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NBC Dismisses The People Of Puerto Rico

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:48:48 PM EST
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And it begins. Chris Matthews tonight and previously. Keith Olbermann and Dana Milbank did it before. Puerto Rico is a big joke to them. The DNC said they have a say in the process of deciding who our nominee will be. But count their votes? Not to the bigots at NBC.

The ugly racism and bigotry of NBC now joins the previously ugly sexism and misogyny. Here it comes.

NBC has no decency. None.

Any other bad actors in the Media tonight? Let us know.

Here is Andrea Mitchell's dumb statement of the night. Obama can't pick Hillary because it messes up his change message soooo he CAN pick SENATOR Evan Bayh or Governor Ed Rendell. How stupid can you get?

Chris Matthews LIES again, claiming Obama won the young voters in Kentucky. He is simply LYING. Clinton won the 17-29 group by 20 points. And now the education lie from NBC. Clinton won the college educated by 60-34. The Obama News Network marches on.

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    "We the media tell you that the (5.00 / 8) (#2)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:50:56 PM EST
    nomination is wrapped up."

    Obama simply can't claim victory tonight. Not after a loss like that in Kentucky.

    And as for Puerto Rico "not mattering. . ." Heh.

    I Think I Have the MSNBC Rules (5.00 / 7) (#27)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:00:01 PM EST
    People likely to vote for HIllary are fatally flawed - they are either women or hispanic or non-AA working class.  None of whom is worth any respect because whisper you know how those people are*.   Sadly, I think there are members of the party who feel the same way,  It's a good thing that none of those people will be voting in November or else Obama might have problems.

    BTW, have they mentioned Hillary is beating Obama 92-5 in Floyd County, KY.  That Obama, what a uniter.

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    And these counties (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:32:54 PM EST
    among many others that have similar percentages:

    Pike 91/7
    Magoffin 93/5
    Breathitt 90/7
    Owsley 90/8
    Elliott 90/7
    Martin 89/7
    Boyd 77/17
    Lawrence 85/11
    Morgan 89/7
    Clay 85/11
    Bell 85/11
    Rockcastle 84/14


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    Don't look now, but (none / 0) (#110)
    by thomphool on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:43:22 PM EST
    Obama's probably not going to meet the viability threshold (15%) in the 5th district.  

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    Oh noes (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:57:39 PM EST
    Better hope harder.

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    Broke the record from Mingo county, WV (none / 0) (#69)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:15:52 PM EST
    Obama managed to lose 88% to 8% in Mingo county.  But that was because of the vote went to Edwards.

    I guess the Edwards endorsement "helped" Obama in a way he will not like.  The margins just get worse for him now in the rural areas.

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    no mention of the yuppie and college vote (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:51:43 PM EST
    in the exit polls because Hillary has cut into that lead big time. Look at the results in Lexington

    I read on the other thread (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:34 PM EST
    She won college educated and non-college educated voters.

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    She Won (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:01:17 PM EST
    every education level
    every age group
    every ideology
    independents

    As in WVA, she not only carried her base, she cut into his.  But, of course, that doesn't matter because even the "creative class" is racist in Kentucky.

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    Hillary could pick up over 200k votes (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:07:06 PM EST


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    They (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:10:10 PM EST
    probably don't think Kentucky has college educated or upper income voters. </snark>

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    This is her best win (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by befuddled on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST
    because in this primary it is obvious that she appeals evenly across all demographics. She ranks higher with the voters, when all the demographic variables are taken into account. It is a massive rejection of Obama, and the exit polls buttress that. Even the two counties he won don't have the big margins he has had in the past (I like the county count way of looking at these), down from the margins he had in WVa. This culminates the trend that has been developing since Ohio. There is no way to play down these results.

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    Something tells me (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:51:49 PM EST
    they didn't feel that way when they called Guama and American Samoa for Obama.

    Yeah, No Kidding....And What Happened To (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:55:10 PM EST
    obama's big blowout...in the toilet I would say.
    PR is just as good as Guam; and isn't it sad to see the shallowness of these wannabe news people
    on msnbc.  I used to watch hardball everyday, now it is about 15 minutes a week....all I can take :)

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    Well Puerto Rico is no Guam (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:17:14 PM EST
    Guam had a few thousand votes total.  Puerto Rico has over 4 million residents who are U.S. citizens and can vote for President as long as they are on the mainland.  A lot of relatives of Puerto Ricans also live in the states and will not forget this kind of dismissive talk from the Obama network or his supporters.

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    Hardball trashed Al Gore the same way (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:44 PM EST
    from 1998-2000. MSNBC is not a credible news network

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    And yet Guam (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by otherlisa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:04 PM EST
    with its seven VOTE margin, was a great victory for Obama.

    Has Guam been settled yet? Weren't there (none / 0) (#43)
    by jawbone on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:05:11 PM EST
    supposed to be recounts?

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    Donna is on CNN (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by TalkRight on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:06 PM EST
    she takes the cake..

    What did they say? (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:16 PM EST
    I assume they don't think Puerto Rico should have a voice in the nomination process.  Ridiculous.  Maybe b/c I'm from New York, but I view Puerto Rico as practically the 51st state.  I wish they could vote in the GE.

    I'm sure they'd have a different take if they thought PR was in the tank for Obama.

    Well, protests against MSNBC (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by chancellor on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:52:23 PM EST
    are being organized all around the country. We'll see if the protests result in any media coverage.

    How About Us Dismissing NBC? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:00:07 PM EST


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    fox will cover it! smile! (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:19:59 PM EST


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    Juan Williams on Fox (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:55:08 PM EST
    (yeah, yeah, I know Fox) & Lou Dobbs on CNN (yeah, yeah, I know, immigration) are the only two I have any respect for anymore.

    Pat Buchanan (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:22 PM EST
    has also been surprisingly clear-eyed about the Dem. nomination.  Amazing how times like this reveal who is sane and who has been drinking the kool-aid.

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    True (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:03:40 PM EST
    and I have admitted on here before (much to my chagrin) of my soft-spot for Pat because of his resemblance to my grandpa, but I've lost track of his commentary because I refuse to even flip on MSNBC for even one second anymore.

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    Get your fill at the McLaughlin Group then (none / 0) (#101)
    by Fultron on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:34:18 PM EST
    When it comes to political analysis, love him or hate him, I think Pat Buchanan really knows what he is talking about. I have always been impressed by his commentary (though obviously not his views).

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    they were bragging tonight on fox (none / 0) (#125)
    by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:20:58 PM EST
    about getting so many hillary voters. i had to laugh at that. we'll see if it's still that way in november.

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    Question off Topic.... (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by apolitiko on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:55:32 PM EST
    .....what do you guys think about Obama losing by 50-70 percent in the Appalachian counties of Kentucky? Has it ever been the case that the presumptive nominee (at least as the media calls him) gets whalloped in counties that hard?

    I'm pretty sure (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:56:17 PM EST
    that it is unprecedented.

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    Obama did not win one county (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:34 PM EST
    in WV.

    That's not a good sign unless you're John McCain.

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    because... (none / 0) (#140)
    by northeast73 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:08:40 AM EST
    ....there is no longer a REP race and turnout was low, as expected

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    He lost every county in WV (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:38 PM EST
    didn't hear much mention of that in the msm. What it means though is he will be lucky to carry the same state Kerry did -- and we all know how that turned out.

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    Even More Troubling (5.00 / 7) (#34)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:03:04 PM EST
    He's barely winning Jefferson County (Louisville).  That should put to rest the idea that you can make up the rural vote by carrying cities.  Right now, he can't.  Kerry couldn't in Ohio in 2004 either, his margins in the cities weren't big enough to offset republican margins in the rural areas.

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    Yeah but don't hold your breath (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:04:53 PM EST
    that the msm will be reporting that -- tomorrow I predict sole and exclusive coverage of Obama "crushing victory" in reliably blue Oregon.

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    Some talk on CNN (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:55:45 PM EST
    about the difference in # of voters in KY, OR with 'no religion.'  It's about 8% in KY and 28% in Oregon, with similar racial demographics.  I wonder if the word from the Obama camp will now be that Obama has a "religion problem" and that they don't need these voters either?

    BTD-stop watching-join the boycott! (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Joan in VA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:33 PM EST
    We're boycotting the NBC channels today.

    I'll Have To Boycott (none / 0) (#67)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:14:46 PM EST
    their website.  We never watch their channel.

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    I boycott them every day (none / 0) (#123)
    by denise on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:41:11 PM EST
    And feel all the better for it.

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    Is there any concern that announcing (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by lorelynn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:59:40 PM EST
    the landslide win in Kentucky will impact voting in Oregon?

    BTD, I just watched what you are writing about (5.00 / 7) (#28)
    by bslev22 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:00:02 PM EST
    and I was shocked that Matthews would so callously dismiss the American citizens of Puerto Rico.  It's not only bigoted, it's foolish as a matter of poltical fact.  Puerto Ricans and their relatives and friends and business associates on the mainland are inextricably intertwined in so many ways. This ia a primary that matters and matters a great deal.  To dismiss it as Matthews does betrays more than the bigotry that frankly I am not surprised about at all at this point.

    Not surprising to me (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:06:06 PM EST
    after all, one of the prime reasons so many of the media elites love Obama is because they really are bigots themselves, and supporting him proves to them that they aren't.  That's what Ferraro meant by people being 'caught up in the concept.'  

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    It's Interesting That You Wrote This (none / 0) (#84)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:32 PM EST
    I asked mr. creeper today if he had any idea why well-educated, well-off people were going so much for Obama.  "They don't want be thought of as racists," he said.

    "Caught up in the concept" indeed.

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    populists (none / 0) (#130)
    by diogenes on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:11:00 PM EST
    I'd be more interested in why "working class whites" go for the rich girl from Illinois who went to Wellesley and Yale instead of the poor guy who went to Harvard unless maybe it has something to do with the fact that she's white and he's black and all the claims that Obama is "elitist" are rationalizations.

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    Hint: (none / 0) (#133)
    by frankly0 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:41:59 PM EST
    Bittergate. Wrightgate. Ayersgate.

    And it takes less education than you seem to think to notice that a politician and his camp are looking down their noses at you.

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    there is also michellegate, bittergate, (none / 0) (#134)
    by hellothere on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:29:10 AM EST
    wrightgate, sweetiegate! i could go on but i am getting tird. i kept switching channels and that tends to wear me out.

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    Hillary is stronger on bread-and-butter economics (none / 0) (#136)
    by jfung79 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:46:41 AM EST
    Want to get the economy going again, want to have health care for the family -- Hillary owns those issues, granted in part because of her association with Bill.  Obama's message is all hope hope change change, while Hillary foregrounds issues that matter to daily lives, like universal healthcare.  

    It's not about a person's biography, it's about what they'll do.  (But if we're talking biography, Bill again is helpful in lending the working-class biographical touch.)

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    because he acts like a SNOB... (none / 0) (#139)
    by northeast73 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:06:29 AM EST
    ...and she does not.

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    Why They Go For Hillary (none / 0) (#142)
    by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:25:13 AM EST
    Perhaps it has something to do with her record.

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    Can you paraphrase some details? (none / 0) (#56)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:10:34 PM EST
    What were some of the things Matthews and company actually said?  Did they say something that was flat-out anti Puerto Rican?  Or they just dismissed it as desperate to count "those votes"

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    I'm paraphrasing Matthews, and (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by bslev22 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:52 PM EST
    he said that Puerto Rico doesn't really count because its voters can't participate in the general election.  He has absolutely no clue about the ties between Puerto Rico and the mainland.  He's talking about American citizens whose sons and daughters fight and die in Iraq.

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    Matthews has said it before (none / 0) (#97)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:29:15 PM EST
    It exposes how much of an Obama shill he is that Puerto Rican votes bother him so much.

    If Obama was ahead in the polls there, why do I suspect Matthews would be doing one of his college tours from some campus in P.R? heh

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    MSNBC and PR (none / 0) (#117)
    by CHDmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:55:20 PM EST
    They have been saying for a while now PR shouldn't count. I don't watch them often, but a couple times I saw them just about laughing when they ask Hillary supporters IF they really are going to count the voter in PR when making the case that Hillary should be the Nom. They said PR can't vote in the GE so their votes shouldn't matter now.

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    BTD Is MSNBC a major station watched by PR? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Saul on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:02:46 PM EST
    If so  do you think their will be a backlash protest by Hilary supporters because of MSNBC's disregard of their importance?

    MSNBC is carried all over the island (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:09:02 PM EST
    Everytime I've been there with relatives MSNBC was on the cable line-up.  Cable TV is huge in Puerto Rico.  People are really into wireless, satellite, cell phone, gadgets, etc.

    Big suburban sprawl happening now around San Juan.

    Personally I've always felt a bad vibe about the entire NBC network when it comes to minorities.

    I won't go into all the instances but much of what they do is disturbing and not just the news division.

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    Bad vibe (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by daria g on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:46:50 PM EST
    Just look at their election coverage ads with Keith Olbermann bloviating about the wonderful post-partisan new politics, and then split screens of all their pundits.. all white people.  I don't know what the heck is going on there that they don't do something about it because they certainly could if it mattered to them.

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    As I previously posted on more than one occassion (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Saul on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:34:31 PM EST
    General Electric's CEO, the biggies at MSNBC are for Obama and have give the green light to Tweety, Keith, and the rest of those guys and girls to attack Hilary all the way to the convention in order that their TV influence will move voters to Obama.   I can bet that those are the strict marching orders given out by the higher echelon, otherwise any person worth their salt in those high positions would have objected to their attitudes and would have called them on the carpet longtime ago.

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    They're All Qualifying Their Reports (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:03:33 PM EST
    about Clinton's win in Kentucky with reminders that "Obama is poised to take the nomination."

    Obama has been "poised to take the nomination" since March.  He hasn't done it yet but from the media reports you'd think he had.

    What part of "not enough delegates" don't they understand?

    Donna Brazile (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:03:34 PM EST
    was just praising the Clintons, saying there is a lot of love out there still for the Clintons.  Blitzer started to point out something about the DNC and I think he was implying that Brazile had changed her tune.  Brazile gave him a challenging look and said "Are you talking about me?"  The whole panel seemed a bit amused.  My impression was that it was blowback for Brazile claiming to be neutral all these months when she really wasn't, and them not taking her platitudes very seriously.

    Donna (none / 0) (#118)
    by CHDmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:57:10 PM EST
    is one of the first people to jump on the Fairy tale is racist band wagon. She said something to the effect that as an AA I think that is unfortunate Bill said fairy tale

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    Yep, but now she knows we'll be watching (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:12:36 PM EST
    her again within days on C-Span, in her role on the Rules Committee -- and if Donna "Watch Me Walk Out" Brazile behaves this time as she did the last time the committee ruled so outrageously on FL and MI, it's in C-Span archives), her cover as a neutral delegate will be blown.

    To keep her CNN gig, Donna may have to be much more careful this week -- and she knows it already.  I do wonder if anyone from CNN ever watched the tape of that earlier Rules Committee meeting in the C-Span archives. . . .

    Nah.  That would be harrrrd worrrrk, and media don't like to do it, either.

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    Here's a bad actor (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Coldblue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:03:55 PM EST
    "Moving on from the meaningless contest in Kentucky, take a look at this."

    Any guesses? (Hint: It isn't a TV pundit)

    KO. It's gotta be (none / 0) (#132)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:13:32 PM EST
    although I haven't watched him in eons.  I used to be an MSNBC regular, all day and every day.  Now, I don't miss it a bit.

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    two faced (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Lil on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:04:46 PM EST
    All we hear about for months are the "rules" and now we're gonna hear about how PR doesn't count. I'm really starting to be ashamed of being a Democrat. Fla, Mich. and PR shouldn't count but we should look at the "math" and follow the ""rules...expetive deleted here.

    They Must Really Fear the Popular Vote (5.00 / 6) (#41)
    by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:04:58 PM EST
    First Obama compares it to people's heights and now the wholesale dismissal of PR by the Obama News Network.  

    I don't blame them for being afraid of it.  If Hillary takes a clear pop. vote lead, things become a lot trickier for the Democratic Party.  

    doesn't have to be that way (5.00 / 5) (#61)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:12:38 PM EST
    Clinton finishing with the popular vote lead will give superdelegates a very legitimate "out" in order to support the most electable candidate.  Nobody can claim anything was "stolen" when you give the nomination to the winner of the most votes.  Not that tricky at all.  It only takes courage.

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    except that courage is sorely lacking (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:16:53 PM EST
    with most politicians, in my experience.

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    Aren't you forgetting (none / 0) (#126)
    by Upstart Crow on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:21:06 PM EST
    the threat of race riots in Denver?

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    this recreate68 group is planning trouble (none / 0) (#135)
    by hellothere on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:30:51 AM EST
    no matter how the ballots go.

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    I have FIOS and don't get MSNBC (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by cpa1 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST
    but Matthews and Olbermann have been disgusting and both taken with themselves a little too much.  Olbermann is a big disappointment.

    Dana Milbank said of Al Gore, on Hardball 8 years ago, that the press didn't like Gore because he thought he was better than they were.  Bush on the other hand never acted that way although he probably was better than they were.  

    Can you believe that BS?

    I'm sure Barnacle will have some gems to say too.  

    The arrogance and elitism is what the conservatives always complained about us but honestly, we were never like that.  This new crew of media and politicians are pretty disgusting and spineless.  The Obama supporters are truly disgusting.

    On CNN all they are talking about are the pledged delegates and Brazile is waxing poetic for Obama.  What surprises me is how Paul Begala seems to be drinking the Obama Kool-Aid.

    I am honestly sensing major backlash (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:13:56 PM EST
    This kind of media behavior is going to create the largest tsunami of karma we have seen in quite some time.  Flush them all away!

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    Too late (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Upstart Crow on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:23:26 PM EST
    It's already happening.  Don't you think, in part, that's what Kentucky is all about?

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    please don't leave out the dem (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:24:04 PM EST
    leadership. they are so deserving.

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    I got the KY exit poll as 65-25-5 (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Exeter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:05:15 PM EST
    Two forty point blow-outs in a row would be a piping hot desert of humble pie for our supposive nominee.

    This is off topic but I have to put it out (5.00 / 6) (#48)
    by tigercourse on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:07:29 PM EST
    there. SurveyUSA just came out with polls showing Clinton winning North Carolina by 6 points against McCain, and Obama losing by 8.

    The majority of the media (who by and large love John McCain) must be patting itself on the back so hard, there grandkids will feel it.

    All States Count, Including MI and FL (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by cosette on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:12:54 PM EST
    The audacity of the DNC to decapitate FL and MI
    is undemocratic. The votes and delegates should have been counted as per their respect primaries. To go on with this disenfranchisement will result in apathetic voting in Nov. Hillary Clinton has
    been treated very unfairly by her own party. As a lifelong Dem I will be leaving the party and voting for McCain if Clinton is not the nominee.

    Iago -- the only Shakespeare villain (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:14:40 PM EST
    who is the only one who was "pure evil" -- no justification for his hatred against Othello, the Moor, as we have seen with all other Shakespearean villains. Funny you should pick that name.

    So much for the rules (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Munibond on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:02 PM EST
    MSNBC pundits are subverting the Democratic party's nomination process insofar as Puerto Rico is concerned.
    Agreed that NBC/MSNBC is no longer a news station.  It is a GE subsidiary, and GE has a stake in this election, particularly where nuclear energy policies are concerned.
    In Defense Of GE (none / 0) (#102)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:34:33 PM EST
    don't forget that they're the largest manufacturer of wind turbines in the US. And they got there with virtually no help from Mr. Bush.

    GE is not a totally evil empire.

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    You know that we are GE's smallest market (none / 0) (#105)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:38:07 PM EST
    for wind turbines, correct?  The bulk of their sales are overseas, which is why the technology became cheap enough for them to sell it in America.  Also, power plants are getting ahead of the curve by having a percentage of their power come from renewable energy, for which they get tax breaks.

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    Yes, We Are Behind the World (none / 0) (#141)
    by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:20:09 AM EST
    in wind power.  But every day more wind turbines are erected.  I rarely drive any distance here in the Midwest without passing a semi that has a set of vanes on it, traveling to a wind farm site.  There are huge wind farms in Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois.  Another one is going up in Illinois right now.

    GE also promotes solar energy, though from what I know of the environmental impacts of manufacturing solar cells it isn't really a viable option.

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    the Democratic party RULES say they do (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:02 PM EST
    Now you don't like all the rules?  The DNC said Puerto Rico gets to vote in our primary.  Deal with it and respect it.

    Puerto Ricans living on the mainland (such as myself) can and do vote.  There is a lot of travel back and forth.  We are very intertwined with American culture.  Be careful who  you piss away, Obama supporters.  The tent is getting empty.

    Don't know if its "bad acting" but (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by zfran on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:39 PM EST
    Laura Ingram on Fox was interviewing Lanny Davis and kept calling Hillary "Mrs." Clinton. Never once Senator Clinton. I called the network, and sent an e-mail saying that she is a United States Senator and altho' she is, as well, Mrs. Clinton, in the context of this election for President of the United States, Senator Clinton is appropriate.
    If she were a doctor, she would be address as such. Then Ms. Ingram went on to interview an Obama spokesperson and he was only referred to as Senator Obama, not Mr. Obama. Fox has been more fair and balanced, but I took exception to this.

    Did Obama speak yet? (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:49 PM EST
    And crown himself king?

    Malevolent actors (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:24:34 PM EST
    There can be no innocent explanation for the pattern.  Either there has been a payoff, a deal, or there is some blood ritual involved.

    This election is giving me a very bad feeling.  I am worried about the future of this country.   That the media is out of control is an understatement.

    Fox News is a refuge of balance and logic now.  To illustrate the point...

    Why isn't KY a "crushing" defeat (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Munibond on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:29:25 PM EST
    That's what they all said about NC, where the margin was about 14% and Clinton had closed the gap.

    Wolf Blitzer just said it! (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by akaEloise on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:10:43 PM EST
    "A crushing defeat for Barack Obama".

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    Are Russert and KO stupid, or just pretending (5.00 / 0) (#112)
    by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:46:10 PM EST
    to misunderstand the Clinton argument for her as a better candidate against McCain on national security?  They act like it is all about saying the same things as McCain, only a little different, when in fact it is not that at all.  The point is that she has so much more experience than Obama that McCain cannot claim nearly as huge an advantage in that area.  Is that so hard to understand?

      National security is going to be the basis of the whole campaign against McCain.  It is what makes him the worst possible candidate for Obama to face.  We can't win if our whole campaign is about calling him old and whining about lobbyists.

    Where's Howard Dean? (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by Terry M on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:52:06 PM EST
    I'd love to hear what he has to say about his 50-state plan these days, and about a candidate who has been written off by every pundit and nearly every party elite but who  demolishes the crowned nominee by more than 2 to 1.  What kind of party is this?  It can't call itself the Democratic anymore since it is afraid to count popular votes!

    Superdelegates:  don't be stupid; please, let's win a GE for a change!  This Florida voter will never vote for Sen. Obama.  Never.  Not after he has denied the validity of my primary vote.

    yeah (1.00 / 4) (#10)
    by iago on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:54:24 PM EST
    You must respect all of Puerto Rico's electoral votes!

    Now onto the results from Finland....

    It's teh Roolz (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:55:22 PM EST
    Goose, meet gander.

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    Don't you mean (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:56:54 PM EST
    Democrats Abroad? pffft.

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    um they ARE citizens... (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:07 PM EST
    in case you didn't know or forgot. They choose not to vote for statehood but ARE citizens

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    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by cawaltz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:57:25 PM EST
    I don't exactly see the Obama team screaming Guam's pledged delegates don't count. People in glass houses don't belong lobbing stones.

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    Suspoended (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:08:09 PM EST
    Because racist bigots are not allowed here.

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    Thank you, BTD. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:17:13 PM EST


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    excuse me, a$$hole (4.56 / 9) (#32)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:01:46 PM EST
    but Finland is a sovereign nation.  Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States of America.  They pay taxes.  They are protected by our nation's military and by its laws.  They are citizens of the United States.  Their president is the President of the United States.  

    Your dismissal of them is racist and unacceptable.  Your attitude is not wanted here.  I urge all TL'ers to avoid this atrocious commenter.

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    And if they move to the US, they can register to (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jawbone on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:07:06 PM EST
    vote.

    Now that's a thought!

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    If they gain statehood.... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ineedalife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:14:57 PM EST
    you want them to be Democrats. Obamabots are so focussed on winning today that they will flush the future down the toilet.

    The DNC understands this and is counting their votes. It is the roolz.

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    Sorry..cannot watch MSNBC (none / 0) (#1)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:50:49 PM EST
    By the how is Puerto Rico going?

    PR is going Clinton, last I checked (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 06:56:42 PM EST
    I'm sure the media's actions tonight will help it go even more.

    On the plus side, when sexism crosses over into racism, perhaps more people will complain.

    On the minus side, Clinton's tremendous support from Latino and Asian voters has been completely ignored thus far, and I'm sure ignoring PR'ers will be an extension of that.

    We should all focus instead on Obama's crushing defeat of Clinton for the half delegate he won from dems abroad.

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    between (none / 0) (#31)
    by hlr on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:01:33 PM EST
    the TX delegate issue (I think LULAC brought a lawsuit), Florida, and now discounting PR, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a backlash against the Dems.

    And no, I don't want to rehash TX, FL ... I'm talking about perceptions.

    Don't Like MSNBC? (none / 0) (#57)
    by sarissa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:10:47 PM EST
    Flip the channel to CNN.  I don't why we should be so aghast that people have opinions and spin things to reflect those opinions.

    new is supposed to be objective (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:14:16 PM EST
    not subjective, or propaganda. And CNN is just as bad

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    Russert is getting to look (none / 0) (#59)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:11:29 PM EST
    more and more like WC Fields.  He certainly has a schnozzle.

    he's always reminded me of (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:10 PM EST
    a bunch of potatoes stuffed into some panty hose.

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    Great Laugh!!! (none / 0) (#106)
    by IzikLA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:38:34 PM EST
    Thank You!

    And by the way... with 86% in, Clinton has just about eclipsed 200K+ in the popular vote count!  Let's hope she holds onto some of that after Oregon is counted.

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    Turtle (none / 0) (#113)
    by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:46:18 PM EST
    My mom refers to him as the turtle but I think I'll pass your comment along -- she'll get a kick out of it!

    He's becoming almost a parody of himself with all of his meaningless 'gotcha' questions.  I almost never watch him.

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    Uh...Washington DC? (none / 0) (#60)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:11:35 PM EST
    Not a state.

    A sexist too? (none / 0) (#65)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:14:20 PM EST
    The person who needs moderation is YOU.

    Oh ha ha. Puerto Rico was given no option (none / 0) (#71)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:16:38 PM EST
    ..well okay they were given the option to vote for something that the United States had no intention of giving them.

    you're excrement (none / 0) (#79)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:26 PM EST
    BTD will delete this.  

    ahhh, that was meant for Iago (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:36:47 PM EST
    I see that he has now been flushed away by the moderators.

    My comment is now left hanging there, making it look like I insulted BTD!!  lol I love it.

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    Liar (none / 0) (#83)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:22 PM EST
    I think someone has trouble controlling her emotions.
    thank you, andgarden (none / 0) (#103)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:36:03 PM EST
    Jeralyn will take care of this riff-raff.  He'll see just how an "emotional" woman deals with idiots like this.

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    Was that Borger? (none / 0) (#93)
    by datadriven on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:24:53 PM EST
    They just talked with Begala who was all concilatory about MI and had a by-line "Clinton supporter"... He was talking re-votes" "But maybe its just too late." Ugh!

    Donna was keeping her mouth shut on FL and MI while Roland "Buffoon" Martin was jammering on about, "If Hillary was in the same spot then she'd do the same thing..." Jamal Simmons (wasn't he some Clinton appointee to something or other... by-line "Obama Supporter") was being real smug about the issue.

    It's a real sorry panel. Why is political commentary so awful?

    Jamal Simmons... (none / 0) (#138)
    by northeast73 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:01:31 AM EST
    ...is a TYPICAL Obama supporter.  Smug as HELL, and basically laughs at Clinton supporters when they speak.

    I cant join them....i just cant...ever.

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    You appear to be uninformed (none / 0) (#96)
    by Munibond on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:26:10 PM EST
    PR has a say in who gets the democratic nomination for president.

    I'm running out of news outlets (none / 0) (#108)
    by Robert Oak on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:41:08 PM EST
    myself, and am wondering if it's about time I just canceled cable.  

    do you get the canadian channel?. (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:26:58 PM EST
    they do a better job on american politcs than we do.

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    Tonight: Newsflashes from MSNBC! (none / 0) (#111)
    by IzikLA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:45:41 PM EST
    You never know what Hillary Clinton you will get each day!!

    She is still tearing the party apart and bringing Obama down!!

    She is giving the Republicans all the ammunition they will need!!

    Popular Vote is not a good barometer and Puerto Rico shouldn't count!!

    However, there is a Countdown to the Majority of Pledged Delegates for Obama wherein he will Clinch the Nomination!!! (ie., a HUGE Hillary win is STILL not a loss but, wouldn't you know it, it's a big WIN for Obama!!)

    I paraphrase but I'm pretty sure the narrative is crystal clear...

    I mean REALLY....

    And she is calculating!!! (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:50:13 PM EST
    Daring to claim she is positioned well.  Everyone knows that how you are positioned has nothing to do with what you really think.

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    FOX (none / 0) (#120)
    by CHDmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:01:52 PM EST
    MY vote for bad media for the night is Fox. Earlier today Brett said Hillary has a new argument for the SDs, then showed a clip from Leno where Hillary's head was photo shopped onto a girl with a giant top, with everything hanging out. The whole panel chuckled. This was of course after having a couple stories about why would people be complaining about sexism in this race.

    Funny how... (none / 0) (#137)
    by northeast73 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:53:48 AM EST
    ...when they love to tout the "he won 11 in a row" shpeel they fail to mention that THE VIRGIN ISLANDS was won of them.

    But i guess they count....

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