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Hillary Criticizes Bush's Smear Of Obama

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:50:21 PM EST
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Via Politico. Senator Clinton said:

President Bush’s comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face of it, especially in light of his failures in foreign policy. This is the kind of statement that has no place in any presidential address and certainly to use an important moment like the 60th anniversary celebration of Israel to make a political point seems terribly misplaced. Unfortunately, this is what we’ve come to expect from President Bush.

Indeed.

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    Hillary Criticizes Bush's Smear Of Obama | 216 comments (216 topical)
    Her Smack Down Was Harder Than Obama's (5.00 / 21) (#1)
    by BDB on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:54:42 PM EST
    But then she doesn't have John Kerry and Tom Daschle in her corner.

    No kidding. We've found our fighting Dem. (5.00 / 9) (#2)
    by Teresa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:57:09 PM EST
    Please, please, Oregon...help us out.

    [ Parent ]
    Polls in Oregon (3.33 / 3) (#56)
    by 1jane on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:45:25 PM EST
    One poll 0-55 and C-34
    Another O by 14 and another,O by 12.

    The problem is Oregonians have a vote by mail system and we have 19 days to get our ballots in by the May 20 deadline. It is not uncommon to see people sitting having an iced tea in a cafe filling out their ballot. So it is difficult to persuade voters in Oregon because over 50% have already voted. There will be a mad rush of ballot drop offs over the next 5 days.

    I visited the elections department. Voters signatures are verfied 3 times and then the ballot is placed in a precinct box unopened until the morning of May 20th when a machine rips them open and the ballot is scanned. The scanned ballots are then tabulated. This continues all day long with a Democrat and Republican observer at each station, since this morning, 5/15 the signature, precinct sorting station and on the 20th the tabulation station. We expect over 80% voter turn out statewide.

    Voters in Oregon have learned that the sooner they turn in their ballots the fewer phone calls from campaigns come into their home. We sit in blissful silence during dinner.

    The Clinton Campaign has relied on phone banking to get out the vote. The Obama campaign goes door-to-door with the goal of speaking to every Democrat and Independent in each assigned precinct. The established campaign practices are not working for the Clinton campaign, while hoards of canvassing teams work every day with 2 to 4 shifts sent out daily. This weekend several teams from other states will swarm in to support more canvassing.

    My prediction, when reviewing the GOTV is the Clinton campaign will have been out worked, out organized and  under utilized a zippy welcoming approach that really seems to work for Obama. All of the Obama workers are to a person.... friendly, polite and helpful. I don't know what kind of training was given but the level of politeness has been incredible. I have personally observed Obama supporters shushing each other if someone makes a negative comment about Clinton with the reminder, "Remember we don't campaign that way."  

    [ Parent ]

    But Clinton remains the better choice. (5.00 / 7) (#62)
    by pie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:48:15 PM EST
    Chew on that, sweetie.

    [ Parent ]
    kudos to the Obama folks (5.00 / 5) (#64)
    by bjorn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:48:39 PM EST
    It does sound a little like the very nice mormon missionaries coming to the door, but it sounds like it is working

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, geez. I just read this: (5.00 / 15) (#67)
    by pie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM EST
    I have personally observed Obama supporters shushing each other if someone makes a negative comment about Clinton with the reminder, "Remember we don't campaign that way."  

    Words fail me.

    [ Parent ]

    I don't believe that for a second (5.00 / 11) (#78)
    by cherubic18 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:46 PM EST
    I got a call from a young guy asking me to vote for Obama.  When I told him that I'd already mailed in my ballot for Hillary, and wouldn't vote for Obama in the general if he were the nominee, he hung up on me.

    I guess the abrupt dial tone was more polite than calling me a racist b**, yeah?

    [ Parent ]

    I got an Obama (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by PainKillerJayne on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:52:26 PM EST
    call before the ohio primaries from Obama's supporters. When asked who i was voting for I replied Hil. They kept asking me why not Obama? I grew frustrated and finally said I have made it clear my choice is Hillary. Putz. What don't they get about some people just don't believe the hype.

    Hillary to Denver!!!!!!

    [ Parent ]

    I would have hung up on you too (none / 0) (#201)
    by Newt on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:43:16 AM EST
    Why on earth would you NOT vote for the Democrat candidate if it's Obama? You don't really think McCain is a better choice for our country do you?  Is a pride thing, or just spite?

    Yeah, I would have hung up.

    [ Parent ]

    Gee, that's a surprise (none / 0) (#208)
    by Dr Molly on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:16:35 AM EST
    Because Obama supporters have become so well-known for their manners and their respect for others who don't hold their opinions.

    [ Parent ]
    Speaking of hang-ups (none / 0) (#210)
    by kempis on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:55:10 AM EST
    WTF?

    Was McCain running against Obama in the Ohio primary?

    What are you talking about?

    [ Parent ]

    If this picture is true... (5.00 / 7) (#80)
    by lambertstrether on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:56:14 PM EST
    ... it's only because of massive pushback from us.

    Of course, in my town it wasn't true at all.

    [ Parent ]

    Leaving off.... (5.00 / 9) (#83)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:57:42 PM EST
    the end of that story, of course.

    "And, then, they laugh hysterically and scratch their cheek."

    [ Parent ]

    ...brush off their shoulders. (5.00 / 7) (#107)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:13:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    "We don't campaign that way..." (5.00 / 7) (#90)
    by kempis on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:02:25 PM EST
    Funny, a friend of mine in Cleveland was told the same thing by an Obama volunteer who told that exact same tale evidence that Obama was, indeed, running a more elevated campaign....Do you suppose this is a coincidence? Like the "fainting woman" who was always coincidentally right near the front of the stage so Obama could see her and call for paramedics and assure people that she just needed "a sip of water."

     

    [ Parent ]

    I have personally observed Obama (5.00 / 15) (#106)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:12:14 PM EST
    ..supporters (on television) booing at Hillary Clinton in person.

    [ Parent ]
    Note that we low-information (5.00 / 11) (#144)
    by liminal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:43:37 PM EST
    unedumacated hillbillies in West Virginia did not boo Obama when Hillary mentioned him in her victory speech.  We booed when she mentioned the media telling her to quit, but not when she mentioned  him.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm moving to Oregon (5.00 / 8) (#85)
    by Lahdee on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:34 PM EST
    cause I just can't get enough of that "zippy welcoming approach."


    [ Parent ]
    How strange. (5.00 / 5) (#118)
    by lilburro on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:21:01 PM EST

    I don't know what kind of training was given but the level of politeness has been incredible

    Please tell them to go forth and be fruitful.  And never visit Daily Kos.

    [ Parent ]

    I am glad you left out "multiply" (5.00 / 4) (#122)
    by bjorn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:22:36 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Do you (5.00 / 4) (#160)
    by Leisa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:17:47 PM EST
    realize that many of these door to door salespeople are paid by .orgs like Move On??

    Bamboozle, yes he can...  

    Good job, highly educated, upper crusty folks, you just sniffed out a lemon and you like it... (clarification for smart literal people, I will say that I do like the smell of lemons, just not the idea of them, as in lemons are duds)

    Obama appeals to your "higher nature" huh?  Get over yourself.  We are all on this planet together and you and your highfalutin ideas of what should be or what is right just does not fit into the construct of human nature.  

    You "know" what we need, we just refuse your high minded prescription.  You see, many of us have been around and studied enough to know this...  elitism is corrupting, thinking your are somehow superior to others or the "cream of the crop" is a huge ego trip that leads to human catastrophe.

    You may want to claim the the "highly educated" prefer Obama.  That is fine.  What that tells me is that our educational system has finally achieved making the US a perfect consumerist society.  Bend your "highly educated " mind around that...


    [ Parent ]

    Voting Early (none / 0) (#211)
    by creeper on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:02:35 AM EST
    It's discouraging to read that Oregonians voted early so they were off the calling lists.  So much happens late in a campaign that could affect one's choice.  

    I don't have much sympathy for this.  I live in Iowa.  You think YOU get calls....?

    [ Parent ]

    John Kerry and Tom Daschle (5.00 / 16) (#6)
    by andgarden on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:59:46 PM EST
    If you absolutely positively have to lose an important race, accept no substitutes.

    [ Parent ]
    The Return of Daschle (5.00 / 15) (#24)
    by BDB on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:19:09 PM EST
    is stunning to me.  There really is no punishment in the democratic party for losing or being weak and ineffective.  

    [ Parent ]
    Of course not (5.00 / 6) (#27)
    by hitchhiker on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:23:08 PM EST
    Punishment is reserved for competence and strength.

    [ Parent ]
    lol (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by Saxon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:24:56 PM EST
    i was wondering the same when i saw Daschle on the cable blabbering away about how obama is going to ... blah blah

    [ Parent ]
    yup (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Salo on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:34:26 PM EST
    He's the "mastermind" of the Western Strategy.

    [ Parent ]
    and winning. (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:25:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yeah but (5.00 / 7) (#79)
    by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:54:58 PM EST
    at least we're cleaning out that goshdarned lobbyist influence.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh. (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by pie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:04 PM EST
    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    [ Parent ]
    BO-endrs'd by Mondale Dukakis Kerry Daschle (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Ellie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:40:01 PM EST
    Really, after that harbinger of fortune isn't the actual worst and most expensive landslide loss in history only a formality?

    [ Parent ]
    Ah, (5.00 / 5) (#58)
    by pie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:46:26 PM EST
    like parents trying to achieve success in sports through their children.  

    Pitiful bunch.

    [ Parent ]

    You Forgot McGovern (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by BDB on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:06:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Carter (5.00 / 3) (#103)
    by pie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:08:20 PM EST
    at least won once.

    [ Parent ]
    And Edwards (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by cigan on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:43:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Funny (none / 0) (#215)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:04:53 PM EST
    Mondale wasn't able to carry Massachusetts.  A problem Obama may have also.

    [ Parent ]
    And a bit of invention (none / 0) (#212)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:19:41 AM EST

    "President Bush's comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face... "

    The only problem, is that Bush made no such comparison.  If you think otherwise, where is the quote?

    Signature Song
    [ Parent ]

    She has great imagination (none / 0) (#213)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:21:34 AM EST

    "President Bush's comparison of any Democrat to Nazi appeasers is both offensive and outrageous on the face... "

    The only problem, is that Bush made no such comparison.  If you think otherwise, where is the quote?

    Signature Song
    [ Parent ]

    Nice... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:58:01 PM EST


    She's genuinely concerned (5.00 / 7) (#49)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:38:53 PM EST
    about this country, it stands to reason she would speak to bush's ridiculous comments.

    I'm still not convinced they were directed at Obama. Bush is known for making blanket criticisms just to self-defend his own policy blunders when no one else will stand up for him.

    Not everything is about Obama.

    [ Parent ]

    psst! (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:11:44 PM EST
    So this is where you've been hiding. I wondered where you went to.

    Not to chat it up, but ... :D

    [ Parent ]

    Hey... (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:32:08 PM EST
    Yeah. I took off from internet stuff for about a few weeks back in Feb...and then I just couldn't go back into the fray.

    So I didn't.

    Am still at the same email.

    And someone needs to tell LostAirman that retribution ratings are not a good thing.

    [ Parent ]

    Who's LosrAirman? (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:41:24 PM EST
    TalkLeft makes my browser crash (yea, I know, I need to upgrade the computer), so I can't check it out. Also can't rate because I had to turn them off to be able to read the site.

    I haven't checked my other email in weeks, but I'll get over there tomorrow and email you.

    I'd do it now but I'm making an offer on a house tomorrow and am busy having a nervous breakdown over it.

    I have to go rest now due to the exhaustion of all of it. :P

    I'm glad I found you, tho.

    [ Parent ]

    Breathe...no panicing... (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:45:39 PM EST
    Very exciting for you to buy a new house.

    Am trying to get things straightened up for a parental visit. ::sigh::

    LA seems to be a new user who decided to pass off talking points earlier. When I countered one of them he offered a conflation of hooey with the addition of Monica for good measure. Nevermind that happened years after the point I was referring to.

    Get some sleep. Hugs...and upgrade your computer.

    [ Parent ]

    I call it (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:54:06 PM EST
    The Bunker. :D

    Tornado shelter, gorgeous metal roof, the works.

    Interior is a complete disaster, but the house itself would survive The Apocalypse.

    Now I really do have to go lay down and make myself forget. I'll find you tomorrow and fill you in ...

    [ Parent ]

    ah...Oklahoma... (none / 0) (#185)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:13:33 PM EST
    have been there a couple times (Turner Falls mostly).

    We need an open thread. I just watched CSI...and the bad guy shot Warrick in the neck.

    [ Parent ]

    Formerly known as Runs with Scissors, too? (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by Teresa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:51:19 PM EST
    I was tabbycat in tenn for many years over there. Glad you are here.

    [ Parent ]
    That's me (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:57:03 PM EST
    Runs With Scissors, busy evoking fear and mayhem wherever she goes.

    Well, okay, maybe not so much.

    I'm so glad to see you, too, even though I'm scared of cats. :P I guess everyone's here!

    [ Parent ]

    lol, I'm a dog person. Just a nickname. (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Teresa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:02:03 PM EST
    Good luck with your house.

    [ Parent ]
    Again (5.00 / 14) (#4)
    by cmugirl on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:58:16 PM EST
    What class.  She could've ignored it and not come to Obama's defense, but she didn't.

    Exactly (5.00 / 12) (#14)
    by angie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:08:35 PM EST
    she could have ignored it -- as he has consistently ignored the sexist slams on Hillary -- and all the Dems are right to criticize Bush (the dumba$$$), however, I wonder how fast they would have all rushed out if Bush had targeted Hillary.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh,oh,oh....I know! Never. (5.00 / 12) (#17)
    by leis on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:13:07 PM EST
    She is once again proving her commitment to the dem party and frankly, they don't deserve her.  

    [ Parent ]
    That's not what 'they' think (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by nycstray on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:15:32 PM EST
    from the comments at the link:


    Thats the point,  we NEED Hillary to attack Bush and McCain.

    If she wants ANY future in our party she will have to do it.

    {speechless}


    [ Parent ]

    The irony of it is that Hillary has probably (5.00 / 14) (#31)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:24:59 PM EST
    been in the Democratic Party longer, and done a lot more for it, than the writer of that comment. Or any of those comments, I would guess. She and Bill have raised TENS OF MILLIONS for Democrats over the years. They have also campaigned when asked. What the hell has that writer done besides spout drivel all over the internet? I would really like to know!! "our party" Grrrrrrrr.

    [ Parent ]
    touche (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by bjorn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:26:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Tens of Millions??? (5.00 / 5) (#184)
    by stefystef on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:06:44 PM EST
    Try hundreds of millions of dollars for the Dems.  And took all the slings and arrows from the Republicans.

    Hillary did what you were supposed to do to make connections, work on legislations, support your party and earn your positions.  Obama jumped the line, and you can tell with his unscripted responses.

    Hillary is a class act.  And perhaps, too good for the Democratic Party, IMO.

    [ Parent ]

    Probably (none / 0) (#216)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:14:26 PM EST
    one of the legions of Neophytes for Obama.

    Our party indeed.  Their party will look something like a 21st century version of the Whigs.  Arrogant, elitist losers.

    [ Parent ]

    I suspect (5.00 / 7) (#37)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:27:35 PM EST
    that commenter has been in the Democratic party for 15 minutes ;-).

    [ Parent ]
    And will leave as soon as their dude isn't (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by leis on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:29:25 PM EST
    crowned grand poobah.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh I could smack those people seriously. (5.00 / 9) (#38)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:27:38 PM EST
    I might have to go into therapy for anger management to survive the bs of idiots. I know I shouldn't let them get to me, but its just sooooooo harrrrddd.

    [ Parent ]
    Do You Think,,, (5.00 / 6) (#86)
    by AmyinSC on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:45 PM EST
    It could be GROUP therapy?!?!

    [ Parent ]
    Unfortunately, I've read articles (none / 0) (#190)
    by oculus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:42:35 PM EST
    concluding people who attend anger mgt. classes just reinforce their anger by talking publicly with other similarly-enraged individuals.  Beware.

    [ Parent ]
    It's hard to deal with baby Democrat Obamabots (none / 0) (#202)
    by Newt on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:02:27 AM EST
    but they'll grow up eventually.  The fact is, we need them, big time.  The reason Bush 1+2 got away with hijacking our country is because we didn't do our jobs.  It wasn't good enough to just vote, we needed to get others to agree with us and be inspired enough to get to the polls themselves.  We're still not reaching who we need to.  I have friends and associates in the military who still think Clinton, Obama, McCain are all just dishonest politicians with minor differences, and they can't really see a reason to pay attention to politics long enough to form an informed opinion.  And these people are in the military, talk about a group who should be pretty vested in the outcome of this election!

    At the very least, Obama has inspired millions of new Democrats and reengaged others who gave up on the system long ago.  When those voters go to the polls next fall, they'll check Democrat everywhere on their ballots.  And THAT is the beauty of his presidential bid.  

    No Republicans Left Behind in `08

    [ Parent ]

    Ignorance (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by pie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:36:54 PM EST
    truly is bliss.

    You can't fix stupid.

    Nice job, Hillary!

    [ Parent ]

    LOL -- I think I'm doing something that night (5.00 / 5) (#72)
    by Ellie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:09 PM EST
    if she wants ANY future in our party ...

    Sheez, who are these mini-brains anyway? I'm getting this disturbing sense of a neo-Boss Politics never before witnessed on the landscape.

    It's a political machine comprised entirely of a mix of Big Bosses, Lesser Bosses, Slightly Lower down Bosses, Medium Bosses, Lil'Bosses, Teensy-Bosses and Micro-Bosses.

    And it doesn't go no matter how much coin you put in the slots.

    [ Parent ]

    OOPS! From Steve M's link below (none / 0) (#21)
    by nycstray on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:16:54 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Honestly, I think the comments are (none / 0) (#28)
    by leis on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:23:14 PM EST
    interchangeable from the link on top.  SSDD

    [ Parent ]
    Agreed (5.00 / 8) (#57)
    by BernieO on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:45:27 PM EST
    The Democratic party is beyond stupid to repudiate the Clintons. Bill's legacy should be touted by all since it is proof positive that it is Democrats who know how to govern - balanced budgets, surplus, millions moving out of poverty, an economy which benefits all, effective diplomacy - what more could you ask? To turn their backs on this recors the way that Dem leaders do is shear lunacy. And to prefer Obama to Hillary is political suicide.
    I am dumbfounded to see just how delusional the party leadership is. Maybe Hillary and Bill need to start the Reality-Based Party since both Democratic and Republican leaders live in fantasy worlds.

    [ Parent ]
    Reality is so 1990's (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by stillife on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:50:05 PM EST
    Get with the program!

    [ Parent ]
    There is another (none / 0) (#217)
    by cal1942 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:50:22 PM EST
    little factoid that really makes Clinton haters heads explode:

    The Clinton Administration was one of the cleanest in American history.

    No appointee in the administration was tried, convicted or even indicted of any crime involving their public duties.

    Investigated in more detail than any other administration. But in the end, nothing. Certainly not for lack of effort.

    Try that test for any other administration.

    So Obama assaults the Clinton Administration. And his worshippers, like lemmings, follow along.

    Ever hear a Republican assault the Reagan Administration?

    I didn't think so.

    [ Parent ]

    Good for Clinton (5.00 / 11) (#5)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:59:12 PM EST
    Powerful response, and what Obama shoulda said.

    And (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:41:39 PM EST
    unfortunately he'll never say it.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Steve M on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:00:06 PM EST
    A different perspective.

    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:03:00 PM EST
    That was a good one.  I'm growing more and more certain that Al Rodgers is vying for Stephen Colbert's job.  

    [ Parent ]
    I mean really (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by IzikLA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:04:00 PM EST
    The lone bright spot is most of the commenters are sticking up for her.  Need we remind people that by Hillary attacking Bush she is helping Obama?  I am worried that some Democrats are having a hard time transferring their "Hillary is evil" attitude and not projecting it towards the people that deserve it.

    [ Parent ]
    Good grief. I guess we'll be waiting forever (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Teresa on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:04:55 PM EST
    for Obama or the blogs to defend Hillary when she is smeared. Maybe he should go back to posting pictures of mostly nude women.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't recognize (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:06:18 PM EST
    that diarist as the guy he used to be.

    [ Parent ]
    That can be said of many. (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Fabian on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:26:11 PM EST
    When I finally fled DK, I still wondered "Was it just me, or did all those people's e-personas suddenly morph into Something Else?".

    Were they ever representing the real Them or is this all just some online political D&D game?

    [ Parent ]

    It took her 8 hours? (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by Florida Resident on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:12:05 PM EST
    How long have we waited for Obama to come out in the defense of Hillary from all the misogynic attacks by Wright et al. ?

    [ Parent ]
    But you know (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by facta non verba on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:06:57 PM EST
    Obama repudiated Wright over his comments on America and for things like the Govt created the HIV virus. He never said a word about Wright's hate speech in that sermon on Jan. 13, 2008.

    the video is here:

    Hillary Ain't Ever Been Called

    [ Parent ]

    That's the kind of thing about him (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by Florida Resident on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:35:25 PM EST
    that sometimes makes me think that (I sincerely hope not) he may just agree with the comments.

    [ Parent ]
    You've got to be kidding. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by DJ on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:20:48 PM EST
    I can't believe it.

    [ Parent ]
    Believe It (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by themomcat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:26:01 PM EST
    There is nothing that HRC does that will not be smeared or denigrated by the Obamabots. They want to destroy her and Pres. Clinton. It is their passion and goal. But in the process they are destroying the chances of a Democrat in the White House and possibly destroying the Democratic Party. JMHO
    / "By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes." Macbeth, Wm. Shakespeare
    [ Parent ]
    Lunacy. (5.00 / 12) (#68)
    by madamab on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:37 PM EST
    They act as if she should have responded to the smear of Obama...as though it were Chelsea.

    She really is Obama's Mommy to them.

    Oh My Effing Gawd.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah, Al said (5.00 / 5) (#89)
    by Fabian on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:02:01 PM EST
    Hillary should have been all over it - instantly!

    Like, sh!t, man.  I think the lady has two full time jobs right now and she isn't going to be available to thrash every right wing bully who picks on poor Obama.

    This is soooo why a Obama/Clinton ticket is bad.  The right wing loves to make Dem men look weak and "effeminate".  And all they'll need to do is talk about how strong and forceful and tough and commanding Clinton is....and say nothing. at. all. about Obama and people will make the comparisons all by themselves.

    The truly ironic thing is that they won't be directly attacking anyone!  They'll be paying suspect compliments to Clinton is all.  Heck, McCain will probably be leading the charge.  He'll come across all gracious and gentlemanly by playing nice with the lady that he'll probably pick up some women voters that way.

    [ Parent ]

    The idiotic Obama Roolz: HRC isn't stumping for us (5.00 / 6) (#123)
    by Ellie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:26:49 PM EST
    Again, a historically unique standard for Sen HRC that she, and only she, in all political history is expected to fulfill.

    Since when has TeamObama actively, instantly and and in as straightforward a manner come to HRC's defense against any smear?

    They're as likely to be hurling the worst ones as responding to ugly ones themselves.

    Sheer infantile nonsense from TeamO. (And note: she's making inroads with a fraction of the budget that TeamO is spending. They can't even defend themselves against smears, real or perceived, spending three or four times as much.)

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah because Obama was the first... (5.00 / 9) (#112)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:16:06 PM EST
    ...to repudiate the pimping out Chelsea comment, wasn't he?

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edgar08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:47:05 PM EST
    What a doofus.


    [ Parent ]
    Sh!t for brains (none / 0) (#133)
    by feet on earth on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:37:25 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Great response. (5.00 / 10) (#8)
    by masslib on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:01:12 PM EST
    Let's nominate her.

    Nah.... (5.00 / 8) (#16)
    by kredwyn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:12:30 PM EST
    too assertive...
    might actually get something done...

    Bill!!!

    /snark

    [ Parent ]

    Nah.... (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by cosbo on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:13:23 PM EST
    Cuz we might actually win. Democrats are just not good at doing that.

    [ Parent ]
    Now THAT is what a President sounds like! (5.00 / 10) (#9)
    by Ellie on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:02:15 PM EST
    We deserve nothing less than this standard of leadership from the Dem nominee, and that's what we'll get from Sen. Clinton when she ascends to being the next President of the United States.

    (This all things to all people grooviness? Blech, I wouldn't reach for that sody pop on the hottest day of a heat wave.)

    Look How She Takes Up For obama....Like A (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:14:35 PM EST
    real leader would do.  Too bad obama has not learned a damn thing from Hillary...being smug, considering yourself above the fray and not wanting to look like you already know everything, will dampen any learning progress.

    And that is why (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by stillife on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:53:30 PM EST
    he reminds me of GWB.

    [ Parent ]
    make that appearing like you know everything... (none / 0) (#22)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:17:17 PM EST
    sorry

    [ Parent ]
    Obama looks weak (5.00 / 7) (#19)
    by Davidson on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:15:09 PM EST
    He needs all these Democrats to defend him when he's obviously not good at defending himself.  And, honestly, Bush didn't slam Obama; he has been making these comments for years now and Obama just came off as way too defensive.

    If we want any chance in November, we must nominate Clinton.  Obama going up against a certified war hero whose mythical maverick status is glorified terrifies me.  He'll get clubbed like a baby seal.

    agree (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by Saxon on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:23:31 PM EST
    my first thought was it was directed at Jimmy Carter ... there is a role model for obama:)

    [ Parent ]
    I think that's why Hillary (5.00 / 6) (#74)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:43 PM EST
    said "any democrat". I don't think she believed it was pointed at Obama, either.

    It does fit perfectly in that space shaped like a giant ego on Obama, though.

    If not ego, maybe just a case of the shoe fitting, and he recognized the similarity between the comment and his policy.

    [ Parent ]

    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by ruffian on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:44:04 PM EST
    Bush talks about all Dems that way - has for years, long before Obama was the presumptuous nominee.  She knows it was meant to apply to all of us.

    Yet another thing she 'gets' that Obama and his fans do not.

    [ Parent ]

    Or a baby deer (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by abfabdem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:33:45 PM EST
    like in that Disney movie . . . .

    [ Parent ]
    Do Tell...When Doesn't obama Look Weak? (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:43:13 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Looked pretty tough when he was (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by ruffian on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:45:20 PM EST
    throwing grandma under the bus.

    [ Parent ]
    That Is Because He Has Had So Much Practice! (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:53:01 PM EST
    If throwing people under the bus was an olympic sport, I see a gold medal in whacky baracky's future.

    [ Parent ]
    I guess the question is (none / 0) (#203)
    by Newt on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:10:28 AM EST
    what will you do to support our Democratic candidate if it's Obama?

    [ Parent ]
    Reject the premise (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by Dr Molly on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:20:36 AM EST
    Why do some people try to bully others into voting for THE DEMOCRAT or THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY no matter what? I don't get it. THE PARTY is an abstraction. Are people supposed to swear a loyalty oath to THE PARTY and vote for the nominee no matter if the nominee does not embody their principles? Personally, I think that's stupid. If the DEMOCRATIC PARTY abandons the principles that I hold dear and/or if the democratic nominee is someone I don't respect, well then too bad. I didn't swear allegiance to THE PARTY, I have free will.

    [ Parent ]
    Great defense (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by stillife on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:17:59 PM EST
    and no doubt it's WORM.

    Godwin's Law is the cheapest of arguments.  

    Interesting that Obama's response was the weakest by far of any that I've heard.

    He is trying to reassure supporters of (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:20:09 PM EST
    Israel that he is on their side.

    [ Parent ]
    Ah, yes, the Jewish vote (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by stillife on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:26:22 PM EST
    No one has done more for Israel than Barack Obama!


    [ Parent ]
    I Think I Saw HIm Eating a Matzaball Once... (none / 0) (#138)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:41:53 PM EST
    or was that a mothball. :)

    [ Parent ]
    heh heh (none / 0) (#139)
    by bjorn on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:42:51 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Meanwhile.... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by waldenpond on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:34:26 PM EST
    Just today he lumped her in with Bush (none / 0) (#163)
    by Joan in VA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 05:37:02 PM EST

    and McCain at a campaign event. How do you walk that back?
    .................................................

    The differences between Clinton and Obama are glaring.

    He did? Where? (none / 0) (#45)
    by masslib on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:37:37 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Link - PLEASE! (none / 0) (#61)
    by Fabian on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:48:11 PM EST
    Gotta see this one for myself.

    (Really got to stop the Bush comparisons - Just when you think he can't top his last gaffe, he does.)

    [ Parent ]

    I asked for one from (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by waldenpond on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:52:03 PM EST
    Joan.  I'll go shopping......

    [ Parent ]
    I saw it on CNN. (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Joan in VA on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:28:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Succient and to the point. (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by AX10 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:41:17 PM EST
    That's our Hillary!  The REAL fighter!

    Kudos to her for this (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by democrattotheend on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:47:09 PM EST
    I am an Obama supporter, but I appreciate Clinton doing the right thing here and standing up for Obama and against Bush. Props to her for being classy.

    I wouldn't have done it (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Edgar08 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:49:27 PM EST
    But then it's a good thing Clinton is better than me.

    I would have said something like "while attacks on Obama aren't really Obama's fault, they're there, and it's why I can unite the country better than he can."

    [ Parent ]

    Except they are his fault. (4.80 / 5) (#91)
    by madamab on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:03:48 PM EST
    Unlike HRC, who simply cannot help the fact that she has scary lady parts, Obama has absolutely earned attacks on his clueless foreign policy assertions.

    I have yet to hear Obama defend her once from all the BS and misogynistic crap slung at her for the past several months. He has been one of the slingees, much to his disgrace.

    He didn't even come out and denounce Steve "Hillary equals Glenn Close" Cohen, now did he?

    How anyone could think this smirking clown Obama is Presidential is beyond me. There is simply no comparison whatsoever between him and HRC.

    She is both the better candidate, and the more gracious and classy person.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama is also the only candidate (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 08:36:45 PM EST
    to have been endorsed by Hamas. So I think it was very nice of Hillary to come to his defense. She could have tossed him under his own bus, given his past associations and the endorsement. He would have done it to her in a NY minute if the circumstances were reversed. And McCain is going to use it against him in the GE, he would be a fool if he didn't. Why can't the DNC see that Obama is a fatally flawed candidate, mostly due to his own actions and associations? Are they blind or just stupid??

    [ Parent ]
    Seems They Have Other Objectives (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:05:32 PM EST
    that take priority over winning the WH.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, but he is presidential. You know, the NEW (4.50 / 2) (#117)
    by leis on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:19:20 PM EST
    kind. Brought to you courtesy of GWB.

    And I could not agree more. He has not once come to  the defense of ALL women regarding the pile-on of sexist remarks and attitudes. It's a flipping free for all.  

    Bottom line: I'm supposed to trust him with issues important to me when he has repeatedly snubbed my gender?  Why would I believe for one second that women wouldn't get more of the same?  

    It's Hillary or nobody for me in the general.

    [ Parent ]

    Right there with you (none / 0) (#121)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 07:22:03 PM EST
    at this stage of the game, after all the party and the O campaign have done, I would've gotten up and said,

    "There's Karma, right in her element" while casually lifting my finger to my cheek and scratching.

    [ Parent ]

    Too bad (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:51:12 PM EST
    Obama has to rely on someone else to defend himself.

    [ Parent ]
    And the (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:50:17 PM EST
    party wants to nominate a sure loser named Obama? A wimpy guy who whined about Bush's statement implying that it wasn't nice? Ugh. Ugh.

    The party really, really wants to lose in Nov. don't they? Obama can't even stand up for himself he has to have someone else do it for him? Double ugh.