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John Edwards Endorsement: Thread Three

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:48:39 PM EST
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He begins with long praise for Hillary and goes into a unity pronouncement. He was good.

Now he's getting to the endorsement.

He starts with issues, which is odd, since the Obama and Hillary are so similar on them.

Update: He's not mentioning one distinction between Hillary and Obama. He's just reciting Democratic values. If you didn't know he was going to endorse Obama, you would have no idea he wasn't going to end by endorsing Hillary.

Now he says the voters have made their choice and there is one man who knows how to create change and it is Obama. So that's the reason for endorsing Obama.

It's not about ending the race, not about who would be a better President or who can better beat McCain. [More...]

The rest of his endorsement is not about Obama but a repeat of his own campaign speeches about One America and poverty.

I heard no reason to support Obama over Hillary other than ending the race and unifying the party, which he calls "One America."

It's over. It could just as easily have been Hillary standing next to him receiving the endorsement. Did anyone hear an explanation of why Obama would be a better candidate to win against John McCain?

Update: My take having heard the speech: The party leaders are concerned that Hillary's win in W.Va. and her anticipated win in KY, although it won't be by the same margin, is causing people to conclude Obama can't win in November against McCain. They want to cut that argument in the bud and by rallying behind Obama now, they're hoping to redirect the conversation.

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    John Edwards is teaching Obama (5.00 / 7) (#1)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:50:21 PM EST
    I hope Obama listened to what he said about Hillary.  And if Obama can't get people to stop booing Clinton he won't win.

    p.s. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:52:12 PM EST
    how much better would the race have been if it had been Clinton and Edwards, he knows how to give a speech.

    [ Parent ]
    do you honestly think (5.00 / 6) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:43 PM EST
    he wants them to stop booing?

    [ Parent ]
    One would hope so (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:31 PM EST
    but if he wanted them not to boo, wouldn't he just have an advance person scold the crowd before the press turned on their cameras?

    [ Parent ]
    He had (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by wingman2007 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:50 PM EST
    a very broad smile on his face as if he thought it was cute.

    [ Parent ]
    Ugh (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:28 PM EST
    Obama grinned while they booed.

    [ Parent ]
    If you mean Obama - my answer is (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:57 PM EST
    he better and if you mean Edwards my answer is yes.

    That booing must be addressed immediately by Obama if he wants to win the election in November.

    [ Parent ]

    I meant Obama (none / 0) (#206)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:37:15 PM EST
    I think he if fine with it.

    [ Parent ]
    absolutely not (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:58 PM EST
    then, he'd have to start doing the booing himself. He doesn't want to get caught again scratching his cheek, and brushing that dirt off his pure self.


    [ Parent ]
    Oh, please (1.00 / 1) (#193)
    by TedL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:34:39 PM EST
    Every time Sen. Clinton has won a primary, Barack Obama has begun his speech that night by congratulating her.

    How many times did Sen. Clinton fail to return the compliment when Obama won?  A dozen?

    You can't seriously believe she's been a more gracious campaigner than he has.

    [ Parent ]

    this for me (none / 0) (#210)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:38:41 PM EST
    if so, yes I could seriously believe that.

    [ Parent ]
    I have to believe that or (none / 0) (#27)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:58:53 PM EST
    I would really have to quit the party

    [ Parent ]
    Time to quit, then, bjorn. (5.00 / 8) (#58)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:03 PM EST
    Obama thinks it's cool to brush HRC off his shoulder and fake-flip her off.

    A little booing isn't going to bother him.

    [ Parent ]

    don't make me cry!! (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    dont quit (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:15 PM EST
    just let these idiots self destruct and we will pick up the pieces in 4 years.

    [ Parent ]
    I can't help it, I want my unity pony (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:41 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Capt. Howdy...why wait 4 years? (4.00 / 4) (#166)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:26:45 PM EST
    Our time is NOW. They Obamacons, have split the party!!! We HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION!! NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.
    PEOPLE,WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER BLOW OUT IN KENTUCKY.
    HILLARY, STAY STRONG!!! WE WILL PREVAIL!
    POPULUS VOX, POPULUS DEUS!

    [ Parent ]
    Im right behind you dude (none / 0) (#202)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    So am I (none / 0) (#214)
    by Andy08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:39 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    sorry, it's vox populi, vox deus! (none / 0) (#220)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:41:34 PM EST
    meaning: the voice of the people is the voice of God.
    The voice of the people who have no voice, HILLARY will make them heard with our help.

    [ Parent ]
    sorry... (4.42 / 7) (#120)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:04 PM EST
    I'm over this poseur Obama. He has no class, he can't win, and the Party is trying to shove him down my throat.

    I just want a President who actually cares about SOME of the things I care about...who will be strong enough to turn this country around after 8 years of horror...and they keep telling me Obama is that person.

    Sorry, I believe my own eyes and ears and not what the TeeVee is telling me.

    If he is lucky enough to get VP, that's far, far more than he deserves.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama is unteachable. (4.20 / 10) (#3)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:51:56 PM EST
    That's why he will lose in a landslide.

    [ Parent ]
    What do you need to learn when are... (4.42 / 7) (#11)
    by Exeter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:54:44 PM EST
    ...omniscient?

    [ Parent ]
    And transcendent! (4.33 / 6) (#26)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:58:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Clinton has made Obama a (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:51:34 PM EST
    better candidate.  Hmmmm.  Let's see the evidence.

    Uh, uh, uh, (5.00 / 8) (#6)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:52:46 PM EST
    just a minute, sweetie!

    [ Parent ]
    She has. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:26 PM EST
    Without her, he would have been toast.

    Without her, the Democratic Party would have most certainly have no chance in November.

    I am still not convinced of our chances with Obama or even Clinton, but if she had not influenced this race and Obama, he would have had no chance in the face of the GOP.  Obama supporters will always be resentful of her while I will always be grateful to her - especially if he manages to beat McCain.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama wouldn't (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:00 PM EST
    have known why he'd lost if she hadn't stuck to her guns.

    [ Parent ]
    Universal Healthcare.... (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by Bob Boardman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    Someone get a note to Edwards....

    Obama does not support universal healthcare...

    Starting today he does (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:50 PM EST
    Obama just promised health care for every American.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't worry... (5.00 / 6) (#93)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:19 PM EST
    it's just a "best-case scenario."

    Sorry. His promises are completely worthless to me.

    [ Parent ]

    Just words (5.00 / 6) (#102)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    he has been saying all along that his health care plan will give insurance to "everyone who wants it." He believes this translates into UHC and he has defended his position so vigorously that I simply do not believe he will change it now. Sure, he'll say it, and he may have even promised it to get Edwards endorsement, but if he does get the WH it will be a "non-starter" as Kerry said.  

    [ Parent ]
    Non Starter? (none / 0) (#172)
    by squeaky on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:28:33 PM EST
    Well that is not because of Obama, Hillary or Edwards. It is because there is no GOP support for anything close to UHC and many conservative dems are against it too.

    A national referendum would show that most americans want a plan that is single payer. Cut the insurance companies out. All they do is complain that they are losing money anyway.

    [ Parent ]

    Don't defend Kerry's comments to me (5.00 / 4) (#188)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:33:29 PM EST
    First, anyone who isn't for UHC in congress is not a Dem. Second, would it kill the "real" Dems in Congress to get off their a$$es and do their jobs? Oh, yeah, they were the ones who killed Hillary's first attempt at UHC in 1992 (majority Dem congress) and this is the same bunch of morons who decided that impeaching Bush was a "non-starter." You may be happy to let them off easy for failing to carry out the will of the people, but I'm not so forgiving.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, and since you don't seem (5.00 / 4) (#204)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:49 PM EST
    to know much about how politics work -- it is their jobs to build the support they need to get their agendas passed, not just sit around getting fat and breezily saying "we would do it, promise to baby Jesus we would, but we just don't have enough votes. Better luck next year."  

    [ Parent ]
    If Elizabeth (5.00 / 8) (#124)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:07 PM EST
    believed it, she would absolutely be standing there with John.  If Elizabeth Edwards doesn't believe it....I don't believe it, not for a minute.

    [ Parent ]
    Elizabeth voted for Hillary. (none / 0) (#223)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:42:57 PM EST
    It would be cool if she endorsed her tomorrow.  A girl can dream, right?

    [ Parent ]
    Promises are cheap (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by befuddled on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:26 PM EST
    Commitment is dear. What is the evidence that he has commitment to anything, as demonstrated by results? It seems unlikely that health care will get off the ground with him--maybe he promised Edwards he'd put him in charge of developing UHC. I'm beginning to think he has promised the moon to a lot of people.

    [ Parent ]
    exactly, i have no faith in obama making (5.00 / 1) (#247)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:48:05 PM EST
    a sincere effort to deliver on health care. remember he finally put on the flag pin after saying no no no. how sincere was that? yup, just what i thought also.

    [ Parent ]
    that would be so nice, but (5.00 / 1) (#235)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:35 PM EST
    i have to wonder what the final product will look like once the insurance companies tear it to pieces. and no doubt the dems will let have a go at it.

    [ Parent ]
    REALLY (1.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:10 PM EST
    if he can make me believe that (BIG if) I might just vote for him.

    [ Parent ]
    It would certainly make it go down easier (1.00 / 1) (#123)
    by A little night musing on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:59 PM EST
    But I still feel thrown under the bus. Will I vote for him if he's the nominee? Almost certainly - but back in February I would have said "Definitely, and happily". He's really got to own the problem and own up to it.

    I'm glad I couldn't watch this BTW. If I'd heard the crowd booing Clinton's name...

    [ Parent ]

    that would be so nice, but (none / 0) (#237)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:03 PM EST
    i have to wonder what the final product will look like once the insurance companies tear it to pieces. and no doubt the dems will let them have a go at it.

    [ Parent ]
    When voters (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:13:11 PM EST
    support a person who does not support their platform ... it is racist or sexist.

    However, when a pol supports a person who does not support their platform... IT IS POLITICS.

    [ Parent ]

    Neither does Hillary (3.20 / 5) (#24)
    by jtaylorr on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:44 PM EST
    There's an enormous difference between universal health care and universal coverage, what Hillary i s pushing for.
    The only candidate who had a real plan for universal health care was Dennis Kucinich and that ship sailed long ago (though you can still call your congressperson and tell him/her to support HR 676)
    Basically, we have to chose who's health care plan sucks less.

    [ Parent ]
    Neither does Hillary???? (4.63 / 11) (#107)
    by talex on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:29 PM EST
    Where were you in the '90's?

    Bill and Hillary were the only people ever in the WH to try to pass universal Healthcare. EVER!

    The fact that people like Obama's healthcare spokesman Rep Jim Cooper worked his ass off as a Insurance company surrogate to defeat it is what is Ironic here. Edwards endorses the guy who not only does not propose universal Coverage as a first step to Universal healthcare but employs Cooper. Way to go Edwards (snark).

    [ Parent ]

    that was then talex. (none / 0) (#209)
    by coigue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:38:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What's your point? (none / 0) (#227)
    by talex on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:37 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Agreed. Neither Obama or Clinton's plans (none / 0) (#234)
    by independent thinker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:14 PM EST
    were universal in the sense of Canadian style single payer system. THAT is what we really need.

    [ Parent ]
    He has to speak for Obama I guess? (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by Teresa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:53:58 PM EST
    Speak for the disadvantaged John because the man beside you does not do it.

    Obama will send Edwards (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Josey on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:39 PM EST
    into those small towns that Obama avoids - you know - with all those bitter voters and their guns, God, and racism.

    I hope Kentuckians aren't swayed by this desperate move by Obama!

    [ Parent ]

    Would they vote for someone who sent in a decoy? (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:40 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What's Bill been up to? (none / 0) (#183)
    by 1jane on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:24 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    campaigning on his wife's behalf (5.00 / 4) (#232)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:00 PM EST
    AND her platform. Something tells me JE's stumping won't be about hope and change, but the message that Obama can't seem to figure out how to deliver OR believe in.

    [ Parent ]
    No (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:55 PM EST
    because they are actually going to have to pull the lever for Obama not Edwards. I don't see him helping much.

    [ Parent ]
    At least in KY (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by cloudy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:55 PM EST
    I don't see him helping more then Bill.  Possibly in OR, which makes me wonder if the internal numbers coming in from OR is making the Obama camp worried.

    [ Parent ]
    Would Edwards (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:31:22 PM EST
    help in Ore? Of course, those early voting numbers are tied so it could be that they are worried about Oregon.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh - is Edwards still on the ballot in (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:37 PM EST
    Kentucky?  Wouldn't it be funny if he acts as BO's decoy and gets more votes than BO.

    [ Parent ]
    look joe sixpack is not stupid like the (5.00 / 1) (#254)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:44 PM EST
    creative class might have you believe. he knows and understands more than the media gives them credit for about these things. they won't fall for edwards coming around saying vote for obama.

    [ Parent ]
    look joe sixpack is not stupid like the (none / 0) (#255)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:44 PM EST
    creative class might have you believe. he knows and understands more than the media gives them credit for about these things. they won't fall for edwards coming around saying vote for obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Good grief (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by sonya on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:55:45 PM EST
    Nobody listened to Edwards when he was a candidate, why should they start now?

    So this is about ending the race (5.00 / 7) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:56:04 PM EST
    cynically I think it is about keeping Edwards bread buttered.

    Cha-Ching! (5.00 / 5) (#29)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    amen, brother (5.00 / 7) (#56)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:51 PM EST
    guess who bought Edwards the jet ski?
    Edwards is a traitor -- to women & to UHC. I'm not surprised though because of the way he treated Hillary when he was still in (I especially remember his horrible comments about her crying after NH). The only respect I have left for this man is the fact that he had the good sense to marry Elizabeth (and granted, that is no small thing).

    [ Parent ]
    Edwards Mailing List Just Expanded (5.00 / 3) (#148)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:21:15 PM EST
    ten fold just in time for his request for contributions to his college fund initiative.

    [ Parent ]
    I regret bitterly that I donated (none / 0) (#174)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:29:27 PM EST
    to Edwards now.

    OTOH, now I can send multi-syllable condemnations of BHO's policies back to him in his own postage-paid envelopes when I end up on another BHO mailing list.    

    You can also put weighty objects in the envelope to make the postage due go up.

    [ Parent ]

    Me too... (none / 0) (#197)
    by NWHiker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:33 PM EST
    Donated much too much, I think. Gah.

    But I also gave some money to Clinton this morning.

    Still, I'm sick.

    [ Parent ]

    I like the way you think. :) (none / 0) (#244)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:47:12 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Edwards (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:00 PM EST
    sounds more like a speech for himself (VP?) than for Obama.  I noticed that they held things up long enough so that Edwards' speech didn't actually make onto the air.
    Oh he just said that all the Democrats have chosen their candidate B.O.   (the @ss).   Hey I just noticed Obama isn't standing, but sitting  on a stool on the stage, and he look a little tired.

    I feel a song coming on! (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by DEM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:43 PM EST
    "There is only one man who can lead any workers' regime. He lives for your problems, he shares your ideals and your dreams ...

    Peron is everything! He's the soul, the nerve, the hope and the Reality of the Argentine people.  We all know that there is only One man in our movement with his own source of light -- we all feed from his light -- and that is Peron." -- Evita

    stop it (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:19 PM EST
    you are scaring me

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:29 PM EST
    But the descamisados are all with Hillary in this campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    Edwards just gave all the cities to the boys (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:08 PM EST
    while the girls get suburbia (at least for educational purposes).

    for bake sales purposes (none / 0) (#108)
    by DFLer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:38 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    the good news is (5.00 / 9) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:17 PM EST
    this will be as meaningless as every other endorsment.
    I was an Edwards supporter.  I dont feel my mind changing.

    Obama (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:25 PM EST
    should hope that it's meaningless because it comes off as more Richardson.

    [ Parent ]
    it won't pay the mortgage. it won't (5.00 / 1) (#263)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:54:54 PM EST
    get johnny healh care. it won't do a lot of things except further irritate many voters.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, and I (5.00 / 3) (#137)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:33 PM EST
    remember how the Kennedy endorsements were going to change the CA vote... it just didn't happen.

    [ Parent ]
    Ending the race? (5.00 / 6) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:37 PM EST
    Okay, they really are trying to shove her out of the race and force Obama down our throats. And disenfranchise MI and FL too. This is bad, bad, bad. And it looks like Obama, once again, losing and getting embarrassed and trying to cover it up or pretend it doesn't exist. Ugh.

    It never seems to occur to anyone (5.00 / 10) (#45)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:17 PM EST
    that it might be more unifying if Obama drops out.

    That would end the race too.

    [ Parent ]

    That's because, realistically... (none / 0) (#229)
    by Binx on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:44 PM EST
    Obama is winning and Hillary is not. The winner is not required to drop out.

    I am really amazed at the persistent vitriol here. I've been watching and reading and participating in the same primary race you all have and don't understand how the events of the campaign, despite the unfortunate level of rhetoric, can have hardened your hearts this way.

    [ Parent ]

    Does Obama really think Edwards has a lot (5.00 / 7) (#38)
    by Exeter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:56 PM EST
    of pull in Michigan or anywhere?  The difference Edwards made in 2004 was delivering North Carolina to George Bush with a 12 point margin instead of the embarassing 13 point margin in 2000.

    But what does matter .... (none / 0) (#139)
    by v2r1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:40 PM EST
    This was a masterful stroke. Whatever you may think of it and whichever side you are on ... it was a brilliant politically.

    It changed the narrative from Hillary to Obama on the day after a trouncing.

    It gave the appearance of a momentum

    It started talks of post race unity.

    The Obama team is very smart. Despite Hillary being an amazing pol, the folks around her are just idiots.  They couldn't control the media and were absolutely lousy planners.  

    [ Parent ]

    Ummmm... (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:26:09 PM EST
    clearly the media didn't cover it much. And they are picking up on Clinton's insistence on 2209.

    I think calling it brilliant is overstating just a tad.

    [ Parent ]

    "masterful strokes" (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:27:26 PM EST
    I will leave that alone but just let people use some imagination.  

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton with the block (none / 0) (#212)
    by Ellie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:37 PM EST
    Actually she knocked it off 2/3 of the nets entirely and shrunk on the third one.

    Check whose fist has the fly, grasshopper.

    [ Parent ]

    Edwards had no respect for Hilary's WV victory (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:06 PM EST
    He could have at least waited so the savor of Hilary's victory in WV could have been absorbed for at least one complete day.  I think he gave her the coup de grâce blow today.
    stepping on it was the whole point (5.00 / 10) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:13 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    after telling her to play nice. GRRRRR! (5.00 / 4) (#85)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:35 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If they cared about unity (5.00 / 14) (#42)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:54 PM EST
    they would not have let that crowd boo the mention of Hillary Clinton.

    the crowd boos Hillary and Obama grins (5.00 / 3) (#189)
    by kempis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:33:51 PM EST
    Thank goodness Edwards was there to be a grownup and hold his hands out and look down, UNsmilling, until the crowd stopped.

    That was a telling and disturbing moment. Someone needs to sit Obama down and explain to him the basics of gracious winning. Otherwise, he's sure as hell not going to be grinning like that on election night.

    What a class-less, juvenile move. At this moment, I'd just as soon vote for George W. Bush.

    Unity my fanny....

    [ Parent ]

    Probably the same crowd that interrupted (none / 0) (#50)
    by ahazydelirium on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:02:57 PM EST
    her campaign stop in West Virginia.

    [ Parent ]
    Was this tonight? (none / 0) (#156)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:23:58 PM EST
    During the Edwards talk?  on teebee?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, it was (5.00 / 3) (#180)
    by daria g on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:31:22 PM EST
    The instant Edwards mentioned her name the entire crowd started booing her.  It was embarrassing.  For them.

    [ Parent ]
    Confirms my suspicions (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:10 PM EST
    Someone--Dean maybe?--asked him to step in and see if he could put an end to the primary.

    Well (5.00 / 6) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:25 PM EST
    it won't work. In two days everybody will have forgotten that Edwards endorsed Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Hope you're right. n/t (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:09:35 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Did Obama just mention Elizabeth? (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:02:02 PM EST


    Yes he did! (5.00 / 5) (#74)
    by cherubic18 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:06 PM EST
    She's not part of this endorsement, and yet he just mentioned her at least twice before CNN threw his speech into the background.  Once again, endeavoring to take what isn't his ...

    [ Parent ]
    Wow. (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by owenaprhys on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:01 PM EST
    "I am so grateful to John Edwards"

    Yeah, I'm so grateful that I had to read my gratefulness of a note card.

    and Elizabeth, He's graeful for her, (but she wasn't there and does NOT support BO)

    OH MAN! What a Commedia Tragica (5.00 / 5) (#52)
    by feet on earth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:01 PM EST
    is this spectacle of an endorsement!
    Watching it and thinking
    We Have Been Had
    The Coup is On
    Women are being sold everyday now by the party and its leadership

    COMMEDIA TRAGICA

    God, he really is giving a convention (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:16 PM EST
    Vice-President speech tonight.  Lord what did they promise him?
    Obama is now trying to co-op Elizabeth and her fight for health care.

    That might be enough (5.00 / 11) (#70)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:55 PM EST
    for Elizabeth to endorse Hillary.

    CNN cut away from Obama to go to Lou Dobbs. Panel is dicussing how Obama just stepped all over her media today. Calling him basicallt classless.

    [ Parent ]

    Wouldn't that be wonderful? n/t (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by cherubic18 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:50 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    steal this agenda... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:04 PM EST
    ...of course.

    [ Parent ]
    one question (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:12 PM EST
    where is Gore.  I thought it was going to be a joint thing.

    probably tomorrow (5.00 / 6) (#98)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:19 PM EST
    don't you think? One a day until they force Hillary out. Why they can't wait until everyone has voted, I don't know.

    They must believe Obama is weaker against McCain and every minute counts.

    [ Parent ]

    god I hope not (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:16 PM EST
    I still need some heros

    [ Parent ]
    And are they factoring in how (5.00 / 4) (#128)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:59 PM EST
    p!ssed off her voters are going to be? Do they expect them all to fall in line behind an inexperienced candidate that will lose the GE just because they will?! Oy.

    [ Parent ]
    Well then (5.00 / 6) (#131)
    by cloudy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:18:38 PM EST
    since the big men have spoken I guess we should all just fall in line.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama is acting... (5.00 / 6) (#133)
    by lentinel on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:12 PM EST
    Obama is acting like Bush did in 2000.

    While the votes were still being counted, Bush and his motley crew were strutting around looking Presidential.

    Gore and (hold noses) Lieberman were looking like sheep in a thunderstorm.

    Clinton is standing her ground.
    It could make a difference.

    But Obama wants it to be over before everyone wakes up from the collective trance.

    [ Parent ]

    Nothing will save Obama in the GE (5.00 / 4) (#205)
    by Davidson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:37:09 PM EST
    How can they not know that?  It's not as if Clinton dropping out today would magically help him in any way.  In fact, Clinton being in it helps him tremendously because she's his scapegoat and his base is profoundly anti-Clinton rather than pro-Obama.

    To pick a landslide loser over a GE winner is disgusting enough, but to do this to the first serious woman candidate is absolutely heinous.  Truly.  Our party will go down in the history books that threw away an election that was gift-wrapped for us simply because of misogyny.

    I cannot believe what is happening!

    [ Parent ]

    My bet is they are saving Gore for KY (5.00 / 1) (#231)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:44:36 PM EST
    Gore endorses after Clinton wins KY.

    [ Parent ]
    Are you kidding...? (5.00 / 1) (#248)
    by EddieInCA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:48:11 PM EST
    Edwards, and Super Delegates are moving to Obama because they think he's weak?


    He's weaker so they're rushing to him?  


    That's your theory?


    Jeez...


    Today I was called a liar and a fool by BTD for giving out FACTS.  Now, the owner/head of this site is claiming that Super Delegates are moving to Obama because he's weaker than McCain.  That goes against all current polling.


    Two hours ago, many people on this site were unabashedly pro-John Edwards. Now, because he endorsed Obama, he's a pariah who must have been bought out, and who's endorsement doesn't matter.  That's insane.  John Edwards has been a wonderful Democrat, working tirelessly for those in our society who have been ignored. He deserves better than to be trashed on this, or any other "Progressive" website.


    I'm leaving this site before I can no longer hold my tongue and get myself banned.  It was a short stay.


    Your house. Your rules.


    Take care, all.

    [ Parent ]

    After Kentucky would be my guess (none / 0) (#110)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:13:16 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Umm... (none / 0) (#122)
    by andrewwm on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:52 PM EST
    John Edwards said quite a while ago he'd endorse for the candidate he voted for in NC shortly after NC's election. So it's hardly surprising that it's now. He waited for the voters of his state to vote before endorsing.

    [ Parent ]
    no, he said (5.00 / 8) (#196)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:32 PM EST
    at least twice on national tv this past week he wouldn't endorse, his endorsement wasn't important and there was no reason to. The only thing that's changed is West Virginia.

    [ Parent ]
    and possibly whatever he was offered (none / 0) (#233)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:05 PM EST
    to do this.  it looks like he was promised universal health care.


    [ Parent ]
    Obama just threw in Elizabeth as part of the (5.00 / 8) (#60)
    by Teresa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:24 PM EST
    group. I hope that angers her the way it did me.

    I just got a call from my livid mother. She loved John Edwards and she just sent him a blistering email. I've been on the wrong side of her temper so I can only imagine.

    Thanks, Jeralyn (5.00 / 5) (#62)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:44 PM EST
    I couldn't bring myself to watch. However, it sounds pretty amorphous to me, other than his joining the chorus of the media pundits saying that the race is over.

    it was totally (5.00 / 4) (#105)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:03 PM EST
    rah-rah, no substance on why Obama is preferable.

    [ Parent ]
    Edwards did talk about those nasty (none / 0) (#160)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:25:08 PM EST
    federal lobbyists.

    [ Parent ]
    Pat Buchanan points out (5.00 / 6) (#63)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:57 PM EST
    this could backfire badly if Obama gets no uptick in Kentucky after the Edwards endorsement, and presumably campainging.

    Pat on Cris Matthews (5.00 / 3) (#186)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:36 PM EST
    Pat going off about Biden and Ferraro were right that is why what they said was a gaffe.  He said Obama would not be where he is if he was not AA, it's popular with the Cris Matthews of the world.  LOL.

    Pat is p!ssed about WV.  He says the kids are leaving the state, these are people who volunteer and die at a higher rate in this nation and they are being called uneducated, etc.  (racist).  Pat is on fire tonight.  I haven't watched this show in at least 8 weeks.  wow.

    [ Parent ]

    It Is Scary When I Agree With Buchanan (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:31 PM EST
    Wrote in the first Edwards' thread that if Obama gets trounced in KY after Edwards' endorsement it will just further emphasize that Obama will not be able to garner blue collar support in the GE.


    [ Parent ]
    true, and he won't (5.00 / 3) (#211)
    by kempis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:23 PM EST
    Obama has polled way, way low in KY for months. It'll take more than Edwards to help him there. And honestly, I think opinions have hardened so much against Obama that in places like Kentucky and West Virginia and Central PA and Southern Ohio, this endorsement will hurt Edwards more than it will help Obama.

    My family in Alabama like Edwards. They detest Obama. I know what their reaction will be: they'll be disappointed in Edwards and see this is a sellout.

    [ Parent ]

    I got lost (5.00 / 7) (#64)
    by DEM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:04 PM EST
    "Did anyone hear an explanation of why Obama would be a better candidate to win against John McCain?"

    Can't help ya there.  Started zoning during the scarily-hypnotic "ONE MAN!" riff.

    If this is about ending the race then ... (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by dwmorris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:06:05 PM EST
    there must be some serious concern within the DNC and Obama camp that Clinton has a chance to pull this out.

    Edwards was one of the biggest cards they have to play.

    They should have waited until the 19th, but I suppose they are desperate to change the narrative off WV.

    This Will Not Unite the Party (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by Bob Boardman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:02 PM EST
    If Obama is trying to establish his creds as a uniter this is not going to help.

    He's flipped the bird at me and now he tells the voters of West Virginia that they don't matter....

    This does not make me feel like I want to vote for this charlatan.

    grinning while Hillary was booed didn't help too (5.00 / 1) (#219)
    by kempis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:41:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Exactly, Jeralyn! (5.00 / 5) (#79)
    by Josey on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:43 PM EST
    >>>>So this is about ending the race, not about who would be a better President or who can better beat McCain

    And we're stuck with a candidate that "won" by gaming the caucuses and winning red states that will still be red in Nov.
    sigh

    and by gaming the system (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by TruthMatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM EST