... (5.00 / 3) (#192)
    by AmyinSC on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:39:32 PM EST
    I know...Hope springs eternal that people will come to their senses and actually utilize some critical analyses.  What was I THINKING?!?!  Ahem.

    [ Parent ]
    Seems he had to make sure his (none / 0) (#138)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:17:39 PM EST
    Fan Boys would tune in . . . Gives them a little preview of his wonderous words . . . .

    ::Warning: link to KO Orange Blog Diary::

    [ Parent ]

    think spontaneous combustion....KO and (none / 0) (#174)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:32:24 PM EST
    Tweety are such gasbags, you would think that could happen.

    [ Parent ]
    This is really sick. (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by masslib on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:22:44 PM EST
    It's like the article you posted this morning.  It's McCarthyism.  And, Obama campaign is totally cynical to exploit this with that petulant statement.

    republicans rejoicing over election prospects (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ChuckieTomato on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:22:47 PM EST
    Story here

    Hate to say it, but this would be a tad (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:28:04 PM EST
    um, funny . . . .


    Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College -- he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.


    [ Parent ]
    They're right (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:29:40 PM EST
    Blacks might turn out en masse but there aren't enough to switch the state. It's Obama's failed strategy.

    [ Parent ]
    OUCH (none / 0) (#74)
    by DFLer on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:48:34 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Hi there, I replied to one of your comments (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by jes on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:33:43 PM EST
    on dKos today that said Obama wouldn't win CO or WV that got hidden. I said that that both you and I knew this election would be a route. I got 6 recs. Heh. They seemed to have assumed I meant Obama would win.

    [ Parent ]
    they hide all my comments now (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by ChuckieTomato on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:26:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Months ago (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:31:21 PM EST
    they hid all of my comments too.

    I would say horrendous things like, "he's just a politician, not a saint".

    I was shunned as a blasphemer.

    While Jerome Armstrong was out of the country, I was threatened with banning for saying that "everyone screams about the racism, but nobody says a word about the sexism."

    Those places are a complete waste of bandwidth and time.

    [ Parent ]

    A Badge Of Honor. No? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:32:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If I Was The One Running Against obama, I (none / 0) (#180)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:34:17 PM EST
    would be rejoicing also.  Mainly, because I know I would be winning.

    [ Parent ]
    BTD, et al., we do need a bit of a break (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Cream City on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:24:16 PM EST
    or at least I know that I do.  I bet that Clinton sure does, but I have nowhere near her capacity for riding out this roller-coaster campaign so well.

    I'm not giving up, no!  But I'm also feeling the need, more and more, to check out a bit here and there.  I'm reading good books, and tonight -- TV viewing tip here -- I'm going to watch TNT's rerun of one of the great chick flicks, Working Girl.

    If you can't wait until the end for the Carly Simon song that sends my hopes for the future soaring every time I hear it, here it is, with film excerpts for a holiday treat.  And a laugh at those '80s hairstyles!  

    "Let all the dreamers take the nation" -- but take a break to energize for it, too.

    Cream City... (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by AmyinSC on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:31:56 PM EST
    You ROCK!  I love that song - gave me goosebumps!  Awesome video - thanks!!

    [ Parent ]
    Abbot and Castello my faves (none / 0) (#40)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:32:27 PM EST
    Baseball and all

    [ Parent ]
    PS...reminds me of the DNC rules (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:33:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    So True....Abbott & Costello Meets Franken- (none / 0) (#186)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:35:45 PM EST
    stein is pretty damn funny!

    [ Parent ]
    It's funny (none / 0) (#50)
    by Grace on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:35:56 PM EST
    but I've read a lot of posts from Republicans who actually admire Clinton now for being so tough.  They didn't like her in the beginning but they admire her now.  

    I think that bodes well for her if she doesn't get it this time but decides to run again.    

    [ Parent ]

    MHO (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by Step Beyond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:40:47 PM EST
    Its always been a miscalculation on the Dems part to continually back down. Many people, like me, appreciate someone who clearly stands up for something even when we don't agree more than we like someone who back peddles and seems almost ashamed of their own opinions.

    [ Parent ]
    Seems to me that GOP candidates (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by RalphB on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:57:06 PM EST
    run to be President of the US while Democrats seem to run for President of the WaPo editorial page.  So they practice high-Broderism and most people see that for the crap it really is.  Obama seems to be the latest incarnation of super moderation where you strongly stand for nothing.  It's a proven loser in the fall.


    [ Parent ]
    Re: backing down (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by abfabdem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:18:57 PM EST
    I will never forget a story my husband told me.  He was just starting his career in a bank many years ago and this senior manager constantly yelled and belittled him in front of people.  Finally my husband could stand it no longer and gave it right back--really shouted him down. Surprise, the guy then complimented my husband on his guts and everafter behaved in a totally respectful way.  Weird, but that is often the case if you are seen to be weak you are treated that way, but if you stand up for yourself, there's a grudging admiration.  Can't the Democrats learn that lesson too?  

    [ Parent ]
    I saw the new Indiana Jones last night (none / 0) (#71)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:45:46 PM EST
    For a 65 year old Harrison Ford ain't half bad on the eyes you know. Karen Allen (sp?) was pretty good too.

    Anyway, since then I've been wanting to see the first one over again. Shouldn't TNT or USA be cycling the first three this weekend?

    I just assumed they would.

    Last weekend stars did it with Pirates of the Caribbean. I think I saw each one 3 times. I'd forgotten the first one was as good as it was.

    [ Parent ]

    it's being cycled on the cable networks (none / 0) (#90)
    by Salo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:54:20 PM EST
    They are such good romps.  beating the Nazis is always awesome.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm gonna have to scroll through the (none / 0) (#111)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:02:43 PM EST
    guide then. Cool.

    [ Parent ]
    Last weekend (none / 0) (#113)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:03:30 PM EST
    SciFi ran the Indiana Jones movies on Saturday.

    [ Parent ]
    Way to deflate my balloon. (4.00 / 1) (#190)
    by MMW on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:38:48 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    The Only Indiana Jones Stuff Is For The (none / 0) (#200)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:43:36 PM EST
    movie premiere on TVGN and a special on the History Channel.

    [ Parent ]
    Marie Antoinette (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:26:22 PM EST
    Did anyone read her biography, by the writer The Journey, Frazer? It's a great lesson on how a person can be maligned by the mob.  Truly, it did change my perspective, once you understand the context etc.  Fascinating lesson in how we demonize to fuel "movements".  

    I loved that book too! (5.00 / 0) (#128)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:14:27 PM EST
    And very apropos to what is going on with the msm now. I just saw "Iron Jawed Angels" last night (don't know why I missed it when it came out) -- another good reminder on how not-so-far women have come.

    [ Parent ]
    I didn't like the depiction (none / 0) (#183)
    by Cream City on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:34:50 PM EST
    of the great Carrie Chapman Catt and NAWSA, which after all had been working for half a century when the latecomers Alice Paul and Lucy Burns and their generation came along -- reminiscent of the treatment of the previous generation that we see in this campaign.  But it does reflect the viewpoint of the subject, Alice Paul.  And it is generally authentic to their historical record . . . other than that weird scene of a Quaker woman, um, pleasuring herself in a bathtub to the tune of Sarah McLachlan!  Really, sometimes Hollywood has no sense.  (Btw, for one of those historical records by a participant, see Doris Stevens' Jailed for Freedom.  And the National Woman's Party's website has a fascinating historical record of those heroes for freedom.)

    But Hollywood knows how to make a marvelously energizing film, isn't it?  And for balance, there is the Ken Burns documentary on Cady Stanton and Anthony, Not for Ourselves Alone.  Remarkably well done, considering that he usually ignores women's role -- and worth seeing just for the centenarians who recall casting their first votes in 1920.

    We do what we do today because they didn't do it for themselves alone.  We are the "daughters' daughters."


    [ Parent ]

    Every bit of what you said it right (none / 0) (#202)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:45:58 PM EST
    especially the bathtub scene! LOL -- I was embarrassed for Hillary Swank on that part. I didn't mean to imply that the movie was perfect by any means -- but it did make me reflect (especially the standing sentinel at the gates & the prison scenes) on how Hillary and her supporters are being treated now.

    [ Parent ]
    The book was fascinating (none / 0) (#58)
    by Just another person on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:40:26 PM EST
    I gained new respect for Antoinette after reading that. Unfortunately, the movie, IMO, didn't seem to evoke the Marie Antoinette from the book and portratyed her as the air-head as she is most widely known for

    [ Parent ]
    Hey, Stellaaa, see my comment #85. (none / 0) (#95)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:57:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I just saw that... (5.00 / 0) (#102)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:00:09 PM EST
    I tell you if you read how the pamphleteers demonized her and all the other stuff, it will seem really familiar.  Particularly, the anti woman venom.  It's remarkable.  Beheading was the only thing they could do, turns out she was not a demon.  

    [ Parent ]
    Why would Obama be at risk? (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:29:38 PM EST
    His political enemies have no motive to do him harm. The GOP and the SARP (Stenographic Arm of the Republican Party, aka MSM) want Obama to remain alive and well. They want him to be the Democratic nominee and they want the pleasure of beating him in the GE.

    So, stop all the fretting. He's gonna be fine.

    firstly (none / 0) (#80)
    by Salo on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:50:46 PM EST
    assassinations are carried out by lone madmen or very small terrorist cells. Oswald or Booth respectively

    They are not carried out by the powers that be.

    if President Obama were assassinated--given the history of America a real possibility what would happen?

    The reaction to the Rodney king verdict or MLK's assassination would look like picnics.  It would be a finanacial and cultural disaster of biblical proportions. Worse than Katrina for sure.

    Yet of course noone can mention this possiblity. As if talking about a possiblity will create that possibility.  One white supremacist who get's lucky in the same way that rabin's murderer got lucky could trigger an unprecidented orgy of killing and mayhem.  

    [ Parent ]

    Nuttiness (5.00 / 0) (#106)
    by RalphB on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:01:55 PM EST
    Here in TX, the Department of Public Safety has been  totally swamped with applications for new concealed carry permits in the past few months.  Local TV said that some were saying it was in response to the current presidential election.  Don't know quite what to make of that but FWIW.  


    [ Parent ]
    Salo, what reaction to MLK assassination? (none / 0) (#114)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:03:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Some urban riots but (none / 0) (#188)
    by Cream City on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:38:06 PM EST
    many peaceful memorial marches, as in my town.  Thousands upon thousands turned out.

    And the next week, my aldermen finally approved our open housing law, if by only one vote after seven years of only one vote for it from its sponsor, our first alderwoman, an AA civil rights activist.  (But she says to this day, as did Shirley Chisholm, that the sexism she met was worse, and it also made her a women's movement activist.)

    [ Parent ]

    firstly, Salo, read what you're replying to: (none / 0) (#194)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:40:37 PM EST
    I didn't say anything about "assassinations" in that post and I didn't say they "are carried out by the powers that be".

    I said Obama's "political enemies have no motive to do him any harm".

    [ Parent ]

    You mean the reaction (none / 0) (#213)
    by befuddled on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:58:57 PM EST
    of all the white guys who said in nasty words how good it was someone cut MLK Jr. down? It was really ugly, all right. Or the terrible sadness of the AAs and the civil rights supporters? Or do you mean the localized riots over Rodney King which led to his best line "Can't we all get along?" Threatening insurrections--is one being planned? I wouldn't be surprised after all the conspiracy theories I've seen this month.

    [ Parent ]
    California and June (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:30:13 PM EST
    by the way, we have an election on June 3rd here in California.  Imagine if we kept the primary date, we could have been the contenders.  

    OMG (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Steve M on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:24:25 PM EST
    You mentioned the California primary!  Denounce and reject time.

    [ Parent ]
    There are some advantages to (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:31:30 PM EST
    not watching TV.  All I know so far about Hillary Clinton's comment and apology is what I've read here.  But, I gather the Obama campaign sd. something after the comment and b/4 the apology.  

    oh yes! (4.20 / 5) (#86)
    by Josey on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:52:50 PM EST
    as usual, Obama was quick to interpret the worst possible motive.
    His reactionary comment to this event and others, and his false accusations of racism lead me to believe it will be 4 years of the public walking on eggshells.
    A nation of Obamatons?


    [ Parent ]
    Fact of (5.00 / 3) (#164)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:30:35 PM EST
    the matter is it won't be 4 years of walking on eggshells. McCain will win against Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    flat out false (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by tnthorpe on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:30:41 PM EST
    Axelrod didn't rise to the bait that he was proffered on Hardball, instead noting that HRC is a tenacious campaigner, and the Obama campaign offers this as a rebuke: "Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

    The Obama campaign is not even terribly interested in this morsel of media madness, preferring to campaign in the swing states, talking about genuine issues, and for an end to W's horrifying misleadership.

    Stop pretending that HRC's self-inflicted misery is the Obama campaign's doing.

    She put her foot firmly in her own mouth.

    [ Parent ]

    LOL! Right... (5.00 / 3) (#176)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:33:33 PM EST
    If you believe that, I have a choice bridge to sell you.

    The utter nonsense that this faux outrage isn't fueled by Axelrod is not worth the time to laugh.

    [ Parent ]

    That bridge won't be available (5.00 / 2) (#203)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:48:39 PM EST
    until Tuesday. It's having it's 125th B-Day celebration this weekend  ;)

    [ Parent ]
    This place (1.00 / 2) (#209)
    by tnthorpe on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:53:57 PM EST
    used to be reasonable, but not so much now.

    HRC has herself realized the infelicity of her remarks. She's apologized for the poor taste her remarks showed and it isn't demonizing her to say that bringing up the assassination of Bobby Kennedy in that context displayed some poor judgment.  

    When Obama used the word 'sweetie' all sorts of extravagant claims got made about his putative sexism on this blog. Those claims were as false as claims that HRC is somehow hoping for something violent to happen to Obama. Enough childishness.

    Microscoping misstatements isn't analysis--it's hysteria. Enough.

     While the blogosphere goes bananas, gas hits new high prices, the wars go on, W finds ever new ways to politicize gov't, etc etc etc.

    This little brouhaha isn't a fart in a sandstorm, frankly, as all of you here, and most bloggers on KOS or HuffPo, should know.

    It's time for the superdelegates to put this primary out of its misery.

    [ Parent ]

    Why, oh WHY is Obama going after (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:32:55 PM EST
    Lou Dobbs? Doesn't he know that Lou/his show will prove him wrong? And just did, lol!~

    nycstray, what was the story there? (none / 0) (#47)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:34:42 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Obama use Lou as a scapegoat (none / 0) (#51)
    by bjorn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:36:10 PM EST
    for immigration.  Obama made a bunch of claims about what Lou says about immigration, but he attributed things to Mr. Dobbs that Mr. Dobbs has never said and does not support.

    [ Parent ]
    and implied his comments helped (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:42:10 PM EST
    increase racial attacks against Hispanics.

    They did a good job of dressing that one down. I'll see if it's online yet.

    [ Parent ]

    Details? (none / 0) (#49)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:35:48 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'll watch for the transcript (none / 0) (#99)
    by nycstray on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:58:14 PM EST
    and post in an open thread when I get it. He's basically using LD to pander on immigration issues. Also threw in Rush L, which I found distatseful . . .

    Tonight they basically dealt with the charge that he ramps up hate crimes with his reporting. So they put lots of numbers up to his comments . . . OOPS!

    [ Parent ]

    all these people (5.00 / 0) (#45)
    by Josey on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:33:47 PM EST
    who've been lied to and believe Obama never took donations from Washington lobbyists that have funded his political career.
    Like the Iraq War funding - he switched gears when he entered the presidential race and became pure and saintly overnight.
    But campaign finance reports indicate he's still relying on his old lobbyist rolodex - through the backdoor of firms and families.

    Memorial Day memorial (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by DFLer on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:37:18 PM EST
    This weekend, please consider making a donation to the Fisher House organization. They function like a Ronald McDonald house for families visiting military casualities in the Vet Hospitals. For example, the Vet Med Center in Mpls. is one on a few poly-trauma units in the country. The injuries treated here from the Iraq war are severe head trauma and amputations etc., requiring long hospital stays. Fisher House, a privately funded charity, provides housing for visiting families. Their mission statement:

    Supporting America's military in their time of need, we provide "a home away from home" that enables family members to be close to a loved one at the most stressful time -- during hospitalization for an illness, disease or injury.

    Thank you.

    T/U for the reminder of this group's work! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by jawbone on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:50:45 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    "Recount" movie (5.00 / 0) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:39:33 PM EST
    Anybody with HBO going to watch this over the weekend?  If so, please post a little review!  I love the idea, but the clips they've been showing don't look real promising for realism.

    I've been debating watching it (5.00 / 0) (#65)
    by Step Beyond on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:43:27 PM EST
    Might make me too angry considering the current situation. But it also appeals to me for the exact same reason. I'm oh so torn.

    [ Parent ]
    I'll watch it and review it, just for you! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by angie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:15:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Got a phone call from an Obama supporter (5.00 / 7) (#61)
    by athyrio on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:42:00 PM EST
    asking me if I planned on supporting the senator this primary in Montana and I said "hell no, my husband and I cannot stand him and have already voted for Hillary absentee", he responded why and I said " With all the accusations of racists, plus the sexism being thrown around he has completely destroyed whatever chance he had with us"...This person thanked me (acting as if in shock) and hung up lol.....Gee, that was sorta fun.....:-)

    Another evil Clinton supporter. (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:44:40 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Too bad you didn't toss in that HopeyChange is (none / 0) (#75)
    by jawbone on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:49:30 PM EST
    just too unfocused to put hopes on!

    [ Parent ]
    Re: the RFK comment (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by lilburro on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:42:32 PM EST
    having watched the video, it almost seems like she said it as a point of reference:  everyone remembers RFK's assassination; it was during an ongoing primary and in June.  If you watch that video and think Senator Clinton is waiting for Obama to die then you are prey to some very paranoid fantasies.  Ugh.
    I know. It's sick. (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by masslib on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:45:37 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    totally agree (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by bjorn on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:50:05 PM EST
    She was just trying to make the point that the fight can go until June

    [ Parent ]
    Frankly (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:53:09 PM EST
    after the hysteria died down, it makes Obama look like a hysterical child. Do you want a hysterical child running the country? He's only hurting himself.

    [ Parent ]
    Memorial day pic (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:44:37 PM EST
    Here's a pic I took at Tahoma National Cemetary in Kent, WA last July 4th of July.  Notice Mt. Rainier in the background.

    Link

    Simply driving down the driveway produces tears of love and gratitude for the brave souls who lost their lives in various wars (no matter how you feel about the governmental philosophy surrounding the wars.)  

    It was an amazing place.

    /salute (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Steve M on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:25:39 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    BTD--kudos to you for recognizing that you were (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by jawbone on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:48:00 PM EST
    probably influenced by the blog/MCM swarm buzz on this Hillary statement.  

    The huge difference between you and some bloggers is stunning -- and even between you and Mark Shields, on, of all places, NewsHour. The thoughtful side of the MCM, hah! Shields brings the MCMer swarm mentality to his "analysis" of Hillary.

    But, if you hadn't brought up the TIME mag article from March, it would have taken quite a bit longer for me to realize just how overblown this is.

    So, BIG t/u.