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By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:12:27 PM EST
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The Pew Research Center: Obama's image is slipping. The AP discusses the poll here.

More polls:

  • CNN: Obama losing ground
  • Teleresearch (Indiana): Hillary has a 10 point lead over Barack Obama
  • In North Carolina:
    Raleigh's Public Policy Polling has found that Obama's one-time lead of 25 points has decreased to 12. A SurveyUSA poll shows him ahead by 5, while the Rasmussen Reports poll has Obama's lead at 14.

More....

Hillary's also doing better than Obama against McCain. Rasmussen Daily Tracking:

In general election polling John McCain now attracts 46% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 43%. Just before Wright had his press conference on Monday, McCain and Obama were even. A week ago, Obama had a two-point edge. McCain is now tied with Hillary Clinton at 44%. A week ago, McCain had a two-point edge over the former First Lady.

NPR examines Obama's slipping poll numbers.

For yesterday's Insider Advantage and Mason Dixon polls, go here.

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    Did you see the 5 day change among (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by MarkL on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:15:36 PM EST
    male voters in IN? Obama was up 20, now I think Hillary is up a couple of points. That's over just 5 days. Ouch.

    I think its time for Hillary to quit (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Exeter on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:20:18 PM EST
    At least that's what the Obama campaign said through new surrogate Joe Andrews this AM.

    What else can she do except quit? (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:28:35 PM EST
    Anything else will spoil Obama's chance to be president.  We know he's already got it in the bag and there's no possibility the DNC will let anyone else have the nomination.  The MATH says it's impossible for Hillary to win.

    At least that's what Obama people keep saying.  I'd say these folks were joking but I see little sign of a sense of humor coming from over there.  :-)


    [ Parent ]

    Well... i guess there is a long sad history... (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Exeter on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:30:36 PM EST
    ...of asking to "just quit" for the sake of making life easier for their male counterpart, so I guess it makes sense that Obama would say that; )

    [ Parent ]
    I agree about the "get out of the way (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:34:41 PM EST
    for the man" thing.  It's more than a little disgusting.  And if I never hear another Obama math talking point ever, it will be too soon!


    [ Parent ]
    Obama's method IS to remove opponents (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by andrys on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:37:02 PM EST
    ...as its' easier that way.

      It makes sense that the main campaign strategy (since just before he has kept losing big state over big state) is that his surrogates keep insisting she just get out of the way.

      It also makes sense that Obama was the one person who stood in the way of revotes in the two big states we need for the election.  His self-confidence is actually lower than it would seem.

    [ Parent ]

    obama's Weasly Ways Are Intact Though (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:06:39 PM EST
    Alice Palmer is stumping for Sen. Clinton and who knows better than she what underhanded tactics obama is capable of using.  

    [ Parent ]
    The Poll Motto for this primary (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Stellaaa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:20:46 PM EST
    If you don't like the polling numbers today, just wait 24 hours and a poll to your liking will appear.  That serves me well since I am in the Kathy camp, only read polls that are favorable to your candidate.  

    Usually I hate to say "jumped the shark" (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Exeter on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:27:14 PM EST
    But I think Obama suddenly seems much like Fonzi doing a water ski jump over shark infested waters, wearing his black leather jacket. At first Fonzi was very cool, but now he seems so... absurd; )  

    [ Parent ]
    Jeralyn -- Can I request a song? (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Exeter on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:21:40 PM EST
    "I'm going down" by The Boss?

    Except the Boss (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Jeralyn on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:39:48 PM EST
    supports Obama.

    And yes, everyone can suggests songs.

    [ Parent ]

    That cinches it (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by blogtopus on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:41:02 PM EST
    If the Boss supports Obama, then his song singing about 'I'm going down, down, down' is more than appropriate, don't you think? :-P

    [ Parent ]
    Here ya go..hehehe (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:48:36 PM EST
    I'm Goin' Down ..Recorded live in Philly. I thought the venue was fun..given PA is where Obama started downwards. Heh.

    [ Parent ]
    Dolly Parton - Eagle When She Flies (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by bridget on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:51:56 PM EST
    a song for Hillary the Fighter

    [ Parent ]
    I fergot the video link (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by BrandingIron on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:43:48 PM EST

    Video

    A woman on the radio talked about revolution
    When it's already passed her by
    Bob Dylan didn't have this to sing about you
    You know it feels good to be alive

    I was alive and I waited, waited
    I was alive and I waited for this
    Right here, right now
    There is no other place I want to be
    Right here, right now
    Watching the world wake up from history

    Absolutely perfect for her.  Darn those soft-hits voters on HIllaryClinton.com!

    [ Parent ]

    I still say (none / 0) (#81)
    by BrandingIron on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:38:36 PM EST

    "Right Here, Right Now" should've been Hillary's campaign song (I voted for it, and am bitter it didn't win).  It's a 90's anthem and there's just no better song for the first female president.

    [ Parent ]
    Hillary on Nightline tonight (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:24:09 PM EST


    How is this? (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by nellre on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:25:11 PM EST
    Obama sunk by Wright?
    Hillary has survived far far worse.

    I'll say it's because Clinton offers a long and solid record, while Obama offers hope.

    Sunk, I'm not sure, But I agree with the rest.... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jerry on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:33:26 PM EST
    I'm not sure he's sunk.

    I do agree that Hillary's experience in office helps her get past issues that take the blush of the new rose.  Apart from the messianics, no one can say, "yes, but look how he ....", and these episodes highlight his inexperience and his being an ordinary politician after all.

    [ Parent ]

    They also speak to a lack (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:59:25 PM EST
    of character and strength. He hasn't really been tested by a hard campaign and if the flap over Rev. Wright elicits comments from him like "shaken" and the primary campaign is like "the Bataan Death March" how is he going to react under REAL stress. Like the GE campaign. Like being President. Doesn't make him look good, or ready.

    [ Parent ]
    Looks Now Like obama Needs Someone (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:14:16 PM EST
    to offer him hope.

    [ Parent ]
    Something to help the polls (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by cmugirl on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:26:38 PM EST
    Hillary is going on "This Week" on Sunday - directly opposite Obama on MTP.  But "This Week" is going to be a town hall style meeting with voters in Indiana and taking questions from people in NC (kind of like  what some posters here suggested - debate Obama without him).

    This is great news - he will be in a DC studio with Tim Russert for the whole hour and she will be talking to voters directly!

    Does nayone watch Timmeh (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:35:22 PM EST
    anymore? Go Hillary. She will not only be answering voters' questions she will be doing it in national TV.

    [ Parent ]
    Are they taped at the same time? (none / 0) (#64)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:25:16 PM EST
    Here in Orlando they air at different times.

    [ Parent ]
    if she doesnt quit soon (5.00 / 10) (#9)
    by isaac on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:27:54 PM EST
    she might just win

    Harold Ickes Sends Evidence To SuperDs (5.00 / 6) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:31:11 PM EST
    Harold Ickes puts together the evidence of the sea change we're seeing in the polls, and presents it to the superdelegates for their consideration as they watch the polls in North Carolina and Indiana (and the national polls) swing Hillary's way. Not since New Hampshire have we seen so much late movement in voters' preferences. Don't expect superdelegates to start jumping this week, but after next Tuesday...

    campskunk at MyDD has a copy of the memo and all the details.

    Breaking: ABC's 'This Week' Holds Town Hall with Clinton
    "Hillary Clinton will appear in a live town hall meeting Sunday on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." Just two days before the primaries, ABC's town hall event will be broadcast live from Indiana, and also include viewer questions from North Carolina. Obama and McCain have also been invitied.

    Hillary has put Obama between a rock and a hard place on the Town Hall Meeting. Be interesting to see which he chooses.

    And she had to pay for her town halls (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Cream City on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:40:53 PM EST
    televised in past -- when her cash flow was worse.  Always interesting how it happens that way.  

    [ Parent ]
    A diarist at The Orange (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:03:59 PM EST
    is going absolutely ballistic over this, claiming ABC is showing favoritism to Clinton and may be breaking the law. (You'll have to imagine all caps and 10 or 15 exclamation points.)

    He/she apparently didn't read far enough to see all three candidates were invited.

    [ Parent ]

    Always With The Wailing and Gnashing Of (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:12:50 PM EST
    teeth by obamaholics when they perceive their boy has been wronged.  It is not pretty to watch.

    [ Parent ]
    My Obama loving co-worker (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by cmugirl on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:16:33 PM EST
    Is telling me as we speak that the ABC town hall is crazy with having Stephanopolous moderating it is just crazy....

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:21:54 PM EST
    That big bad meanie George Stephanopolis.  Strikes terror into the heart of Obamafans everywhere.

    George threw Obama a lifeline in the last debate.  Obama mis-spoke and said he disowned Wright, and George caught it and asked him if he really disowned him.  Obama should have said yes right then.

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary invited him to debate. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:14:37 PM EST
    He REFUSED.

    McCain and Obama are cowards.

    [ Parent ]

    Geo. Steph Invited obama & McCain To This (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:31:58 PM EST
    townhall meeting too.  I bet you obama doesn't show up.  And while I am thinking about it....I wonder what is in Joe Andrew's wallet now that he has defected to the obama gulag.

    [ Parent ]
    Five and a half years (4.50 / 2) (#54)
    by daryl herbert on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:50:50 PM EST
    being tortured in Vietnam, and he refused to break.

    McCain has plenty of faults (primarily arrogance), but cowardice is not one of them.

    What makes you think that he's a coward?

    [ Parent ]

    Actually, (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:59 PM EST
    he did break and talked.  I am not saying that to criticize him at all, just to correct the record.

    [ Parent ]
    Here's the link (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:18:55 PM EST
    McCain: torture worked on me

    [ Parent ]
    Okay, he broke (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by daryl herbert on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:33:13 PM EST
    a little bit.  Five and a half years of torture, and he only broke a little.  Very few people could hold out like that.

    P.S.: NewsMax?  I feel dirty.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh please. And you wouldn't I suppose? (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by derridog on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:21:03 PM EST
    I'm not for McCain, but I don't think this line of discussion is very productive.

    [ Parent ]
    Facts Or Research Are Not Required At The Orange (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:16:28 PM EST
    They look for excuses to go ballistic and if they can't find any, they make them up. If they couldn't indulge in moment by moment outrage, they might actually have to look at what they are actually buying into.

    [ Parent ]
    There is (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:47:55 PM EST
    a name for people who do this:
    Outrage Junkies.

    [ Parent ]
    I Am Thinking "Faux Outrage Junkies" (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    It is rampant at HuffPo too.

    [ Parent ]
    I prefer Drama Queens. nt (5.00 / 0) (#84)
    by BrandingIron on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:47:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    No (none / 0) (#90)
    by Fredster on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:43:08 AM EST
    That is for America Blog.


    [ Parent ]
    What Law? (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:24:17 PM EST
    Obama Rules aren't laws and the "Fairness Doctrine" was abolished by St. Ronnie.

    [ Parent ]
    If He Backs Out of That Town Hall, I Think It (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:10:47 PM EST
    will be the end for him.  Many already view him as a coward.  Hopefully, they will not know any of the questions in the advance, which will make for more squirmage from obama.  I can't wait to see this town hall meeting myself.  

    My friend listened to Bill Clinton at a town hall type meeting today in Crown Point, IN and said he was phenomenal.  I wouldn't expect any less.  

    [ Parent ]

    He apparently was phenomenal here in NC (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by derridog on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:24:04 PM EST
    too.  I wasn't able to go see him but my husband did and both he and another friend separately and spontaneously told me what a great speaker he is and how incredibly well-informed and how he makes you feel that you are the only person he's talking to.

    [ Parent ]
    They say Obama's a great orator (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by BrandingIron on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:49:44 PM EST

    but Bill and Hillary Clinton are two of the greatest Democratic orators of our time.  They're BOTH highly intelligent and quick on the draw...I would sit and listen to Bill over Obama any day.  But I guess that's because I enjoy wonks when they speak...it amazes me at their aptitude for politics and policy.  

    [ Parent ]
    Perfect!!! (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:15:24 PM EST
    I hope McCain shows up and Obama doesn't.  

    [ Parent ]
    Even Better So Hillary Can Put To Bed The (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:35:04 PM EST
    notion she can't beat McCain.  She will pulverize him.

    [ Parent ]
    Big swings... (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by white n az on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:04:08 PM EST
    Gallup and Rasmussen were really big swings in just less than 5 days.

    Obama is trying to limp to the finish line and a tiny victory in NC will look like a loss and I see double digit victory for Hillary in Indiana.

    Pathetic that this guy should be considered the front runner when if we were playing by Republican rules (winner takes all), Hillary would have closed him out with the victory in PA

    Indiana poll (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:13:47 PM EST
    conducted by Indianapolis-based TeleResearch Corp. Hillary leads by 10.
    Anyone know if state-based polling companies are more accurate?


    [ Parent ]
    In their news release, they state they have... (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by alexei on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:28 PM EST
    predicted the winners within 1%.

    [ Parent ]
    wow - thank you (none / 0) (#74)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:03:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    feels right (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by bigbay on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:09:21 PM EST
    Wouldn't be surprised if it's more.

    I think the white working class is done with Obama.

    The fact he barely cracking 50 % in North Carolina is interesting, as well.

    [ Parent ]

    He's playing hope-a-dope. (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:13 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Only problem is, we have early voting and that's (4.50 / 2) (#80)
    by derridog on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:25:44 PM EST
    been going in Obama's favor about 2:1. So he has a lot in the bank already, I'm afraid.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama's (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:54:35 PM EST
    always claiming victory. Even when he loses a primary it's still a victory.

    He hasn't had a win since February (none / 0) (#89)
    by miriam on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:53:15 PM EST
    You have to wonder if the super-duper delegates are paying any attention at all to the facts.  We already know the media certainly aren't.

    [ Parent ]
    Might as well include... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by white n az on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:13:05 PM EST
    the new Pew Research poll which came to the same conclusion even though the poll was gathered prior to the Wright's appearances this last week.

    Pew Research LINK

    This report suggests that he was tanking before the latest tanking.

    He didn't really do well enough in PA (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by nycstray on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:45 PM EST
    yes, he closed to just under 10, but it sure cost him a lot, and not just in dollars. He got whiney and his message is old, and this was before he lost!

    [ Parent ]
    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:27:59 PM EST
    Wright just pushed him down the hill a little faster.

    [ Parent ]
    I really can't wait (4.50 / 2) (#20)
    by blogtopus on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:39:55 PM EST
    Until the convention, when Obama is chosen to be our Pres Nominee, his image battered and broken, Florida and Michigan off the map, hordes of midwesterners refusing to vote (and more than a few coastal elites). It will truly be the most baffling move in recent presidential election history.

    I hope the dems realize (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:46:05 PM EST
    what a mess they've made because of FL and MI.

    We are not going to forgive and forget.  Honest.

    [ Parent ]

    And yet the battle of the Supers... (4.00 / 1) (#11)
    by sweetthings on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:29:00 PM EST
    Is being won by Obama, day after day. At a time when you'd think that his Supers should be jumping ship to her, the reverse is happening. Why?

    Obviously, the Supers see a different picture than we do. What is it?

    I read somewhere... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by OrangeFur on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:32:28 PM EST
    ... that most supers have already made up their minds, and a lot of them were waiting to make it public, for fear of unduly influencing the race.

    It's possible that some of them, on both sides, think the opposite, and jump in when they perceive their candidate needs the help.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm not making fun of you (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:44:11 PM EST
    at all, but when I read "I read somewhere that..."

    Well, you get my point, I hope.

    I don't know what to think at this point.  I always feel that way just before another primary contest though.  Everyone's throwing stuff out there to see what sticks.

    And voters are watching and listening.  

    [ Parent ]

    I also suspect that some of the (none / 0) (#88)
    by sander60tx on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:32:18 PM EST
    supers have announced for Obama when they thought he needed help, like Richardson previously, and several others in the past couple days.  However, remember, the superdelegates can still change their minds, even if they have announced.  Like Andrews  who switched from Clinton to Obama, I imagine that if it continues to look bad for Obama, other supers might switch from Obama to Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    Is it really, that much? Obama's supers (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Cream City on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:43:05 PM EST
    get more publicity.  But in recent days, each day she gets some, he only gets one more, from what I've seen.  Sure, it adds up incrementally.  But based on most of the headlines we see, he's the only one getting new supers.  Not so.  (She got five today, last I looked.)

    [ Parent ]
    I realize the press harps more on his... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by sweetthings on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:48:22 PM EST
    And that Hillary is picking them up too. But Hillary should be picking them up...she's winning, after all. Obama is picking them up despite clearly suffering across the board. And we actually saw a defection from Hillary, which was surprising, to say the least.

    I just can't help but think that there's some angle the Supers are considering that I'm not giving full weight to. His magic money machine? The promise of youth voters? Clinton Derangement Syndrome?

    [ Parent ]

    How about ... (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:53:39 PM EST
    I just can't help but think that there's some angle the Supers are considering that I'm not giving full weight to.

    they're waiting to see how this plays out?

    Gee.  What a novel idea.

    [ Parent ]

    I think that CNN and MSNBC are trying (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by felizarte on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:55:38 PM EST
    to get back at Clinton for going on O'reilly, their arch competitor. O'reilly just has more viewers than those two.

    [ Parent ]
    CBS Obama News began tonight (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:06:59 PM EST
    with "It was a very bad day for Hillary Clinton with 2 pieces of bad news - a superdelegate defected and she lost her voice."
    (paraphrased)
    Couric is disgusting!

    [ Parent ]
    Was that really... (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by OrangeFur on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:33:05 PM EST
    ... what CBS News considered the most important news item in the world today? You would have thought that the unfortunate suicide of the DC Madam would have knocked that off, given the TV networks' usual affinity for tabloid news. (Not to mention the strike in Somalia, or the continued violence in Iraq.)

    [ Parent ]
    It wasn't their lead story (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:17:12 PM EST
    but it was one of the big stories of the broadcast they announce before the lead story begins. It was the 2nd or 3rd story.
    So - Hillary's laryngitis was a big story for CBS.

    [ Parent ]
    if only that were true (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by BostonIndependent on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:26:07 PM EST
    Obama has been buying supers.. for a while now, and overall he HAS been closing in on Clinton's lead w/ the automatic delegates (love that term).

    This particular issue bothers me .. a bit. The Globe covered it here locally, but I haven't seen anyone else in the MSM talk about this much. What do you all think about it?

    [ Parent ]

    thanks for the reminder (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:29:35 PM EST
    I did see this a while back, but forgot about it.  I wish it would get more attention.

    [ Parent ]
    Forgot to give my opinion (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:34:19 PM EST
    It is legal, and lord knows he's got the money to throw around.  I wonder what his donors think about their donations going to some congressman in Wisconsin?

    I just think it should be made more public.  Whenever another automatic delegate is announced for Obama, the text should read:

     Congressman X, given $nnnn by the Obama PAC, announced his support of Obama today.

    [ Parent ]

    The PAC and the campaign funds are (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:40:14 PM EST
    separate. That is why PACs are so popular..Obama can say HE doesn't take money from corporations and lobbyists without lying because HE doesn't...his PAC does. So, he can take huge contributions by special interests and spread them around Congress. And he does. Now, everyone, including Hillary, has a PAC. Not many of them are as well funded, or as generous, as Obama's HOPE PAC. I have that page bookmarked, the one on the link, and I refer to it every time someone comes out for Obama, just to see how much it cost. And I read something interesting on another blog, that CA SD, Lois Capps..her daughter is married to Burton, Obama's communications manager. I thought that was interesting. And I looked in the news accounts of her endorsement and found no mention that she is the mother-in-law of one of his major campaign staffers. This primary campaign is starting to look like NickatNight..first Happy Days and shark jumping, and now, All in the Family. Heh.

    [ Parent ]
    It may be legal (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by BostonIndependent on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:55:03 PM EST
    But I don't like it. But then, I am not a fan of these automatic delegates or the caucus process either.

    I do like the idea of changing the announcments to read "XYZ now endorses for ABC after getting 5000$".. good thought!

    One could argue that everyone votes because of self interest, but ...

    Thanks for the info.

    [ Parent ]

    I was just pointing out that the contributors (none / 0) (#87)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:10:25 PM EST
    to his campaign fund aren't the same as the PAC contributors. So all the little contributions that were made online, for instance, do not go to any other campaign. They go to Obama's.  

    [ Parent ]
    I know what it is (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Edgar08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:57:05 PM EST
    They believe that Obama supporters are less inclined to unite behind Clinton than Clinton supporters.  They're afraid of losing the Obama supporting voting block.

    The only real way for Clinton supporters to fight that sort of political game of chicken is to make our own statement about the future of the party if SDs steal the election for Obama.

    Not only that, but to stick to it.

    SDs.  Right now.  SDs are crushing any chance Obama has in the General Election.  It's as simple as that.

    Let the votes happen.  If Obama wins, he wins and we unite behind him.

    If SDs make those vote irrelevant, then we don't.

    It's as simple as that.

    [ Parent ]

    Behold teh awesome crush of imaginary BO superdeez (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Ellie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:17:11 PM EST
    A really resounding show of support here! It's like money in the bank!

    Capitol Hill insiders say the battle for congressional superdelegates is over, and one Senate supporter of Barack Obama is hinting strongly that he has prevailed over Hillary Rodham Clinton. [...]

    Sweet, tasty, juicy!

    "All the low-hanging fruit has already been picked," said one Democratic Senate aide.

    Oodles and oodles of imaginary money in a solid gold bank bedecked in diamond-encrusted festoons!

    "The rest are waiting to see who the winner is or are doing what's in their best interests. Most of the people that are remaining just don't want to pick the wrong side."

    Just wow. I wish someone had the nerve to break it to Sen Clinton, who, when faced with such hard evidence of her next impending historical humiliation, will set her cauldron to Boil while she roars off to yank another fluffy bunny out of the hutch. Oh wait ...

    Uncommitted superdelegates have many reasons for waiting to announce their support publicly, but chief among them is a desire to preserve their options should their favored candidate suddenly tank.

    Some of the uncommitted superdelegates are in tenuous electoral situations themselves, and they fear that they might lose a reelection fight if they miscalculate the presidential race.

    Still, these delegates follow the contest with the same enthusiasm of committed delegates, and they want to let their chosen campaigns know of their support. They will often place a courtesy call to the opposing campaign, a move that helps preserve a relationship while also ensuring that they won't be lobbied further.

    Big bunny sighs of relief!

    [ Parent ]

    Let me know when...... (1.00 / 2) (#33)
    by aequitas on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:01:18 PM EST
    Clinton's poll numbers suggest she might get 69% of the vote in all the remaining contests. Until then, the polls are irrelevant for her.  

    So the polls are irrelevant (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by themomcat on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:06:12 PM EST
    for Obama as well? Like his losing to McCain in the GE? What do you want a Democrat in the White house or another 4 years of McBush?

    [ Parent ]
    yep...irrelevant (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by white n az on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:11:19 PM EST
    as long as the super delegates don't consider issues of electability then I could see how it doesn't matter

    [ Parent ]
    great just effinf great (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:39:46 PM EST
    more Obama math talking points.  What's irrelevant is this bulls--t.

    [ Parent ]
    Can we all collectively please agree (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Marvin42 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:20:40 PM EST
    to never respond to this particular talking point ever again? Don't know about the rest of you, but man I am tired of replying to this one, even with cut and paste!

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, I agree. It's too tiresome now. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by RalphB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:28:58 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    the public can't help it (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:08:48 PM EST
    that the media concealed damaging info about Obama until most of the Primary was over. But Obama & Wright knew before he entered the race that Wright could be harmful to his campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    "Irrelevant"... (none / 0) (#92)
    by DWCG on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:14:17 PM EST
    Sort of like Florida and Michigan voters and delegates huh?

    [ Parent ]
    On SuperDees (none / 0) (#91)
    by arky on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:21:49 AM EST
    Any one of them can change their minds up til they cast their vote at the convention...nothing is writ in stone.
    just a reminder.

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