I'm all for idealism, but not at the expense of reality. Stand for something, and then fight like hell to make it so. HRC does that, and has been doing that for her entire adult life. We know what she has been through, and that she not only survived, but thrived.

As usual she covered a lot of specifics on the issues, including energy policy, which is a big issue in Oregon. She promoted a big push for more wind and solar power.

I am always respectful in my posts and one night I asked why they allowed a particularly nasty anti-Hillary comment to got through and my comment was never approved for posting.

These self serving Obama worshipers cause more damage to the party than is imaginable. Those of us who watch the scorched earth campaign by Obama will have major difficulties voting for him in November. It all is a huge Hezbollah attempt to bring the Democrats to a point where if Obama is not the nominee the party explods.

i don't want them to "make nice", i want them to beat the republicans, and their supporters, about the head and shoulders with a stout board, soaked in 90 weight transmission oil for 20 years, so it bends but doesn't ever crack or break.

i want them to rip, shred and cause total chaos to the republican/right-wingnut/fundamentalist religonazis, leaving them but a fragmented shell of their former selves.

i want them to hold the republicans and their ilk up for public humiliation, to constantly out them for the hypocrisy that's the heart of that party and its supporters. i want them put in the metaphorical (if not actual) stocks, in the village square, to have all manner of refuse thrown at them.

that's what i want. you got a problem with that?

sen. obama is not the guy that can deliver, not that he'll actually have a chance, since he won't survive the GE, should he be the eventual dem. nominee. he will be parted-out by the republican/right-wingnut smear machine; dismantled like some old junker in an auto grave yard, to be used as transplants in other candidates, or served as red meat to the conservatives.

As to electability that is a different question.  You say that they will smear Obama, but of course they would do that to Hillary too.  So far I don't think that this stuff they are trying on Obama has amounted to much.  The line that Obama goes to a racist church just gives cover to people who want an excuse not to vote for him.   There is a much thicker file on Hillary and I don't think much of it was used in her New York campaigns.  And there is no reason to roll any of it out yet.

is it possible you've been in a coma for the past 16 years, and missed the near daily media attacks on sen. clinton/pres. clinton/chelsea clinton? perhaps you've been living in a cave in the gobi desert and it all went right by you?

please tell me that's the case. otherwise, a reasonable person would have to conclude you just are intellectually challenged.

the primaries/caucuses have been an obama love-fest for the media, period, end of discussion. with extremely rare exception, he's been treated with kid gloves. this will all change come the GE, should he be the dem. nominee, i guarantee it.

he will be pilloried, by the MSM, by the republican/right-wingnut smear machine. he and his wife (oh she of the unconstrained mouth!) will be ripped to shreds (metaphorically of course), they will have a field day with him.

they'll attack sen. clinton too, but they've been doing that now for 16 years, she'll give it right back. sen. obama will be the dear in the headlights by contrast.

So let's halve it at the outset.

This ridiculous "naked under her clothes" non-gotcha fails to mention that

• (a) both wrote wildly successful books recently,
  
• (b) ownership of passive /dormant creative properties must still be mentioned to the taxman and
  
• (c) let's see how Punkinhead Russert and the gang malevolently licks their drooling chops over this before any remaining ethical voices on the left call them out for what they sucks from the public airwaves

This amount wouldn't even crack what Some Celeb is making on his or her rounds flogging the latest popular piece o'crap.

Only Page expressed any doubt; Obama would be even with Clinton in the polls by late May 2007. But then, several guests had said the same thing on Matthews' February 11 program--on the weekend Obama announced. On March 25, Matthews was still excitedly asking his question, and resident genius Patrick Healy offered the consensus view: "Both campaigns think it will be a dead heat by Memorial Day."

Memorial Day 2007! According to the media consensus in March 2007, Clinton and Obama would be tied in the polls in a matter of months.

As for stopping the campaign before all the states have voted, it usually happens that way in primaries - Hillary is not being singled out here.

 Not true. Hopefully Exeter won't mind if I quote from his post on another thread:

Trivia: Who are the candidates in the modern political era that were in Hilary's position or better and then quit the fight for the nomination?  Answer: there haven't been any. Not one that has even been close.

In 2004, John Edwards stayed in until March and was never as close to Kerry as Clinton is to Obama. In 2000, Bill Bradley, despite never winning a single contest, stayed in until he lost his 19th state -- then when he finally did concede, he refused to endorse Gore. In 1992, former California Gov. Brown kept his campaign going all the way to the convention and Bill Clinton didn't knock him out of the race until he won NY in April.  In 1988, despite  being in contention early, Jesse Jackson never withdrew from the race until the convention. In 1984, Hart and Mondale battled all the way to the convention. In 1980 Carter and Kennedy battled all the way to the convention. In 1976, California gov Jerry Brown and Idaha Senator Frank Church entered the primary season late in an effort to prevent Carter from getting the nomination and this battle went all the way to convention.  

So, as you can see, the "Hillary should quit" meme is dothing more than an ugly attempt to undermine her candidacy by painting her as Tanya Harding and out to destroy her opponent and the whole democratic party.

I wish more people KNEW history, before they started claiming that those with whom they disagree are rewriting it.

And from eleanora:

You're asking her to step aside when this primary campaign is closer than any one previous that I can find. Even leaving out FL and MI, Obama currently has 1627 and Clinton has 1497. If you include Fl/MI as voted, Obama has 1699 and Clinton has 1690.

At the Democratic Conventions in the past:

    * 1972--George McGovern  had 1864.95 delegates; his nearest competitor Scoop Jackson had 525.
    * 1976--Jimmy Carter had 2,239 delegates; Mo Udall had 330
    * 1980--Jimmy Carter, the sitting president, had 2,129.02 delegates; Ted Kennedy, challenger, had 1,150.48 and fought through the convention to get delegates released from their voting commitments.
    * 1984--Walter Mondale had 2191 delegates; Gary W. Hart had 1200.
    * 1988--Michael Dukakis had 2687 and Jesse Jackson 1218  
    * 1992--Bill Clinton had 3372 delegates; Jerry Brown had 596.