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Strong Majority Of African Americans Want Unity Ticket

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:04:49 PM EST
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This is a wonderful finding from an ABC/WaPo poll:

Clinton continues as the preferred choice as Obama's running mate, with 39 percent of Democrats saying they'd like him to pick her if he's the nominee. That peaks at 59 percent of African-Americans, 47 percent of Clinton supporters and 42 percent of women (vs. 34 percent of men).

There's also an indication that Clinton on the ticket would be a slight net plus in the general election: Among all Americans, more say having her run with Obama would make them more likely to vote Democratic (25 percent) than to vote Republican (18 percent). The rest (54 percent) say it wouldn't make a difference in their choice.

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(Emphasis supplied.) It turns out that the only people against a Unity Ticket are Ted Kennedy, Mark Cohen and Creative Class bloggers. Obama's strong African American base want unity as do Clinton supporters. The divisive ones are people like Kennedy, Cohen and the Creative Class bloggers. I must admit I feel vindicated by this finding.

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    Strong Majority Of African Americans Want Unity Ticket | 222 comments (222 topical)
    Not Surprised One Bit (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:08:56 PM EST
     I still remember your quote from a Mississippi AA voter who had no problem voting for Hillary should she clinch the nomination.  

    Waiting for Kennedy et al........

    Great memory (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:10:02 PM EST
    And spot on.

    you are so right.

    [ Parent ]

    H/T To Oculus (none / 0) (#132)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:27:23 PM EST
    The Reasonable Obama Supporters Of Mississippi

    [ Parent ]
    Remember LA debate? (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Stellaaa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:46:20 PM EST
    When Stevie Wonder jumped up and the audience went wild?

    [ Parent ]
    No TeeVee (none / 0) (#218)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:06:05 PM EST
    Got a link? I missed it.

    [ Parent ]
    Won't Make A Difference (5.00 / 9) (#3)
    by BDB on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:09:21 PM EST
    Ted Kennedy, et al, are far more interested in who controls the democratic party than they are winning in November.  The only way there will be a Unity Ticket is if the SDs decide to go with Clinton because of GE strength and put Obama on as VP to make it go down easier.

    Exactly. (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:15:35 PM EST
    I wonder when the rest of the peons will realize this.

    [ Parent ]
    But Obama is crowning himself king on May 20th.... (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:19:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Triumphalism. (Love that word, BTD.) (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by angie on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:07:16 PM EST
    DNC to AAs: thanks for the votes, now STFU. The creative class & DC insiders have proven more then once, imo, that they don't really care what the AAs want as long as they get their votes.

    [ Parent ]
    our votes (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by tek on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:46:22 PM EST
    actually, after following my Democratic senator, Dick Durbin, very closely for two years, I believe that's what they think about all of us.  They want our votes and our money and then they callously betray us as soon as it's in their interest.  I don't believe there are any politicians in this country anymore who really care about the American people--except for the Clintons.

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton/Obama (4.33 / 6) (#11)
    by Davidson on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:17:59 PM EST
    Also, Clinton at the top of the ticket is the only way it would work GE-wise.  Obama/Clinton would fail.

    [ Parent ]
    Forget that now (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:19:19 PM EST
    Obama is going to be the nominee.

    Let's try to win the GE now.

    [ Parent ]

    That's Obama's job (5.00 / 7) (#17)
    by Salo on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:20:19 PM EST
    Just like it was Kerry's and just like it was Gore's.

    [ Parent ]
    Right: let's try to win the GE (5.00 / 8) (#25)
    by Davidson on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:21:46 PM EST
    We can't do it with Obama at the top.  At best, it's extremely unlikely.

    [ Parent ]
    Why forget it?? The convention (5.00 / 8) (#61)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:59:36 PM EST
    isn't over yet, BTD, and that is where the nominee is elected. And I wouldn't count those delegates before they vote, if I were you. Especially the pre-Wright ones. And the ones that represent the groups that Obama has thrown under the bus along the way. If Hillary does well in the last primaries, and gains popular votes equal or better than Obama, then they would be fools to nominate Obama. Hillary's armor can protect him from the top spot, but not from the second spot. Remember, she has withstood the worst the GOP can throw at her. Obama got rattled by the Wright controversy and thinks the primary campaign is like the Bataan Death March. No way he can stand up to the GOP, especially since he has no policies he can articulate when asked about them. He may have them, but they are on his web site and he apparently hasn't read it. So unless the SDs want to in effect announce to the American people that they want a puppet in the Oval Office, they had better vote for Hillary as the nominee. Obama doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hell of winning the GE. And you should know that.

    [ Parent ]
    Look, this way (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by Stellaaa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:48:04 PM EST
    we get Hillary as VP, then Hillary as President, we get Hillary for 16 years, and that would be a great way to poke Teddy in the eye.  He never got either job.  

    [ Parent ]
    VP question (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:55:21 PM EST
    I (Obama supporter) think a unity ticket would be great.  I think that by coming together they could make the gender/ racial healing process (a process that needs to happen between these 2 camps) part of the campaign itself.  I am not sure how they could be done, but it strikes me as as not only good for the country, but would be a good political tool.  If they did it correctly they could really put a crimp into the politics of division that republicans use.  

    Side question, lets say Obama offers the VP to Hiliary, which I think he will (if just out of political expedience) and let's then say she turns it down (because, because- this is a hypothetical).  What VP would Clinton supporters like to see with Obama?  

    [ Parent ]

    I would like Ed Rendell, (none / 0) (#210)
    by bjorn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:57:50 PM EST
    given your scenario...

    [ Parent ]
    Just for the record (none / 0) (#9)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:16:27 PM EST
    I think you are entirely wrong about Ted Kennedy's motivations here.  (Daschle's another matter entirely.)

    Just sayin'.

    [ Parent ]

    Wow! I think this is proof that (5.00 / 7) (#4)
    by bjorn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:09:53 PM EST
    African Americans don't think Clinton is a racist!  Many still love the Clintons and I think they were torn about who to vote for...

    Of course they do not hate her (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:10:56 PM EST
    Just as white women do not hate Obama.

    Pride is a GOOD thing.

    A unity ticket is sooo the thing to do.

    [ Parent ]

    And Notably (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by The Maven on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:20:41 PM EST
    the percentages reporting that they would be somewhat or entirely comfortable with an African-American or woman president are very close, as well, coming in at 88% and 84%, respectively.  This also seems to show that there does remain slightly more reluctance toward electing a woman, something that I am fairly certain other polls over the past decade or so have borne out.

    Compared with the reported discomfort at the idea of a 72-year-old president, these numbers should offer a fair degree of confidence that McCain will have significant hurdles to conquer in terms of a generation gap in the general election.

    (I hope this doesn't constitute being too OT, since it's all coming from the same batch of poll results.)

    [ Parent ]

    Interesting stuff (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:23:55 PM EST
    I was just really happy with the number I featured in this post.

    The chance for Unity is right there, if we are smart enough to take it.

    [ Parent ]

    I wasn't so sure about it before but.... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:56:14 PM EST
    ...these numbers do make me think it might work. I just wish that I had more faith in the Obama camp making the offer. Sometimes I get the feeling that they are willing to take the gamble of winning totally on their own terms rather than making concessions to the Clinton supporters.

    [ Parent ]
    Aw geez, how the heck did i post this twice? (none / 0) (#74)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:05:14 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Because it was just that good Maria. :) (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Teresa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:12:37 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I wasn't so sure about it before but.... (none / 0) (#59)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:56:25 PM EST
    ...these numbers do make me think it might work. I just wish that I had more faith in the Obama camp making the offer. Sometimes I get the feeling that they are willing to take the gamble of winning totally on their own terms rather than making concessions to the Clinton supporters.

    [ Parent ]
    BTD = Cassandra (5.00 / 6) (#104)
    by angie on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:18:19 PM EST
    doomed to speak the truth* and have no one listen to him.

    *I still don't see the Unity ticket working as to women. That is, Obama/Clinton is lopsided to the extent that it will actually offend a lot of women (myself included).

    [ Parent ]

    after seeing these numbers I totally agree (none / 0) (#10)
    by bjorn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:16:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I think you're (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by rnibs on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:01:07 PM EST
    right that most AA's don't hate Clinton, but I don't think they were torn between chosing him over her because they voted 90+ percent for him.

    I just wish the first viable AA candidate had more of a record to run on and didn't support policies that I can't support.  


    [ Parent ]

    not so torn. (4.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Salo on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:13:27 PM EST
    the votes themselves are almost painful to watch in their Eastern Blockness.

    [ Parent ]
    I love the concept (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:18:51 PM EST
    but I think the practicalities are impossible.

    I repeat what I've said before.  I believe all the up side and none of the down side of an Obama/Clinton ticket will happen when Hillary and Bill campaign their butts of for him from the convention on through November.  Personally, I think the day-to-day dynamics of a unity ticket would be absolutely horrible, and an actual White House administration a near disaster.

    and vice versa (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by angie on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:24:00 PM EST
    that is, Clinton the nominee & Obama (not in the VP spot) working his butt off for her.
    And yes, I know BTD says to forget that -- it will never happen, Obama will be the nominee (which, btw, I really wish he would stop saying because it is making it hard for me to maintain my board crush on him) but I still say it's a long way to August. I don't know how it will happen -- call it women's intuition -- but I see Clinton as the nominee by the time the convention rolls around.

    [ Parent ]
    Please, Please, Please let this happen (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:19:01 PM EST
    It is the only way to win, in my opinion.

    Michelle says NO. (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:20:42 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Michellle better suck it up (5.00 / 5) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:21:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    YOU tell Michelle... (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:22:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Is she reading? (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:24:37 PM EST
    Suck it up michelle.

    [ Parent ]
    It will take a lot more than that, BTD. (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:25:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:26:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    LOL! (3.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Blue Jean on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:09:34 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Seems To Me That Obama Is Not In Favor (none / 0) (#75)
    by MO Blue on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:05:18 PM EST
    of an unity ticket. If he was, don't you think he would clamp down on his SDs from saying that this isn't going to fly?

    [ Parent ]
    Computer says no... (none / 0) (#50)
    by Salo on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:38:50 PM EST
    ...ah cough cough.

    [ Parent ]
    59% of African Americans (5.00 / 8) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:20:45 PM EST
    want it. It is the white elites who are tryoing to run the Colintons out of the Party.

    I am so encouraged by this finding.

    I want see what, if anything, the blogging jerks have to say about THAt.

    You think Keith Olbermann will notice this? Never.

    [ Parent ]

    I love that the Creative Class (5.00 / 6) (#39)
    by andgarden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:30:41 PM EST
    think that they're speaking for all black people.

    [ Parent ]
    That poll (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Salo on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:38:01 PM EST
    reflects the idea that you can have your cake and eat  it too.

    [ Parent ]
    And they can (none / 0) (#51)
    by andgarden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:44:39 PM EST
    if the leaders are as smart as the people. . .

    [ Parent ]
    that is emotionally manipulative BS (5.00 / 10) (#60)
    by MMW on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:57:27 PM EST
    Count me opposed to seeing another woman, taking one for the team.

    [ Parent ]
    Count me opposed as well (5.00 / 5) (#113)
    by RalphB on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:22:09 PM EST
    The ticket would be upside down and would just be silly once the new wore off.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh...she is not taking nothing... (none / 0) (#199)
    by Stellaaa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:51:24 PM EST
    she gets the better deal.  VP then President, after that Obama is done 8 years.  

    [ Parent ]
    They are neither "creative" nor ... (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by Robot Porter on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:11:02 PM EST
    do they have much "class."

    [ Parent ]
    So true andgarden. But then you know... (none / 0) (#63)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:15 PM EST
    ...how the creative class likes to declare itself an expert on anything that interests them. We used to call those folks dilettantes in my day.

    [ Parent ]
    Buhdy assures me the MSM is (none / 0) (#71)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:03:33 PM EST
    reading the blogs.  We'll see.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think it is the only way to win (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Faust on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:21:33 PM EST
    But It's probably the BEST way to win.

    I remember back to the Calinfornia debate which the pundits were soooooo disapointed in because they wanted a fight and it was a "love fest."

    If Obama and Clinton could recapture the energy of that debate and the energy in that room, I do think that the result may well be a tidal wave.

    And I don't think that the arguments against it because Obama has promised "change" fly.

    He has also promised unity that looks past differences. What better way to do this than to unite with someone he has had such a dramatic fight with?

    [ Parent ]

    choices. (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:19:56 PM EST
    We rapidly reaching the point -- an increasingly empirically provable one, apparently -- where Obama not picking Clinton as VP would not merely be a bad decision, but a horrifically stupid one.

    Tell that to your creative class brethren (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:22:23 PM EST
    please.

    Especially the ones all offended on behalf of A-A voters.

    [ Parent ]

    My "creative class brethen?" (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:24:51 PM EST
    I don't even entirely understand what "creative class" is, who coined it, or why on Earth anyone chooses to use it. It was apparently made up while I was out of things. I fully reject it as an invented term, as a useful grouping, and most of all as a tag for myself.

    But I'll get the word out.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh stop playing ignorant (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:26:08 PM EST
    You know exactly who I am talking about.

    What other blogs do you post at?

    [ Parent ]

    Oh, I know what blogs use the term... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:28:46 PM EST
    ...(mostly here and OpenLeft, judging by your posts, though I don't go there often) and I know who you're applying it to, sort of. I'm just saying I don't understand exactly who's covered by it, the genesis of the term, or why on Earth it's used. And I hate it.

    [ Parent ]
    I hate it too (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:29:51 PM EST
    I am taking it out of their lexicon by making it a term of ridicule.

    [ Parent ]
    I wish you great success. (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by andgarden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:31:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Well... (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:32:41 PM EST
    ...understand I think it's a ridiculous, ridiculous term -- and, Jesus, if the "creative class" made it up about themselves I am appalled beyond words at their utter ignorance about "creativity" and their pompousness -- and I don't appreciate being "ridiculed" by being lumped in with them as "brethren."

    That's why I was protesting.

    [ Parent ]

    Go tell them (none / 0) (#66)
    by Edgar08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:46 PM EST
    You are appalled at their ignorance.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't have an account at OpenLeft... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:10:58 PM EST
    ...and Dkos, for instance, has a grand total of 39 comment usages for the last month. Many of them appear to be derisive uses. And I could just the same tell you to go to Hillaryis44 or NoQuarter and deal with them for all their excesses and stupidity. When I see something I disagree with, and I have some idea of the context and a counterargument, I say so (if I want).


    [ Parent ]
    You should open an account there (none / 0) (#103)
    by Edgar08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:18:02 PM EST
    So you can tell them you are appalled at their ignorance.

    Nothing stopped you from opening an account here to let us know what we're doing wrong.


    [ Parent ]

    I came here... (none / 0) (#136)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:28:23 PM EST
    ...because I've always enjoyed arguing -- and occasionally agreeing -- with Armando. And this is where he went, as it turns out. All my comments above and beyond that can be chalked up to the fact that I'm often bored and always opinionated.

    [ Parent ]
    And we a glad to have you (none / 0) (#162)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:36:38 PM EST
    We especially like the fact that you put in time helping folks in Asia.

    All the rest of you commenters, don't mess with Addison.

    And don't mess with Masel either.

    Those are two of my favorites.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh BTW (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:38:14 PM EST
    Al Giordano is an old friend of mine. So don't mess with him either. And if Bob Johnson comes back, don't mess with him either.

    Kid Oakland you can potshot if you like . . .

    [ Parent ]

    No (5.00 / 5) (#200)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:52:30 PM EST
    Bob Johnson cannot come back and no personal attacks on anyone, including Kid Oakland. We keep it civil here.

    [ Parent ]
    I was joking (none / 0) (#212)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:00:56 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I agree. Addison is the cream of the crop in (none / 0) (#174)
    by Teresa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:40:39 PM EST
    Obama supporters that I've encountered. Nice, fair and sensible.

    [ Parent ]
    Addison (none / 0) (#202)
    by Jeralyn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:54:47 PM EST
    I have no problem with the majority of your comments here. You are usually civil.

    [ Parent ]
    I asked over on a CC site about this phrase (none / 0) (#148)
    by DFLer on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:31:50 PM EST
    and was directed to:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_class

    I found the original article coining this phrase:

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0205.florida.html

    Sysops and or Jeralyn: BTW I followed the instructions to highlight the link, hit the link button, paste the link in the given box....still looks just like what it would look like if I merely pasted it in as text....further instructions re turning a link into one word would be helpful. Thanks


    [ Parent ]

    Linking things... (none / 0) (#161)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:36:32 PM EST
    You have to highlight the word you want to make into a link, and then use the button.

    So I'd type "Creative Class," highlight that, and then paste the url in the little box.

    And yes, I just this evening went to that wikipedia page. Shiver.

    [ Parent ]

    Step By Step (none / 0) (#170)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:38:47 PM EST
    To make links here.

    [ Parent ]
    To turn the link into one word (none / 0) (#183)
    by Just another person on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:43:48 PM EST
    type the following

    {a href="here is where the link goes"}Word you want associated with the link{/a}

    Leave the quotes as is. Substitute < for { and > for }.

    Hope this makes sense (It's harder to explain this stuff over text than I thought!)

    [ Parent ]

    Clinton as nominee and AA backlash (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Davidson on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:20:33 PM EST
    Obviously, there isn't a strong anti-Clinton backlash considering how many want her on the ticket so why is there the constant excuse that if Clinton got the nomination AAs would revolt en masse?

    Look (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:21:43 PM EST
    Sure clinton could win if she got the nomination but it is not likely to happen.

    Time for unity. NOW.

    [ Parent ]

    Time for unity? (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by abfabdem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:48:46 PM EST
    I know at some level that makes sense, but why do I feel the exact same way as when the 2000 election went to Bush?  It was like some great cosmic mistake had been made and now it seems to be happening again.  America chose the lightweight, and we lost eight years of enlightened energy and environmental policy and got into a needless war.  This was our chance for healthcare and I think with Obama as President it will not happen.  Will he fight for it?  What will he fight for?

    [ Parent ]
    Unity (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by pie on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:40:37 PM EST
    will occur with the most qualified candidate at the top of the ticket.

    You said that he had the media support, so he would win the nomination.

    Are you now saying that the ticket that has Clinton in the top spot and Obama as VP can't win?

    All the way to the convention.  Let's do it.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, (none / 0) (#28)
    by Addison on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:22:43 PM EST
    The argument would be that there's a big difference between her being VP and her as nominee after "stealing" the nomination.

    [ Parent ]
    GE polls: Clinton wins (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Davidson on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:48:00 PM EST
    So, again, if blacks will revolt en masse, why does she continually not only outperform Obama in the GE polls but beats McCain handily?

    The AA excuse has been the major reason why so many have been opposed to picking the far stronger GE candidate and it just doesn't truly play the role everyone says it would.

    [ Parent ]

    Go away. (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:04:53 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What's wrong with that comment? n/t (none / 0) (#196)
    by rilkefan on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:49:46 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I reacted strongly to "stealing (5.00 / 2) (#211)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 08:00:42 PM EST
    the nomination."  

    But, BTD and J say to leave Addison alone, so I will.

    [ Parent ]

    I've never believed that (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by davnee on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:21:44 PM EST
    more than a handful of AA's would be lost in Nov. if Clinton was the nominee, particularly if black elites, beginning with Obama himself, campaigned for her.  

    I'm not a fan of the unity ticket for a number of reasons, but I'd like the choice to belong to Clinton.  If she wants the job (and thinks it is superior to waiting for 2012), then she should have it.  She can't hurt the ticket.  She can only help it.  This is all about Obama's ego.  Can he handle running on the ticket with a candidate that is going to outshine him not only in the campaign but every day for the next 4-8 years?  That or there really is a DNC conspiracy against the Clintons, in which case she should go nuclear.

    I think she should campaign vigorously the rest of the way and force the seating of FL and MI.  If the super-d's won't budge for her then (and assuming she does have the popular vote lead which she may well get after PR), she should suspend her campaign, but not release her delegates until the convention, thus leaving the door open for the Obama meltdown scenario.  These poll results suggest that the public will be fine with that.  And I'm guessing these numbers only improve for her after her blowout tomorrow in WV.

    I'm praying for an Obama meltdown....before (5.00 / 5) (#29)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:23:39 PM EST
    August.

    [ Parent ]
    Angel...maybe you could move that meltdown (none / 0) (#44)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:35:21 PM EST
    time frame up a couple of months.  :)

    [ Parent ]
    I'll take it anytime between now and August.... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:36:43 PM EST
    How's that?  

    [ Parent ]
    Excellent !! Somewhere Around May 20 Would (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:45:43 PM EST
    be perfect...

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton Can't Take A Backseat To Obama... (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:26:35 PM EST
    She is too smart and will continually make him look bad if she is not at the top of the ticket.
    If she wins the nomination and he refuses to be the VP, then oh well.  She could do, oh so much better, anyway.

    [ Parent ]
    BTD asked Michelle to suck it up (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by bjorn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:50:42 PM EST
    I think we have to suck it up also if Obama gets the nomination.  It really would be a good thing for the party and frankly if I were Clinton I would not want to go back to the senate after how she has been treated by some of them!

    [ Parent ]
    It Is Not Personal (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:20 PM EST
    She will do fine. Most of the fireworks is for us, backstage the pols are often arm and arm.

    [ Parent ]
    bjorn...I Wish Something Would Suck Michelle (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:57 PM EST
    up...but I digress.  In theory you are right, but I don't know if I can control my hand it make it put an x next to obama's name.  

    As for Hillary going back to the Senate.  First, let's hope it doesn't happen.  Secondly, if she does go back, she will do so with her head held high and with such class it will make those snakes that treated her so badly, look even worse (if that is possible). :)

    [ Parent ]

    I LOLed! (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by bjorn on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:27:16 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Per Huff Post, Reid doesn't (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:09:13 PM EST
    support Hillary Clinton for Senate Majority Leader.  

    [ Parent ]
    I'd think he wouldn't. (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by davnee on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:12:27 PM EST
    LOL!

    [ Parent ]
    I laughed too. (5.00 / 2) (#95)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:13:56 PM EST
    HE must be reading the blogs.

    [ Parent ]
    That's ok. I don't support HIM as Majority Leader. (5.00 / 7) (#139)
    by DeborahNC on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:30:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    IMO picking up Hillary as VP won't save (5.00 / 8) (#40)
    by athyrio on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:30:45 PM EST
    Obama, the only way it will work is with Hillary as president and Obama as VP...

    Ether Way (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:36:28 PM EST
    It is big time historic. Americans love this kind of story. It is so historic, imo,  that the American voters will vote in unprecedented numbers. In either matchup McCain will be pummeled with the force of a tsunami.

    [ Parent ]
    It really would be something. I'd prefer Clinton (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Teresa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:38:05 PM EST
    at the top of the ticket because I'm afraid that Obama can't win. I think his only chance is with her but I don't think he'll offer.

    [ Parent ]
    Axelrod and Plouffe read the polls. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:06:16 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I Disagree (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:48:32 PM EST
    I think both matchups are equal and not only include the vast majority of Democrats but also appeal to a wide swath of Americans who are sick of the white male rule. In this way McCain really represents not only BushCo but the past.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think both match ups are (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:20:38 PM EST
    equal by a long shot.  I do think Obama, if elected, would be a much better President if Clinton is his Vice President.  

    [ Parent ]
    That's because Hillary would be doing all the work (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:27:03 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That is one possibility. But I think Obama (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:30:46 PM EST
    would be looking over his shoulder constantly and trying to make sure he at least measures up to her.

    [ Parent ]
    He will never measure up to her. He doesn't have (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by Angel on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:32:48 PM EST
    the class.

    [ Parent ]
    Nah (none / 0) (#164)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:36:50 PM EST
    He is a pro. They will do what they do best and that is win legislators over to their POV. Seems unstoppable to me. Also it will do much to counter the damage Smirk and Snarl have done  to our international image.

    [ Parent ]
    Not equal to me squeaky just on health care (none / 0) (#73)
    by Teresa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:05:00 PM EST
    mainly. If this unity ticket happens, I hope he puts her in charge of getting her plan through.

    [ Parent ]
    We Will Need (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by squeaky on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:31:17 PM EST
    A lot more than Hillary and Obama to enact UHC in the US. It is a big no no with the GOP and many Conservative Democrats are still dead set against it. Great for popular appeal, but realistic? I dunno.

    Some say that we will pick up 6-8 Democratic Senators, in '08. Not sure that will be enough to pull it off.

    [ Parent ]

    That's a good news poll all around. I wonder (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Teresa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:32:36 PM EST
    if the media will get it yet? The Clintons aren't perceived as racists by AA's and the people want Hillary to stay in until she has no shot (or wins somehow).

    I'll just bet that tonight, there will be more people telling her to get out, she's destroying the party and it will get worse tomorrow night. Why can't they see what we see?

    As a Clinton supporter, I have really mixed feelings about her accepting, if offered. She will get all of the blame if Obama loses. I'm just going to trust her to do what is right for her if they offer it to her.

    Want to hear people screaming for her (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by andgarden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:36:02 PM EST
    to get out? Look no further than the toxic Americablog.

    [ Parent ]
    *sigh* (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by kempis on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:00:08 PM EST
    I'm in such a horrible, reactive snit, so totally ticked off at the way Hillary has been treated by her party, that I'm no longer responsive to Obama on a ticket, either leading it or being second, even if Hillary is on the ticket.

    I hope I get over this by November....

    BTD!!!! I looked in the mirror (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:01:14 PM EST
    It turns out that the only people against a Unity Ticket are Ted Kennedy, Mark Cohen and Creative Class bloggers.

    and it turns out I'm not Ted Kennedy, not Mark Cohen, which means you think I'm a creative class blogger, because I've always been opposed to an Obama/Clinton ticket even when I wasn't planning on sitting out November.

    Now, I understand that because I do the occasional guest post on some blogs that you might mistake me for a "blogger."

    But the "creative class" stuff...well, I think I deserve an apology ;-)

    I think it is time for you (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:07:55 PM EST
    to rethink your position.

    [ Parent ]
    Which one? (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:16:58 PM EST
    I have so many! ;-)

    my objection to the Obama/Clinton tichet has always been about the fact that it will interfere with Obama's ability to get his message out -- the coverage will be 24/7 political soap opera about the relationship between Hill, Barry, Bill, and Michelle...and their staffs.

    And I felt that way BEFORE the campaigns started making accusations about each other.  

    Obama needs to show with his VP pick that he is aware of his deficiencies -- but not his "political" deficiencies which is what asking Clinton to be the nominee would signal.  He needs someone who symbolizes impeccable National Security credentials... not a pander to Clinton supporters, but a reason for the rest of the country to think he's fit to sit in the Oval Office.

    [ Parent ]

    Nope (none / 0) (#111)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST
    Obama is a Media Darling. That won't happen.

    [ Parent ]
    sometimes... (none / 0) (#153)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:33:18 PM EST
    I can't tell when you are joking.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm not here (none / 0) (#171)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:39:55 PM EST
    If he picks Clinton, he will be treated as the greatest most magnanimous most unifying force in the history of politics.

    I kid you not.

    [ Parent ]

    And it will be half right (none / 0) (#175)
    by andgarden on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:41:21 PM EST
    It will be a self-fulfilling prophesy. I'm convinced it will work.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm telling you (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:44:18 PM EST
    It is virtually a no brainer now.

    [ Parent ]
    That sounds like the meme of those (none / 0) (#115)
    by oculus on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:22:49 PM EST
    who won't vote for Hillary Clinton because they don't want a Bush/Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Clinton succession.

    Plus, don't you think having a First couple who are African American w/two cute girls will generate enough press interest?

    [ Parent ]

    Taking a backseat/VP (5.00 / 8) (#76)
    by MMW on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:05:53 PM EST
    Validates all that they have done to her. This validates the media treatment, the spinelessness with which the Dem leadership have allowed that treatment of her, the arrogance and vitriol of the creative class.

    Now she must turn around and swallow her pride to save the party that was happy to abandon her?

    She must play nursemaid to the very individuals that referred to her as a "monster"? The people who called her racist?

    Dems deserve to lose.

    Eeeeeeeeeeeyep (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Edgar08 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:12:51 PM EST
    No way around that.

    [ Parent ]
    It show that one again women are expected (5.00 / 5) (#116)
    by feet on earth on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:23:09 PM EST
    to be their "brother's keepers" (where did I HEAR this wording?)  but the party has NO intention to be a "sister's keeper".

    Ah, this brother of mine  is a NO keeper for this sister.  This party
    and Obama are under my bus.

    [ Parent ]

    She's done it before (none / 0) (#96)
    by dianem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 07:14:06 PM EST
    Clinton is tough. Very Tough. I don't know if she'd take the VP slot, but she has earned it, and it should be offered to her. It would matter, just like fairly counting t