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Why Hillary's Supporters Won't Give Up

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:30:00 AM EST
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Thanks to a TL reader who left this in the comments on the Mother's Day Thread: Ellen Malcolm, founder of Emily's List, has an op-ed in Saturday's Washington Post, Quitters Never Win. A snippet:

It's not surprising that low-income working women are the cornerstone of Hillary's success. Many of these women live on the edge of disaster. A pink slip, a family member's illness, a parent who can no longer live alone, a car that won't start or a mortgage rate that goes up -- all are threats that could devastate the family. And yet these women do what women have done for ages. They put on a confident face, feed their children breakfast and get them off to school. They don't quit. They suck it up and fight back against whatever life throws their way....

....Hillary Clinton certainly has the right to compete till the end. But I believe Hillary also has a responsibility to play the game to its conclusion. For the women of my generation who learned to find and channel their competitiveness, for the working women who never falter in the face of pressure, for the younger women who still believe women can do anything, Hillary is a champion. She's shown us over and over that winners never quit and that quitters never win.

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We don't have a nominee yet. The media can crown Obama with the title, presumptively or not, but it's not over until one candidate drops out or the vote is taken at the convention in August. With two candidates remaining in the race, the superdelegates can change their mind right up until the August vote. It may not come to that, but so long as we have two candidates, it's a possibility.

For those of you in West Virginia and who know people in West Virginia, turnout matters. The higher the turnout, the greater the message that Democrats are not ready for this race to end.

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    No Way Hillary Should Give Up....It Isn't Over (5.00 / 7) (#1)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:41:13 AM EST
    'til its over.  Something is in the wind and things could change on a dime....Happy Mother's Day Hillary and to all you fine ladies on this site.

    An Obama supporter and his mom (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by andrys on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:03:16 AM EST
    On Taylor Marsh's site, Taylor writes that in the middle of hectoring of some vicious heckling of Taylor in email by Obama supporters, she found this rather different email piece, which she titled "His Mother's Dreams." I'd like to get it wider circulation via that link and with some text from it here. By the emailer, named Will:

    I spoke to my mother briefly tonight, just small talk, and mentioned the political atmosphere of the last 24 hrs. She just said she loved me, and that she wanted to get off the phone, and gave it to my dad. She is a Hillary supporter, my dad and I are Obama folks. As my dad and I talked, I started to feel really bad about all the negative feelings that have emerged over the last few months. I particularly started to feel seriously guilty towards my mom.

    Had I just denied my 65 year-old mom the chance to see a woman become president for perhaps the only time in her adult life? I don't think that a woman president is that far off at all, but I certainly wouldn't go around assuming that, if I had spent the last 65 years watching a parade of men take the chair in the Oval Office, and feel like there is nothing to be done to change that. And along comes Hillary, and the dream is alive, and then it is crushed in this brutal primary we've all gone through.

    I guess for the first time in this election season, I walked for a moment in the other side's shoes, and I really didn't like how my side looked. And as much as my Obama activism has meant to me over the last several months, it suddenly didn't hold a candle to realizing I may have participated in stealing my mother's dreams away from her. All of a sudden, all I wanted to do was give my mom a female president, and do all it took to make that happen.

    This is a damn tough time to be a Democrat.

    Also, in the same vein of appreciation today, here is another,  by "Scan," who is a co-moderator on Taylor Marsh.

    - Andrys


    [ Parent ]

    Oh That More People Would Get Outside (5.00 / 4) (#87)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:13:55 PM EST
    themselves and take a good look at obama.  It isn't even about the fact that Hillary is so much more qualified, it is about the fact that it is just about winning only for them.  Many obamaholics can't even tell you what he stands for, but he is cool and he makes them feel good.
    Although, I don't think you hear so much about the feel good part these days.  

    Thanks to that son who took the time to consider his mother's feelings.  Maybe his mom will still get to see her dream fulfilled.  Let's hope so for her, for Hillary's supporters and for the well-being of America!

    [ Parent ]

    Thank you for that. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Teresa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:12:04 AM EST
    I feel for that mother so much and I'm glad her son realized how many of us feel. I'm not sure that I will see a woman President in my lifetime, but I'm positive now that my mom won't. If not Hillary, what women is deserving?

    [ Parent ]
    What woman has earned it? (5.00 / 7) (#25)
    by Kathy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:15:25 AM EST
    What woman has the credentials, the fortitude, the work ethic, the understanding?

    She's imminently qualified for the job.  She has taken every advantage and learned from it, thrived from it.  She got to where she is by sheer force of will and willingness to learn and keep challenging herself.  Backward and in heels, if you will.

    Who else is there right now but Hillary Clinton?

    [ Parent ]

    No one is even close Katthy. That's why (5.00 / 9) (#30)
    by Teresa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:19:23 AM EST
    I get so angry when I hear people suggest that Obama pick a woman VP, just not Hillary. I don't want her as his VP because she'll be blamed if they lose, but I will be mad beyond description if he picks a token female. Hillary is the furthest thing from a token that there is.

    She's the most qualified and capable person running period.

    [ Parent ]

    Exactly! I remember when I watched Russert (5.00 / 4) (#55)
    by andrys on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:55:36 AM EST
    and Olbermann discussing whether Obama could pick another woman and would that get our vote back.

    As if the main reason we are voting for her is that she's "a woman" -- as if any woman will do!  Few will have thought about the issues in such great detail or would know them backwards and forwards and have such enthusiasm for the work needed to get solutions for those problems.  She is ready and eager for the tedious part of all this - the work of getting everyone to agree while making something really substantial.

    That was just insulting and myopic of them.  But what's new?

    - Andrys


    [ Parent ]

    On the job training (5.00 / 4) (#80)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:41:14 PM EST
    This is what really gets me and what makes the whole thing just reek of misogyny.

    What possible better experience can you have in the universe to be POTUS than being the right-hand person to a previous POTUS??  Especially one as talky as compulsively consultative as Bill Clinton.

    Far more than any vice president, even Cheney, Hillary has been in on all the big and small issues, the tiny details, her husband/partner's frustrations when coming up against bureaucratic or legal or political roadblocks hidden deep in the weeds that he never knew existed.

    Yet her experience as what amounts to the president's closest top aide in the White House is derided and discounted as meaningless.

    It's mind-boggling.  It is the best, most qualifying experience you can possibly have for being POTUS short of being head of state in some other large country for eight years.


    [ Parent ]

    I don't want her as his VP because it would be (none / 0) (#127)
    by derridog on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:40:50 PM EST
    beneath her.

    [ Parent ]
    As a man my problem is not so much (5.00 / 10) (#47)
    by Florida Resident on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:46:46 AM EST
    in that a woman may not become president(which IMO is a tragedy of itself)  but in the manner that the Party, the MSM, the blogosphere etc. have gone about destroying everything she has worked for, and have vilified her and her family in ways unthinkable with a viciousness that I never thought possible.  As many of you have expressed here the Democratic Party has contributed in reversing the progress of Feminism.  If this is what we can expect of the future we have to worry.  I can guarantee you if some of the things I have read and heard said about Hillary Clinton had been said about my mother or any of my female kin those people would have had a fight in their hands and hope I had no weapons on me.  That is my opinion.

    [ Parent ]
    Florida Res (5.00 / 12) (#56)
    by RalphB on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:56:06 AM EST
    As a man, it's not just that the Democratic party has contributed to the reversal of feminism, they led the way.  I've been disgusted again and again when virtually everyone from the Dem side remained silent while she and Bill were trashed.  I have zero respect for the democratic party.

    Say what you will about the GOP, if Kay Hutchinson were running there would have been hell to pay if the media or anyone else tried to trash her this way.

    [ Parent ]

    Ditto here (5.00 / 5) (#59)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:59:11 AM EST
    The very notion that Hillary has harmed the party after what went on with this election?

    Makes me gag.

    I'm not sure I can support such deluded and warped people.  They have no respect for me, a voter, who knows better.

    I've decided to do my homework and vote for people who talk straight and are fair-minded, whether they are Republican or Democrat.

    I'm now Independent, and I'm going to work to correct this.

    My kid deserves a better government than this one.

    [ Parent ]

    Forgive me (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:05:17 PM EST
    but if you think there's any possibility you'll get that with a continuation of the last eight years, I think you need a serious reality check.

    [ Parent ]
    tragic (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by moll on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:48:20 PM EST
    Say what you will about the GOP, if Kay Hutchinson were running there would have been hell to pay if the media or anyone else tried to trash her this way.

    y'know that is really the thing that gets me - not that we should elect her because she is a woman, but that she was not given a level playing field, and that she is a woman is the weapon they chose to attack her with.

    And even those who were not openly attacking her, still did nothing.

    This has ramifications that goes far beyond this election. I now believe that the first woman president, and the first black president - I think it is very likely that both will be Republicans.

    [ Parent ]

    Return to Dixiecrats (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by blogtopus on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:57:46 AM EST
    Except it isn't the Dixiecrats, it's the Misogynocrats. Gahd, I can't think of a clever name. Anyone?

    [ Parent ]
    Contest names (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by waldenpond on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:06:03 PM EST
    Menocrats.  Now when I hear Team O, I will think Team Old people need not apply.  I just don't know how a party is pulled together when many of us could think up negative monikers to describe this campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    How about Testocrats ? (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by gandy007 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:52:41 PM EST
    since I would hope all of us men are not so perceived.

    A whole bunch of us are equally incensed at the slicing and dicing.

    [ Parent ]

    Ouch (none / 0) (#130)
    by waldenpond on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:47:10 PM EST
    Testocrats... slicing and dicing....

    [ Parent ]
    Young people (none / 0) (#60)
    by waldenpond on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:00:53 PM EST
    didn't seem to get it, did they?

    [ Parent ]
    A personal tale here of experience (5.00 / 8) (#64)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:06:12 PM EST
    I was a woman who broke through some ceilings in my career.  Eager beaver, hard-worker, very much a team player, and apparently darn good at what I did.

    The better I did, the more personal heat I was taking...more from women than men.  

    I was also a fairly normal woman who valued relationships and people, so this really, really hurt my feelings.  I suffered enormously, thought I was doing something wrong, tried to dampen myself to please others at times, other times, to be honest, just cried at night.  

    I simply didn't understand.  I made others successful, too.  There were a lot of them on my own coattails, but they were not all that nice to me.

    Looking back, I so get it.  It's all about competition.  That's all.  Women are still vulnerable to a lot of the old ideas, although every single person alive today knows full well it's bull-hockey.  When in a competitive situation, however, people will use whatever angle works.

    If that means one gets the itch label simply because one is assertive and firm?  So be it.  

    I so wish I'd known this.  I wouldn't have bothered shedding a single tear, and I would have learned how to just dismiss it for what it really was....competitive jealousy.

    Now, I feel a bit like a dummy on this.  Of course, I wasn't going to be "treasured."  LOL*  I was whipping the boys at their own game, and they knew it!  I thought everyone was going to be just like my dad, who just loved to egg me on to success.  

    :)

    [ Parent ]

    I agree (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:54:03 AM EST
    that Hillary should go to the end of the primaries.  Let the voters vote.  At this stage?  It was be bad for the remaining states to be the only ones left out of the party.  I think she's sacrificing personally an awful lot to see that they get their voice.

    I don't like the bashing, and I'm ready for it to stop.  It's abusive to her supporters to have to watch her endlessly get beaten up for having poor character.  

    I am adamant about this.  It's wholesale abuse of 50% of the Democratic party.

    and it's wrong.

    [ Parent ]

    Wonderful link (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by blogtopus on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:41:48 AM EST
    I'm sending this column to all my friends, Obama fans and Hillary fans alike.

    Thanks J!

    That article brought up so (5.00 / 9) (#3)
    by Kathy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:41:51 AM EST
    many memories for me.  I was on the crux of Title IX, so I saw both sides of it.  It's simply amazing to think that so little time has passed since women were relegated to the dainty class.  Emily's List is doing great GOTV for Clinton.

    I still say that no one can ignore a WVA blow-out.  The stakes are too high to let this go.  Rise, Hillary, rise!

    Post T-IX: we're all wearing the blue jersey now (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Ellie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:20:55 AM EST
    My sisters and I are all athletes beyond puberty, when the field, equipment and encouragement used to vanish automatically -- you know, so the boys wouldn't feel bad.

    We play the full nine, all four quarters, all three periods and use every weapon at our disposal.

    Playing on mixed teams (eg, martial arts) the early rules called for girls ALWAYS to play clean even when the guys used that double-standard to their advantage. (I'm looking at YOU, Mr. Jiujitsu-san.)

    New Game, New Rules: I play clean and don't take dives or throw elbows but if another player threw one at me, I'd wait for the flashy Air Jordan impression and the tongue hanging out of the mouth before retaliated.

    My mom had to fill in "coaching" little league and knew so little about the sport, her main contribution was in accessorizing our uniforms to classic French perfection. (She was the ultimate Frenchy Pants.) "No dangly earrings, ladies -- they'll get caught in your hair!"

    Her evolution became self-evident: "You at SS, wear a side pony-tail to your right and it will silken your double-plays!"

    She emerged saying that if I didn't brush Mom back on Mother's Day for crowding the plate, then both of us had learned nothing. (Her line, and damn it feels good to repeat it today!)

    She never saw France win the World's Cup, and would have been devastated by the Sarkozy election but would have been thrilled to be part of Hillary's vow to stay in it till 2209 or an official naming of a candidate.

    And weirdly, Dad may be voting Dem for the FIRST TIME EVER based on merit rather than habit. Okay, and a bit of a crush too. :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Pre Title IX (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:49:23 PM EST
    When I was a kid growing up in the Boston suburbs, my dad and I were fanatic Boston Celtics fans, and I was so eager to play.  But in school in those days, they had "girls basketball" rules that were so insulting and idiotic, it was no fun at all.  Six people on a team, two forwards, two guards, two middles, called "rovers."  The forwards and the guards weren't allowed to go past the center line. Guards were forbidden to dribble or to shoot. No one could do more than three dribbles and had to pass the ball.

    Since this bore not the slighest resemblance to pro or even college bball, it spoiled all the fun, so I didn't bother to participate. (sigh)

    [ Parent ]

    Hey, you can still get into the game! (none / 0) (#103)
    by Ellie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:56:17 PM EST
    Consider coaching, mentoring, supervising, even making out a local youth-team's schedules.

    Everyone deserves sports! Like some wise guy said -- can't think of his name now ;-) -- It's in his DNA!

    [ Parent ]

    Did you know (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by waldenpond on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:07:40 PM EST
    that Obama voted for the Republican Thomas B. Griffith whose claim to fame is he's very anti-title IX.

    [ Parent ]
    What???????? (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Florida Resident on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:11:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Let me go back (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by waldenpond on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:25:04 PM EST
    to Congress.org and see if can find his vote.  The write up by Leahy is on the net.  Just google Leahy and Thomas B Griffith.

    Eight months ago, when I was trying to decide who to vote for, I spent a couple of weeks on congress.org looking at voting records.  When I tried to discuss voting records no did.  

    Here is the vote:  06/14/05 Vote 136

    Go to the bottom of the page.

    [ Parent ]

    And this is the guy who is being sold to us (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Florida Resident on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    as better than McBush because of SCOTUS?  Hmmmm I wonder sometimes.

    [ Parent ]
    Cokie Roberts (5.00 / 8) (#4)
    by bjorn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:45:10 AM EST
    was sticking up for Clinton on This Week.  She said the tone of pundits and columnists has not been respectful toward Clinton and her supporters are not going to take it well.  Thank you Cokie!  Women are not giving up on Hillary!

    Cokie "Beltway Shill" Roberts? (5.00 / 12) (#6)
    by Fabian on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:48:05 AM EST
    Color me astonished!

    [ Parent ]
    Another way to look at it is.... (4.75 / 12) (#9)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:55:26 AM EST
    ...that's just how bad its gotten. Even Cokie has to acknowledge it.

    [ Parent ]
    So lisadawn, what was in my comment that... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:46:35 AM EST
    ...you thought rated a 2? I thought it was pretty innocuous.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't bother. (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Fabian on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:53:36 AM EST
    If they don't bother to comment, ignore their ratings - unless you want to email the admins.

    Or if you really are curious, look up their other ratings to see what they are up to.  Nothing like a new user with a list of "1" ratings to clue you in!

    [ Parent ]

    Actually I was curious about her because... (none / 0) (#94)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:45:10 PM EST
    ...she doesn't seem like part of that crew.

    [ Parent ]
    That seemed to be an honest (none / 0) (#99)
    by Fabian on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:37:05 PM EST
    rating, mistake or otherwise.

    Things happen.

    But the trolls have been tedious lately.

    [ Parent ]

    Cokie is right (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:54:24 AM EST
    It's truly been awful all year.

    Exhausting and very discouraging.

    [ Parent ]

    Those people don't really care that (none / 0) (#128)
    by derridog on Sun May 11, 2008 at 09:48:25 PM EST
    Clinon is being bashed. They are the major bashers. They are just nervous now because they realize that they have pissed off a huge part of the population and suddenly they want to see what they can DO to smooth things over so we will do their bidding and vote for their idol.

    Dream on. In my opinion, if Hillary drops out, we will have two Republicans running and only one of them worthy of consideration because he's at least a decent guy. Unfortunately, that's not Obama.

    [ Parent ]

    Wonderful take on the (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by jpete on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:45:15 AM EST
    situation.  

    Meanwhile Adrew Kohut in the NYTimes reckons that the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot.  Again, of course.  McCain will finish him.

    I Definitely Think He Is Right n/t (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:57:54 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I Remember Well... (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by AmyinSC on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:50:03 AM EST
    The days of 3-step and pass basketball of which Malcolm wrote, to protect the girls from too much strenuous activity, a ridiculous construct to which my 3 brothers could attest.  But you know - we were such delicate flowers then...Ahem.  

    So, yes, it is a HUGE testament to Hillary Clinton that she came out of that time with the belief, no, the KNOWLEDGE, that she could compete on a level playing field (oh, and if ONLY this election cycle WAS a level playing field - the contest would be over, and she would be the only one standing), and has done so not with arrogance, but compassion, humor, and courage.  

    There is no wonder that many of us support Clinton, that many WOMEN support Clinton.  We've been there, we know what it feels like to have the less qualified candidate get all of the glory and praise while taking our work, claiming it for their own.  We know the resentment of being smart women when we were always supposed to demure to the men (and add being a Southerner on top of that).  She did not get to where she is without a lot of hard work, and a lot of intestinal fortitude.  So, heck to the yes - she should stay in until the Convention.  God(dess) willing and the creeks don't rise, she'll be our first Woman President, too.

    Thanks So Much (5.00 / 11) (#10)
    by cdalygo on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:55:48 AM EST
    Like the women touted in that article my mom never gave up. Even when it meant raising three kids on her own without help from anyone. (Now that I'm older I really understand the pressures she faced.)

    On my first mother's day without her, I see no better way to honor her memory than by sticking with Hillary. Much the same way as she never quit, never will I.

    My Sympathies... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by AmyinSC on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:42:25 AM EST
    For your loss...Your mother sounds like a great woman...

    [ Parent ]
    Well, if Hillary does not make it (5.00 / 13) (#11)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:57:36 AM EST
    no DNC money from me.  It goes to Emily's list.  I think it will be my political conduit.  

    Emily's List is fantastic (5.00 / 12) (#13)
    by Kathy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:01:25 AM EST
    they've made huge inroads in GA pushing pro-choice, dem women.  I worked with them about four years ago before my life got to hectic, but I still send them as much moolah as I can without my accountant asking what's wrong with me.

    Anyone looking for a place to park their DNC money should look no farther.  Protecting our reproductive rights is paramount in these hostile times, especially when some in our party seem to think anti-choice dems that dilute the platform are acceptable.

    Emily's List is doing great things to GOTV for Clinton.  I'm sure Certain Bloggers will demand we shut them out soon!

    [ Parent ]

    Well, I am now upping the contributions (5.00 / 6) (#17)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:03:56 AM EST
    This is really important.  We don't need to start new groups, we need to strengthen the existing ones.  

    [ Parent ]
    EMILY's List is supporting Nikki Tinker (5.00 / 7) (#61)
    by Cream City on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:03:24 PM EST
    who is running against Steve Cohen, the a**hole who so enjoyed using the "Fatal Attraction" metaphor against Clinton this week.  I have worked for other EMILY's List (I capitalize it, as it is an acronym) candidates, and its approval does not come easily.  It is based on candidates' records, interviews, references, etc.

    But on my own, I also looked up Tinker's website, and she is a great candidate.  Give to the E-List, give to her -- and let Rep. Cohen know that the days are numbered for  the likes of him "representing" more than half of his constituency, women.  

    [ Parent ]

    On That Topic... (5.00 / 11) (#71)
    by AmyinSC on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:22:09 PM EST
    I wrote the following letter to Rep. Cohen this morning:

    What an unfortunate introduction to you - your shameless personal attack on Senator Clinton.  How you could say such a disparaging remark about the Former First Lady of Arkansas, the Former First Lady of the United States, a second term US Senator, AND a candidate for President of the United States is mind boggling.  Add to that attacking someone who has been a GREAT friend to the Jewish community AND the African American Community, whose HUSBAND HELPED YOU FUND RAISE FOR YOUR POSITION, and it leaves me almost speechless!!

    How dare you, sir??  What a misogynistic thing to say about a woman who is making a historic, ground-breaking run for president, and who is supported by MILLIONS of people.  No apology is sufficient for what you said about Senator Clinton in my opinion.  None.  Not only was what you said a knife in the back to someone who HELPED you, but it was an attack on women in general.  This is not only shameless, it is reprehensible.

    What is worse is had McCain not called you out on your despciable comment, you would have thought nothing of it.  Wow.  That is just astonishing that a REPUBLICAN would be calling you out on this.  It makes me ashamed of what so many Democrats have demonstrated this election season - blatant sexism and misogyny.

    As a result of your offensive statement regarding Senator Clinton, I am now going to go make a donation to your COMPETITOR, Nikki Tinker.  I hope next year ushers in a  WOMAN in your place.

    Sincerely,
    The Rev. Amy

    [ Parent ]

    Bravo! (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:53:02 PM EST
    (clap, clap, clap, clap)

    VERY well said.


    [ Parent ]

    Thanks! (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by AmyinSC on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:10:12 PM EST
    :-)

    I appreciate that!

    And I honestly do not know if Tinker is behind any of the attacks on Cohen or not.  To be perfectly honest, that was not my focus.  My focus was on the fact that someone who had ridden on the Clinton coattails to get to where he is betrayed them, and not only betrayed them by picking someone who has NOWHERE the record Clinton does for Jewish and AA communities, but did it in an incredibly misogynistic way.  So, yeah - I think he needs to be replaced, and if it is by a woman, all the better, IMHO.  Maybe he will learn to at least keep his hateful comments to HIMSELF.  Better yet, maybe he'll miraculously grow a spine, and get some freakin' INTEGRITY!!!!  

    [ Parent ]

    Is Tinker (none / 0) (#74)
    by Iphie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:25:32 PM EST
    or her supporters behind the truly horrendous anti-semitic smears against Cohen?
    "What does Nikki Tinker think about anti-Semitic literature being circulated that might help her unseat 9th District Congressman Steve Cohen in the Democratic primary next August?" the editorial asked. "The question goes to the character of the woman who wants to represent the 9th District, and 9th District voters deserve an answer. But Tinker declined to return a phone call about the flier."

    The editorial also noted that last summer Cohen came under attack from black ministers who challenged the congressman's support for federal hate crimes legislation to protect gay rights. The paper wrote that the "real motive" behind the ministers' attacks was revealed later by Rev. Robert Poindexter who, according to the Commercial Appeal, said of Cohen: "He's not black and he can't represent me, that's just the bottom line."

    I'm not about to throw my support to one bigot just to spite another.

    [ Parent ]
    If you find the answer to your question (none / 0) (#89)
    by Cream City on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:27:57 PM EST
    please post it.  I certainly do not want to support the sort of wholesale flinging of charges of racism that have so disgusted me in this campaign, too.

    Maybe there is a third candidate.  One hopes so, for the sake of the people of Tennessee -- and for us all, counting on Congress to check President McCain.

    [ Parent ]

    Thanks! I was going to check this (none / 0) (#79)
    by nycstray on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:36:20 PM EST
    out today, so you saved me the search  :)

    [ Parent ]
    I gave to WVWV (none / 0) (#68)
    by Iphie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:15:53 PM EST
    when they started getting trashed by the big bully blog boyz. I've supported them in the past, the incident just reminded me to do it again. If we don't get more women to vote, and truly start flexing our electoral power, the party elders and the media are going to continue to take our vote for granted and discount our concerns and our candidates.

    [ Parent ]
    Images on Hillary (5.00 / 10) (#14)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:01:33 AM EST
    People have pushed the image of the psycho girlfriend.  Yet there is another compelling image that was never talked about.  

    The caring mother who will not give up on her child, even though her child is in a pickle.  All the mothers that I have known that keep the faith, sustain the struggle of seeing their difficult children to adulthood and independence.  

    This is what Hillary has been saying about staying in the race to fight for the country.  Instead they see it as an egotistical manifestation.  How pathetic, that endurance , diligence and perseverance  are considered vices.  

    You are daft (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:12:19 AM EST
    eating her young, what  wicked vile hole do you people inhabit?  

    [ Parent ]
    Jeralyn??? BTD??? (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Kathy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:13:13 AM EST
    please note name of this poster, etc.

    [ Parent ]
    Did not catch the name... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Stellaaa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:16:14 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Democratic Unity - a new troll? (none / 0) (#45)
    by Fabian on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:45:12 AM EST
    They do pick the most ironic names!

    [ Parent ]
    Fabian (none / 0) (#125)
    by DFLer on Sun May 11, 2008 at 07:27:06 PM EST
    You qualify as a winner of a Dick Tracy two-way radio watch!

    or at least an A on the FBI observation test (as I interpret the Classic comic book fbi stroy!

    [ Parent ]

    Says the voice of maturity. (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Teresa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:20:43 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Nothing better to do (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:21:31 AM EST
    when Rush is off the air?

    [ Parent ]
    Awww (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:13:37 AM EST
    You're asking me to vote for Obama, aren't you.

    The answer is no.

    [ Parent ]

    Much more likely (1.00 / 0) (#36)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:23:05 AM EST
    asking you to vote for Pat Buchanan

    [ Parent ]
    Pat Buchanan (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:56:25 AM EST
    has made some whopper sexist remarks, but he's been very fair-minded about Hillary in general.

    He's one I enjoy hearing talk.  Carville, Buchanan, and "Morning Joe," who I thought was the only person to find a clever way to back her and avoid being ripped to shreds.  Who can argue with someone who openly professes to dote on her?  LOL*

    There were some keen colorful moments this year, eh?

    [ Parent ]

    What is the matter with you (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by waldenpond on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:24:58 AM EST
    get lost you are frigging disgusting to come here at all let alone on mother's day.

    [ Parent ]
    You're an idiot (none / 0) (#31)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:19:59 AM EST
    Go back to freeper

    [ Parent ]
    You know? (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:23:11 PM EST
    It's really weird to walk in on these comments after the initial one's been deleted.

    [ Parent ]
    Be assured (none / 0) (#100)
    by riddlerandy on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:37:52 PM EST
    it was well deserved

    [ Parent ]
    Stellaa, this is (none / 0) (#122)
    by camellia on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:53:44 PM EST
    truly an original viewpoint, and one which really hits home with me.  Thank you!  

    [ Parent ]
    No Exit (5.00 / 9) (#27)
    by Athena on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:16:18 AM EST
    Hillary's mother was born when women were not allowed to vote.  Not allowed by men.  Why should her daughter leave the national stage before the race is over?

    If Hillary's candidacy were treated with the same reverence as Obama's - historic and path-breaking - we would not be seeing the MSM and blog boys jumping up and down screaming "She's gone!"  "She's dead!"

    Obama is breaking barriers, while Hillary is loitering.

    There is a deeply matricidal element to the Hillary-bashing.  

    As usual, the OBoiz are outsourcing their shame (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Ellie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:49:01 AM EST
    Someone's supposed to carry the burden of past shame, the stress of current risk and the dismay future blame while the presumptive rulers ditz around with where to boss the infinite resource of mindless underlings.

    I'm off the bus and waiting for the next one.

    [ Parent ]

    To all those who did find the will and the (5.00 / 7) (#29)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:19:11 AM EST
    way to compete:

    Give some thought to the mothers of the 50's and 60's.  We lived through the 40's when women built planes, flew planes, took on every sort of job that some soldier left behind.  Then came peace*--and we had to return to the ironing board and half-court basketball.

    You know, we still are angry!  We encouraged our girls to be the best--and you did become the best.  It shows in your work, your accomplishments, and your children.  And any pundit who does not see the built-up resentment and anger in us old crones, is missing the boat.  We did the best we could with one hand tied behind our backs, and, boy, do we want Hillary to overcome.

    *read a book: the entire 'family togetherness' of the early boomer years was deliberately played up in women's magazines.  The government had promised the GI's they'd get their jobs back--but after WWI, women were not anxious to return to tea parties and ironing.  So began a low-key propaganda campaign that worked pretty well--if you don't count all the divorces as women began to wake up and the anger that still simmers.

    Was the book Creating Rosie the Riveter (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Cream City on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:07:01 PM EST
    by Maureen Honey?  It is a superb study of the propaganda campaign in the all-too-willing media to get women into the workforce and then right back out again.  She also shows well how economic class was used by the government, as she compares messages in different magazines aimed at different women -- some to go into the factories, but some to go into offices.

    Her book has made me even more skeptical of everything I see in the media, ever since.

    [ Parent ]

    i do not recall what the title was; (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:31:26 PM EST
    but I will check the library for that book.

    I have the impression it was a 'scholarly' study.   I have never forgotten that it led me to feel as if I had been sold down the river. I fell into the trap--married, had a child, had to quit my job, took in the platitudes about family life and making a home--I STILL feel cheated (by myself, for being gullible.  I kept the recipes I dutifully cut out, but I have never again allowed one of those flimsy little grills in the yard 'for the entire family and good friends to gather around'.)

    Should I add that I did become the family 'decider' despite all the 'little woman' propagenda.  A shrinking violet they could not make me.

    [ Parent ]

    They get it, Molly (none / 0) (#69)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:16:51 PM EST
    and they view women, particularly Hillary, as very capable of "taking it."  They get it big-time.

    What I see is they do now award AAs the same respect.

    And that makes me feel badly, because that's not right.

    [ Parent ]

    they (who?) do now or do not (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:46:35 PM EST
    award AA's, the same respect.  Which?

    Yesterday one of the threads had tempted me to rant about the efforts I put into racial issues.  I advocated and voted for desegregation, didn't join in the panic when the first black families moved in (CA), forced the issue of desegregating special ed classes (SC), brought black kids home with me after school because there were carpools instead of buses for the youngest, worked in a black church's day care washing dishes, integrated the scout troop I led, picked up the black kids who got sick at school and took them to the doctor--oh shoot, there's no need to get boring. How does the Obama campaign make me feel?  Well, can you hear me yell from under the bus?

    Last laugh?  I have it, because I made a difference to those kids, and the white ones too.

    [ Parent ]

    I understand, exactly (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Cream City on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:08:37 PM EST
    on these counts.  I feel betrayed, too -- and at my stage in life, if I am so easily going to be tossed under the bus after giving up so much, I am done giving.   As it is, it looks like the "new party" of Dems is going to agree with the Republican party to do in my Social Security.  So it has to be all about self-interest for me now.

    Sorry, all those individuals who would have had my help, all those groups who would have had my donations.  I am going to have to be the one -- the only one -- I have been waiting for. . . .

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary not giving up (5.00 / 9) (#37)
    by disappointed on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:23:30 AM EST
    I am so with the comments of the writer to Scan on Taylor Marsh.  I am 68 years old, a veteran of civil rights struggles in the South.  I still have my old George McGovern poster up in my study.  I am so disgusted with the treatment of Hillary from Vanity Fair to all of the leftist blogs save this one, and Digby.  Even Atrios has finally gone over. It is more than depressing to have waited your whole life to see a progressive woman with the first real chance at the presidency--and realize I will probably not live to see this again.  The misogyny, the hatred masked as "liberal" -- is something I never would have thought possible months ago.  I am really quite depressed.

    I didn't choose Hillary because she is a woman (5.00 / 10) (#42)
    by BarnBabe on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:31:56 AM EST
    or else I wouldn't have liked Edwards first. Then I looked at Hillary and saw how much she would make a good President. And then somewhere Obama and his supporters crossed the line and I did not like what I saw. I think at that point it became Woman's Pride. It became personal. She is fighting it out for all the women in the world. I feel like the Verizon ads with the group of support people behind her. Those support people are us. As a middle class woman, I will stand beside her all the way to the convention and beyond. Hillary is for all people but she will always be our own President of Woman.    

    In Montana another story (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by athyrio on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:43:27 AM EST
    of an elderly republican woman that is mad at the treatment of Hillary in this primary....She informed her son-in-law after he bashed Hillary for being a woman and how that meant she couldnt possibly be CIC, "where would you be without your wife who picked u up from the gutter and your wild and drinking ways and stood by you as you sobered up and got a real job etc...."  He had to sheepishly admit his mother-in-law was correct....LOL....Go Hillary08!!!!

    I remember when my younger (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by mg7505 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:46:50 AM EST
    sister was 13 years old -- 5 foot 6, ran a mile in 6 minutes, tough as nails on the hockey rink, soccer field and life in general. She could pick up (and knock down!) a grown man, but she still had to fight twice as hard for everything as I did. Now we're both proud Hillary supporters -- go figure.

    Why would she give up? (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by RalphB on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:46:56 AM EST
    With the upcoming contests, she's expected to win big in WV, KY, and PR.  Obama is favored in SD, MT, and OR.  Once MI/FL are seated, and I believe they will be seated, she could enter the convention ahead in the popular vote and close in delegates.

    Even if the superdelegates announce support before the convention for Obama, they don't vote until August.  There's absolutely no reason for her to quit before the convention.  On to Denver and fight it out there.

    I think the only reason she might (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:50:41 PM EST
    "give up" is lack of funds, especially if WV supporters don't show up at the polls.

    [ Parent ]
    The we'd better hope that WV voters (none / 0) (#98)
    by RalphB on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:06:59 PM EST
    show up at the polls.  Maybe my daughter's dog can make a donation  :-)  

    [ Parent ]
    The Hilary Passion (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Saul on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:18:16 PM EST
    I have never seen such passion as this democrat nomination, never.   I am a supporter of Hilary.  I am not  sure what my decision will be in the GE until we get close to it.     I feel this unique passion will flow over to the GE especially if Hilary is trashed from here on out.   So much so that there will be no forgiving the Obama camp if they win the nomination.  Does any one else feel this way and what percent of Hillary supporters can we say will not vote for Obama because of this passion.  Just curious.  Maybe they need to start a poll.

    Well, Saul, (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by AmyinSC on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:31:36 PM EST
    I can tell you - there is NO WAY I will vote for Obama, if he is the nominee.  Ever.  I will write in Clinton's name if my state allows it, and if not, I will leave it blank. And if Clinton is NOT the nominee, I will no longer give ANY money to the DNC, just Emily's List and other individual pols for whom I have respect.  This is not a sour grapes kind of thing - it is because of the blatant misogyny with which the DNC has acted this election season.  They don't freakin' DESERVE my vote.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm starting to see where I'm landing (5.00 / 7) (#78)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:33:48 PM EST
    and interestingly enough, I'm not that focused on Obama.

    I personally think he'll be pretty ineffectual.  He's clueless about implementation of policies.

    But I think I've truly adjusted to my new "home" as a real Independent.

    I'm going to scour for good people, regardless of their label, in all parties.

    This is sort of fun.

    Enuf of supporting this Democratic Party.  I honestly don't want any connection to a lot of the Democrats who played dirty.

    Pelosi......who misinformed the public about SDs and their role.
    Kennedy.......who trashed the Clintons
    Brazile.......who talked
    Dean........who weasled
    Kerry........who was downright snotty
    Richardson........who made it all about poor him
    Anderson......who just is a 2nd rate idiot
    Clyburn......who acted like a clown to stir up racial tension.

    I'm not going to support this gang.

    I will support good, solid Dems.  I loved Feinsteins statement.  "Let Hillary decide."  Respectful.  And believe me, I disagree with her positions quite often.  But I think she's got a good head.  Boxer?  Kept quiet, anyway.

    I really liked Mayor Nutter.  I think he should be encouraged to go national.  His speech about how he selected Hillary as an SD still makes me shiver.  His eye wasn't on electability.  He looked at qualificatons and skill and said, "I don't care if I'm the last man standing.  My choice stands for something."

    That's the kind of person I'd like to see supported to go forth in politics.

    Not all these spin artists.  I'm so done with electability crud.  It's just an excuse to avoid looking at the obvious.  Who really can run the country.

    [ Parent ]

    That question is asked in exit polls (none / 0) (#76)
    by RalphB on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:30:44 PM EST
    now and the number is pretty darn high.  I imagine that, if the trashing doesn't stop, it will go up.  Can't remember the numbers now though.


    [ Parent ]
    Exit Polls (none / 0) (#108)
    by Jane in CA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:49:55 PM EST
    in NC and Indiana indicated that 50 percent of Clinton supporters would either vote for McCain, or stay home in a general election, per CNN.

    This number has gradually but steadily gone up as the race continues, BTW. It was 20 percent a couple months ago, rose steadily to 33 percent after Texas and Ohio, and jumped to 50 percent in the last primaries.  If this trend continues, the percentage of Clinton supporters who refuse to vote for Obama in the GE will be stratospheric in the WV exit polls.

    [ Parent ]

    Winners never quit, (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by OldCoastie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:27:57 PM EST
    quiters never win...

    I think Obama is making a big mistake by not competeing in WV and KY.

    Just realized: Obama has always been a quitter (5.00 / 4) (#91)
    by Ellie on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:30:16 PM EST
    I'm not smearing here: His record speaks for itself!

    He just finds someone new to usher him out of his current job -- even if it comes down to altering the score or looking for a rule to tweak -- and onwards and upwards to his next slate of undeliverable big promises.

    As I said before, and only half-tongue in cheek, his hardest recorded fight was for that waffle.

    No wonder neither he nor his backers and supporters can fairly deal with someone like Sen. Clinton, who shows up, plays hard and follows through.

    And DOES NOT go away till the clock has run out and an official decision is in. (The fans have a say, but don't decide the score.)

    [ Parent ]

    rofl (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by moll on Sun May 11, 2008 at 05:05:42 PM EST
    his hardest recorded fight was for that waffle.

    That is the funniest thing I have heard all day...because, you know, I can't think of another instance where he actually gets passionate about anything, really....

    [ Parent ]

    I must say (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by AnninCA on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:05:37 PM EST
    that I don't think I really got to my own full potential in life until I knew

    Surrender to win.

    As a recovering "over-determined" person, I have learned that every assets....being a bit of a bulldog here......turns into a defect

    if I go to far.

    I am really hoping the media reports are wrong.  I am hoping that Hillary is just staying true to her message that every vote counts.

    Then, I'm hoping, she's OK with letting it fall where it falls.

    A true competitor knows......give it your best, don't sweat the results.

    I am convinced Hillary is a woman of very enviable character.

    But heck, I'm not a politician, either.  Maybe she is unable to lose gracefully.

    I hope that's not true.

    Mentally and emotionally exhausted! (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by sotonightthatimightsee on Sun May 11, 2008 at 01:58:55 PM EST
    As a staunch democrat- loyal to my party and its values, it is with great pain and disappointment that I must now divorce myself from it- indefinitely!

    I've watched my party be taken over by a bunch of left-wing nuts bent on pushing through their twisted and misguided agenda. They've employed the help of the MSM and together have maliciously and shamelessly trashed the most successful democratic president and first lady since JFK and Jackie O.

    I hurts me to see my party self-destruct this way- and for what? Can't the party elders see what is going on here? Obama and his goons play the race card in SC, thus giving blacks an excuse not to feel guilty for abandoning the Clintons. The MSM turns around and instead blames Bill Clinton and brand him a racist. Obama gets a free pass from the press about his shady past (Ayers, Rezko, Wright, etc.)yet they constantly trash the Clintons for being "ambitious and driven."

    I believe there isn't a woman (or man) alive more deserving of leading this country than HillaryClinton. This is why I could not, and will NOT in good conscience vote for an opportunistic, racist radical like Obama. I much rather vote for John McCain. At least I know where he stands!

    Let CNN, MSNBC and the NYT think Hillary's supporters will "come around" in November. They will get the shock of their lives on that cold November night and the exit polls show we went for Mcain 3-1!

    I have now officially become and "Independent voter."

    GOODBYE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

    I know your (none / 0) (#119)
    by sas on Sun May 11, 2008 at 06:33:23 PM EST
    decision to leave the party after so many years had to hurt you.  I have decided the same thing and it hurts me.  But my party has made it clear that they don't want me anymore.  It's just as well, because I have lost so much respect for them.  

    Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Richardson, are some of them...and the list goes on, and gets bigger.

    The DNC, and the Obama folks really belive the party will unite in November.  I believe they are wrong.   They are clueless.  Even if Hillary asks me to support Obama, I just can't.    

    I still don't believe Obama is a real Democrat.  FDR, LBJ, JFK and Truman would be so ashamed of him. (especially FDR , who fairly revered the working man.)

    [ Parent ]

    One reason is W Va and KY (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by gandy007 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:42:22 PM EST
    I'm just gleefully waiting for the severe butt kicking that Hillary is going to inflict on Mr. I Don't Need to Campaign Anymore in these two states.

    It may just be the last hoorah or hooray as the case may be.  However, maybe it will be more than that if people other than we, Michigan, and Florida; get outraged at the dismissive way in which Obama has discounted the votes of countless Americans who have voted or are yet to vote.

    Here is a lead article today from the Lexington Herald-Ledger.  Even though I obviously don't agree with many of the sentiments, I can only be gleeful pragmatically at the coming result. 60-40 if he's lucky.

    http://www.kentucky.com/254/story/401379.html
    Obama's race is the 'elephant' in the voter booth.

       

    Not even the youngest among us will give up! (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by nell on Sun May 11, 2008 at 03:57:02 PM EST
    I had to share this - not even Hillary's youngest supporters are giving up! This 11 year old sold his bike, his video games, and everything and presented President Clinton with $440 in WV...

    http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/wv/news1.shtml

    To add (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by nell on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:00:55 PM EST
    I wanted to share a story I heard when I was at Hillary's Generations event in DC earlier this week from a young Hillary supporter.

    During the question and answer session with Anne Lewis, Terry McAuliffe, and others, a boy who I would guess was 12 or 13 stood up and told his story. He had on a Hillary Clinton t-shirt and he was nervous, but really wanted to share. He told the group of mostly women about how he wears his Hillary t-shirt to school a lot and a lot of the other boys at school make fun of him and say things like "Hillary sucks," etc, and then he paused for a second, his voice caught a little bit, and he said, "But I still stand strong with Hillary."

    He got a standing ovation and I do not think there was a dry eye in that room at that moment. What courage and sense of character at such a young age. I have been thinking about him all week.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh yeah (5.00 / 3) (#113)
    by sas on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:07:25 PM EST