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Big Tent Democrat has plans this evening and I'm off to take the TL kid out for a big steak dinner to celebrate his passing the bar.

Feel free to hold down the fort --just please try hard not to burn the place down.

This is an open thread.

Update: Comments now closed.

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    Congratulations to TL kid! (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Shainzona on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:10:38 PM EST


    Have a great dinner! (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by stillife on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:11:14 PM EST
    and rest assured that Hillary is holding her own against Bill O.

    Desert: New NC Poll: Hillary up by two! (none / 0) (#159)
    by Exeter on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:00:33 PM EST
    LINK

    [ Parent ]
    Discussed below (none / 0) (#161)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:01:20 PM EST
    It's junk.

    [ Parent ]
    I hate to admit that I'm watching (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Coldblue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:12:17 PM EST
    but Hillary is kicking ass so far on O'Reilly.

    She is on fire! (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by ChiTownDenny on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:16:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    They are fired up! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:20:39 PM EST
    Personality contest... he keeps trying, but...

    OT it would be great to get clips of Lou Dobbs from tonight (I know, shut up, I'm watching Fox and Lou Dobbs) they had positive things to say about Clinton, energy, looks great, it's about her not Bill and Hillary, talking from the heart.

    It's so odd, I keep seeing positive things... polls, opinions, Clinton on Fox....

    [ Parent ]

    O Reilly (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:43:08 PM EST
    is such a devilish character.  I was worried for her when I read the tease.  I just prayed she would give him h$ll and make him more comfortable.

    From what I am hearing, she did that!!

    Go, Hillary!  Go!

    I have heard her referred to the Iron Lady as a way to disparage her, but I think it is a compliment in many ways.

    Teflon has been proven to be bad for our health.

    Iron, as a cooking surface actually gives us the benefit of that element, which helps make us stronger.

    So, Go Iron Lady, GO!!

    Just beautiful.

    [ Parent ]

    and Iron (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by otherlisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:54:18 PM EST
    handles high heat MUCH better than Teflon!

    Teflon, if heated too high, becomes gaseous fumes that kill parrots.

    Save the Macaws! No Teflon in the White House!

    [ Parent ]

    Hi otherlisa (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:09:07 PM EST
    I have noticed your other posts.  I grew up with at least two or more Lisa's in my grade back in the day...  I can really relate to your name.

    I appreciate your addition to the great qualities of iron!

    [ Parent ]

    Very nice to meet you too! (none / 0) (#83)
    by otherlisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM EST
    I once worked at a tiny company - there were a dozen people at most - and three of us were Lisa's.

    Two of us were required to adopt nicknames, so as not to confuse the business' founder, who did tend to get easily confused.

    I love my iron skillets! Seriously. I don't have a non-stick pan in the house any more.

    [ Parent ]

    She's so amazing. (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by ahazydelirium on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:15:32 PM EST
    She didn't bash the liberal bloggers and pundits who bash her, and she injected "fair and balanced" with such great sarcasm!

    Why is it at all a question whether Hillary should be our nominee!

    [ Parent ]

    She projected (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by Coldblue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:22:18 PM EST
    the complete confidence of a true leader.

    [ Parent ]
    She is! (none / 0) (#8)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:18:57 PM EST
    I love it.

    [ Parent ]
    So I've entered the No Democrat Zone (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:12:28 PM EST
    to document the atrocities.

    It's a confrontational interview so far, and equal parts silly and productive. I do like that HIllary schooled Bill about healthcare. It sounded a bit like my family dinner table occasionally does. . .

    I did not much like hearing that we'd be getting analysis from. . .Dennis Miller and Dick Morris later--there's no way they can be or will be fair to Hillary, and that's why Democrats should never go on fox news.

    Yeah, I think the fair and balanced part is (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:22:27 PM EST
    getting ready to end. Morris?

    I do like how she took on Bill O. She takes no crap from anybody and I like it.

    [ Parent ]

    Could somebody explain Dennis Miller (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by dianem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:24:18 PM EST
    I do not understand his appeal. He was supposed to be a comedian, but he was never funny and now he's some kind of pundit, but he knows nothing about politics. He has no personality that I can see. Why is this man not selling used cars in Biloxi?

    [ Parent ]
    Quite (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:25:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Change the channel (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:30:40 PM EST
    I watch Fox but change the channel alot.  Miller is one of those times.  I saw the two female talking heads say 'masterful interview, she did great' and 'if she can handle BO, she can handle all of the rogue nations out there, she did great' and I quickly change the channel because I know what's coming next.

    [ Parent ]
    BO? Didn't notice. . . (none / 0) (#48)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:43:57 PM EST
    that Barack Obama and Bill O'Reilly have the same initials.  Wonder what O'Reilly's middle name is.

    Unless you meant if she can handle body odor in which case never mind.

    [ Parent ]

    Ha - pretty sure it is not (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:32:01 PM EST
    the same as Obama's - the middle name that shall not be mentioned.

    Maybe it's Hitler.

    [ Parent ]

    He's not selling used cars (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Nadai on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:37:34 PM EST
    because no one would buy them if he tried.  Selling cars actually takes some intelligence.

    [ Parent ]
    He is a too.l (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mrwirez on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:30:43 PM EST
    ...... I'm a horrible comic soooooo... I'll be a right wing blabber mouth..

    [ Parent ]
    I used to think he was very funny in the (none / 0) (#43)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:41:17 PM EST
    80's before he became a Repub.

    [ Parent ]
    sadly, me too. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Oje on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:05:44 PM EST
    But, when I think back to then, whether he voted R or D, I think his humor was Reagan Republican (anti-government humor that characterized the era). It is just that his Republican ideology changed with times. We now know that electoral success (and coups) tend to make Republicans deadly, authoritarian, nasty, and humorless over time!

    [ Parent ]
    How pathetic? They had to PAY his studio audience (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ellie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:47:43 PM EST
    ... and they still couldn't fill the place (at his short-lived talk show.)

    Not surprisingly, that wire story drew the biggest laughs that show ever got.

    [ Parent ]

    He has very (none / 0) (#76)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:12:49 PM EST
    diminutive hands.  Seriously.  Like an 8-year old girl.  It really freaks me out.

    [ Parent ]
    There (none / 0) (#112)
    by sas on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:58:48 PM EST
    is no way to explain him.  

    [ Parent ]
    well (none / 0) (#149)
    by facta non verba on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:40:58 PM EST
    he is doing comedy on Bill O'Reilly which for a former superstar from SNL is the equivalent of used selling cars in Biloxi.

    [ Parent ]
    Please keep us posted (none / 0) (#6)
    by bjorn on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:16:17 PM EST
    stuck at work and cannot watch (cries)

    [ Parent ]
    It's a fun interview (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:19:25 PM EST
    you should watch later.

    [ Parent ]
    It's fine. (none / 0) (#10)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:20:00 PM EST
    He stopped interrupting her and let her talk.

    [ Parent ]
    Dinner table a good analogy (none / 0) (#109)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:45:54 PM EST
    I missed the first part, but at the point I came in it did seem very conversational, not like normal interview format.  Hillary is very quick, and I liked that they kind of talked over eachother a little bit  like normal people do, but not in the extreme shouting match way.  I was just a little disappointed that I had heard some of her lines before, but I imagine she gets so used to saying them that they pop out automatically.

    Bill says the rest of it will be on tomorrow. Sigh.  I've never watched Fox 2 days in a row in my life, but I guess if Hillary can take it so can I.

    Her chair seemed very uncomfortable.  I wonder if Bill does that to all his guests.

    I turned it off right after she was done - could not subject myself to Dennis Miller.

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary has been there and back (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:21:18 PM EST
    O'Reilly isn't going to best her.

    So when is Obama going to be interviewed?

    I don't see Obama being able to (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by MMW on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:27:35 PM EST
    She's doing well, because she knows history and policy. She's relaxed. He (O'Reilly) can't seem to talk over her and dominate as he usually does.

    I don't see it going as well with Obama. I'm trying to be objective (I'm not even sure I'm capable of it anymore), but Obama takes too long to speak and he doesn't have the same grasp of policy or history.

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary is more than holding her own! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by felizarte on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:27:10 PM EST
    Not making any attempt to soft pedal anything.  O"reily is doing his best to be aggressive in his question but Hillary is able to rattle off facts like nobody's business on taxes, energy, universal healthcare.

     O'reilly had two Obama supporters to comment. One of them said that "if Hillary could face O'reilly, she could face any rogue nation out there."

    I love it! (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by bjorn on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:29:12 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I agree! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by MMW on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:30:30 PM EST
    Hillary is scoring tonight.

    O'Reilly isn't sugar coating or throwing softballs, but she's more than holding her own. She looks like she's thriving on having to talk about policy.

    [ Parent ]

    I think I hate Morris worse than Bill O. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:36:04 PM EST
    I'm changing the channel now.

    It gets worse (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:46:13 PM EST
    Bill launches into a rant against Daily Kos. Says Hillary is getting her revenge.

    Hmm, I'm not comfortable with this. . .

    [ Parent ]

    I turned it off after she left. (none / 0) (#88)
    by eleanora on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:26:10 PM EST
    What did Bill O say about DK?

    [ Parent ]
    Same old song (none / 0) (#92)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:29:31 PM EST
    "smear merchants" etc.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah? n/t (none / 0) (#93)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:31:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You were expecting perhaps a love serenade? (none / 0) (#97)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:32:24 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    No, My point is. . . (none / 0) (#105)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:38:41 PM EST
    I don't have any objection to O'Reilly's characterization of the current incarnation of Daily Kos.  If so experienced a smear meister as Mr. O'Reilly pronounces on the subject you can take it as coming from an expert.

    [ Parent ]
    It's funny (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:46:43 PM EST
    He used to be wrong, but he's become right.

    [ Parent ]
    Had negative things about HuffPost too (none / 0) (#107)
    by felizarte on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:41:53 PM EST
    Clinton haters.

    [ Parent ]
    Hatte (none / 0) (#66)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:00:49 PM EST
    the new progressive mantra.

    [ Parent ]
    Morris (none / 0) (#78)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:13:09 PM EST
    and Fox hear from me regularly.  His blatant hate is unprofessional.  I could say more but I do not want to hurt a certain demographic of friends that I love...  so I will leave it at that.

    [ Parent ]
    Did you guys read the Mayhill (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:53:10 PM EST
    Fowler piece?
    I found it at noquarter: Obama losing focus?

    I hope Obama is not expecting the actual job to be easier than campaigning.
    Face it, some people just do not have the stamina for that kind of work---18 hour days with hardly a break. I know I wouldn't.

    This Is My Favorite Part Of The Fowler Piece (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:37:18 PM EST
    Don't hit on Hillary." Only the day before the Hickory event, Jean Weiss, a feisty eighty-two year-old, told Obama, when he called on her, thinking he would get a question, just that. Age admonishing youth, it was a powerful moment that the crowd much appreciated. That Senator Obama seemed to have forgotten Weiss only a day later may be a sign only of Wright-driven stress.


    [ Parent ]
    Read that (none / 0) (#94)
    by RalphB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:31:23 PM EST
    and thought it sounded like what I've been thinking a bit lately.  Obama seems to be a sloppy candidate when he doesn't have a teleprompter.


    [ Parent ]
    I'm afraid we're (none / 0) (#155)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:52:42 PM EST
    looking at another president who can't think on the fly and can't speak without stammering and fumbling for words if Hillary can't pull off a small miracle and get the nod.

    [ Parent ]
    Best Quote of the day: (5.00 / 7) (#65)
    by Mrwirez on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:00:36 PM EST
    So Obama knew - without any doubt what so ever -there were no WMD in Iraq, but he did not know about what Wright was speaking in his own church for twenty years?

    Forget about that one!

    from:    Hillaryis44.com

    That Obama supporter on Abrams just said (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:09:27 PM EST
    if we are going to question Obama's relationship with Wright, we need to look at Hillary's relationship with Bill C.

    Say what? (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Lil on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:16:13 PM EST
    It really is silly season. Everybody's making me laugh tonight. some very funny, snarky posts.

    [ Parent ]
    She was dead serious. Crazy stuff. (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:18:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    another false analogy by Obama crowd (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by angie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:19:30 PM EST
    Don't they teach logic anymore to the younguns? I'm not going to go through the litany of unadulterated cr@p spewed by Wright, but suffice it to say you can't analogize them to any views held by Bill Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    That's kind of what Abrams said to her. (none / 0) (#86)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:22:14 PM EST
    She (Nancy Giles) said we aren't allowed to mention Monica Lewinsky while she mentions Monica Lewinsky.

    [ Parent ]
    They're just mad (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by eleanora on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:28:05 PM EST
    because they mention her all the time, but no one cares anymore. That scandal is so last century.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm sure that like any couple (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:27:15 PM EST
    married that long, they listen to each other at least as closely as Obama listened to his pastor for 20 years.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama supporter went on to say, about Monica (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:29:14 PM EST
    Lewinsky, that Obama is to Wright and Hillary is to Monica Lewinsky!!!!

    Honest!

    So, I'm going: No relationship with Monica, no 20 year relationship with Monica, no mentoring with Monica (either way), no book titles from Monica, no...you get the idea.

    What a stupid equivalency to make. The Obama supporter is going to be very embarrassed.

    [ Parent ]

    As bad as Obama's comparison of (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by ruffian on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:04:18 PM EST
    his relationship with Wright to his relationship with Tom Coburn during the debate, and his comparison of Wright to his grandma.

    I'm guessing these people got an awful score on that 'X is to Y as A is to __'  part of the SAT.

    [ Parent ]

    AS Hillary is to Monica. (none / 0) (#111)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:47:50 PM EST
    Proofreading can be a good thing.

    [ Parent ]
    but but but, don't we already (none / 0) (#96)
    by RalphB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:32:20 PM EST
    know more than we want?  :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Passing the bar is a BIG achievement (5.00 / 5) (#82)
    by downtownted on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:18:28 PM EST
    Sometimes we belittle the really important things. This is one of the biggies. Congratulations and lift high our glasses to the TL Kid.

    I missed the O Reilly interview (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by lilburro on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:33:00 PM EST
    but I was just reading the local paper.  If you go to NYTimes.com, Barack Obama's conference yesterday takes up at least 4 pages, probably (I didn't print it out).  We get it in three measly paragraphs from McClatchy.  Here's a sample:

    "On Tuesday, the Illinois senator used words such as 'divisive and destructive,' 'ridiculous,' 'outrageous' and 'wrong' to describe the words of Wright, a man who was Obama's pastor for two decades.  Obama also said he was 'particularly angered' by Wright saying that Obama's denunciation of some of Wright's earlier remarks was only political posturing."

    That's the last paragraph.  That's one of the main reasons IMO that the news media is terrible - they sum up events like 5th graders.  Basically, the reporter above looked over all Obama said and selected the adjectives.  Nicely done.  It's like turning a Van Gogh into a rusty hinge.

    When I saw Hillary in Wilmington, I saw overall a good speech.  I heard her challenge Obama goodnaturedly to a debate in a flatbed truck.  The next day?  The media tells us "Desperate for Debate, Clinton Suggests One On "Back Of Flat Bed Truck."  Thank you, CBS News.  The only people desperate at that rally were the press lunging for headlines.  Seriously - the most pathetic sight at any politicaly rally is the blank looking press, waiting for a shepherd, scratching their heads, yearning for photos, etc.  These people have no value.  I don't know how BTD measures the lasting goodwill of these people for Obama (there may be a way), but I for one have no respect for them.  They stroll into the scene after hundreds or thousands wait for hours, then act bored as they compare it to what they've already read.  

    Also, there's a show called "Farmer Wants a Wife?"

    View The Video On NoQuarter (none / 0) (#206)
    by flashman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:13:43 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oops, I mean Taylor Marsh (none / 0) (#207)
    by flashman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:14:23 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    So, from what I've read (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:36:54 PM EST
    it seems that the only two Dems to really take on Fox have been Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    MMmmm.........

    Went to TPM--very heavily covering the NC robot (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:44:56 PM EST
    call "scandal." They are going to get to the bottom of this dangerous progressive GOTV organization, by gum!

    Why does it not surprise me that progressive blogger Josh Marshall did not know anything about WVWV (Women's Voices. Women Vote)?

    From an article in Feb. mentioned in Page Gardener's HuffPo explanation piece, a NC paper wrote about increased voter registration:

    http://www.dailysoutherner.com/archivesearch/local_story_060111448.html

    "We received more than 100 cards Wednesday, and other days, as well," said Ethel Bryant, who has worked in the office for more than 14 years. "Rocky Mount said they received more than 300. We thought most people in our area were registered and have been surprised to receive so many new registration cards."

    The voter's registration cards have been sent out by the Voter Participation Center, an arm of Women's Voices, Women's Vote, a non-profit organization, based in Washington, D.C., whose goal is to help single women, those polled least-likely to vote, to register.

    "We found there were 570,000 unmarried women in North Carolina, who are not registered to vote," said Sarah Johnson, communications director. "These are women of all ages, widowed, divorced and those who have never been married. These women, who make up approximately 26 percent of the voter base, are usually extremely busy and under-represented. Our goal is to help them by sending them an application to register to vote, which would make it easier then, to vote on election day.

    "We are non-partisan, so we don't care who they vote for, just so they vote."

    Bryant agreed the method seems to be working.

    "They send out the voter's applications in a pre-packaged envelope with postage paid," she said. "Many are female and from rural areas, where it is harder to run out and get a stamp to post a letter. Since it doesn't need a stamp, they are able to drop it right in the mail."

    Josh -- they were doing this in February, maybe earlier! A bit early to mess up the primary, right?

    Of course, they also did this in '04....

    Yep! after skewering Hillary all day (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by Josey on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:00:21 PM EST
    we now learn there's an Obama supporter on the board of the Women's Voices Women's Vote!

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/30/17111/6808

    So - apparently, Obama is responsible for suppressing women's votes!!
    Be sure to look for that FP on DK to correct the earlier Hillary-hate piece.


    [ Parent ]

    There's some screaming going on at MyDD (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:07:40 PM EST
    about an insider advantage poll in NC that shows HIllary ahead.

    I don't believe it for two reasons: 1. Obama will win NC, period; 2. Insider Advantage showed Mississippi closing. . .and it didn't.

    Meanwhile, Top Chef is fun.

    Noquarter says there is a FOX poll (none / 0) (#117)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:09:56 PM EST
    showing Hillary ahead in NC.
    Is that the same poll?

    [ Parent ]
    I read that it was announced on Fox (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:13:26 PM EST
    but that it's actually an Insider Advantage poll.

    I also read that it shows HIllary getting 20% of the AA vote. I don't believe that for a second.

    [ Parent ]

    Not only 20% going to Clinton. . . (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:40:56 PM EST
    but 15% undecided.  Only 64% of African American votes going to Obama.  Not credible on the face of it.

    [ Parent ]
    hmm... 20% seems possible to me. (none / 0) (#131)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:20:35 PM EST
    We'll see.

    [ Parent ]
    OK, (none / 0) (#140)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:31:30 PM EST
    crosstabs here.

    I'm not buying it.

    [ Parent ]

    the guy who did that poll (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by angie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:48:18 PM EST
    said he thought it would not shake out that way and admitted their AA count wasn't good -- I wanted to ask him why the heck did he even do it them. pfft. But, he did predict an Obama win by less then what was previously expected, for what it's worth.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, really (none / 0) (#154)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:51:30 PM EST
    If you know your poll is junk, don't release it.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm an optimist. (none / 0) (#141)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:34:10 PM EST
    Actually I have no idea what to expect.
    If anything would change that demographic, Wright might, but I don't know it would help Hillary.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm a pessimist (none / 0) (#146)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:40:00 PM EST
    it means that I'm rarely caught disappointed!

    [ Parent ]
    But that also means (none / 0) (#157)
    by ahazydelirium on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:57:42 PM EST
    you don't have the energizing build-up that transforms a good moment into an absolutely fabulous moment!

    [ Parent ]
    crosstabs (none / 0) (#158)
    by RalphB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:58:28 PM EST
    show Obama leading Hillary 2-1 with Hispanics.  duh?  even though sample size is so small it's meaningless.

    Women are also underrepresented at 53%, if you go by turnout in most other states.


    [ Parent ]

    The poll is whack (none / 0) (#160)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:00:42 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Anyone watching Boston Legal? (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by magisterludi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:11:20 PM EST
    It's about the DNC.

    They're suing the DNC over the nomination process! I'm almost afraid to watch. Candace Bergen's character initiates the suit.

    This is unpossible (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by daryl herbert on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:17:20 PM EST
    If Fox is the worst news network ever, how come they have some of the best journalism?

    What other network has had such a great interview with Clinton?

    Can you name one other network where you could even imagine to see such a great back and forth?

    Has Sen. Obama given a more important interview than the one with Chris Wallace?  We learned quite a bit about him from that (i.e., how quickly he folds in the face of Republican questioning).

    What other network has had such a great interview with Obama?

    ABCNNMSNBCBS is just four different ways to spell Chris Matthews.

    That was a great interview (none / 0) (#128)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    but why?  Because Hillary held her own and then some.  She is just incredible.

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    just watched the interview (none / 0) (#145)
    by proudliberaldem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:39:49 PM EST
    amazing.  she was just amazing, poised, tough, funny quick on her feet.  how could anyone watch that and not want her to be president?

    [ Parent ]
    Ever hear of PBS? (none / 0) (#202)
    by kdog on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:21:29 AM EST
    The only station I've ever seen to air a political or newsworthy interview.

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    NY Post Source: Wright "betrayed" (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Exeter on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:29:17 PM EST
    Fred Dicker story posted a few hours ago NY Post website:
    "After 20 years of loving Barack like he was a member of his own family, for Jeremiah to see Barack saying over and over that he didn't know about Jeremiah's views during those years, that he wasn't familiar with what Jeremiah had said, that he may have missed church on this day or that and didn't hear what Jeremiah said, this is seen by Jeremiah as nonsense and betrayal," said the source, who has deep roots in Wright's Chicago community and is familiar with his thinking on the matter.


    The Black Agenda Report Has An Article Titled (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:56:27 PM EST
    Obama's `Race Neutral' Strategy Unravels of its Own Contradictions is an interesting read on Obama's throwing Wright under the bus. The comments also show a wide range of opinions on how the AA community may be reacting to disavowal  of Rev. Wright.    

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    how come... (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by white n az on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:35:17 PM EST
    nobody is talking about this detail from yesterday's Survey USA NC Poll...

    Since January, Clinton had led among Carolina whites by 14, 19, 17, 22 and 23 points. But today, suddenly: 31.

    That is an incredible shift in numbers...Hillary is leading Obama on white voters 61% to 30%

    That is the most significant detail that seems to be completely overlooked and is as indicative of Obama's not being electable than any other.

    This was from 4/26 through 4/28 so it did not factor in 2 of the 3 Wright appearances and of course Obama's response to them.

    The guy has tanked big time and if he can't do better than 30% of the white voters in NC, super delegates would have to be insane to go with him.

    I believe that exact issue. . . (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:37:33 PM EST
    was the subject of one of BTDs front page posts.

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    Seriously (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:41:34 PM EST
    Nobody was talking about it. . .except everyone here.

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    ahh... (none / 0) (#182)
    by white n az on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:38:45 PM EST
    yesterday morning - while I was busy working...

    That is absolutely incredible though...61 - 30

    Their Indiana poll showed Obama polling 39% and I think he was 36% of the white vote in PA.

    30% is a complete failure and is so statistically significant that it can't be overlooked.

    I'm sorry I missed the discussion on that.

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    Gallup daily tracking 4/27-29/08 (none / 0) (#173)
    by felizarte on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:22:14 PM EST
    has Clinton 47; Obama 46

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    Where? (none / 0) (#175)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:28:52 PM EST
    NC, or national?  Linky?

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    Here! here! (none / 0) (#197)
    by felizarte on Thu May 01, 2008 at 01:11:23 AM EST
    Boston Legal is about Clinton, Obama, delegates (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by Lysis on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:46:53 PM EST
    It's hilarious.  I suggest tuning in.  Shirley, the lawyer played by Candice Bergen, is suing her nephew because he's a pledged delegate planning on voting for Obama, though Clinton won his district and state.  Lots of humor for both sides in this one!

    David Kelley did a number (none / 0) (#168)
    by magisterludi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:13:24 PM EST
    on the stereotypical Obama supporter. Snidey-butt, indeed!

    And I'm sure Howard Dean and the gang won't be happy.

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    Gov. Easley on Charlie Rose tonight said it (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:38:11 PM EST
    was interesting that when people talk about Obama can do, it almost always ends in November (he can bring youth and indepdents to him in the election), but when they talk about Clinton it's about what she'll do as president.

    Which reflects her emphasis on concrete proposals.

    Debate (none / 0) (#4)
    by Sunshine on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:12:23 PM EST
    Hillary doesn't have to have Obama to debate with, she's doing OK with O'Reily....

    You're right! (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by MMW on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:22:59 PM EST
    She's doing fantastically. She's more than keeping up with him, dare I say, she's a perfect foil for him. She's giving as good as he's trying to give. He's trying but she keeps calling him out on his inaccuracies. Her grasp of history and info is amazing. I think she has surprised to him. He will never admit it, but I think she got to him. She'll gain among voters / viewers from this.

    [ Parent ]
    I posted on the other thread (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by angie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:26:24 PM EST
    Memo to Obama: this is how you "take on Fox."
    She did great -- could not have been better.  She stood her ground and didn't grovel to the Republicans.

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    She not only knows the policy and the history (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:29:53 PM EST
    she always has it right at the tip of her tongue. Politics comes naturally to her, and she would do well in a parliament.

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    I agree with you and Angie (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by MMW on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:35:27 PM EST
    It's surprising, but she's so animated and knowledgeable she makes it exciting.

    Admittedly, I have not watched all her interviews, but this one is great. I think she feels more free to spar with O'Reilly, because it's Fox and it's not the cautious (let's make sure we don't upset the Democrat, if it's CNN, or NBC, etc).

    She looked great not just physically, but the vibe was there (I can't find the words I want to use).

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    "poised" is what I thought (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by angie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:41:22 PM EST
    as the campaign goes on, she just gets better and better -- she was relaxed, humorous, smart, assertive (but not aggressive) and showed she can handle "gotcha" questions gracefully. Poised to be President.

    [ Parent ]
    I think you might be right on that! (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by MMW on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:45:59 PM EST
    She surprised me, which is weird, since I'm totally in the tank for her.

    You know - I'd have a beer with her (with chips and salsa).

    [ Parent ]

    I'd share an arugula salad ;-) (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:46:41 PM EST


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    And not taking any crap. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Lil on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:05:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    at one point (none / 0) (#31)
    by kempis on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:31:01 PM EST
    I thought I saw fear in his eyes.

    :)

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    Fear followed by admiration... (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by lookoverthere on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:38:33 PM EST
    And look at that: Cruella Darth Voldemort is charming.

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    true! :) (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by kempis on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:00:53 PM EST

    There's a real contrast between her resilient cheeriness and Obama's poutyness.

    And O'Reilly's inflamed hemorrhoidalness.

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    LOL How did the hooded spotted puppy pantsuit look (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ellie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:02:22 PM EST
    Or did she go with the black robe, light saber and breath amplifying dark helmet?

    [ Parent ]
    I listenen to a variety of talk radio (none / 0) (#16)
    by kenosharick on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:24:39 PM EST
    while in he car today- and rev. wright was all people were talking about. Black radio was defending him and Barack at the same time. Callers kept ranting about the raw deal he has gotten in the media, while they have been great to Hillary- I was stunned: what media are they talking about? Right-wing radio was slamming him with the same question as I have for Obama: Why was everything wright has said for 20 years ok, and suddenly yesterday after saying NOTHING NEW the man is practically the devil himself?

    Lucky for those callers who want to defend... (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:30:14 PM EST
    ...both Wright and Obama that they've got Hillary to blame. Otherwise they might actually have to apply reason and logic to the situation.

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    How do I even talk to people like this? (none / 0) (#106)
    by rockinrocknroll on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:40:07 PM EST
    That's sort of what I was coming in to ask. Look at this stuff!! What can one even say to all of that? They (and those people calling in to the radio) seem so out of touch to me. I don't get it.

    And that concern troll Nancy Giles was just on Dan Abrams hawking that same talking point that no one criticizes Hillary for her association with Bill. !!!! On what planet?! Do they have amnesia or do they expect US to?

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    Where did they get these two Obama (none / 0) (#21)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:27:36 PM EST
    supporters? They actually praised her performance.

    Well, they're Obama supporters (5.00 / 6) (#22)
    by andgarden on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:28:44 PM EST
    the way Democrats on Fox are usually "Democrats."

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    lol, that's what I was thinking. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Teresa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:30:14 PM EST


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    I switched channels (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by angie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:30:43 PM EST
    after Hillary was done -- I mean, I'll take one for the team, but there is only so much O'Reilly I can stomach.  Anywho, if that is what the Obama supporters are saying, then God bless them -- because it is the truth -- she kicked a$$. No two ways about it.

    [ Parent ]
    I've seen them both before (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:31:52 PM EST
    but I don't recall if they were this positive about her.

    Lordy, that was fun.

    [ Parent ]

    Now O'reilly has dick morris on (none / 0) (#33)
    by felizarte on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:33:39 PM EST
    and he is commenting on the Wright issue; admitting that it has an effect on Obama but says it doesn't matter anyway because the democratic primary is over and Obama will be the opponent of McCain.

    It's all hype waaaa (none / 0) (#40)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:36:49 PM EST
    It doesn't matter if she wins the next two because (tsk, head shake, smirk) it's all over....

    Can I reach through the tv and smack him?  Change channel, stop looking......

    [ Parent ]

    Dick Morris (none / 0) (#52)
    by stillife on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:46:28 PM EST
    is insane.  He's even too nutty for O'Reilly.  I wish they'd dump him b/c he has zero credibility.  I'd rather watch Rove or Gingrich.  

    [ Parent ]
    I always expect to see (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by kempis on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:04:10 PM EST
    Morris's forked tongue dart out of his mouth. One day, he's going to let his guard down and it's going to happen right there on Fox.

    I bet he leaves a slimy trail behind him when he moves.

    shudder

    [ Parent ]

    This made me laugh out loud... (none / 0) (#124)
    by americanincanada on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 09:16:37 PM EST
    Thank you so much. That was the best laugh of the day.

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