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Richard Cohen Needs To Stop Digging

Richard Cohen is especially silly today. His entire column is ridiculous, but this is the best (as in worst) part:

I, too, have taken my shots at Clinton. I have done so not because of any sexism but for reasons having to do with character.

Yes we remember Dick. Bob Somerby told us about it:

[RICHARD] COHEN (2/5/08): [. . . [I]n 2005, [Clinton] co-sponsored a bill that would make flag-burning illegal. . . . I was not alone in suggesting that on the flag issue, Clinton was readying herself for a presidential race and trying to blunt her image as a harridan of the political left.

. . . Look, I know what Obama was doing when he refused to confront his minister about the latter's embrace of Louis Farrakhan. . . . He will not get my Profiles in Courage award for this, but the rest of his record overwhelms this one chintzy act. Not so with Clinton. In the first place, you don't get to pander with the First Amendment. It is just too important, too central, not merely an amendment but a commandment: Thou Shalt Not Abridge Speech.

In his column the next week, the following correction:

COHEN (2/12/08): My Feb. 5 column was critical of Hillary Clinton for supporting a bill to make flag burning illegal. I have since learned from a reader that Barack Obama also supported that bill.

Here's my advice for Richard Cohen, a man who has his own character issues regarding sexual harassment should stop digging.

Oh BTW, here another beaut from Cohen's column:

That she deserves to lose is a widely accepted opinion, strongly held by women as well as men, which, you would think, should mute the growing chorus that Clinton is the victim of vicious misogyny.

Wow! Richard Cohen knows some women that hate Hillary Clinton. I am shocked. The fact that women have voted overwhelmingly in favor of Hillary Clinton in this election is meaningless. Who cares about voters anyway? But in the Beltway, what matters is the "widely accepted opinion[s]" of Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, Richard Cohen and Maureen Dowd.

Let's put it bluntly, Richard Cohen is a pig. And not a bright one.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only.

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    Oh, ok, I just posted this (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:00 AM EST
    in the other post but I will throw it up again, are liberal elite men just sexist?  In OR SUSA BO's lead is entirely dependent among men by a 28 point margin.  Men in WI were largely the result of BO's win there.  I believe he won the white male vote in MA, a state he basically only won the vote in the most elite areas.  So, perhaps elite liberals, particularly the men, are sexist.  This would fit in well with Cohen's absurd column.

    I'm not really arguing this, though one could. (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:27 AM EST
    My point is only that for all the talk of Hill's voters being racist, "low-info", white trash, one could easily argue that BO's white elite liberal following is sexist.

    [ Parent ]
    You could certainly argue that (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:27:39 AM EST
    but that is not a smart move politically for Hillary.

    Why voters vote for whom they vote for her is not always discernible. But certainly if someone wanted to be provocative. a headline could be written tonight "Racists won in Kentucky, Sexists Win In Oregon."

    But Dems need to think about winning, not about writing headlines.


    [ Parent ]

    Which is why she has never said it. She knows (5.00 / 12) (#20)
    by leis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:31:42 AM EST
    she is going to need those voters to help her win the WH.  Insulting them, even if it is true, is not the way to win votes.  Some others could probably take a lesson.

    [ Parent ]
    Now YOU got my point (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:34:54 AM EST
    Thank you.

    [ Parent ]
    Not the point, and headline not my concern. (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:31:47 AM EST
    I'm saying for all the talk of racist for Hillary, you can look at election polling and results and make a case of sexist for Obama.  It's interesting.  Cohen's piece would fit into such a narative.  Again, not an argument I am making or not making.  Just an observation.

    [ Parent ]
    I know it is not your point (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:34:28 AM EST
    But it is a natural extension of your point.

    I pre-addressed it.

    [ Parent ]

    its bizarre (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:30:53 AM EST
    but as pig Cohen points out it is not limited to men.
    I have a dear female friend.  very smart, one of the more astute (I thought) political observers I counted among my friends and she has this irrational hatred of Hillary.
    we cant talk about it.  she signs her emails like this:

    peace, luv & Obama,
    lh

    it drives me absolutely crazy.

    [ Parent ]

    That doesn't conflict with my point. (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:33:10 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 10) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:33:37 AM EST
    She signs her e-mails that way? Wow. That is embarrassing. I think she'll be embarrassed about that at some point in the future.

    [ Parent ]
    at some point? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:35:20 AM EST
    she is older than me.  

    [ Parent ]
    What? (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:48:25 AM EST
    Older people can not feel embarrassment?

    [ Parent ]
    I thought you assumed she was (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:59:25 AM EST
    "young"
    even that would be easier to deal with.
    I hope she someday realizes how silly that looks but I dont see when or how it happens.
    they seem totally insulated from the world sometimes.

    [ Parent ]
    another thing though (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:00:52 AM EST
    thats odd.
    this person has been the one of my friends who in the past has been even more cynical than me (that is saying a lot) when it comes to buying the MSM meme of the week.
    now she seems to live by it.
    its surreal.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, like the girl I went to junior high with (5.00 / 8) (#31)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:37:44 AM EST
    who constantly wore one white glove because she was so in love with Michael Jackson.

    Oh, the pictures we laugh about now...

    [ Parent ]

    Peace, luv and Obama? (5.00 / 7) (#30)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:35:28 AM EST
    OMG.

    Obama is just a brand to these people.

    [ Parent ]

    I know (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:56 AM EST
    it would be less troublesome if I had not looked up to this person and thought her much smarter than this.
    it is honestly one of the things that has made me accept that this whole thing (nomination) is starting to be rather inevitable.


    [ Parent ]
    Inevitable (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:49:03 AM EST
    I hear you.  They're going to shove Barack Obama down our throats in spite of overwhelming evidence that he is flawed beyond redemption.

    I feel like Pauline...tied to the railroad track and hearing the train.

    [ Parent ]

    No, he's MORE than a Brand. (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by Fabian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:44:14 AM EST
    He's Teh Future!  Utopia!  Camelot!  Shangri La!
    - for certain people.  You either believe it or not.  It's not facts, it's fatih.

    [ Parent ]
    Really, it's celebrity worship (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by abfabdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:48:40 AM EST
    It has permeated our culture and now it is permeating our politics.  Also reminds me of all the suburban kids here in our affluent community who dress like they are from the 'hood.  It gives them a "cool" identity.

    [ Parent ]
    you are so right (none / 0) (#246)
    by irene adler on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:33:32 AM EST
    Permeating and then some.

    I had a depressing but funny thing happen yesterday in the checkout line. Our supermarket chain has little LCDs mounted at the cash register, to 'entertain and inform' you [meaning... sell you stuff] while waiting in line.

    Instead of watching, I was organizing the next 5 things I had to do, when I heard a gushing voiceover say, "...and that was Cate Blanchett. She's not just an Academy Award winner, she's famous."

    I just burst out laughing! Why of course! What's being an accomplished actor at the top of your game compared to being famous? That's when I realized I spend too much time paying attention to politics because I immediately related that sentiment to campaign reporting. I have to say, I don't see much of a distinction anymore between supermarket celebrity media and so called serious political media.

    [ Parent ]

    A property, a client and a brand, (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by votus on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:00:57 AM EST
    according to that Atlantic article "The Amazing Money Machine" in which we are introduced to the cartel of Silicon Valley king makers behind the real Obama campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    Wait a second (none / 0) (#82)
    by flyerhawk on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:59:00 AM EST
    I thought he was our messiah?

    Now he's simply a brand to us?

    It's hard to follow the various disparagements.

    [ Parent ]

    If you support him (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Fabian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:08:43 AM EST
    on the facts, not faith then you have little to worry about.  Obviously different people have different priorities.

    But Obama's emotional rhetoric has always attracted those who want to believe and to be a part of something bigger and better and most of all, more powerful than themselves.  Human nature.  Can't do a thing about it.  Some people just want to be loyal followers because it makes them feel good.

    [ Parent ]

    Whereas (1.00 / 2) (#119)
    by flyerhawk on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:13:08 AM EST
    your support of Hillary is based on empirical evidence?  Right.  

    You BELIEVE that Hillary will be a great President because you BELIEVE that she has the qualities to be a good President, qualities that cannot be measured until she were actually President.

    Every election is based on subjective beliefs.

    [ Parent ]

    Is it all that hard (5.00 / 2) (#158)
    by Fabian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:26:23 AM EST
    to see that some people just wanna feel good and really like people who make them feel good?  Boring old issues and substance doesn't do that.   Uplifting emotional rhetoric does.

    Many a voter makes their decision on who they are "more comfortable" with.  Get'em happy, keep'em happy and you can get their votes.

    Insulting voters tends NOT to make them happy.

    [ Parent ]

    Stereotypes are stereotypes (none / 0) (#200)
    by flyerhawk on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:47:36 AM EST
    How many Hillary supporters support her because she uplifts them because she is a woman?  

    I don't have a problem with that at all.  But it is silly to suggest that millions of supporters all operate on largely the same motivations.

    My support of Obama is coldly calculating.  He can be our FDR, and with the likely bloodbath in the Fall he may have an FDR like mandate.

    [ Parent ]

    There is nothing even mildly like FDR in (5.00 / 6) (#242)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:05:03 AM EST
    Barack Obama.  Obama lacks political courage.  

    [ Parent ]
    Bloodbath, maybe (none / 0) (#238)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:45 AM EST
    but in that scenario it's "President McCain".

    [ Parent ]
    "I create feelings in others... (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Fabian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:26 AM EST
    "I create feelings in others that they themselves don't understand."

    Lightning McQueen, Cars.

    The person/car he is saying this to (it's meant as a come on) looks at him like he is spouting gibberish or simply nuts.  

    [ Parent ]

    Lots of folks were in love with Dubya a few years (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Angel on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:38 AM EST
    ago.....  This love of Obama, too, shall pass.

    [ Parent ]
    "This Too Shall Pass" (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:51:18 AM EST
    Yeah...well let's hope it passes before he's had four (or worse, eight) years to continue the dismantling of the United States.

    Another amateur in the White House is the last thing we need.

    [ Parent ]

    IF he gets 4 (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:55:53 AM EST
    It's probably a safe bet to think he won't get 8. Democrats only get one chance to prove themselves in that office.

    Which, is also why I don't approve of Hillary taking second place on a ticket where Obama is the top.

    [ Parent ]

    I would be described as liberal elite male, (5.00 / 8) (#38)
    by SeaMBA on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:57 AM EST
    at least by most demographics (excpet salary -- too many years as an entrepreneur) and I am not voting for Obama, ever.  I will be writing in Clinton if necessary.

    I think the problem with people like Cohen is that they are not risk takers.  They only say what they feel it is safe to say.  Which would also explain the past 8 years of Bush.

    Strength of character is why I am for Clinton. I may not always agree with her, but I trust her to be strong in the face of unpopular opinions.  That is the type of leader we need.  

    [ Parent ]

    Mhmm, yes. That's a good argument. (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:41:45 AM EST
    Are elite white liberal men risk averse?

    [ Parent ]
    Some of them don't understand (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:43:25 AM EST
    That, in fact, Obama is the bigger risk. By far.

    [ Parent ]
    Excuse me (5.00 / 5) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:43:46 AM EST
    That is not Cohen's problem. they go well beyond that.

    [ Parent ]
    In addition, I think there's a trust issue.... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by vicndabx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:52:51 AM EST
    consider, many in this demographic may have had some bad experiences w/women (i.e. separations, divorces, etc.) As we all know, bad relationships breed negative feelings and foster insecurities.  Could be these guys are transferring those feelings of distrust to Hillary.  Remember, 50% of marriages in this country end in divorce.  That demo cuts across a whole slew of other demos in this primary.

    [ Parent ]
    Women taking what (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Fabian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:01:48 AM EST
    is rightfully men's?

    It's a common, common narrative.  As economic instability increases, people tend to circle the wagons and protect their own....tribal identity.  They resent competition from The Others - immigrants, women, other ethnic, religious or political groups.

    It's a whole lot easier to unite diverse groups when the economy is good to as many people as possible.  

    [ Parent ]

    Or, that tried and true (none / 0) (#81)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:58:57 AM EST
    "mother" issue. Plenty of people blame their mother's for every single thing they lack, all adversity, and missing pieces in their character.

    [ Parent ]
    Liberal men (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:07:17 AM EST
    are probably no more sexist than any other category, but it's just a lot more surprising when they are sexist.

    I have thought a lot about this issue too though, and have asked myself the same question.  I've gone back and thought about the men I've known and been involved with over the years, and I'm coming to the conclusion that I've been treated better by more moderate men, on the whole.

    [ Parent ]

    I could build the case that they (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:19:03 AM EST
    are indeed more sexist, and I am not at all surprised.

    [ Parent ]
    I'd concur. (none / 0) (#190)
    by Mari on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:45:01 AM EST
    Sometimes liberal men are the worst. Better an honorable moderate republican man.

    [ Parent ]
    Independent (none / 0) (#206)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:49:49 AM EST
    I've made a lot of mistakes with men.  But I think I've finally learned my lessons.  The love of my life, the most wonderful man I've ever known (except my dad), is an Independent (who changed his registration to Dem in PA to vote for Hillary but will soon change it back to Independent).  :)

    [ Parent ]
    I hate Hillary because she's a Bitc#... (5.00 / 7) (#2)
    by Exeter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:03 AM EST
    ...not because she's a woman!  That is the typical meme, without ever any introspection of why they think she is bitch. Why they hate her laugh. Why they think her voice is shrill and grating.

    My brother is convinced (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:30:25 AM EST
    she is disingenuous. He can't tell you why, of course - it's just the way she talks.

    Uh-huh.

    Of course, he is a prime target for Obama. 39, male, web developer, sexist and cynical, lives in San Francisco.

    His girlfriend likes Hillary. :-)

    [ Parent ]

    as a long time observer (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:33:58 AM EST
    of males of that age group I believe there is a very strong vein of fear of the female, particularly strong unapologetic females, that runs through almost all of them.
    dont ask me why.  but I see it.

    [ Parent ]
    I agree. (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:19 AM EST
    I really don't know how to explain it.

    [ Parent ]
    I agree, and I don't understand where (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by vicndabx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:39:27 AM EST
    it comes from.  Maybe they didn't get enough dates in high school?

    [ Parent ]
    Heh. (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:41:17 AM EST
    Certainly true of my brother. ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    The somatic narcissist variety.. (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Exeter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:28:42 AM EST
    that have derooted problems with Mommy. Obama is probably in that camp as well. Funny thing is that Dubya, for all his faults, probably has the most healthy relationship with women in his life, compared to previous Presidents.

    [ Parent ]
    He is so insecure (none / 0) (#167)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:30:38 AM EST
    that he treats men just as badly as he does women.

    He's an equal opportunity @ssh@le. ;-)

    [ Parent ]

    I know so many guys (5.00 / 5) (#97)
    by alforhil on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:04:22 AM EST
    like the one you mentioned. who does not spend a minute of their time to find out facts before opinions. they swallow what ever MSM's dish out to them gullibly and then tout them as their own opinion .
    I know a friend who said she was 'inspried by Obama' ..and when called on to explain what exactly made her feel inspired or what was she exactly inspired to DO, she had no answers...these are the core Obama base!! I wonder if it will last once 'enemity with Hillary' factor is out.

    I am expecting a huge election fatigue from these 'young' ,'rich','professional' obamaniacs and i very much doubt if they will turn up in large numbers for GE...that should be factored in SD's if they have an ounce of brains

    [ Parent ]

    That fatigue has already set in (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:25:38 AM EST
    The youth vote was barely measurable in PA.

    The grand leader himself is showing campaign fatigue, and his followers are quick to pick up on his mood. They do what he does, they feel what he feels :)

    [ Parent ]

    Proving (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by cal1942 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:17:27 AM EST
    once again that the girlfriend/wife is indeed the better half.

    [ Parent ]
    LOL! (none / 0) (#145)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:20:58 AM EST
    I love my brother but...at least his GF can say why she supports HRC and why she doesn't trust Obama. ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    I don't know (5.00 / 6) (#173)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:33:44 AM EST
    but anyone who comes on this board with a name of "Blue Stained Dress" is only looking for trouble.

    [ Parent ]
    I plan (5.00 / 3) (#184)
    by Nadai on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:40:40 AM EST
    to offer him all the respect he deserves.

    [ Parent ]
    Uh huh (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by Nadai on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:45:33 AM EST
    You keep thinking that.

    [ Parent ]
    Site Violator Blue Stained Dress (5.00 / 2) (#194)
    by Steve M on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:45:52 AM EST
    Jeralyn, please ban this hateful troll.  Thanks.

    [ Parent ]
    I think (5.00 / 1) (#217)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:53:06 AM EST
    Nadai was being sarcastic...

    [ Parent ]
    See, this is why (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:00 AM EST
    I dropped out of the Democratic Party.  He isn't my "presumptive nominee".  If Hillary isn't in the race, I'll look at all of the other candidates and choose one to vote for.  You need to "respect" that. (My vote is not going to Obama, but trust me, dear heart, I'll vote.)

    [ Parent ]
    It really hurts when you say I was never a (5.00 / 1) (#233)
    by leis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:58:42 AM EST
    Democrat anyway.  That's Democrat with a capital D.  I don't know why you wouldn't have spelled it with a  capital, it's obvious your caps lock key works.

    [ Parent ]
    Amen (none / 0) (#181)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:39:22 AM EST
    I looked at that user name and thought "Troll!"  Two comments so far.

    Can you say "flash in the pan"?  I knew you could.

    [ Parent ]

    Question is (5.00 / 3) (#211)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:51:17 AM EST
    are these trolls really Obama supporters or are they Republicans stirring the pot? Then I see over 2000 venomous posts at a HuffPo article, and the answer is right there. Obama's "be nice" message isn't working, but the entertainment is great.

    [ Parent ]
    These trolls (5.00 / 4) (#221)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:54:16 AM EST
    are promoting Obama's true message.

    "Hillary sucks; vote for me. I am the Way, the Truth and the Light."

    Everything he says and does proclaims this message.

    Unity was never in it.

    [ Parent ]

    Site abuse: Blue Stained Dress (5.00 / 4) (#231)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:57:38 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    There's a ... (5.00 / 2) (#240)
    by Robot Porter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:20 AM EST
    difference!?!

    [ Parent ]
    Hm (none / 0) (#230)
    by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:57:12 AM EST
    I figure these trolls have to be Republican operatives.  What Obama supporter in their right mind would support their candidate by heading off to insult/demonize/inflame Clinton supporters on neutral/Clinton-leaning blogs? It's entirely counterproductive to trying to win the GE.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#205)
    by vicndabx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:48:22 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yawn (none / 0) (#225)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:55:44 AM EST
    I don't respond to trolls except to yawn.

    You've written here only today and you have a severely divisive name.  You're a troll.

    [ Parent ]

    Site Violation - User Name Says It All n/t (none / 0) (#210)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:51:01 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Can You Imagine the Outcry (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:35:10 AM EST
    if Hillary's supporters referred to Obama as a "bastard"?

    Yes, I know the technical definition.  But it's the equivalent of calling a female a "bitch".  

    The double standard in this campaign is just breathtaking.

    [ Parent ]

    Or if Hillary had referred to Obama (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Exeter on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:08:27 AM EST
    as an animal that is often used as slur against African Americans... like when Obama referred to Hillary as a cat.

    [ Parent ]
    riiiight (none / 0) (#236)
    by cleek on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:59:40 AM EST
    i'm sure that when Clinton supporters refer to Obama as "Bambi", they only say it because he looks like a baby deer, and not because it's fun to refer to an adult man with an feminine-sounding baby name.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (5.00 / 9) (#28)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:35:17 AM EST
    He makes Andrew Sullivan look practically genteel:

    I know the dangers of provoking the wave of victimhood that Clinton will invoke if anyone dares to point out that she has lost. But at some point the sheer classless, graceless sore-loser tackiness of the couple requires an end to the enabling.

    Obama, one fears, is too much of a gentleman. You can't always maintain class with people who have none.




    [ Parent ]
    Andrew "Bell Curve" (5.00 / 21) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:48 AM EST
    "Fatal Attraction" Fifth Column" Sullivan knows from classless and graceless.

    Whatever happens from here on out, I promise you this, I will spend all summer criticizing any and all bloggers who praise the racist, sexist, McCarthyistic Andrew Sullivan.

    Un-rehabilitating that piece of crap will be my mission for the summer.

    [ Parent ]

    pttf (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:40:24 AM EST
    thanks I needed that

    [ Parent ]
    I love that idea! (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:40:36 AM EST
    Can't stand him, never could.

    [ Parent ]
    Heart (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:55:24 AM EST
    I love your mission and wish you absolute, unqualified success.

    [ Parent ]
    Andrew Sullivan sez (5.00 / 4) (#125)
    by lilburro on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:15:34 AM EST
    "The notion that there might be resilient ethnic differences in intelligence is not, we believe, an inherently racist belief."

    FAIR on the Bell Curve

    I'm sure he and Richard Cohen could have wonderful conversations.

    Standing by the Bell Curve is pretty awful in my book.

    [ Parent ]

    I love how these elitists (5.00 / 8) (#40)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:39:45 AM EST
    think saying someone is low-class (or has no class) is the ultimate insult.

    [ Parent ]
    And as always (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by cal1942 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:15:13 AM EST
    they can't really articulate what they label as classless.

    Aside from the standard Village CDS is their childish reaction to the fact that Hillary has exuded class from every pore and has withstood the over the top onslaught with dignity and grace. Not so her opponent whose campaign in part is one long oversensitive whine.

    And as for this "... the rest of his record overwhelms this one chintzy act."

    What record?  Would that be voting for the Cheney Energy Bill, voting against an Iraq War funding amendment that required troop withdrawal or voting for the Bankruptcy bill.  And while we're talking about character how about Obama's lie that he got a nuclear regulatory bill passed.

    That Hillary just could pull off knocking out the Village elite's chosen one must be driving them crazy.

    [ Parent ]

    How could Cohen recognize "class"? (5.00 / 2) (#199)
    by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:47:28 AM EST
    I've said it before, I'll say it again: the only people who ever talk about "class" are those without any.

    [ Parent ]
    Too much of a gentleman? (5.00 / 6) (#80)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:58:29 AM EST
    Ah, yes, stealthily (well, not so stealthily after all) flipping the bird at Hillary Clinton during a campaign speech is just so chivalrous.

    [ Parent ]
    Now, now (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by cmugirl on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:07:21 AM EST
    My Obama-supporting co-worker laughed at me and said that had been disproven many times over - everybody knew that.

    I didn't want to start an argument, so I let it go.

    [ Parent ]

    I figure the jury is (none / 0) (#172)
    by zfran on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:32:12 AM EST
    still out on "the finger" and so, for now, my retort is "I don't know" if it's yes or no. Maybe someday he'll update his memoirs and he'll tell us. lol

    [ Parent ]
    Some of us are not "lol" about it. n/t (5.00 / 3) (#179)
    by samanthasmom on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:38:56 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I think the "dirt on my shoulder" (5.00 / 3) (#201)
    by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:47:49 AM EST
    snub is not in dispute.  How do you explain away that?  I mean, is Obama six years old?  He's brushing off a United States senator like she's dirt?  And scraping her off his shoe?

    Classy!

    [ Parent ]

    Y'all sure do (none / 0) (#152)
    by Binx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:23:42 AM EST
    ...cling to the tiniest mis-perceived slight --as evidenced by the perpetuation of the "Obama flipped her off" story. Your case is stronger when you just stick to the "only she can win the General Election" argument. At least that is simply a matter of opinion.

    [ Parent ]
    The people sitting behind him (5.00 / 4) (#162)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:27:59 AM EST
    and saw him do it must have also "mis-perceived" based on their reaction.

    Just another example of a free pass by the MSM.

    [ Parent ]

    There's video (none / 0) (#182)
    by Binx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:39:47 AM EST
    I saw him too -- I saw him scratch his face with his middle finger. Whether you believe it or not it makes no sense to believe he was directing an obscene gesture in some way toward Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    I saw it too (5.00 / 2) (#212)
    by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:51:36 AM EST
    and I know what I saw.

    [ Parent ]
    Blind devotion (5.00 / 2) (#222)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:54:27 AM EST
    how sweet.

    [ Parent ]
    Grrr... (5.00 / 4) (#237)
    by huzzlewhat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:59:59 AM EST
    What's so infuriating about comments like this is that I don't recall seeing Sen. Clinton claim to be a victim at any point in the campaign. She's just soldiering on, talking the issues, ignoring the insults that are hurled at her -- people like Sullivan are inventing behavior that she hasn't exhibited, and then deriding her for it. It's so frustrating.

    [ Parent ]
    ::blinks:: (5.00 / 12) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:35 AM EST
    Did they really let him publish this:

    That she deserves to lose is a widely accepted opinion, strongly held by women as well as men, which, you would think, should mute the growing chorus that Clinton is the victim of vicious misogyny.
    ??????

    It occurs to me that this is an opinion shared by most of the misogynist media. He knows that MoDo hates Hillary, and so does he, so obviously theirs is a widely held belief!

    What Cohen fails to appreciate (5.00 / 7) (#9)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:25:43 AM EST
    is that some people think she deserves to lose because they are misogynists.

    How do these non-thinking word-salad-producing morons get these jobs?

    [ Parent ]

    I especially liked this (5.00 / 5) (#51)
    by pie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:44:33 AM EST
    defense of Cohen's behavior by one of his friends:

    Sources close to Mr. Cohen and Ms. Spurgeon said neither is particularly pleased with the outcome. Mr. Cohen feels he has been the victim of a witch-hunt atmosphere. "It's not like he groped someone," said Mr. Auletta. "He's being accused of saying things that are insensitive. Well, grow up.... This is Dick Cohen being Dick Cohen, and politically correct people being wusses."

    nice, huh?

    [ Parent ]

    So he does recognize he is a Dick (5.00 / 9) (#53)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:46:36 AM EST
    I stand corrected.

    Ken Auletta obviously is also a pig.

    [ Parent ]

    I'll remind everyone (5.00 / 7) (#74)
    by pie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:56:19 AM EST
    that this so-called media, including Dick Cohen, have been propping Chimpy up for most of the eight years he's been in office and getting skewered for it by the left blogosphere.

    Their opinions are't worth the paper they're printed on.

    Clueless, overpaid hacks with few morals and  questionable judgment, residing safely in their little bubble.

    [ Parent ]

    I love it (5.00 / 5) (#157)
    by cal1942 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:25:55 AM EST
    when unacceptable behavior is defended as ingrained and therefore acceptable.

    "Well, grow up.... This is Dick Cohen being Dick Cohen"

    Is that like saying set him free, it was just Charles Manson being Charles Manson

    [ Parent ]

    Cohen obviously didn't see (5.00 / 6) (#50)
    by abfabdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:44:19 AM EST
    the full page ad from WomenPac in the NYTimes today touting how women support Hillary big-time.  It rocks!

    [ Parent ]
    That Is A Beautiful Ad n/t (none / 0) (#61)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:52:08 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Is that ad online anywhere? (none / 0) (#103)
    by gmo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:06:44 AM EST
    Didn't see it in the online version of NYT (the only way I subscribe).

    [ Parent ]
    Taylor Marsh Had A Post On The Ad (none / 0) (#141)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:19:56 AM EST
    a couple of days ago. If you go to her site and go back a few days, I'm sure you can find it.

    [ Parent ]
    That view is strongly held by everybody... (5.00 / 13) (#54)
    by dianem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:47:54 AM EST
    ...except roughly half of the Democratic voter's who selected her as their candidate.

    How do pundits get away with this? It's a if this guy is living in a different world than I am. In his world, Clinton lost by a landslide because everybody hates her. In mine, she is within a couple percentage points of Obama and still getting superdelegates even though the odds of her winning are incredibly low. In the internet and pundit world, Clinton is an evil, selfish, greedy "bitch" who doesn't care about the party and attacks Obama mercilessly. But when I get out into the real world, Clinton is a good politician who seems to care very much about the world and the party, and the only attacks she has made on Obama involve his lack of experience,his poor associations, and his lack of political depth, which all seem fair to me. She had other opportunities to attack. Wright, Rezko, various lies in his books and speeches, not to mention the generally low tone of his campaign. She didn't. The only one I recall her highlighting is Ayers.

    Meanwhile, in Obamaland, Obama is the great speaker, doing a "different" kind of politics inspiring massive rallies and bringing new people to the fold.  He is smart, optimistic, and inspirational. Then I watch a debate with him and he doesn't seem to know what he's talking about, he is verbally clumsy, he is reluctant to talk about issues to reporters, he makes some major gaffes in terms of foreign policy, and he let's his manager's run his campaign using classic Rovian dirty politics. He attacks Clinton on lack of experience, viciousness (throwing the kitchen sink at him), underhanded politics (the Africa photo), race-baiting/racism (although mostly just  his supporter's did this, he never contradicted it), arrogance, and lying. Watching him speak, he does okay when he's reciting his speeches - but whenever he has to go off paper he look uncomfortable, almost embarrassed.

    It's as if there were two worlds. On in which Clinton is terrible and Obama is a saviour, and the real world, where both of them are politicians with good points and faults.

    [ Parent ]

    Well (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:49:32 AM EST
    Worlds will collide. Let's see what happens.

    [ Parent ]
    Sometimes those worlds dont mesh too well (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by athyrio on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:30:48 AM EST
    as THE DEFECTIONS ARE BEGINNING... FIRST FERRARO.. NOW ED KOCH..ED says 20+ in a racist church and Ayers?? He will vote for McCain...WOW...

    [ Parent ]
    The media is still trying (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:50:50 AM EST
    to create its own reality.

    [ Parent ]
    No, they create/influence (5.00 / 5) (#75)
    by Fabian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:56:29 AM EST
    our reality as well.  This I resent.

    [ Parent ]
    Seems that (5.00 / 4) (#83)
    by pie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:59:22 AM EST
    they're not getting away with it this time, however.  People are't buying the product that's being so carefully marketed.

    [ Parent ]
    Thank you for this (5.00 / 6) (#65)
    by abfabdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:53:00 AM EST
    It is exactly what I have been thinking.  It's like there is a parallel universe.  If not for you guys I would think I had lost my mind!!

    [ Parent ]
    agreed (5.00 / 5) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:57:40 AM EST
    I think this place has saved more than one of us from antidepressants.


    [ Parent ]
    Exactly this (5.00 / 2) (#207)
    by Faust on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:47 AM EST
    It's as if there were two worlds. On in which Clinton is terrible and Obama is a saviour, and the real world, where both of them are politicians with good points and faults.

    There are two worlds. Two different logics, two different cognitive filters, two different strands of identity politics. As someone not strongly attatched to a candidate I have gotten to the point where I can put on my "Obama glasses" and then take them off and put on my "Cliton glasses." Sometimes the worldview change is so jarring I get vertigo.

    [ Parent ]

    If Nytimes could publish (none / 0) (#197)
    by Serene1 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:03 AM EST
    MoDo's rant on how Obama should punish Hillary then publishing Cohen's sexist piece should be a given. Compared to MoDo's various rants his are at least more milder though more hypocritical.

    [ Parent ]
    Wow. That link to Cohen's behavior (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:20:02 AM EST
    toward the young woman reporter is really revealing.  "Inappropriate"?  Nope, a classic case of a hostile environment, at the least -- and that is sexual harassment.  A pig, he is -- and this explains some of the axe against strong women that he is so incessantly grinding.  

    He learned from a reader Obama supported (5.00 / 6) (#7)
    by leis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:53 AM EST
    the same bill? Maybe he should of checked that little nugget out before writing his column.  

       Hilarious, laugh out loud funny.
         

    Can't Have FACTS Stand In The Way (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:31:04 AM EST
    The only thing necessary is to have a biased opinion and try to spin information to substantiate that opinion. Research has become so yesterday.

    Thank gawd there are indications that a large portion of  the American public is tired of listening to these blubbering idiots.

    [ Parent ]

    Kinda Makes You Wonder (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by creeper on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:40:40 AM EST
    if he either knew to begin with or deliberately did not bother to check Obama's support .  Retractions never get as much attention as scurrilous accusations.

    [ Parent ]
    That told me about journalism today (5.00 / 5) (#126)
    by Cream City on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:15:53 AM EST
    more than anything, when first I read that.

    First, do no research but just go with something somebody told you.  Then, when somebody tells you it's wrong, still do no research but just go with what somebody tells you again.

    Murrow, Cronkite, et al., are turning over in their graves.

    [ Parent ]

    IMO Relatively Little Journalism Is Being (5.00 / 2) (#223)
    by MO Blue on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:55:06 AM EST
    practiced today. True journalists have become an endangered species.

    [ Parent ]
    They get information (none / 0) (#243)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:05:42 AM EST
    they choose what to ignore.

    Interesting research given to Richar