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Obama Does "Letterman Top Ten", Hillary Does Nightline

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:09:37 PM EST
Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)
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Two to watch tonight. Barack Obama delivers the "top ten" on Letterman while Hillary is interviewed on Nightline.

Is Obama getting tired? Is Hillary just warming up?

Your reactions?

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    Obama Does "Letterman Top Ten", Hillary Does Nightline | 196 comments (196 topical)
    Hillary... substance, (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by jackyt on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:11:54 PM EST
    Obama... fluff!

    She was dazzling (5.00 / 13) (#40)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:45:34 PM EST
    on O'Reilly, I thought.  He kept trying to trip her up on stuff, and she simply couldn't be tripped.  Sometimes it was like watching a superb tennis volley.

    O'Reilly said on Greta van Sustern's show tonight that he'd gotten "thousands" of emails from viewers saying how shocked they were at how terrific she was.  I think it was smart for her to go on Fox.  There are a lot of GOP women especially who could be brought over with just a small nudge if she's the nominee.

    (Obama, of course, says he'll do O'Reilly after the primaries.  He should be embarrassed.)


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    He's schedule is too tight (5.00 / 5) (#44)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:47:39 PM EST
    except for doing Letterman and pumpkinhead, and other fluff -- but def. too tight for debates, tough interviews & town halls!

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    Today I finally understand. (5.00 / 14) (#77)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:06:47 AM EST
    After the O'Reilly interview, I finally understand why Republicans spent 16 years demonizing her.

    They must have noticed just how much superior she is to any normal politician.  They must have KNOWN and SCARED SH--LESS.  I understand why they spent 16 years making themselves look ridiculous, made themselves like silly schoolkids, spent 30 million dollars to stop her in NY. They saw THIS COMING.

    They say they want Hillary in GE?? BULLS--T!! In all my years of watching debates, politics anywhere, I have never seen someone so prepared, so poised, so prepared, and so unflappable.  

    Remember when Tim Russet went after her in his October debate, it took him, Williams, and help from at least 5 other guys on the stage to make her look weak on ONE question.  And then the media played it for all it was worth.  

    It was like they all ganged up 10-1, and finally got to score one against Pele, and were still surprised.  


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    of course it's true. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:33:20 AM EST
    They knew she was going to run in 2004 or 2008 as far back as 1996.

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    Does it not make the (5.00 / 9) (#123)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:33:26 AM EST
    possibility of her losing for the reasons she will lose that much more depressing?  Does it not make the possibility that this nation will miss having her as president that more disturbing?  I know it does for me.  

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    depressing would be a serious understatement. (5.00 / 4) (#127)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:40:08 AM EST


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    She ain't gonna lose (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by facta non verba on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:18:26 AM EST
    I am growing more and more confident of victory. We still need to work hard and give, give, give.

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    depressing (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Rainsong on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:05:22 AM EST
    yes, and even more of an indicator of an Obama loss in November.

    Even if you hypothetically accept that the majority of Clinton voters will vote for Obama in November, quite a number will end up doing it, not just holding their noses but gritting their teeth, and that means there will be lower Dem voter turn-out. More will fill the ranks of the GAAP (Greater American Apathy Party).

    Secondly, life-long loyal Dem volunteers for the army of ground-troops, who are out there every election year, will drop off in numbers too, with "So Sorry, can't make the time this year, as I ......". (<---- insert preferred excuse).

    In swing-states, and battlegrounders, it only takes a few points of voters to stay home and the state is lost, thats where you need the fighters to be motivated. One of the differences I see between Dem and Repub voting bases, is that Dems aren't as fully mobilisable, they need to be given something/someone to vote -for-, not just vote -against-.  

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    You are so right (5.00 / 10) (#146)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:18:31 AM EST
    I'm now hearing it everywhere that the GOPers initially thought she'd be easy pickin's because they could bring up all her old baggage, but they've been knocked back on their heels by her unflappable performances and her strong appeal to blue-colllar, especially, "Reagan Democrat" voters.

    These people are ruthless street fighters, but Hillary unleashed will not be cowed, and they actually respect that quite a lot.  Obama, otoh, eh, not so much.

    What keeps striking me is how she's the equal of Bill in her erudition and depth of knowledge, but doesn't have his temperament issues. (And no wonder, to survive being married to him, she'd have to have an extraordinarily even keel!)

    I adore Bill Clinton, even when I disagree with him, and thought one of the worst things about the impeachment crap was that he stopped doing those press conferences, which always left me sitting there with my mouth hanging open.  She doesn't have his fast funny wit and his irresistible charm, but she's no piker in the charm department and doesn't lose her temper, at least in public.

    Somebody maybe in this thread said she's the most impressive presidential candidate we've maybe ever had, and I have to agree.  It's baffling to me why that isn't obvious to everybody else.

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    Plus..... (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by kc on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:40:43 AM EST
    the Clintons beat them. That kills the repubs.-that despite their propaganda, the Clintons win.

    And also, I think, because they really do try to help, have policies that help real people, not just corporations.

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    Hillary is impressive (5.00 / 5) (#177)
    by AnninCA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:20:38 AM EST
    and she intimidates most of of the Dems too.

    I'm convinced this is why they are refusing to consider that she should be the nominee.

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    my jaw dropped (5.00 / 6) (#157)
    by goldberry on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:37:33 AM EST
    When I saw her in person at YearlyKos 07.  Seriously, after I attended her breakout session and the forum, I didn't think she had a peer in that ballroom and I was an Edwards person up til that very hour.  

    Ever since then, I've watched transfixed and it has dawned on me that when Bill saud "elect me, get one free" he wasn't kidding. Maybe the reason the media and others have found Hillary so disconcerting is that up until now, there haven't been too many people like her.  She's smart enough (and then some) to be president and she knows it.  They're still trying to wrap their heads around it.

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    I haven't seen it (none / 0) (#185)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:36:03 AM EST
    Is it available somewhere other than the Faux website?

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    Not only that, but inaccurate fluff.. (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:52:05 PM EST
    He said in his list of ten things..
    3. We are tirelessly working to get the endorsement of Kentucky Derby favorite Colonel John.

    The favorite in the Derby is a colt called Big Brown. And Big Brown is breaking from the outside post position. Unlike Obama, Big Brown has a chance to win. He just lost a bunch of horse player votes..LOL It's a sin to not know who the favorite is two days before the Derby. Heh.

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    The derby's this weekend?! (none / 0) (#74)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:04:22 AM EST
    I'll have to see if I can watch this year. I haven't been able to watch a race since Barbaro went down. Still upsets me even though I love watching the sheer beauty of horses running (yes, I'm oversensitive, ask my mom!)

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    Barbaro (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:06 AM EST
    I cried when he died. He was such a beautiful animal. Anyone who has ever owned a horse will understand how intelligent and sensitive they are.

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    Barbaro was just wonderful (5.00 / 3) (#148)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:22:42 AM EST
    but for my entire life, I will never forget the sight of Secretariat sweeping down the track in the Preakness, effortlessly increasing his impossible lead with every stride until he was like some kind of shooting star.  I wept uncontrollably as I watched, and I still weep just remembering it.

    And there's something exactly right about the fact that he wasn't able to pass that on to the horses he sired.  It was just his.  No genes to pass on, just his.

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    FWIW (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by ramasan on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:25:54 AM EST
    I saw an interview of an animal psychic once who said Secretariat told her he never even tried.  It was just that easy for him.  I liked that answer enough to assume it's true.:-)

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    His rider, Ron Turcotte (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:53:56 AM EST
    said pretty much the same thing. And I am more inclined to believe him than a psychic. I am also inclined to believe that the psychic knew that Ron had said that. Secretariat had a whole other gear that other horses just don't have. His heart was also huge, literally.

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    Secretariat won the Preakness (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:48:26 AM EST
    by a couple of lengths. Set a new record, at least it would have if the timers had been working. The race that took everyone's breath away was the Belmont. He won that by 31 lengths. He was half-way down the stretch before the other horses made the turn. Here it is, in all its glory.

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    Belmont, sorry! (none / 0) (#200)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:12:13 AM EST
    Of course you're right.  Senior moment :-(

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    First Saturday in May, just like always..heh. nt (none / 0) (#109)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:21:50 AM EST


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    I work 'in the future' so I'm generally (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:27:47 AM EST
    messed up as to reality when it comes to the calendar, lol!~  I've already done Christmas 2008 and now I'm on next summer :)

    And if you're wondering, it's President Clinton!  ;)

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    Yep, I've picked my mint (none / 0) (#167)
    by BGP on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:48:48 AM EST
    and bought my bottle of bourbon. It's juleps all round. I do stall though at singing My Old Kentucky Home, even bowdlerized.

    There might have been some hesitation on Obama's part to say he's seeking the endorsement of Big Brown????

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    Well, Obama (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Benjamin3 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:52:19 PM EST
    Is doing the full hour on Meet The Press this Sunday.  If Russert plays wiffle ball with him, it will hurt his reputation - so it should be interesting.

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    it'll be fluff city on MTP (5.00 / 7) (#63)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:56:03 PM EST
    book it.

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    "Hurt his reputation" Hah! (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:58:05 PM EST
    "How can you kill that which is not alive??"

    (courtesy of South Park making fun of WoW addicts.)

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    actual quote (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:59:24 PM EST
    doh, it was slightly off.

    South Park actually said: "how can you kill that which has no life?"

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    MSM (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:07:21 AM EST
    LOVES Hillary!  I can't believe that Tim Russert is pretending to be an independent journalist when he gives Obama the entire hour, two days before NC and Indiana!  

    This goons are SOOOO obvious.  

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    We should set up our own truth squad on this (none / 0) (#153)
    by lambert on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:30:27 AM EST
    Much as I hate to watch TV...

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    It's pretty clear isn't it? (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by makana44 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:25:23 AM EST
    Obama's one full hour on Meet the Press is a set up.  MSNBC doesn't have a dog in this race, now does it? Rest assured, Russert and Obama are gonna hit it off just peachy. Would no be surprise if Obama is prepped ahead of time what Timmeh's questions are going to be. They aren't offering Hillary equal time, are they? (irony alert:- Don't Markos and Arianna both despise Russert? Betcha after Sunday all is forgiven.)

    Unlike ABC, which at least made a show of making the same offer to the all the candidates. But who knows, maybe that's a setup too. But at least the questions will be coming real time from real people. And that's where Hillary will shine. Talking to the people directly. The people - her real constituency. The tougher the questions the better she'll be.

    BTW - Went over to Huffpost to check on the spelling of Arianna...haven't been there in ages. Giant banner: OBAMA ROLLS ON. And, I kid you not - nary a mention of Hillary anywhere.  Just a rag.

    BTW2 - If by some miracle Hillary wins in NC, Obama will be forced to leave the race. No matter who appears to be in front...for the first time the shoe is now on the other foot. Just sayin'.


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    I'm afraid.......... (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by kc on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:47:23 AM EST
    that they will just move the goalpost again.

    Notice how it is always 'if she wins the next one' only the next one never comes.

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    Obama no comfortable talking about policy (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by stefystef on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:00:12 AM EST
    Remember, Obama didn't talk to reporters for 10 days before the PA primary.  HIllary has been talking substance, Obama's been pushing the same stump speech.

    He is trying to get back on message, but really, what is the message?

    The mask is slipping...

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    Except for when SHE does Letterman... (3.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Addison on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:17:38 PM EST
    ...or SNL. Or Colbert Report. Etc.

    Silliness. They happened to be on two different kinds of shows on the same night.

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    timing is everything (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:45:55 PM EST


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    In KC Nightline is on in (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by katiebird on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:13:38 PM EST
    the middle of the night.  So I haven't seen it in years.

    But from what I saw on O'Reilly this week, she's just warming up.

    I did see Obama on Letterman -- he wasn't sizzling.  Was he being deliberately dry?

    He has a horrible sense of humor... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Shainzona on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:23:36 PM EST


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    Yes... (3.66 / 3) (#11)
    by Addison on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:29:14 PM EST
    ...because the funniest people I know are at their best when read pre-screened, pre-formulated punchlines to network comedy shows. Please.

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    way too cranky (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:32:47 PM EST
    imo

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    and for the record (none / 0) (#88)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:11:32 AM EST
    I wasn't talking about Obama.

    I was talking about the person posting above.

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    above me! (none / 0) (#89)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:11:52 AM EST
    lol I move on.

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    Ha! (none / 0) (#103)
    by Addison on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:19:26 AM EST
    Well, I take solace in the fact that even more cranky folks decided to 1-rate me for my innocuous comment. I mean, as long as I'm not the CRANKIEST person on Talkleft I'll be alright.

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    You got down-rated because (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:25:20 AM EST
    the comment was irritatingly pointless and content-less.

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    Reading from a teleprompter is what he does best (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by ig on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:34:26 PM EST


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    Well then (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by katiebird on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:34:33 PM EST
    It was a mistake to take this gig.

    Because if he's trying to be funny - and he was on a comedy show - he should actually be funny.

    Please, with story after story talking about his exhaustion, this was an opportunity to show some sizzle.

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    Awwwwwwwww, and the number one answer is: (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by BarnBabe on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:43:56 PM EST
    1. I have not slept since October.
    I bet a LOT of people have not slept. What a schedule they are keeping. But Hillary has not been losing it because of lack of sleep. Good signs of a good leader. BTW, GW hit a 71% disapproval rating today. That is BAD. In fact, I saw this article and remembered he is still POTUS. I guess I was thinking the country is running itself or something. Need to head to sweet dreams myself. Ha.

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    well on Sunday (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:47:55 PM EST
    maybe Russert will give him a pillow

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    I think Russert (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:49:11 PM EST
    should provide his viewing audience with new pillows and warm blankies.

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    Thank you for flying Obama Airlines (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:52:59 PM EST


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    And Margaritas (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:55:27 PM EST
    That would absolutely improve his ratings.

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    hmmm... (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:57:40 PM EST
    The Meet the Press drinking game w/ margaritas.

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    take a shot every time Tim Russert... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:03:07 AM EST
    quotes a poll that is two weeks old and favorable to Obama.

    I triple dare you.

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    Sunday morning? (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:04:11 AM EST
    On mother's day?  wow...that is a dare.

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    It's the 11th right? (5.00 / 5) (#79)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:07:03 AM EST
    not the 3rd, right. please say yes, or I just royally screwed up!

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    the right answer (5.00 / 4) (#91)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:13:04 AM EST
    every day is Mother's day

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    very diplomatic (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:17:07 AM EST


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    That's next weekend... (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:07:40 AM EST
    I still have to send flowers.

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    Oh good. I was having a mild panic (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:14:20 AM EST
    Mom's on the other coast!

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    Sorry.... (none / 0) (#118)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:28:58 AM EST
    did not mean to cause panic.  

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    I can do it (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:20:53 AM EST
    because I'm the Momma.

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    oh...that's tempting... (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:09:18 AM EST
    and I'd do it too...if it weren't for these pesky students and there conferences (yes, I'm meeting with students on Sunday...I'm a g*dless heathen).

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    LOL!! (none / 0) (#134)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:50:30 AM EST


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    only 264 days left of GW (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:55:05 PM EST
    according to my W countdown calendar.

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    Sad thing is (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:05:29 AM EST
    that 2/3 of the prospects are not that exciting.  

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    He's a boring elitist (none / 0) (#143)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:30 AM EST
    Obama's wife has all the personality in the family.  He's a boring, egg head, policy wonk.  

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    Intellectual vagueness wonk (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by andrys on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:42:48 AM EST
     ... havne't seen him do the policy stuff in any reasonable detail... "Go to my sebsite..."

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    You don't think Robin Williams is (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:06:54 AM EST
    funny?? He can do it right off the top of his head. No script, all improv. He is a genius. I use him as a sig line on another blog.. "When Bush takes Viagra, he gets taller."

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    Well... (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Addison on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:17:21 AM EST
    ...I find Robin Williams completely unfunny. He's too much like too many meth-heads or cocaine addicts I knew. Annoying. This is a completely apolitical statement.

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    Robin Williams (5.00 / 3) (#108)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:21:30 AM EST
    Oh, around 1993, he filmed part of a movie in my house.  My neighbors were livid about the annoyance even though they all got paid.  He was really sweet to the little kids and my daughter's classmates.   My I guess 15 minutes of fame.  

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    Oh... (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Addison on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:23:03 AM EST
    I'm sure he's really nice! But his style is grating to me.

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    I agree with you on this (none / 0) (#126)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:36:16 AM EST


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    A reviewer once called (none / 0) (#188)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:46:08 AM EST
    Robin Williams' style as "voluntary Tourettes."  I used to find him funnier than I do now.  I don't know whether it's because I'm older, or because he is....

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    He's on Jay tonight. pretty funny. (none / 0) (#83)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:08:19 AM EST


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    he really did a number (none / 0) (#90)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:12:33 AM EST
    on Bill and Hillary, but in a funny way.

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    I'm hoping it gets YouTubed (none / 0) (#96)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:16:44 AM EST
    that cracked me up. Also the comments about a woman president. He just lays it out there.

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    Clinton did the Letterman Top 10 (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:44:25 AM EST
    awhile ago (Top Ten Reasons to Vote for Me: #6 -- My Vice-President will never shoot anyone in the face).  She was on Letterman again a few weeks ago, and sat down in the chair saying, "I had a hard time making it in due to the sniper fire."  It cracked everyone up, including Dave.

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    I don't want (4.50 / 2) (#60)
    by Salo on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:55:00 PM EST
    to get into the humour wars, but there is a serious lack of humour among his supporters.

    Jeez, the guy has the upper hand and will get the nomination but their skins are so thin you'd think ABC  were actually being unfair to him in the last debate.  They can laugh off nearly everything that Clinton does to Obama from now on--but they don't.

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    My brother...60+ old (5.00 / 4) (#71)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:02:22 AM EST
    ethnic guy, his comment about Obama from the beginning, the guy has no sense of humor--he kept saying how he cannot like anyone without a sense of humor.  My brother loves Hillary's laugh, it reminds him of our mom.  

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    I love her laugh also (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:15:53 AM EST
    She lets it rip.

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    His supporters are funny, (5.00 / 4) (#82)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:08:09 AM EST
    they just don't realize it. Heh.

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    careful of those self-fullfilling prophecies (none / 0) (#93)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:14:16 AM EST
    unless you want him to get the nomination.  Beware of "The Secret" oh noes!

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    How generous you are! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:19:01 PM EST


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    No, really -- I don't connect with him at all (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by katiebird on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:24:00 PM EST
    so I'm no judge.

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    nah, it wasn't just you (none / 0) (#15)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:32:30 PM EST


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    Top Ten was surprisingly bad (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:18:43 PM EST
    Even at the Orangy blog, (I did a search) there is a mysterious silence about his appearance.

    One of the few comments I saw was titled "Ugh" and bemoaned how bad he is on satellite.

    I watched it and thought the writers "kneecapped" Obama with bad jokes. (as Clyburn would say)

    He even mentioned his bowling score!! Yikes, that judgement strikes again...

    #2 was funny (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by BarnBabe on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:39:48 PM EST
    2. This has nothing to do with the Top Ten, but what the heck is up with Paula Abdul?
    Maybe because it was talked about this morning in the press.
    9. In the Illinois primary, I accidentally voted for Kucinich.
    Those two were the best IMO.

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    I liked "Barackiest" (none / 0) (#46)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:48:22 PM EST


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    I wonder if that is related to the (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:53:45 PM EST
    Obamameter they had at Harvard. Something to do with schmoozing the profs.

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    yea makes sense (none / 0) (#100)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:17:43 AM EST
    I wonder how many people know about that?

    The American public knows very little about Obama's college days, isn't that strange?

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    Not strange (none / 0) (#147)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:19:04 AM EST
    When you consider how much the media is in love with this guy.  They aren't going to print anything negative about his college days, or anything else.   We don't know anything about this guy, and we won't find out, if the msm can prevent it.  

    Can anyone say that they think Obama would be a fun guy to spend some time with?  Go out to dinner with or out for a beer? Throw in his wife, and the idea sounds down right scary.    Would it be fun to spend and evening with Hillary and Bill?  Oh hell yeah.  I have no doubt that I'd be laughing my butt off and having a blast.  

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    It is easier to (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by Leisa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:24:17 PM EST
    read from a scripted "top ten" list than to answer tough questions...  so where is the comparison?

    Yes,  some of us prefer dessert before our nutritional dinner.  Hmm...  is that why some do not choose Hillary?  They do not want to eat broccoli?

    Hillary is the only person in contention for POTUS worthy of the White House in my opinion.  She goes out there and shows us how much she is paying attention to what is happening in the world today.  She "gets it" and she cares about our health...  dinner before dessert!

    every so often... (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:28:05 PM EST
    we need dessert...just well...cause.

    actually margaritas will suffice.

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    Oh dear. You guys may know this already (5.00 / 9) (#10)
    by Teresa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:28:31 PM EST
    but I just read a post by Jerome on MyDD about Obama's mailer to the people of Oregon. This is funny...

    Yes, except that the Obama campaign mailed it in for this document, stating in the section under About Caring for our Veterans: "As president, Obama will ensure we honor the sacred trust to care for Pennsylvania's 1.1 million Veterans."

    And then in the section on "Clean up our Water" we learn new geography!

    H]e will continue his leadership in protecting national treasures like the Great Lakes from threats such as industrial pollution, water diversion, and invasive species.

    Link to MyDD

    Obama has a horrible sense of humor.... (5.00 / 6) (#12)
    by Shainzona on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:30:19 PM EST
    and an even worse knowledge of geography.

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    Axelrod's crony with the direct mail contract (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:32:26 PM EST
    is going to get a talking to!

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    this should be on an open thread (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:33:05 PM EST


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    I know. Sorry Jeralyn,I thought that's where (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by Teresa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:36:28 PM EST
    I was.

    It is funnier than the top ten, though?

    You can delete it for me and I'll try again.

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    Sorry. It was just foo funny to pass up. (none / 0) (#24)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:36:13 PM EST


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    I loved this bit ... (5.00 / 11) (#22)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:35:06 PM EST
    "Oregon to Barack: the Great Lakes are not in Oregon!"

    "When your Oregon plan is an afterthought, it's easy to make 1,700 mile mistakes," said Julie Edwards, Oregon Communications Director. "I hope that if Senator Obama comes to Oregon to debate, he finally learns a little bit about our state."

    It's the little things that count  :-)


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    PA and OR are in the same country (5.00 / 9) (#27)
    by Prabhata on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:36:36 PM EST
    Maybe BO is out of touch or too tired to care.  Maybe Hillary was right about that 3AM call

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    I wonder if this (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:26:02 AM EST
    will make Oregonians "bitter"?

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    No way! (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by zyx on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:45:49 AM EST
    We got an Obama mailer at our Oregon household, and I just dove into the recycling container to fish it out and look for that.  Ours must be a different one.  No howlers like that.

    It struck me as peculiar (again), though, because it is addressed to my 25-year-old son, and the campaign seems to be convinced that he is either an educator or the concerned parent of a young school child (who needs to be given the turn-off-the-teevee-and-video-games speech).  

    My son doesn't fit either of those profiles--he'd probably rather read about plans to clean up the Great Lakes, thousands of miles away.  

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    Thanks, Teresa! (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by oldpro on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:33:05 AM EST
    I sent it off to Obama-inclined family and friends in Oregon...heh...

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    OMG (none / 0) (#59)
    by Benjamin3 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:55:00 PM EST
    . . . are they losing focus?

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    Barack's "Top Ten List" (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:31:34 PM EST
    Topic was : Little known facts about Barack Obama (or something like that)

    1. My first act as President will be to stop the fighting between Lauren and Heidi on "The Hills"

    2. In the Illinois primary, I accidentally voted for Kucinich. (there goes the massive Kucinich demographic, doh!)

    3. When I tell my kids to clean their room, I finish with "I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message.

    4. Throughout high school, I was consistently voted "Barackiest".

    5. Earlier today, I bowled a 39!
    (was it smart of you to remind America of this?)

    5. I have cancelled all my appearances the day the "Sex in the City" movie premieres.
    (way to shore up that male vote...)

    4. It's the birthplace of Fred Astaire. (Sorry, that's a surprising fact about Omaha)
    (this is a comedy show,  right?)

    1. We are tirelessly working to get the endorsement of Kentucky Derby favorite Colonel John. (is it smart to imply desperation in seeking endorsements?)

    2. This has nothing to do with the Top 10, but what the heck is up with Paula Abdul?
    (drank too much kool-aid?)

    1. I have not slept since October.
    (want a pillow?)

    what's lauren and heidi and (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:34:25 PM EST
    the hills?

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    no clue... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:43:19 PM EST
    But someone slipped "It's Not Easy Being Green" into the moody soundtrack for Angel.

    I was in one ipod music space and got jolted out by the green song.

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    Lorne! (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Nasarius on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:18:22 AM EST
    Now I want a seabreeze.

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    ::thwap to the head:: (none / 0) (#106)
    by kredwyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:20:57 AM EST
    That explains that. Mystery solved.

    ::shakes head and goes to bed::

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    You don't want to know (5.00 / 4) (#50)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:50:57 PM EST
    but since you asked -- MTV scripted-reality show about some OC teen brats -- and that is a kind description. LC & Heidi are the Alexis and Krystal* characters.
    *(from Dynasty for those who are too young to get the reference).

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    LC = Lauren btw (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by angie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:53:00 PM EST
    I am so ashamed I know this.

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    will they fight... (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:53:59 PM EST
    in the pond?

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    I think it's like a teen drama (none / 0) (#35)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:42:19 PM EST
    Show about Laguna Hills on MTV.  Don't take this as the final word on the subject though :)

    Again though, how does any of those that list help him favorability in any way? I have no clue.  Bizarre that he bothered to do the appearance at all, quite frankly.

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    MTV is still around? (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:43:56 PM EST
    Wow...who knew?

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    It may not be MTV (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:49:14 PM EST
    I'm already getting embarassed that I have some of this knowledge about the Hills floating around in my head.  Don't ask any more!

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    I know the feeling... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:52:46 PM EST
    A few weeks ago I got so hooked on Bones that I went looking for blogs discussing the serial killer storyline they've got going on. Started trying to translate a French one cause it had what I was looking for.

    It was a very strange moment...

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    Laguana Beach (none / 0) (#114)
    by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:23:47 AM EST
    is where the show started & after high school, LC moved to LA, so now it is called "The Hills" -- I swear I've never watched it.
    Ok, I've embarrassed myself enough for one day.  

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    ok I feel better (none / 0) (#128)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:41:59 AM EST
    I didn't know that much about it afterall.  So the Hills refers to Hollywood Hills.  But wait!! I do remember seeing one of the first episodes where the girl was getting a gig at a magazine or something.  It was all so cool and hip omigosh.

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    That is pitiful. (none / 0) (#28)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:37:36 PM EST


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    Wow (none / 0) (#190)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:52:59 AM EST
    That was lame. And the Lauren and Heidi thing is a recycling of Hillary's "I will bring peace and stability to The View."  I guess Letterman's writers are getting bored.

    Was there an interview?

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    Krugman nailed BO again (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by imhotep on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:35:09 PM EST
    on his remarks on Fox crediting Repug ideas on the environment, and on health care.

    Well, I'm gl;ad (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:23:14 AM EST
    Hillary didn't pander to Fox by throwing core Democratic ideals under the bus.

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    Krugman (5.00 / 4) (#116)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:27:26 AM EST
    the only honest analyst left.  

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    Nailed (5.00 / 3) (#161)
    by facta non verba on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:48:25 AM EST
    is putting it mildly. Ripped him a new one is more the impression I had.

    Obama just can't talk substance. Hillary tonight on Nightline and on Bill O'Reilly goes to a level of detail that is astounding. No wonder Obama doesn't want another debate. He keeps on saying there have 21 debates but really only 4 head to head since late January. That's one every 3 plus weeks. Hardly taxing.

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    I don't want to gloat (5.00 / 8) (#29)
    by Serene1 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:37:46 PM EST
    but this is really getting too much. I mean Hillary is definitely the superior candidate by far and yet the MSM, the Elite democrates and the O blogger set keep pushing a completely different story.

    I keep thinking that if Hillary was a male with similar qualifications and competencies she would have sailed through the nomination and both the O blogger set and the MSM would be eating out of her sorry his hands.

    The true irony (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:14:10 AM EST
    of Hillary's media coverage is the backlash it always causes.  We first saw it in New Hampshire.  The more she is bashed unfairly, the more it fires up her base.

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    So true (5.00 / 0) (#180)
    by AnninCA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:28:54 AM EST
    and one of the reasons it annoys me a lot to see her take heat for dividing the party.  Hardly.

    It was the bashing that did that, and that was the tact that Obama supporters took from Day 1.

    That galvanized the split.  Not race.

    Sometimes I wonder if people live in such foggy minds that they can't see what is obvious.  The exit polls don't show a racial split.

    So why do they keep thinking it's there if it's not?

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    The Nightline show (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:38:48 PM EST
    is about a day the show spent with Hillary in Indiana. The opening like was Hillary's on the Rise.

    Thought some of the questions (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:47:02 PM EST
    on Nightline were pretty bad though.  Kind of sounded like "why won't you leave barack alooonnnne" to me.

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    You can watch Nightline first (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by nycstray on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:38:51 PM EST
    after the Hillary interview you can see the Obama Top 10. Timing worked out well.

    Hillary's warmed up and having a good time. Really seems to be in her element these days :)

    I think the underdog role has suited her well (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Teresa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:42:03 PM EST
    if she can pull this out. Though, I saw today that Michelle says Obama is the underdog now.

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    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:11:09 AM EST
    I love it.  The inevitable underdog.

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    If he were really worried (none / 0) (#155)
    by boredmpa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:35:36 AM EST
    You'd think a certain someone would have got a brand new jet ski.

    Hey wait a sec, maybe the Edwards are gonna go jet skiing down in florida?

    Oh the suspense!

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    If Obama is the underdog... (5.00 / 5) (#139)
    by ghost2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:58:18 AM EST
    could Michelle explain why Obama superdelegates constantly call for Hillary to quit?

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    Hahahaha............now he's a victim? (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by SueBonnetSue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:24:46 AM EST
    Is there NOTHING they won't say or do to win?  

    GAG

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    Her element (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:47:38 PM EST
    is debate and conversation. Her ability to rattle off facts is amazing. No notes, no teleprompter. And she has a good sense of humor. Just watch the videos of her with Olberman and O'Reilly and any of the available interviews with editorial boards.

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    Where does she store all those facts?! (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by nycstray on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:58:10 PM EST
    I am constantly amazed at what she can rattle off on any issue that's tossed at her. When I'm in work environments, my brain is pretty darn good at storage and I rarely need notes (people who took notes would come to me for answers), but geeze, she's just nuts that way!

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    She has a (none / 0) (#158)
    by onemanrules on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:38:56 AM EST
    rather sharp mind and sometimes a vivid imagination that sometimes turns into facts.

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    Looks like Letterman forgot to (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:40:20 PM EST
    comb his hair. He looks like he just woke up.

    I don't know if Obama is getting tired (5.00 / 12) (#37)
    by myiq2xu on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:43:28 PM EST
    But I'm getting tired of Obama

    Debate-Dodger (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by LeftyFan on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:51:11 PM EST
    On FOX last Sunday, when Obama was giving his excuse for hiding from another debate with Hillary, he said:

    "I'm not ducking. We've had 21 (debates), and so what we've said is, with two weeks, two big states, we want to make sure we're talking to as many folks possible on the ground taking questions from voters," he said, so no debates.

    So, he has no time to debate Hillary because he wants to talk to as many folks on the ground as possible. Yet, he'll interrupt that `ground voter talk' to do David Letterman's Top 10 List, a Today show interview with Meredith Viera, and (what I'm sure will be) a Meet The Press lovefest this weekend with Tim Russert.

    I guess some regular-folk interruptions are OK as long as he doesn't have to stand next to Hillary.

    Well, Huffington . . . (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Benjamin3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:05:43 AM EST
    has been banned from NBC/MSNBC by Russert, so maybe Russert will decide to go after her candidate.  Who knows?

    I recall being stunned when Obama was on Meet The Press around the time of South Carolina.  Russert waved the famous "race baiting" memo at him and asked him about it.  Obama looked stunned and stammered that "we can't always control our surrogates."  The follow-up by Russert?  [crickets]

    I couldn't believe it.  Surrogates?  This memo was from his damn CAMPAIGN in South Carolina!

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    Her blog site (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by AnninCA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:31:08 AM EST
    should be removed from a lot of lists, in my opinion.  

    It's really a cesspool over there of misinformation.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#183)
    by magisterludi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:53:16 AM EST
    I always felt Kos had a supermarket tabloid kinda feel and the comment format  jumbly and incoherent on several levels.

    HuffPo has joined the same rank. Cacophonous bloggery.

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    Huff Po (none / 0) (#192)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:59:56 AM EST
    was supposed to be the liberal, INTELLIGENT alternative to Drudge.

    Now it's just Drudge with better graphics.

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    What do you mean she's been banned from (none / 0) (#97)
    by Teresa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:17:03 AM EST
    NBC/MSNBC?

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    she criticized Russert in her book (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:23:23 AM EST
    from what I've heard there was like 7 pages of vitriol directed toward Tim in the book, so NBC made an executive decision to block her from making promotional appearances on their networks.

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    She Was Booked For Several NBC/MSNBC (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:29:08 AM EST
    shows and word came down to cancel...presumably from Tim Russert who she must have offended in some way.  BTW, I hope Russert does go after Arianna's boy on sunday.

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    Don't hold your breath (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:59:02 AM EST
    Timmeh will ask tough questions like:

    • Why do you think Hillary Clinton wants to destroy the Democratic Party?

    • Don't you just hate Hillary's voice?

    and

    * Did you know that Hillary is, like, a lot older than you?

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    Hillary's comments re: gender (5.00 / 0) (#104)
    by americanincanada on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:20:10 AM EST
    tonight on Nightline were brilliant and I won't be surprised to see that clip played over and over as a rallying moment.

    what did she say? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:31:12 AM EST


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    Google Nightline (none / 0) (#133)
    by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:47:04 AM EST
    the video is already on-line.

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    thanks n/t (none / 0) (#135)
    by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:53:17 AM EST


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    Can't find anythng (none / 0) (#193)
    by Molly Pitcher on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:05:50 AM EST
    but the part about defection of SD.  Link?

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    Good interview (none / 0) (#195)
    by litigatormom on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:20:24 AM EST
    I thought the piece was very fair and unbiased.

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    I saw Hillary (5.00 / 6) (#149)
    by Rainsong on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:24:13 AM EST
    Clinton on Nightline, and both segments on O'Reilly, and Obama on Letterman.

    I'm biased - to me Obama passed his peak somewhere back around Ohio/Texas - but I see Hillary as increasingly hitting her stride, and a step or two beyond 'warming up'.

    Its great to see her getting some coverage, and positive serious coverage at that. For a long time there, she couldn't seem to get any coverage at all.

    I thought she handled the superdelegate defection issue on Nightline with brilliance and poise. She politely disagrees with a drawn out primary being bad for the Party, because of the huge excitement generated in all the states so far, the new voter registrations etc - and especially in the remaining states, and anybody who thinks its bad for the Party "is not paying attention" to the people.  

    I really like the way she ALWAYS pushes the Dem Party brand at every opportunity (and in spite of the fact that the Party is hardly giving her the time of day).

       

    Just watched it (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by facta non verba on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:52:37 AM EST
    adjectives used "tireless, relentess, determined"

    phrases: she's a fighter, in it to win it.

    message: jobs, jobs, jobs.

    was asked about the race being bad for the Party, about Iran, about Wright, about gender.

    Net positive for Clinton.

    I didn't watch anyone (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:50:41 AM EST
    I went to bed early and then Ta Da, I wonder why I'm awake at 4:00 am.

    if i spent an evening with (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by cpinva on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:25:38 AM EST
    bill and hillary, not only would i be in hysterics, i'd leave a more knowlegable person than i started the evening as.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by stefystef on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:54:32 AM EST
    Obama is getting real tired now.  He's pissed that Hillary won't just go away and allow him to be crowned.  Obama is tired of keeping the mask on...

    Hilary seems to have more energy than ever... and she is getting respect from people who thought she was evil.

    HIllary '08-  The Real Choice for Real Change

    The Top 10 list may have been bad (4.66 / 3) (#70)
    by ChrisO on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:00:34 AM EST
    I actually didn't see it. But I'm getting a little embarrassed at the tone of some of the anti-Barack comments here lately. So he did Letterman? So what? As has been pointed out, both candidates have done all kinds of shows. Obama's been under fire lately, and he's not looking good. I see nothing wrong with his campaign booking him on a late night show to deliver a (hopefully) funny bit. I don't think any candidate has ever been hurt by being intentionally funny on TV.

    As for reminding people about his bowling score, Hillary made a sniper fire joke on Leno.

    I'm totally in Hillary's corner, but some of the ridiculous piling on I see about Obama here is starting to get as bit Kos-like. It doesn't have the same evil tone, but it's a lot of the same kind of silly nitpicking. Just my two cents.

    Agreed. (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by MaryGM on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:07:39 AM EST
    So I'll say something nice about Barack:  His daughters are absolutely ADORABLE.

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    I can't speak for everyone else (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by angie on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:10:15 AM EST
    but I think it has a little to do with his claiming not to have the "time" to do a debate, but yet he can find time to do entertainment shows -- it just looks like he is resting on personality & avoiding the "hard" stuff -- you know, the stuff that shows he can handle the "hardest job in the world."

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    I don't think (5.00 / 10) (#86)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:10:49 AM EST
    anyone is suggesting he shouldn't have gone on Letterman to do the top ten, at least I'm not. And I thought he did okay.

    The MSM questioned the wisdom of the bowling comment. A few articles I read said he seemed tired and not funny, which is why I decided to see what our readers thought.

    There are a lot of Hillary supporters among the commenters here. There are few enough sites where they can express themselves without being criticized. There's no reason for you to come here to assail their "tone." By comparison to the commenters at sites favoring Obama, they are very civilized.

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    Then let me clarify (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by ChrisO on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:22:14 AM EST
    I didn't mean to assail anyone. Believe me, I appreciate as much as anyone having a place where I can express my support for Hillary, and where people are respectful. I guess the comparison to Kos was over the top. I'm just seeing a bit of high schoolishness in the comments recently. It's not a big deal, I just felt like people used to be a little less trivial in their criticisms of Obama. I'll stop now.

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    I for one... (5.00 / 8) (#136)
    by white n az on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:53:59 AM EST
    reserve the right to be as trivial as I wanna be regarding Obama though I rarely exercise that option.

    What you are not taking into account is:

    • Obama has had a large hand in splitting the party through race baiting
    • The stream of Obama supporters that drop in without any desire to participate except a drive by fruiting with predictable talking points...often out of date.
    • Many of us were subjected to insults at sites like DK just because we didn't support The Precious™ (h/t - lambert)
    • Having to endure stupid main stream media divisives such as MSNBC and Randi Rhodes


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    I really hope a large part (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by RalphB on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:54:53 AM EST
    of the high schoolishness is an attempt to inject a bit of humor into the primaries.  

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    The top ten (none / 0) (#182)
    by AnninCA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:32:39 AM EST
    lines are rarely hilarious.  I liked his bowling score going up.  :)  That was funny.

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    very well said (none / 0) (#107)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:21:03 AM EST
    Can I just say that for my part, most of the criticism was aimed at the writers and the judgement behind the choice of jokes, not at Obama personally.  I haven't really seen anyone here suggesting that Obama shouldn't go on a late night show to try to be funny.  On the contrary, as the potential future nominee of our party I would love it if he would have a great sense of humor.  I want us to have the best possible chance of winning in November and whether some like it or not, even little details like what does or does not happen on these tv appearances can sway the electorate in the long run.

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    It's not so much that he does those shows, (5.00 / 4) (#102)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:19:24 AM EST
    it's that he doesn't really do much else. He won't discuss policy, plans, or take hard questions from reporters or voters. Hillary does these shows between interviews that discuss policy in detail, she talks to the voters about what she is planning to do for them, she is connected and specific. And she is funny. She uses these shows to show she has a sense of humor because when discussing the economy, the war, or job loss it is not appropriate to make jokes. If Obama did the same sort of discussions, he wouldn't get heat for this sort of show. But he doesn't, so he does.

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    I think the problem is also (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Serene1 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:32:19 AM EST
    because sometimes Obama comes across as too serious or intellectual for his own good. He needs to relax a bit and look like he is enjoying himself. The top ten list were actually kind of quite funny but the delivery unfortunately was not as.

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    Delivery (none / 0) (#156)
    by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:37:02 AM EST
    And there in lies the problem. Can he deliver in November?

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    His surrogates try to get her to quit while he (5.00 / 3) (#164)
    by andrys on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:02:19 AM EST
    ...while he refuses to debate, talking about 21 debates but only 3 or so in which he had to face her and it's clear her energy and mind for detail is way up there while his is flagging -- and yet, everyone he gets over to his side, first thing, tries to get Hillary to quit.

      I find that abominable.  The Andrew guy today attacked her for all the things he was sure she'd do or say to him over his decision, while he talked about 'new politics' and practiced 'old politics' more intensely than I've seen in a couple of weeks.  

      Obama encourages this - that his opponents should drop out (that's his history and he's comfortable only with that while playing Mr. Nice Guy).  It's very wearing.

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    It's not just here (none / 0) (#170)
    by mffarrow on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:32:28 AM EST
    and it's not just anti-Obama comments.  This intra-Democrat primary fight has turned into something truly sad.

    All the blogs I used to love reading now have sniping posts about one candidate or the other, and attacks and insults on campaigns/campaign supporters in the comments.  When the "wrong" Democratic candidate gets attacked in the press, or bad poll numbers, it's celebrated.  

    There's no netroots community anymore, just different groups of blogs for Clinton, or for Obama. People comment that they could "never vote" for one of the two Democratic candidate for President, as if that is a source of pride.

    And meanwhile, McCain sails on to victory.

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    The blame for the same (none / 0) (#171)
    by Serene1 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:47:37 AM EST
    can be squarely laid on the DNC establishment and the liberal bloggers like kos & huffPo.

    The DNC establishment Brazille and co should never have taken sides and should have been objective. Instead Brazille threw the first partisan stone by accusing Bill Clinton of racisim on the fairy tale remark without even understanding its context.
    The above mentioned blogger sites with their hyper partisan support of Obama and purging of all Hillary supporters and commenters and by allowing all kinds of nutcase anti Hillary postings literally made Hillary supporters seek alternative shelter. That is why in most pro Hillary blogs the commenters may be anti Obama. And it is too late in the day to be rueing the same. What is done is done.

    Speaking for myself unless the DNC establishment makes ammends by counting Fl & MI and the above mentioned blogger sites apologize for their anti liberal behaviour I don't see how the rift can be healed.

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    what can we do? (none / 0) (#175)
    by mffarrow on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:05:13 AM EST
    I also think it was a mistake for the blogs to take sides, especially in such a nasty way.  

    We (the blogosphere) could be helping with voter registration, making ads against McCain, phonebanking, fundraising.  Instead, the focus is on tearing down another Democrat because they had the temerity to want to be President.

    But what can we (the community) do to fix this?  I proposed a short break from primary discussion on a few blogs, in order to focus on something else.  As you can imagine, that has not happened.

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    I thought Obama was OK (none / 0) (#69)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:59:32 PM EST
    The list wasn't funny or clever, but I thought his delivery was ok, he smiled and didn't seem tired.

    I was surprised Letterman addressed him as "Barack" instead of "Sen. Obama." Isn't that a little familial for someone who might be President? When I saw Hillary on the Tonight Show, Leno called her "Sen. Clinton." I'm not a Letterman watcher so maybe it's his usual practice, it just struck me as out of place.

    I can't remember how he addresses Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by nycstray on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:34:58 AM EST
    I think it's usually Senator, but he's very chummy with her on the show. And she's cool with pantsuit jokes  ;) I thought her 2/4 interview was very nice. It's youtubed if you haven't seen it. I think it was 2 perhaps 3 parts.

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    Senator (none / 0) (#152)
    by boredmpa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:26:33 AM EST
    I've been reading (well, skimming) a history of women presidential candidates, and it's interesting to see the emphasis on titles and/or jobs in different periods.  Early on in 1872 the candidate's job was heavily emphasized (mainly because she was a first--i believe a major lawyer and/or first female wall street broker).  Anyways, skip to middish-last century and there was a woman that had 20+ years in the house and senate and had her title dropped all the time--i think she even had a in-the-kitchen photo in one of the major papers.

    Anyway, in this case I wonder if Sen. Obama prefers barack as it de-emphasizes his washington identity.  Or not, cause without it he risks reminding folks of his lack of resume.

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    SEIU ad on the right (none / 0) (#125)
    by Stellaaa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:35:35 AM EST
    Has anyone clicked to see what the nurses will not forget?  And the disturbing fight scene in the ad on the right?  

    no why? (none / 0) (#129)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:13 AM EST
    I'm scared.

    Last week I kept seeing a very self-assured and somewhat pissed off blonde woman glaring at me in those ads and I was also scared.

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    we need open thread (none / 0) (#130)
    by diplomatic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:39 AM EST


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    ads? (none / 0) (#144)
    by boredmpa on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:12:45 AM EST
    I use mozilla firefox with noscript and adblock.

    No more ads on the nytimes, the bbc, anywhere. yay.

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    yes (none / 0) (#160)
    by bigbay on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:17:40 AM EST
    they broke up a Labor Notes meeting cause the nurses union leader was speaking. It was 19th century thug tactics.

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    Yes, read it and looked up more (none / 0) (#168)
    by Cream City on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:19:50 AM EST
    elsewhere from links there, googling names, etc. -- that took me to a good diary on it on DKos, actually.  It's an important story, and not just for those of us involved in the labor movement.

    Coming up in the next couple of days, btw, are annual commemorations of the martyrs in 1886 to the 8-hour day movement: May 4, Haymarket Square in Chicago; May 5, Rolling Mills site in Bay View in Milwaukee.

    I am part of the only group of workers in my state who are denied collective bargaining rights -- by state law.  At least the California nurses have that, so then they have to face physical intimidation.  (We just get other sorts of intimidation.)

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    Nixon? (none / 0) (#138)
    by Salo on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:56:37 AM EST
    ...

    Laugh In (none / 0) (#142)
    by themomcat on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:09:39 AM EST
    Sock It To Me! Goldie Hawn and many others got their start on that show.

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    How do you explain this? (none / 0) (#172)
    by Jane Smith on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:53:07 AM EST
    "I mean Hillary is definitely the superior candidate by far and yet the MSM, the Elite democrates and the O blogger set keep pushing a completely different story."

    Hillary Clinton is a good candidate but superior?

    Obama built his national campaign from scratch, raised more money, mostly from small contributions, got the majority of votes and pledged delegates, and won the support of the majority of elected superdelegates (Clinton does lead in party apparatchiks).  And before anyone starts repeating the line on Clinton leading in popular vote when Michigan and Florida are counted, please consider what she said when she needed to win New Hampshire:

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, New Hampshire Public Radio, Thursday, October 11, 2007:

    NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

    Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

    I think Hillary would be winning right now if not for things like that.  It looked like an attempt to cheat then, and it turned into a clear intent to cheat now.  This has diminished her in the eyes of many, myself included.  I used to respect Hillary Clinton quite a bit, and I still do, but not nearly enough to call her "superior" to Obama.

    If I am missing something, please let me know.

    Staying on the ballot (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:11:30 AM EST
    is an attempt to cheat now?  That is a laugher.

    I think Obama cheated Michigan by taking his name OFF the ballot.  Nobody said you had to take your name off the ballot, but he did and the result was to punnish VOTERS, not officials, VOTERS.

    And BTW, I agree Axelrod is excellent at running a campaign.  You think Obama is responsible for the ground game?  But Obama isn't the better CANDIDATE, isn't better at talking about policy, throws Democratic ideals under the bus. (e.g. Obama tauted REAGAN environmental policy on Fox News.  What a laugher!)

    Hillary, while not having as great a campaign, has a much better focus on Democratic issues, something the Obama supporters don't seem to care about anymore.

    Axelrod runs the better marketing machine, Hillary shows the better substance.

    Personally, I pick the latter.

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    Obama also sited The Schrub's HIV policy (none / 0) (#198)
    by americanincanada on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:48:47 AM EST
    as something to be proud of and to build upon during his Indy Star editorial board meeting.

    If you watch both his sit down and hers you will be shocked at the differences between them. She IS the far superior candidate.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong (none / 0) (#176)
    by magisterludi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:14:12 AM EST
    but I believe the whole ballot issue was a machination of the Obama campaign, because the internals were not favorable to Obama. Clinton chose to leave her name on the ballot.

    And why, if the votes were never intended to count, why did Obama surrogates like John Conyers and his wife make TV spots asking voters to vote "undecided" as a vote for Obama? At least Clinton didn't play cute with the voters.

    Donna Brazille asked for the heads of MI and FL voters when she pushed for the most severe sanctions on those two states, while SC, which also pushed "The Roolz", got off scot-free. Hmm-mm.

    Does that help with any missing pieces?

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    New commenter (none / 0) (#201)
    by waldenpond on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:15:14 AM EST
    I see this is your first comment... so I just wanted to let you know that you can use the search feature and look stuff up.  There have been numerous posts and comments on this if you want to review.  

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    DNC Goofs Dean on Stewart...Ind DNC guy on cable (none / 0) (#179)
    by Salt on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:26:09 AM EST

    there in is the problem for Nov the belief that no matter whom they run if it's good for the Party the country will waddle behind them because they hate George Bush.  Stewart questioned why the country should trust Democrats now to govern after so messing up the Primary.

    Also the former DNC guy from Ind looked like a J. Wright out for 15 minutes making the cable rounds he was using Bayh's name I believe Bayh needs to respond and Obama talking points and of course blaming Hillary the Btch ya know attacking her on CNN poor little victim he didn't want to be another Richardson, Terry pushed back on the personal attacks he was spewing.  Oh yeah don't recall the exact quote but something like you rubes don't get it this is politics not a tea party ....

    The reason (none / 0) (#196)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:30:00 AM EST
    that Hillary is so watchable on these shows, the reason she gets great ratings is that you can stand to watch her.  You can stand it because you know she isn't going to say anything that makes you seriously cringe, hide your eyes. You watch because you're interested in the notion that she could possible smack that interviewer down and you want to be there when it happens.

    Nightline, no big deal, but imagine candidate John Kerry doing direct blows with Bill O'Reilly. Not that O'Reilly is some great interviewer, but you have to be pretty on top of things to not let him mow you over with his BS.

    Hillary is awesome.  She NEEDS to be president.

    Comments now closed (none / 0) (#202)
    by Jeralyn on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:21:59 AM EST


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