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Wright Not Put to Bed Yet for Obama

The first view of Barack Obama's handling of the Jeremiah Wright issue was rosy....he had survived.

Not so quick, reports the Wall. St. Journal:

It has not been defused," says David Parker, a North Carolina Democratic Party official and unpledged superdelegate. He says his worries about Republicans questioning Sen. Obama's patriotism prompted him to raise the issue of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.'s remarks in conversations with both the Obama and Clinton campaigns.

I'm concerned about seeing Willie Horton ads during the general election," Mr. Parker says, referring to campaign ads that Republicans widely credited for helping defeat Michael Dukakis in 1988. Mr. Parker said the Wright controversy didn't hurt his opinion of Mr. Obama.

More...

Which Democratic voters do Wright make nervous?

Among older, white voters, with whom Sen. Obama has struggled, the Wright controversy could make his climb steeper. Al Neyman, a 76-year-old from Indianapolis, said that he had been on the fence between the two Democrats until learning about Sen. Obama's pastor. "To me, he's un-American sitting in that church hearing those kinds of things and not leaving," he says.

Then there's the voters hooked on the electability argument:

Even for Democrats turned off by the episode, their desire to win may trump all else. Carol Wunsch, 61 of New Albany, Ind., had hoped for a Clinton-Obama ticket until she learned of the Wright relationship, which she says, "scares me to death." But if he's the Democratic nominee, she sighs, "I would vote for him, I guess. But I still don't like him."

Update: Comments at 200, thread now closed.

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    Kos: Obama's handling of Wright was Just Right (5.00 / 10) (#1)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:11:14 AM EST
    I guess WSJ didn't get Markos' memo.

    In the Newsweek opinion column linked above, Kos claims that he and the (not fully counted) superdelegates were all wowed by Obama's able handling of the Wright controversy.

    This impressive feat is enough to make Kos mentally, and firmly, place these superdelegates in Obama's Win column.

    [W]ith nary a serious general-election battle against a Republican on his résumé, he needed to prove his mettle in hand-to-hand political combat. His able handling of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright revelations didn't just prove his deft political skills to worried supporters like me and superdelegates. It allowed him to address a potentially explosive issue well before November (though it's a relationship the GOP is sure to exploit).

    No matter how you define victory, Barack Obama holds an insurmountable lead in the race to earn the Democratic nomination. [...]

    One has to wonder if Obama has already won, why he hasn't, you know, WON-won. Funny story, true story ... it turns out Obama actually hasn't actually won yet.

    Apparently there's mischief afoot to "steal" these superdelegates that Kos has officially decreed as belonging to Obama!

    Still, Obama's advantages aren't large enough to allow him an outright victory. He needs the 20 percent of party delegates who aren't bound to a candidate. It's with these superdelegates that Clinton has staked her ephemeral chances.

    Clinton's near-lone chance of victory rests with a coup by superdelegate, persuading enough of them to overcome the primary voters' preference. Yet a coup by elite Democrats would be ill-received, to put it mildly. Obama's base spans the party's most loyal and engaged constituencies: African-Americans, professionals who generate hundreds of millions in small-dollar donations and a conventional-wisdom-defying outpouring of youth support.

    So if these superdelegates that "belong" to Obama actually do vote for Obama -- outside of Kos's head, that is -- it's democracy allied to the power of charisma in action.

    But if those same superdelegates vote for Sen. Clinton even after a force so powerful as a Kos opinion column virtually guarantee them as insurmountably Obama's, it'sbecause she fiendishly persuaded them.

    This is apparently deeply unfair as compared to whatever it is that Obama did, clean and honest, in front of God and everything.

    It's a coup. Okay, just trying to keep this damn scorecard tidy and legible.

    More Obama fanfic here:
    A Silver Lining In the Blue Battle
    By Markos Moulitsas | NEWSWEEK
    Apr 14, 2008 Issue

    Obama will tell you. (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Marguerite Quantaine on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:26:13 AM EST
    He's good at poker. Even great.

    But he should have learned chess. There are no trups -- only checkmate.

    So, I agree, totally, with Jeralyn.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama will tell you... (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by workingclass artist on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:03:17 AM EST
    I agree but then chess takes a longer attention span. McCain has admitted Condi is on the short list for VP. Finally some SD's are actually remembering that 2/3 of the base ( those pesky lunchbuckets ) are bothered by Wright ? I wasn't impressed by Obamessiah's handling of the issue, but then again he can't very well throw the Good Rev. or the whole church under the bus... They got him where he is and it's getting crowded underneath ha careening bus...

    [ Parent ]
    First Rule of Poker (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Virginian on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:58:13 AM EST
    Anyone who tells you they are good at poker, isn't good at poker...

    [ Parent ]
    First rule of poker: (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:52:52 AM EST
    Never talk about poker.

    Wait, that was Fight Club, wasn't it?

    ;)

    [ Parent ]

    The Mask of Obama, 2 (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Marguerite Quantaine on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:59:15 AM EST
    There was a fascinating read in The New Yorker earlier this year focused on the Mayor of Newark -- a man insiders originally courted to be the first African-American candidate for president.

    When he turned down the offer, Obama stepped in. Part of the article spoke of Obama's prowess for poker. How Obama became popular quickly in Illinois politics by arranging poker parties, and how it was his poker face that earned him pro status at the game.

    [ Parent ]

    poker faces are overrated (none / 0) (#157)
    by Virginian on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:48:19 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    A person with a good poker face (none / 0) (#163)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:02:53 PM EST
    is a good liar too. Funny how no one else sees that. Oh, wait.. I forgot..Obama doesn't lie..except about his record, Hillary, and his church attendance. Oh well, as long as he plays poker well, that is what counts. Of course, being President is more like playing world-class chess, but hey, he is a quick study, right?

    [ Parent ]
    You mean Cory Booker? (none / 0) (#176)
    by facta non verba on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:24:38 PM EST
    Really? Huh. I went to college with Cory but I thought his tenure as mayor of Newark has been rocky. Plus Cory is way too young still. Inexperienced as bright as he is.

    [ Parent ]
    Compared to bowling, maybe? (none / 0) (#175)
    by cymro on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:24:20 PM EST
    It's all relative, I guess!

    [ Parent ]
    Riiiiight (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by goldberry on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:25:35 AM EST
    He's better than sliced bread.  He's got more money than God.  He makes the sun to shine and little children happy to gamble in the meadows with the lambs.  All is right with the world when he deigns to cast his gaze upon our unworthy existences.  Everything he does is better than we think it is.
    And we all just select him NOW, he will be insurmountable and it will be too late for Hillary to do anything about it.    


    [ Parent ]
    On the flip side of their arguement (5.00 / 5) (#37)
    by Virginian on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:02:30 AM EST
    If Obama actually has to earn this nomination it will be better for Obama and the party...so far he has never had to win a true "contest" so if he does, he'll come out stronger. And if he does, it will legitimize him as the nominee, which he can use to united the party...He needs to earn it...

    Kos and others are terrified that if it comes down to the "judges" Obama won't have enough substance to hold up to scrutiny...which is probably true...but if that is their underlying fear (which I think they make clear that it is) then they are advocating the poorer candidate.

    [ Parent ]

    Dems uphill regardless... (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by tsteels2 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:41:02 AM EST
    I think both Obama and Clinton respective minority status will be used against them.  The flat out truth is that if we went through the House and Senate looking for questionable associations, we would be throwing people out left and right.  But this is a GE where the magnifying glass is big as Mars and as powerful as the Sun.

    As a Green Party guy that supports Senator Obama run because of its historic ramifications (I'm black), I wish Obama would back off and become Clinton's running mate.  Because I feel that the Right's attacks on questioning Obama's patriotism will ultimately question black people as a whole.  Obama's greatest friend against the Right would be Clinton.  She's not going to let her "VP" get blasted.  It's not her way.


    [ Parent ]

    I fear that he could go down in (none / 0) (#118)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:32:36 AM EST
    flames and all of the signs were there but the "rescue us please" Democrats are not looking. In a Clinton/Obama ticket he would not be the main focus and between the two of them they could take many of the states that are purple and win.  The 4 or 8 years that Clinton runs the country would be good for him as he would get all of the necessary Washington experience, be a known commodity and ONLY be 52.  Just the right age for a president.

    [ Parent ]
    I fear that many in the party establishment (none / 0) (#167)
    by esmense on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:09:27 PM EST
    who pushed him to run -- the elderly bulls of the NE liberal establishment and the milquetoast midwestern moderates -- don't care as much about winning or losing in November as they care about NOT having a woman at the top of the ticket. They are embarrassed at being labeled "the mommy party" and fear that a woman nominee cements that image.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm afraid (none / 0) (#192)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:57:34 PM EST
    the democratic Senate is afraid of a dem prez. Then they would actually have to DO something.

    The Senate, overall, has been such a HUGE disappointment.

    [ Parent ]

    No, I belive he could pull her down (none / 0) (#187)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:49:20 PM EST
    she has enough to carry without adding Obama Wright, Rezko  and the Mrs. Obama baggage it gives the Right everything they need for attack.  Senator Clinton needs someone who can bring a State with them.  Im thinking Rendell or Strickland more manly Dem types seems for some reason this appears to be a requirement for some fringe sects within the Party certainly Progressives and I would name them now and not wait.   Add Obama's resume, his Associates and the questionable undemocratic nature of how the DNC Party has conducted its business of the Primary and you have spooked Independents not interested in 4 or 8 more years of governance by any fringe political sect, no matter the Party name.
    So slippage in support is greater than the current thinking in my view and divided governance is looking like a must with Pelosi out intimidating for the more extreme candidate and the money strange excesses along with the current failure of the Dem lead Congress.


    [ Parent ]
    Progressives= fringe sect (none / 0) (#193)
    by indy33 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:02:37 PM EST
    Wow. This seems like a strange place to call progressives a fringe sect! Some people here say Obama is not progressive enough. How about the election of Donna Edwards over Al Wynn. Progressive blogs helped get Edwards elected over a supposed "manly man". This post is insulting and a joke! If it wasnt for progressives in this party that opposed the Iraq war, stand up for civil liberties and economic equality there wouldnt be a Democratic party. I know that "progress" scares some people but calling us a fringe sect is why most Dems like you are a dying breed. Out of touch!

    [ Parent ]
    I supported Wes Clark in '04 (none / 0) (#208)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:32:17 PM EST
    and think if it is not Obama as VP Wes would bring the new liberal military establishment with him.  There are something like 30 retired high ranking officers supporting Hillary and it is an impressive bunch. General Paul Easton is one of them.  This would counterpunch John McCain on his military credentials.

    [ Parent ]
    Did you check out Daily Kos this weekend (none / 0) (#123)
    by dianem on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:38:45 AM EST
    I dropped in, briefly, but I had to leave because of my blood pressure. There was a very long front page diary compaing Obama to Martin Luther King. With quotes. I would like to convey how I felt when I read (about half) of it, but I can't find the right words.

    [ Parent ]
    The only way you can compare the two (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:15:53 PM EST
    is to point out what Martin Luther King DID, and then contrast what Obama DIDN'T. Dr. King marched for miles, often through a gauntlet of angry white people throwing stuff and attacking him and the marchers. He went to jail for his work, and he persisted even through death threats, physical attacks, because he believed in what he was doing.

    Obama has NO record of civil rights work. Obama couldn't even bother to walk a mile from his house to see how his constituents were being treated in the housing put up by his friend, Tony Rezko. He didn't care enough to walk that far. He has avoided it probably because it would categorize him, in his mind, as a "black politician" who is concerned about black issues. Never occurs to people that civil rights are citizen issues, not black issues. Obama has avoided being involved in civil rights work, but is oh so happy to co-opt the Rev. King's work to his advantage. In my book, that is cheating, just like putting your name on bills you had nothing to do with is cheating.

    Of course, none of those viewpoints will ever be seen on DKos. That would be sacrilege. Can't point out the clay feet of the new Messiah, it's un-American...or something.

    [ Parent ]

    Nope did not read Coulter or Rush either (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:51:33 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Markos has about as much credibility now (none / 0) (#152)
    by doyenne49 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:40:42 AM EST
    as Blll Kristol. They are both shills.

    [ Parent ]
    I concur. Totally. (5.00 / 12) (#2)
    by Marguerite Quantaine on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:19:11 AM EST
    As an elephant in the room for way too long, I had the audacity to campaign for Mayor on a Republican ticket once, giving me privy to the Republican handbook for winning elective office.

    Now there's a scary read.

    What I learned was is to get the hell out of the Republican Party.

    The reality is, I'd be foolish to think the Democrats didn't have a play book of their own.

    Nevertheless, this I think is for certain: Jeremiah Wright will be the elephant in the Democrats room.

    But so will Obama's speech on race which, heretofore, has been praised as brilliant.

    Republicans will find a way to make it not so.

    Because Obama said, in effect -- and Republicans will capitalize on this for certain -- black Americans wear a "mask" when mixing with whites, and remove that mask when in their barbershops, church pews, and among their own.

    This is the weak spot in Obama's speech that will prove devastating if Obama is the nominee.

    THE MASK OF OBAMA will be the Republican battle cry, with "he says one thing to win your vote, but...." as their tag line, and "God damn America" mixed in.

    Even if John McCain doesn't use it, some independent strongarmer will.

    Obama's loyalty to Wright will be marketed as proof that he'll put his loyalty to "extremists" before he'll put the good of his own country and campaign.

    And then there's Rezko.They won't let sleeping dogs lie. Especially when the sleeping dogs are lying. This is a ticking bomb waiting to explode at just the right moment.

    To Republicans? Obama is toast.

    Wishful thinkers confuse Dormant with Put to Bed (5.00 / 14) (#5)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 05:52:46 AM EST
    I agree with your assessment that these issues, perceived as "handled" by Obama's wishful supporters, aren't over but ticking to go off more spectacularly down the road.

    They mistakenly perceive HRC as the enemy and gloss over how the Obama campaign's weaponry they used to thward his Dem rival will only weaken him in the upcoming battle against Repugs in the GE.

    I watched Obama's speech in Montana over the weekend. The standing ovation was 6-9 people of those held in the frame. The crowd was dozy while he spoke against the current admin policies in place but a squeal of approval went up when Obama took a shot at HRC.

    That tells me that his current support might not survive his winning the spot on the Dem prez. ticket.

    The other tactical error from Team Obama is in counting prO'bama support in the primaries as Dem enthusiasm where it could just as easily been Repub "support" that shouldn't be relied upon in November.

    In this case, the "divisiveness" and "negatives" attributed passively to HRC that Team Obama hammered to discount and discredit her mere presence in the race, and hold him up as the candidate of destiny, will either vanish mysteriously or be turned back on him.

    Since I'm in that neighborhood, TeamO's persistent refrain vilifying me as racist despite my sterling record aa a voter, Dem supporter and activist because I'm a white, female and until recently, equally supportive of Sens Clinton and Obama was not a good move by TeamO.

    I keep hearing from Predictors and Discussers how my vote and support will automatically go Obama's way because that's the only choice left to me.

    Er, no.

    It's the equivalent of being spoken of in the third person while I'm in the room and for some odd reason, it's always a bunch of men deciding what they'll do with my proxy.

    [ Parent ]

    Wishful thinkers... (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by workingclass artist on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 06:20:06 AM EST
    on page 135.a subcategory II . of that RNC playbook you describe is probably a standard formula developed and tested sometime in th 1970's... The application of said formula to this case would be Wright + Black Panthers + Rezko + TEDDY KENNEDY ( a constant ) + JESSE JACKSON ( another constant ) +
    ( insert past statements that even appear to be left leaning on any issue, or since Clinton's famous I didn't inhale comment from 92' insert college age behavior about drinking or drug experimentation ) + anything a spouse might say or do = SCARY
    LEFT LEANING ALMOST COMMUNIST LIBERAL RADICAL. All they have to do is repeat his political associations Weathermen? and just repeat the mantra Radical... Radical...Radical....

    [ Parent ]
    Personally.... (none / 0) (#125)
    by kdog on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:39:21 AM EST
    I've been waiting all my life for a candidate who experimented with drugs and refuses to apologize.

    All my life for a candidate who associates with former Weathermen, former Black Panthers, and former Nixon supporters too for that matter....a candidate that will hear anyone out and learn from anyone.

    All my life for a candidate who will look down the barrel of the politics of hate and distraction and say "no mas, we've got work to do".

    I guess I'll be waiting a long, long time...


    [ Parent ]

    Identity Politics (none / 0) (#19)
    by Harley on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:33:18 AM EST
    Not all that helpful, I'd suggest.  Particularly when it involves offering support, passively or otherwise, to the "repugs" in the Fall.

    Er, why?

    [ Parent ]

    yes, I think theres far more votes for him to lose (none / 0) (#86)
    by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:38:58 AM EST
    amongst us the Democratic base than among bigoted Republicans and Independants.

    While he is my second choice, I do NOT want to lose in the GE.

    [ Parent ]

    "The Mask of Obama" (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:24:31 AM EST
    wow. You are good. And right.

    IMO, of course.


    [ Parent ]

    I have a line for the to use "He'll say (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:50:14 AM EST
    anything to win".


    [ Parent ]
    I'm not sure its Wright as much as anti American (none / 0) (#191)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:55:32 PM EST
    extermeist narritive they have begun to weave the Wright stuff is gravy.

    [ Parent ]
    harley, what drugs (5.00 / 8) (#10)
    by cpinva on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:15:42 AM EST
    are you on, and where can i get some? and i ask that in the nicest possible way.

    markos is proving himself to not be the brightest bulb in the box daily.

    anyone who truly thinks that all this is going to "go away" in nov. has just got to be on some really powerful hallucinagens. not only are all these issues not leaving (should sen. obama be the eventual dem. nominee), they'll be back with a blast. can you say "527" boys & girls? i knew that you could!

    by the time the republican/right-wingnut smear machine gets done with sen. obama, his grandmother (remember her, the one he tossed under a bus in that "brilliant" race speech?) won't vote for him. he'll be lucky to not get arrested for treason.

    i just can't believe anyone with even a half functioning brain would seriously entertain these thoughts.


    The grandmother slams are the worst, (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:00:30 AM EST
    in terms of public perception, IMO.
    That was really vile.

    [ Parent ]
    anyone who uses the word "typical" (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by esmense on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:20:20 PM EST
    when applying negative characterizations to  members of a huge and diverse group -- in the context of discussing prejudice no less -- is unlikely to have had much experience dealing with the painful consequences of prejudice and, in fact, is likely to have quite a few unexamined prejudices of his own.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama will likely (none / 0) (#198)
    by MKS on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:11:41 PM EST
    be on the ticket as the nominee for President or Vice President, and you have just slammed him as "vile."

    That's really helpful.  Obama is up by 10 over Hillary in the latest Rasmussen poll (which has benn Hillary's best poll), and the ARG poll out today shows Obama tied with Hillary in Penn.   Wright has not hurt him there.

    And Rasmussen shows Obama polling better against McCain than Hillary, and only one point behind.

    Hillary has tried to use Wright against Obama, while Obama has not used Tuzla agaisnt Hillary.....

    It is comments such this, calling Obama vile, that lead to others, including Superdelegates to become very uneasy with a prolonged compaign.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, that;s it, MarkL (5.00 / 1) (#210)
    by tree on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:40:59 PM EST
    You have been officially designated the scapegoat for any future Obama loss. If only you did call his statement "vile", the Unity Pony could have been ours!

     A list will be forwarded to you shortly outlining the approved adjectives you will henceforth be allowed to use to describe any speech or action of Obama. All words that you might be tempted to use but are not on the approved list should be directed at Hillary Clinton.

    After having watched the collection of really VILE comments made by broadcaster against Clinton,I think its the height of absurdity to complain about a poster here who was upset about Obama dissing his grandmother. If Obama can't survive a  negative comment on a small blog(no offense Jeralyn) then he'll never survive the general.

    I really don't think we have to become the Glorious Cultural Revolution here. Personally, I'm not playing that game. I will continue to criticize what I think is worthy of criticism, and will continue t push for what I believe are the important issues. I'm not going to just lay back and enjoy it, thank you very much.

    [ Parent ]

    harley is one of those chatterers (5.00 / 5) (#128)
    by TheRefugee on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:46:25 AM EST
    Jeralyn was talking about...suffers from over-commentitis...can't make one persuasive argument so instead offers many less than persuasive arguments.

    Both Harley and Deadalus wowed me all day yesterday.  Their condescension towards us dumb non-Obama supporters is obvious and ticks me off.  

    I left dKos because I could cite references, offer links and STILL get shouted down as a Hillary-hack...

    Now they come here, speak parentally with soft platitudes, and expect to be taken seriously when they reference a dKos diary or a Kos quote as proof of their righteousness.  I love when they say, "I'm not going to bother digging up a link..."...er, 'take my word for it'.  

    Well, that is what my problem with Obama and his supporters has always been.  No proof, no facts, no nothing...just a lot of "trust me".

    They all know poll numbers, they all THINK they understand the primary process and the role of the SD's.  Other than that they have little relevant firepower with which to argue.  Thus Kos is groovy, KO is the bomb, and Obama is the light that shines down upon us dim folk and brightens our sad pathetic lives.

    I especially liked MB stopping by to defend his one-sided opinion piece.  More chatter to fill my Low Information mind with the truth according to dKos.

    Memo:  I don't need Obama supporters telling me what to think.  I left Obamaland precisely for the fact that I don't want to be treated with derisive condescension by people I don't agree with and don't respect.  Were I to feel a masochistic need to visit such insufferable misinformation upon myself I would return to dKos and say "may I have another."  Strangely I have no such compunction.

    But if Harley does have hallucinogens...Harley could be a friend...course trippin to Widespread isn't the same as trippin to the Dead...not that I have done that sort of thing.  

    [ Parent ]

    I left DKos for the same reason (none / 0) (#174)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:21:17 PM EST
    it was just too rude and one-sided. I did go back for one day, though, had lost my TU status while away, but I got it back in one day defending Hillary. I thought that was funny.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks for the Ad Hom! (none / 0) (#15)
    by Harley on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:24:09 AM EST
    I look forwared to the deletion of your unsportsmanlike comment.  Heh.

    Look.  I know this is a problem for the Obama campaign.  It was successfully dealt with in March.  I suspect it will be handled with similar success in the fall.

    I'm basing this opinion on available data.  I've pointed out elsewhere how thinly sourced the WSJ article is.  

    I understand you want this to be true.  But wishing doesn't make it so.

    Mushrooms were always my hallucinogen of choice.  Thanks for asking.

    And last, when it comes to 527s, it's basically pick your poison.  I'm sure they have a nice Tuzla video ready to roll.  In other words, the smears are going to come no matter which candidate runs in the general.

    [ Parent ]

    Tuzla (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:39:47 AM EST
    I really don't get the brouhaha. I'm sure the GOP would like to make hay, as the Obama crowd does, but it is just small potatoes.

    AFAIC, The fake Kennedy and Selma narrative of BHO amounts to the same thing. Two pols trying to embellish their resumes. I'm shocked, I tell you! Simply shocked!

    [ Parent ]

    Tulza easy to counter (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:32:02 AM EST
    With McCain's little sojourn to a "perfectly safe" market in Baghdad - which was protected by snipers and helicopters while he was there.

    Does McCain have a similar weakness that would counter Wright?  

    [ Parent ]

    Yes and No (none / 0) (#30)
    by Harley on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:48:49 AM EST
    The problem is greatest when a scandal seems to confirm already existing negatives.  The Wright scandal was damaging, but it seems a stretch to suggest a significant number of people believe Obama shares his views.  There's no confirmation.  However, fair or unfair, Senator Clinton has a problem with 'truthiness' that goes all the way back to an infamous William Safire op-ed in the NY Times.  I'm not agreeing with it, btw, just pointing out that Tuzla tends to confirm the latter.  That's why it had the impact it did.

    YMMV.  The only question that matters is whether or not the Wright scandal makes Obama a less effective candidate than Senator Clinton in a general election.  I do not believe that it does.

    [ Parent ]

    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:34:19 AM EST
    You don't think the idea that Obama is not "patriotic" hasn't been floating around for awhile?  Heck that picture with him not putting his hand over his heart for the national anthem was circulating on the net last august.  And there's Michelle's comments ... pretty sure the Wright stuff just played into an already in place narrative.  Snopes.com has been debunking some of these emails for awhile.  Good for them, but it doesn't mean that people don't believe them or haven't been getting them.  They have.

    [ Parent ]
    I think Michelle's (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by waldenpond on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:58:02 AM EST
    comments are a 527 all on their own. She seems easy to portray as disliking America.  It would be a negative ad to have her statements match up to anything Wright has said.  Still, she's got her own statements out there... finally proud, America is downright mean, American's are cynics, sloths, and complacents, a land of ignorance. I have watched her on C-span, even with the volume off and her body language is negative, she's scowling and pointing her finger.  

    [ Parent ]
    Senior Thesis (none / 0) (#146)
    by cmugirl on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:27:29 AM EST
    And (not that I think it's fair, since she's not running and it was written 20 years ago), but they will use her senior thesis, which concluded that attending Princeton as an undergraduate decreased the extent to which black alumni identified with the black community as a whole. She wrote in the introduction:

    "My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'Blackness' than ever before," she wrote in her introduction. "I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong."

    Watch the R 527's use this, plus her "proud" statements, as well as her comment that black voters would come home to Barack.

    [ Parent ]

    That's An Assumption Based On...? (none / 0) (#53)
    by Harley on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:52:32 AM EST
    Again, I've yet to see any polling data that supports this.  Doesn't mean the Wright Issue isn't something that will have to be dealt with.  The email stuff is no more dispositive than the old crap about Clinton being a drug dealer in Arkansas.  It's wildly beside the point, and appeals to a self-selected audience who won't be voting for Obama (or Clinton) anyway.

    [ Parent ]
    Based on what you wrote (5.00 / 7) (#72)
    by ColumbiaDuck on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:19:20 AM EST
    Here is what you wrote:

    The problem is greatest when a scandal seems to confirm already existing negatives.  

    I would argue that's exactly what the Wright scandal does.  The fact that polling hasn't confirmed this means little at this point.  Soon enough (after his is the official nom) the GOP will build a narrative through ads and columns and whispers.  The Wright stuff would be an outlier if it wasn't for those other things I mentioned - the seeds of which have been around for months.  

    Remember, it wasn't that Al Gore "invented the internet" (which he never said, but whatever) that caused problems; it was that you put that together with other bogus lies and suddenly you have a character issue.

    Now, the problem for Obama is that the Wright stuff is real.  He really did sit there, Wright really was a mentor, etc.  Then you put that with bogus flag pin stuff, bogus national anthem stuff, etc, what do you have?  A confirmation of already existing negatives.  

    and keep in mind, too, that most Americans had never heard of Obama until last year.  Their views of him are soft and still subject to change with new info....  The "old crap" about Clinton is exactly that - old.  She's been accused of everything up to and including murder over the last 16 years.  Yet she still has tremendous support.  Obama was "subjected" to glowing press and he's basically tied with her.  What do you think will happen  when he's contrasted against St. McCain?

    [ Parent ]

    Have there been any polls asking about... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:18:00 AM EST
    ...Obama's patriotism because I suspect that many white people will feel more comfortable rating him negatively on that than on a civil rights speech. Apart from the granny comment, what was there to not like about that speech? I don't think you'll get a poll that looks at this too honestly IMHO. But what you should be looking at is how Obama runs against McCain. That's where you will see if the patriotism stuff is having an effect or not.

    [ Parent ]
    The Speech (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:38:41 AM EST
    All the speech do is bring the faithful back in.  Others who do not buy the Obama shtick were not convinced.   I would like to see people answer the following question:  One memorable idea from the speech.  Uhh, everyone is a pissed off racist.  Wow, that is uplifting.  

    [ Parent ]
    do=did...huh (none / 0) (#124)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:39:08 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    The narrative is there already (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by wasabi on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    I learned that when I was phone banking for Clinton in the Tx primary.  I was talking to Democrats only.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, Forgot the Obvious (2.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Harley on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:53:53 AM EST
    Bear in mind, this whole controversy is about something someone else said.  If Obama had given that sermon?  Game over.  But he didn't, and that's a significant factor in this.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, no, it's about what OBAMA said (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:05:27 AM EST
    and did. He stayed in this man's church and listened to that hate speech for 20 years, and now he says he had no idea... BS!

    [ Parent ]
    He doesn't say he had no idea (2.00 / 1) (#105)
    by independent voter on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:13:09 AM EST
    He says he did not hear the specific sound bites that run over and over again on cable news.
    This should be the GOP attempt at an argument, not yours.

    [ Parent ]
    So you are comfortable with Obama's (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:23:48 AM EST
    excruciating parsing???

    [ Parent ]
    The convoluted logic (5.00 / 3) (#119)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:32:44 AM EST
    The blogs and other Obama supporters went to great lengths to tell us about how Wright represents Black Liberation Theology and that is why what he says  is not hateful and or out of the norm.  How we were supposed to understand the context of what he said.  

    So, if the bits and pieces we saw are part of a theology or ideology that Obama signed up for when he joined the church, how does Obama get to pick the bits he does not like, since it's all part of a theology/philosophy.  If the ideology and theology is built upon such pieces, how can you trust it?  That will be and is the question.

    My issue with Obama is that he used the church to get elected in Chicago and get a legitimate footing in the Black community.  Now they are proving to be not very convenient.  Apparently, Obama according to the new playbook was a clean slate that the RNC could not attach the old stories, guess, what the slate not so clean and a bit more tarnished.  

    The RNC tactic against Obama will not only be he is un-patriotic, but un-American.  

    [ Parent ]

    Clearly we disagree on so many (none / 0) (#153)
    by independent voter on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:40:51 AM EST
    things. I do not see this as Obama picking the bits he doesn't like. I commend him for refusing to throw his pastor and his church under the bus in the name of politics. (I am quite sure you will not agree)

    I also believe that many people use their church connections to get things they want in the community, business, etc. Some of them probably do not realize they are doing this, and would not admit it if pointed out to them. After years spent listening to hypocricy from clergy and parishoners, that part doesn't bother me at all.

    [ Parent ]

    Frankly (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:21:00 PM EST
    I think he did throw them under the bus.  I believe he used the church.  But now they are not convenient.  When he diminishes him as a relic of the old fights, that is throwing him under the bus.  He bascially said: the preacher is irrelevant.  But, pray tell, if he was irrelevant, why did you go to the church and donate to the preacher other than for political purposes?  

    I did not take that speech as a defense, I took it as pandering to the white side.  

    [ Parent ]

    To what logical extreme will you take... (none / 0) (#161)
    by Exeter on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:00:55 PM EST
    ...Obama defending his pastor and his church? What would his pastor and church have to do for Obama to simply go to another church? If its not enough that his church gave a lifetime achievement award and continue to promote a man that runs an organization that the Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League define as a "hate group" what else can they do?

    [ Parent ]
    How can we take this seriously? (none / 0) (#179)
    by indy33 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:29:11 PM EST
    When you said that Obamas surge in Pennsylvania is due to the 40th anniversary of MLKs assassination. Are you going to say that on April 14th McCains going to get a huge bumb from the 143rd anniversary of Lincolns assassination. These kind of statements are meant to marginalize Obama as simply an African-American phenomenon that shouldnt be taken seriously. Ferraros comments are of the same ilk. Constantly bringing up Farrakhan after Obama has done everything he can to distance himself from him is the same. You say nice things about Clinton alot but I dont hold that against her. Its not her fault!

    [ Parent ]
    Positive Obama Media Coverage = (none / 0) (#188)
    by Exeter on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:49:26 PM EST
    slight surge in polls. It is a fact that he got a tremendous amount of positive press coverage around the anniversary of MLK, that is the point. Which, as you know, was part of a larger point that Obama and Clinton have lingered in the mid 40s for the last couple of months and traded places do to whomever got the best coverage in a three day period.

    To you larger point that I am somehow a racist for pointing out that are subsets of voters that are voting based on race and identity politics, is absurd.

    And to your other point that he has done everything he can possibly do distance himself from Farrakhan is absurd and simply not true. If Clinton's church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award and said he "epitomized greatness," continued to collaborate and promote Duke, and Clinton continued to be a member of that church, it would be destroy her campaign. Yet, Obama has a similar association with Farrakhan and bringing that up is somehow racist.

    I think it is your patronizing view of Farrakhan that is, in fact, racist.

    [ Parent ]

    Hypotheticals are not arguments (none / 0) (#200)
    by indy33 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:16:51 PM EST
    You are now comparing David Duke to a christian, African-American pastor who gave up his college deferment to serve in Vietnam. I dont agree with lots of what Rev. Wright said but to compare him to a former KKK member whose group has lynched and promoted segregation is a joke. I dont have a patronizing view of Farrakhan. He is wrong on most if not everything he does exp. his anti-semitism. But to blame Obama because Farrakhan said some kind words about an African-American is absurd. He has not sought out his endorsement and has spoke out against his views several times. Farrakhan has done some positive things and Wrights church acknowledged that. They have never said they support anti-semitism at all. I am not calling you a racist at all but by dismissing the fact that in every state Obama has campaigned in he has cut into Clintons considerable lead to start out and saying its only because of MLK is marginalizing his work and his supporters.

    [ Parent ]
    reading comprehension problem (none / 0) (#203)
    by tree on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:20:22 PM EST
    The comparison was of Farrakhan and David Duke. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan.

    [ Parent ]
    Guilt by association still (none / 0) (#209)
    by indy33 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:40:35 PM EST
    The point of the post was to compare Rev. Wright and Farrakhan to David Duke period. What happens in these situations is if you want to defend Obama then you somehow have to defend Farrakhan which is one of the oldest Republican tricks in the book. Im not in the business of defending hate speech from anyone and all those that do it, including Duke, Wright, and Farrakhan should be admonished and refuted. When Barack Obama says anything like these guys then I will not support him and will quickly refute him but he has not and will not because HE DOESNT BELIEVE IN THAT. My guess is that he went to church to hear about Christ, not politics. Sometimes you get both in church and that is not right at all but this is hardly exclusive to the black church or Rev. Wright  

    [ Parent ]
    There are only two offensive (none / 0) (#202)
    by MKS on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:19:53 PM EST
    sermons:  the G-D American and AIDS sermon, and the "chickens coming home to roost" sermon.

    Two sermons in twenty years.....

    As to the Black Liberation Theology, so what?  African Americans had few churches that would allow them to attend and few ways of expressing social self-defense against a racist society. Even Huckabee gets that....

    [ Parent ]

    Have you attended all the sermons (none / 0) (#205)
    by tree on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:23:22 PM EST
    there for 20 years? How do you know how many offensive sermons there were? Obama himself has said that he was in attendance when Wright said other "controversial" things. He just denies hearing the ones played on TV.

    [ Parent ]
    There are only two (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by MKS on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 01:29:32 PM EST
    that have generated the outrage in FOX circles....

    If there were more, I would expect they would have surfaced by now....FOX is so desperate that they are now talking about one line in a book written by someone else that Wright has referred to.  So Wright didn't write it, but this is to reflect badly on Wright and then by extension on Obama?

    To assume there is more than two is wrong.... There are only two so far...

    Dems need to stand up to smears not fan the flames....

    Obama will be on the ticket either as President or VP....Hillary and her supporters need to recognize that.

    [ Parent ]

    Standing in line in the supermarket (none / 0) (#127)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 10:43:48 AM EST
    has been an eye-opener. Obama featured on the covers with stories of "religion, infidelity, etc."  People actually buy and read that stuff.

    [ Parent ]
    William Safire? (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:41:07 AM EST
    Pffft.

    No one is denying HRC's negs, but Obama's are on an upward trajectory, too. I'm not going to take up space trying to point out some political realities to you because it would fall on deaf ears, I'm afraid. But it has to do with being an outspoken figure on the national scene for a number of years and the unscrupulous tactics of the GOP smear-machine, if you are curious.

    And I disagree with you vehemently on the diminution of the Wright issue. It well may not affect the dem nom, but in the GE it will be front and center. The GOP is salivating already.

    [ Parent ]

    527 as definers (5.00 / 6) (#139)
    by lookoverthere on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:12:51 AM EST
    Harley,

    I agree that saying so doesn't make it so. But just as with Sen. Obama's "handling" of his issues with Rev. Wright, just because you say he handled it brilliantly doesn't make it so.

    And just because the chattering class says so doesn't make it so. We won't know the effect until the day after the general election.

    I say this because I think Rev. Wright's sermons are going to be the heart of the Republican 527 attack against Sen. Obama should he be the nominee.

    (Before anyone jumps up to say Sen. Clinton has some crappy preachers in her camp as does Sen. McCain, neither of them have claimed a deep and abiding spiritual mentorship with them. Me? That Sen. Obama is so Jesus-y scares me more than Rev. Wright, though I hate the AIDS was invented to kill people of color crap and reject it as ignorant and irrational.)

    Because Sen. Obama still remains largely unknown to many regular folks, the 527 attacks will define him---easily---as unpatriotic, a flip-flopper, a coward, an effete, corrupt, a commie/pinko, sheesh there's a lot of big lies that can be created just from the stuff I can remember without having all my coffee yet.

    And then there all the things coming we don't know yet. Should he be the nominee, this guy is going to be eviscerated.

    I don't think he can withstand it. If you believe, as I do, that the primary process is about selecting (not electing) a nominee who can win, then Sen. Obama is not the guy.

    Sen. Clinton has a different set of problems with 527s. I agree---there's probably a Tuzla video already cut and ready. I thought I saw a mash on YouTube a while back that was, unfortunately, made by an Obama supporter. (I also saw a sample 527 using footage from the WTC on 9/11 and Rev. Wright's sermons that will be devastating to Democrats should Sen. Obama be the nominee. That mash was created by a Clinton supporter.)

    The 527 efforts against Sen. Clinton will be more difficult because what can they say to define her that we don't already know? Yawn.

    Her campaign sucked donkey ducks. But the last few weeks of her fighting has caused some to re-think what they thought they knew.She has already redefined herself. No, it's not immunization from 527 attacks, but it's a pretty good shield.

    I would also suggest, contrary to CW, that Sen. Obama's campaign has also sucked the aforementioned ducks. Alienating a core pillar of the electorate you need to win the White House by smearing them as racist and stupid is not a winning strategy.

    It is a strategy to beat somebody.

    You may believe that Sen. Obama's campaign did not set out to alienate voters from his opponent using the charge of racism. But I believe BTD posted and commented on Matt Yglesias's commentary stating the exact opposite: anti-Clinton Democrats used race and charges of racism to peel away the base of support Sen. Clinton had among African-American voters. It was intentional.

    It's a good strategy if your goal is to defeat Sen. Clinton. It is a bad strategy to win the White House.

    Then again, maybe the point isn't the White House, but to get larger majorities in the House and Senate. Locking in those majorities means some favored policies can be enacted, while giving political cover ("The White House fought us, boo hoo hoo!") to failed or nonexistent efforts.

    Just my opinion, of course.

    [ Parent ]

    historic to you (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by TheRefugee on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:13:12 AM EST
    and other Obama supporters...to me it was a laughably obvious speech of misdirection.  

    MLK spoke with fire and conviction about the problems facing America and DEMANDED solutions.  Obama outlined what we already know while offering no plan (which a Presidential hopeful might want to do...to show he is "on the case".) and demanding no solutions from a Congress to which he belongs nor an office to which he aspires.

    Maybe the race part of the speech isn't what you found historic.  Maybe it was the jabs at Ferraro and Clinton?  Or maybe it was his high-minded outing of his grandmother as being somewhat bigoted?  Maybe it was when he condemned the words of his preacher but not the man himself.  Maybe it was when he lumped blacks of Wright's generation as harboring a feeling that racism was endemic to whites?  Maybe it was when he threw Islam under the bus (like Bush lumping any Muslim who disagrees with US foreign policy as a radical) and gave carte blanche approval to Israel solely because they are a "reliable" ally?

    For me none of that is historic.  None of that is meaningful.  To me that whole speech was a self-serving deflection of responsibility made by an artist trying to pull off the ultimate con:  an ineffectual IL legislator to WH in four years.

    [ Parent ]

    Hard to deal with something when there (none / 0) (#182)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:31:36 PM EST
    are ads featuring Wright's worst spews running 24/7. And there will be. And don't forget the Rezko problem. How is he going to make that go away? All the GOP has to do is run ads showing the delapidated, boarded-up, heatless low income housing Rezko put up and say that this is what Obama thinks public housing should look like. Or ad after ad pointing out that the 27 bills in Ill. are a phony claim, and why. Then there is his wife and her "proud of my country for the first time" gaffe. Add that in to all the other crap that is available for throwing and he is a goner in the GE.

    Remember, this is the same machine, GOP, that had no problem smearing McCain when he was running in their primary. Imagine what they can do with Obama and all his short-comings. If you think he can "deal with it" by making a couple of pretty speeches, you are dreaming. By then, people will be parsing his speeches like they did Reagan's, and finding out that it is all fluff and filler. Not much meat. Except what the GOP smear machine finds on Obama, then it will be feast time, and not in a good way for us.

    But go ahead, dream on. That seems to be what Obama supporters are best at.

    [ Parent ]

    "Coup" is nice (5.00 / 8) (#12)
    by lambert on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:16:19 AM EST
    I like coup.

    As if disenfranchising MI and FL weren't a coup.

    Even if that is true (5.00 / 5) (#84)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:35:57 AM EST
    the VOTERS didn't do that.  And that's who we'll lose in November, not the Florida Democratic party "leaders", but the pesky VOTERS

    [ Parent ]
    'unsanctioned...' (none / 0) (#149)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:33:14 AM EST
    These primaries were saanctioned by the elected legislatures of Florida and Michigan.

    Two thirs of Florida's legislature and its governor are Republican.

    didn't a few other states, such as south Carolina, move up their primaries without consulting the DNC and get no penalties? I might be misremembering this...

    [ Parent ]

    HEY, THE FL LEGISLATURE IS REPUBLICAN!! (none / 0) (#183)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 12:33:57 PM EST
    Why would they do the Dems a favor by putting the date where the votes would count?? Oh, they wouldn't and they didn't. Big surprise.

    [ Parent ]
    I am constatnly amazed (5.00 / 15) (#13)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:21:37 AM EST
    at how easily the Obama supporters are convinced that the Wright troubles are hehind them.  It's the "one speech" thing all over again - in 2002 it was a speech on Iraq that Obama believes gives him the indelible stamp of good judgment, notwithstanding the actions or failures to act that followed, and now, it is one speech in Philadelphia which he - and supporters like Markos - believes has provided unparalleled leadership on matters of race.

    One speech.  I'm sorry, but I have read it and re-read it, and listened to it - and I don't think he really answered anything, don't think he provided leadership on the issue, and find it insulting and disingenuous that his approach in the days since has been one of having put a check mark next to "race speech" and now just wants to move on.

    Obama is still gearing his strategy toward just winning the nomination, and has failed, in my opinion, to look at what lies ahead in November.  Yes, I know he cannot get to the general unless he wins the nomination, but he's treating the nomination as the end of the race instead of the beginning of the hardest part of it.  Conquering Hillary will seem like getting over a speed bump only to be faced with a mountain - and if he thinks McCain is going to be easy to beat, he hasn't been paying attention to the way Republicans conduct campaigns.

    Most of the electoral map projections that I have seen do not have Obama winning, regardless of what daily national tracking polls are showing.  And given that we have been seeing in recent days some oversampling in some of these polls, I do not regard them as truly representative of the picture.

    and please lets not forget (5.00 / 8) (#67)
    by angie on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:12:24 AM EST
    that the Republicans don't care if Olbermann calls them "racist" when they start bringing up Wright every 5 seconds.  Because one of the main reasons that the Wright issue is on idle right now (and that is all it is, not put to bed as others here have said) is because Hillary has refused to engage it. Yes, that is right, Hillary has taken the high road on it (despite the Obama camp's view to the contrary). The Republicans will not do the same because they don't care about getting the AA vote -- they proved that when they didn't show up for the BET sponsored debate.  

    [ Parent ]
    That is so true (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:44:33 AM EST
    and does not get said enough.  It was easy to intimidate the Clintons by smearing them as racists because they care about being called racist.  The Republicans could not care less. We have all known for years that Republicans have been winning elections exactly by playing on racial divisions.  Now Dems want to pretend that is not true, or that they can overcome it by calling them out on it. They'll just laugh.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, he still has (none / 0) (#25)
    by marcellus on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:42:08 AM EST
    a few more tricks up his sleeve.  He didn't even come close to pulling out all the stops on the Wright issue...as you point out, it was only one speech.

    [ Parent ]
    Here's another perspective (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by cmugirl on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:34:20 AM EST
    According to William Kristol (no, I'm not a fan, but he has his pulse on the R's), here's what he has to say today about it in the NY Times.

    "More fundamental will be the question of the discrepancy between the image of Obama the uniter and the reality of Obama the liberal. That hasn't been much of a problem for Obama in the Democratic contest, since Clinton hasn't attacked from the right or even the center.

    But Republicans will. Last week, over drinks, one Republican strategist not affiliated with the McCain campaign mused about how an independent advertising effort against Obama might work. "Barack Obama: He's not who you think he is" would be the theme. The supporting evidence would come from his left-wing voting record in Illinois and Washington, spiced up with fun video clips of Reverend Wright."

    i noted here the other day (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by magisterludi on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:47:46 AM EST
    Vin Weber was on MSNBC saying the GOP already had a loop of "The Best of Wright" ready to go if BHO is the candidate. He was downright gleeful. Wright is not over by a long shot.

    [ Parent ]
    That's a More Reasonable View (none / 0) (#24)
    by Harley on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:41:40 AM EST
    But it's worth noting that no matter who runs, the GOP will attack them as being too liberal.  That's SOP in every election.  So it comes as something less than a revelation.

    [ Parent ]
    But (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by cmugirl on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:46:36 AM EST
    I think what struck me was that a Republican strategist is laying out the Wright thing specifically.

    Kristol also said this:

    "As a Congressional staffer put it, "Here's something to consider: Although Hillary will be out in May, she may determine the outcome in November. McCain's secret weapon -- among Clinton supporters -- may be Hillary's 3 a.m. national security ad."

    And an experienced Democratic operative e-mailed: "Finally, I think [McCain's] going to win. Obama isn't growing in stature. Once I thought he could be Jimmy Carter, but now he reminds me more of Michael Dukakis with the flag lapel thing and defending Wright. Plus he doesn't have a clue how to talk to the middle class. He's in the Stevenson reform mold out of Illinois, with a dash of Harvard disease thrown in."

    [ Parent ]

    Obama's no Stevenson (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by reality based on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:08:05 AM EST
    What an insult to Adlai Stevenson!  With Rezco, Allison Davis and the rest of the Chicago machine connections, I don't think Obama qualifies as a "reform" candidate.  I really don't think the Republicans will have to dirty themselves much with their attacks.  Obama's weaknesses are just out in the open for everyone to see.  If the Republicans are smart they won't go overboard and drive the disaffected Democrats back into the fold.

    [ Parent ]
    Of course they will (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by esmense on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 11:51:03 AM EST
    But Obama's problem is that he doesn't have much resume or track record to counter whatever the GOP does to define him. In terms of the public's perception of him, he is a blank slate with no known and trusted history.

    [ Parent ]
    But - that would bring the D Base back !!!! (none / 0) (#92)
    by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 09:46:10 AM EST
     "Barack Obama: He's not who you think he is" would be the theme. The supporting evidence would come from his left-wing voting record in Illinois and Washington

    If the RNC wants to run that, let them pay to bring us back together!

    [ Parent ]

    by the time the republican (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by sancho on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 07:47:54 AM EST
    attack machine is through with obama, many american voters won't know the difference between obama and horton. a republican friend of mine mordantly jokes that horton might be a better candidate than obama b/c at least wright is presumably not his minister. with kerry and dukakis the republicans had to make stuff up. wright actually belongs to obama.

    By the time the republican.... (none / 0) (#213)
    by workingclass artist on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 02:38:27 PM EST
    I agree but then I'm over the age of 20 and have a clear memory of how much has changed with respect to the relationship of media coverage and politics. Since the MSM is mostly owned by large Corps. monopolies and op/ed pundits pass for objective journalists, What else can be expected. The GOP wants Obamessiah and he will lose. Sorry... See above formula.

    [ Parent ]
    The Wright problem (5.00 / 10) (#42)
    by glennmcgahee on Mon Apr 07, 2008 at 08:18:45 AM EST
    is just one of many. Clinton is a good democrat or she would too be using the negatives about Obama that are clearly available to her. But she doesn't. She knows that the