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Hoyer Trying Hard To Capitulate On FISA

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Legislation
Posted on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:43:12 PM EST
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mcjoan has the details:

So the question is, who's doing the tugging [on FISA capitulation] here, the frosh Blue Dogs or Hoyer? Obviously, the majority of the Blue Dog coalition can be controlled by leadership. They were back in March when only five of them defected on supporting the much better, telco amnesty-free House bill.

So why in the hell does this puny group of freshman concern trolls have a say in this at all? Why is Hoyer bending over backwards to find a "compromise" that will appease them?

Hoyer is doing what Hoyer wants to do. Do not kid yourself into thinking the Blue Dogs are forcing him to do anything.

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    Hoyer Trying Hard To Capitulate On FISA | 24 comments (24 topical)

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    Think Pelosi will stop him? (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:48:13 PM EST
    Me neither.

    Another Post On It (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by BDB on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:48:48 PM EST
    Can be found at Corrente.  It appears Hoyer's partner in crime is Jay Rockefeller.  Shocking I know.

    Democrats capitulating (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by diplomatic on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:59:06 PM EST
    If it happens enough, it might become a stereotype.  Oh wait.

    The Dems are in on it guys.... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:20:02 PM EST
    The have to walk the tight-rope between appearing to stand for civil liberties for their more liberty loving constituents, all the while expanding government power and taking care of the telecoms.  Say they gave it the old college try and keep their rubes for voting for them.  Votes on a thin line...

    It's easier for Repubs...they just have to say "war on terror" and their rubes are ready for the "Two Minutes Hate".  Votes on lock...

    Pelosi, Emanuel, Hoyer (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Prabhata on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:35:42 PM EST
    Moe, Larry and Curly.

    Don't forget Shemp (none / 0) (#19)
    by shoephone on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:58:34 PM EST
    (Clyburn.)

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    If the Dems roll on this issue (none / 0) (#3)
    by cawaltz on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:51:07 PM EST
    I'm going to be royally pissed and I'm going to make ure that I am not the only one that knows it.

    We're well aquainted with Rocky's telecom $$$ (none / 0) (#4)
    by shoephone on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:55:34 PM EST
    According to Open Secrets, AT&T has been among Hoyer's top 20 campaign contributors in

    2006

    and 2008

    At this point in the campaign season he has already raised more $ in overall contributions than for all his previous campaigns.

    It's time to primary this clown, and (none / 0) (#6)
    by scribe on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:13:37 PM EST
    in the meantime, get another majority leader.

    Democrats do not need a Republican as their majority leader.

    Methinks (none / 0) (#7)
    by kenoshaMarge on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:16:24 PM EST
    the Republicans aren't the only ones that have something to hide about this whole thing. Otherwise why are the Democrats bringing it back again? Something stinks to high heaven. And if Jay Rockefeller is involved I know where the stench is coming from.

    And Pelosi comes out against the Gas Tax break (none / 0) (#9)
    by Salt on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:28:22 PM EST
    she says because people would then just drive more and blow the savings, lol............ahhhh out of touch San Fran Liberal sure but why prove it.  I just filled the kids tank up 60.00 for him a lot, to go back and forth to work.  Just like Michael Moore last night could they just shut up please, these people live in some alternative world. Sorry Nancy he cant yet afford a hybrid and we don't have a Path.

    Well Obama Is Against The Gas Tax Break (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:30:23 PM EST
    so naturally Pelosi is against it.

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    Cite? (none / 0) (#12)
    by sweetthings on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:34:56 PM EST
    I'm listening to Pelosi right here and she's not saying anything like that.

    She comes out against the gas tax holiday, (as anyone who understand economics would) but she doesn't say that people will fritter away the savings, just that it's a bad idea that won't solve anything, and that there are better approaches out there. (renewable energy, manipulation of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, etc....)

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    The Trail (none / 0) (#15)
    by Salt on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:38:23 PM EST
    Pelosi Comes Out Against Proposed Gas Tax Holiday
    By Jonathan Weisman
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) lent her name to the growing chorus of Democrats opposed to a gasoline tax holiday proposed by Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and John McCain.

    Pelosi said this afternoon that Congress will not consider a suspension of the 18-cent federal gas tax this summer.

    "There is no reason to believe any moratorium on the gas tax will be passed on to consumers. That's first and foremost," she said. "Second, it will defeat everything we've tried to do to lower the cost of oil," noting that Democrats have been trying to shift the nation to alternative fuel sources, not promote gasoline consumption


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    I'd like to shift to alternate fuel sources too. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:42:19 PM EST
    I hope I live to see it.

    That's not going to help me or anyone else right now.  Maybe Congress should have tried harder to get the notes from Cheney's energy meeting in 2001.

    There are no words...

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    Yeah, that seems to the same interview. (none / 0) (#16)
    by sweetthings on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:41:41 PM EST
    Huffpost has the video, if you want to watch it.

    Pelosi isn't saying that people be irresponsible and blow the savings. She's saying that people will never see the savings, because the price of gasoline will adjust upwards within days of removing the tax. This isn't exactly a fringe view: Every economist out there, even Krugman, will back Pelosi on that.

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    Did you see the profits (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by pie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:44:48 PM EST
    announced by Exxon Mobil this morning?

    HOUSTON - Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded oil company, said Thursday record crude prices helped its first-quarter profit climb 17 percent to $10.9 billion -- the second biggest U.S. quarterly corporate profit ever.


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    Obama spoke to a group of elderly today (none / 0) (#22)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:17:25 PM EST
    and one woman questioned his opposition to the gas tax holiday.
    (Paraphrased) - we know it's a shortterm solution, but we're shortterm.
    I almost cried.


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    BTD The Link To McJoan's Post Doesn't Work n/t (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:28:35 PM EST


    Terminology: WIRETAP ACT Amnesty in the FISA Bill (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ben Masel on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:35:03 PM EST
    Both technically more accurate, and easier to understand.

    Wiretap Act     provides for $100 per intercept, up 10,000 Statutory Damages @2511 per plaintiff, plus Atty's fees.

    There's an exemption under the Wiretap Act for intercepts authorized either by the FISA process, or through normal Court warrants.

    Maryland Machiavelli (none / 0) (#20)
    by wurman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:05:26 PM EST
    David Sirota (link)pegged Hoyer 2 years ago.
    Hoyer is waging a not-so-secret, but oh-so-self-serving campaign to topple House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D) and assume the top job in the Democratic Caucus - a job he has coveted since Pelosi beat him out for whip a few years back. And he's waging his campaign even though it is destroying his own party.

    Anything to undercut the processes, appear to be a bridge-builder across the aisle to republikonz, & a super effort at kow-towing to the large, bureaucratic agencies will suit Steny.

    David Sirota (none / 0) (#23)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:46:42 PM EST
    was against Obama before he was for him and then pretended that the things he said about Obama didn't exist -- even deleted them from KOS to hide his past opinions, but we have the WayBackMachine.

    David Sirota is less than credible IMHO.  Maybe Hoyer is an utter scum, but Sirota is not a good source for that information.

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    OK (none / 0) (#24)
    by wurman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:41:11 PM EST
    I'm neither a reader of Sirota nor a "believer" of his information.  It just seemed notable to me that even 2 years ago, the Steny Hoyer style of getting along & going along with GOoPerz & the Blue Dogs was apparent.

    Sirota's deductions may turn out to be wrong (I don't know), however his comments about Hoyer's actions seem to be accurate, predictable, & now replicated on some very important legislation.

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    it's very deceptive for Obama to claim (none / 0) (#21)
    by Josey on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:12:04 PM EST
    that he can cross the aisle and "bring everybody together" -
    and the "yes we can" crowd believes him!
    But he can't even bring his endorser Rockefeller "together" on FISA.
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