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How Dare You Register Women To Vote?

It is a bad thing now apparently:

[I]t should be pointed out that a non-profit group focusing efforts on registering unmarried women in presidential primaries has to know that their activities will almost certainly help Hillary Clinton, as that is probably her strongest demographic.

Unbelievable.

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    I haven't followed this story, because (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:58:23 PM EST
    I don't understand how encouraging people to register to vote is "voter supression".
    Am i missing something?

    Apparently we missed that the only (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by RalphB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:00:39 PM EST
    "good" voter registration is one where the voter goes for Obama.   :-)

    This is typical hypocrisy in Blogistan.


    [ Parent ]

    Packet is postage prepaid, so women in rural (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:13:39 PM EST
    areas don't have to run out for a stamp, can just drop in the mail.

    Per an article about the WVWV registration program in February --think it was NC, but not sure now.

    Has resulted in great increase in voter registration!

    Used to be a good thing!

    [ Parent ]

    Yes, but how is it voter suppression? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:18:35 PM EST
    Isn't that the charge? It sounds like a mistake.. and one that does not benefit Hillary.

    [ Parent ]
    Preventive psy-ops to explain lower than (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:35:11 PM EST
    expected Obama vote?

    [ Parent ]
    Heh, that actually sounds kinda (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by nycstray on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:56:14 PM EST
    plausible. Better than having it be the-issue-that-won't-go-away-Wright  ;)

    [ Parent ]
    Oh I'm sure that's true, if nothing (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:14:34 PM EST
    else. They have complained of cheating in every major contested primary.

    [ Parent ]
    The registration is for the GE (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by RalphB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:20:40 PM EST
    where there is no April 11 deadline.  Thick as a brick.


    [ Parent ]
    You mean there is nothing wrong at all??? (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:22:07 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Nope. (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:28:49 PM EST
    The group's efforts could use some better coordination, and their writers could use editors. But all they're trying to do is register unmarried women for the GE.

    Again, these women are very likely to vote Democratic, so if anyone should be upset, it should be John McCain.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, they have created voter confusion (none / 0) (#204)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:54:03 PM EST
    numerous times apparently so I think saying they need "some" better coordination is an understatement.

    Registering women to vote is a good thing, but...

    Robo-calling with blocked caller ID; not even identifying the organization or intent in the voice mail; failing to explain that if people are already registered they should disregard the call; AND doing the robo calling right before primaries and after the registration deadline for those primaries is not only poorly coordinated - it is also IMO completely incompetent.

    Some days I really wish everybody would just stop "helping".

    [ Parent ]

    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#210)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:13:12 PM EST
    I am the mistress of understatement!

    But honestly, I work as a project coordinator, and I am not surprised by this type of incompetence. Trust me, the people who created this communication were no more clueless than 50% of the people I deal with.

    Yes, I know it's a scary statement. ;-)

    [ Parent ]

    Is May 6 the last election ever? (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by DaveOinSF on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:19:27 PM EST
    If not, what's wrong with trying to register people to vote?

    [ Parent ]
    How on earth is this intrigue? (none / 0) (#220)
    by cal1942 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:19:21 PM EST
    It appears that an organization released an ill-timed robo-call.  The problem is the organization's for wasting money because of bad timing.

    The deadline for registering for the GE has NOT passed.  

    There certainly is no cause to imply a perfidious motive.

    [ Parent ]

    No cause?!???!?! (none / 0) (#221)
    by lambert on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:30:29 PM EST
    But it could benefit Hillary!!! Don't you see?!?!?! What are you, a racist?

    [ Parent ]
    How are these calls "deceptive"? (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by litigatormom on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:17:52 PM EST
    I didn't know that Democratic female voters were a demographic to be avoided.

    [ Parent ]
    Looks like the Kossacks are starting to (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:04:32 PM EST
    worry just a bit.  

    But this is just stupid.  Makes one question the judgment of people who can be so easily duped.  I remember saying that about republicans who voted for Bush.

    Support Obama if you want, but leave the kindergarten highjinx in Room 104, please.

    I agree: it is worry rapidly into panic (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by felizarte on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:02:18 PM EST
    Repug radio is still carrying on and on about Rev. Wright/Obama connection.  Democrats might give it a rest, but not the repubs.  How does these types of kneejerk reaction from the Obama support groups helping to redirect the discussion of policy?  I suppose it is enough that they muddle the discussion so that no one knows anymore what anybody is talking about.  

    [ Parent ]
    Where is the (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by Leisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:07:47 PM EST
    sanity in this?  I am amazed at the logic of some people...  err...  I mean lack of logic...

    This is just another attempt to smear Hillary and her supporters.  Grasping attempt I might add.  

    The last thing Hillary needs are for this demographic of voters to be suppressed!!

    Anyone remember registering Independent voters? (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by TalkRight on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:31:17 PM EST
    or the Black's in Philadelphia?
    or the Hillary basher Republicans?

    ----

    Oh the women registration is the ONE that we need to pick on!! Can't wait to see how Chris Mathews/KO Obama News Networks play foul with this !!

    [ Parent ]

    What about the Dems for a Day (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by FlaDemFem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:24:31 PM EST
    that Obama was touting so he could get votes in the primary that wouldn't go Dem in the GE?? Why aren't Democrats screaming about that?? Talk about asking the Republicans to pick our candidate for us!! And nowhere did I see a mention of a party preference being pushed in the registration drive. So what is the problem? Besides the fact that many women will vote for Hillary in the GE. Or in the remaining primaries where the date to register for them hasn't already passed. If Obama is such a sure thing, why is he so worried about Hillary?? I'll tell you..she is a come from behind horse. He is terrified she is going to nail him at the wire..hehehe.

    For an example of what I mean by that.. see this.  John Henry won it. Check out the other races of his on YouTube and you will see why I call Hillary the "John Henry of politics". Enjoy!!!

    [ Parent ]

    That Democrat for a Day (none / 0) (#218)
    by cal1942 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 08:59:26 PM EST
    registration drive in PA by Obama should have driven Democratic Superdelegates to support Hillary Clinton en masse.

    But no one raised a stink over that disgusting attempt to game the system.

    The trash about this seems like: 'you dare not breathe the very air reserved exclusively for the precious one.'

    [ Parent ]

    Defend the quote (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:10:52 PM EST
    if you want to.

    But stick to the quote please. As I said, the re is another post where you can accuse John Podesta and Mike Lux of voter suppression.

    There is a post below this one (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:13:15 PM EST
    where you can accuse Mike Lux and John Podesta of voter suppression.

    If you can not stick to discussing the quote I provide, then do not comment in this thread.

    [ Parent ]

    once again exactly what is wrong with (none / 0) (#22)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:14:51 PM EST
    the quote? I mean sure I don't know if its married or single women who are Hillary's strongest demographic.

    personally I think its married women, but um... once again this in no ways suggests that registering women to vote is bad.

    could you walk me through how you get that conclusion?

    [ Parent ]

    What's wrong is the implication (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:16:40 PM EST
    that registering women is wrong.

    You decided to play dumb on this one if you like.

    That is your perogative.

    There is no other purpose for the quote.

    It is bad to register women because it helps Hillary Clinton.

    You know and I know that is what is meant here.

    I have no patience for studied ignorance.

    [ Parent ]

    well maybe if we were allowed (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:19:13 PM EST
    to talk about more then just this quote, but one its own then no this quote is NOT what you say it is.
    and yes there was a point of the post, to better show the motives for WVWV action's, but you don't want us to discuss that you want to discuss this 1 quote

    which you are saying implies something that it does not. as the ENTIRE diary was not about registering women to vote, but about WVWV dubious actions for the last 5-6 months

    [ Parent ]

    you are truly a disingenuous person (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:22:20 PM EST
    the quote is singled out because it is outrageous.

    It implies that a group that is focused on registering women is doing something bad because such an effort helps Hillary Clinton.

    If such a suggestion was made about A-A voter registration drives, the cries, rightly so, would be immense in all quarters.

    You frankly are  . .  well, I will not say it.

    But I think ill of you right now.

    [ Parent ]

    Thanks.. (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:25:04 PM EST
    Just donated some money to this group, without KOS I would not have known.  Can you tell them thank you on my behalf?  

    [ Parent ]
    no that 1 quote alone (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:30:23 PM EST
    suggests NO wrong doing, only that the group knows they are helping Hillary or they should no.

    now the rest of the diary may suggest wrong doing but that is different as you said, this is ONLY about that 1 quote you provided.

    so no I disagree on which one of us is the disingenuous one, that 1 quote suggests the group has done nothing wrong. and if so which actually words in that quote suggest wrong doing?

    the diarist correctly notes the group is helping Hillary and they must know it, but no where does it say this is bad.

    please you show me what words in that quote show that the diarist thinks this is bad.

    and are you saying that if obama tried to get AA's out to vote everyone would cry this is bad? we know he doing it everywhere because they vote for him, just like Hillary is trying to get the woman vote out.

    once again you show me what words in that quote express something negative is being done. it says the group is getting women out to vote and has to know this will help Hillary, from your 1 quote you can't say this is good or bad. you are using the rest of the diary to make assumptions but then say I am not allowed to talk about anything but this 1 quote which you are making your own conclusions for.

    so don't call me disingenuous unless you can show me how this quote and this quote alone express that as your title says "How Dare You Register Women To Vote?" or as your link says "It is a bad thing now apparently:" because I don't see any opinion in that quote besides that WVWV has to know they are helping Hillary

    but once again where does it show that this is negative.

    [ Parent ]

    Why do you need to be 'shown' anything here? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Ellie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:40:32 PM EST
    No doubt the comments at the site of the posting / conspiracy theory contain a multitude of defenses and, it goes without saying by now, offenses.

    [ Parent ]
    Dumb as stumps... (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by jackyt on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:37:32 PM EST
    Give it up, Big Tent.The thick-as-bricks crowd is monotonizing the conversation!

    [ Parent ]
    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by magisterludi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:51:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    re-read my response to you in last post (none / 0) (#197)
    by wasabi on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:35:24 PM EST
    It might ease your concern.

    [ Parent ]
    To make it simple for you (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:20:08 PM EST
    Imagine a post about the NAACP that stated that they knew their voter registration efforts focused on A-As helped Barack Obama.

    You'll excuse me for KNOWING you would not be so sanguine.

    the quote is outrageous.

    [ Parent ]

    WHY (none / 0) (#47)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:22:18 PM EST
    that is my question, why is it outrageous?

    because women are NOT her base of her demographic?
    once again your TITLE and your LINK makes it sound as if the diarist says this is bad, and I ask where do you get that from?

    and what? we ALL know a drive to register AA voters helps Obama, but simply saying that doesn't make it bad, or against registering AAs to vote.

    where do you get this diarist is against registering women to vote?

    [ Parent ]

    Why? (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:48:09 PM EST
    Because the suggestion that there could be something wrong about registering women for any reason should be offensive to any real progressive.

    But the Obama Kool Aid is strong.

    [ Parent ]

    but DailyO is saying (none / 0) (#172)
    by Josey on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:48:38 PM EST
    the org is intentionally screwing up to SUPPRESS voting.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think that's the implication (none / 0) (#40)
    by AdamSmithsHand on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:20:33 PM EST
    The charge is that they are putting out misleading information. The quote about their focus is meant to identify their likely bias.

    Personally I think it is a dumb quote and far too abstract a connection to tie this to Clinton.  But your intimation that the quote was a complaint against registering women is simply bizarre.

    [ Parent ]

    The quote does nothing to add to the charge (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:47:02 PM EST
    It is there merely to denigrate the group for doing something, registering women, that favors Hillary clinton.

    That some Obama cultists are incapable of seeing what is wrong here is as telling as anything yet.

    [ Parent ]

    No. (none / 0) (#128)
    by AdamSmithsHand on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:05:42 PM EST
    The intent (and I don't defend it), is clearly to tie these misleading robocalls to the Clinton campaign.  The notion is that if the group usually serves women, they probably favor Clinton.

    This is too tenuous a link to take seriously, but so is your assertion that the complaint is about registering women.  

    As for calling people "cultists" - such a thing used to be beneath you.

    [ Parent ]

    I had to (5.00 / 1) (#219)
    by cal1942 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:11:34 PM EST
    go there to read the post.

    That post is one of the more ridiculous bits of commentary I've read from the Obama crowd.  And that's saying a lot. BTD is correct.  There is a clear implication that WVWV has engaged in some nefarious act to suppress the vote.  The post never explains how the ill-timed robo calls could suppress the vote. Running through the post is a tone condemning any kind of activity that might in some way benefit Hillary Clinton. Even if it's registering unmarried women (by the way unmarried women vote overwhelmingly Democratic; at a higher rate than married women). The post is an indication of just how contorted some of the Obama camp has become.

    My take for what it's worth is that the post backhands efforts to register women since that would benefit Hillary Clinton.

    Some elements of the Obama crowd have gone so far around the bend that they're even condemning what should be applauded and I believe that's BTD's point.  A very good point IMO.

    [ Parent ]

    Let me add that one more comment (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:18:42 PM EST
    by you or anyone else that attempt to change the subject of this post will lead to suspension.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by cmugirl on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:12:53 PM EST
    Democrats don't suppress votes- not even in Michigan and Florida.

    Oh, wait a minute......

    BTD -- Maybe we need a section for rumor killing (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:16:14 PM EST
    I thought I'd posted about it below, but may have not hit key properly.

    Anyway, there's this one and the Barbara Reynolds. Would be helpful to have the factual info all in one place.

    Is that doable?

    And thank goodness for all the great fact searching by folks here.

    Use the Open Thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:17:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Thanx. will do (none / 0) (#45)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:22:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Awesome... (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:17:00 PM EST
    way to go Hillary with having a super duper campaign.  Identify your voter base, register them and get them out.  That is how you will elections.  Do you hear that SDs?  Winning elections.  

    You're off message (none / 0) (#86)
    by AF on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:43:45 PM EST
    These folks just screwed up big time.  Even accepting it was an honest mistake, it's hardly something the Clinton campaign wants to be associated with.

    [ Parent ]
    You don't tell me the message... (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:52:25 PM EST
    to be on.  I will choose.  

    [ Parent ]
    I'm not telling you what message to be on (none / 0) (#139)
    by AF on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:18:11 PM EST
    But the whole reason we're having this discussion is that this group sent out misleading mailers and some folks are accusing the Clinton campaign of voter suppression.

    If you want to the Clinton campaign to take credit for these folks, that's your right, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    [ Parent ]

    Sigh... (none / 0) (#154)
    by tree on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:34:13 PM EST
    Now the story is that they sent out "misleading mailers'???? Wrong. There have been ambiguous robocalls that have confused some people about the purpose of the mailers. There have been absolutely no complaints about the mailers, which have been successfully returned by tens of thousands of people resulting in increased voter rolls.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, misleading calls (none / 0) (#158)
    by AF on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:36:33 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Exactly! (none / 0) (#121)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:58:17 PM EST
    Even accepting it was an honest mistake, it's hardly something the Clinton campaign wants to be associated with.

    Especially since the organization is so transparent!

    Gahhhhhhh!  Make it stop!

    [ Parent ]

    Jeralyn, Is That You (none / 0) (#132)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:08:47 PM EST
    Did you change your user name to AF?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Marco21 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:18:06 PM EST
    I am also confused. If this groups purpose is to get women to vote and they're sending misleading info to  women, how in the hell does this help evil, evil, evil Hillary?

    Someone spiked the mix at the Orange Julius - again.

    Isn't the organization (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:18:54 PM EST
    Women Vote.. ?  OK, why is it that every time Obama takes a hit, this conspiracy stuff comes up.  Doesn't all that twisting hurt?  BTW, I didn't know it went to 'you know where' or I wouldn't have gone... but there are 710 comments on this piece.  710 comments!  People are just freaking out over the oddest stuff.  Someone's gonna have a huge hangover when this is all done.

    Where is the shower? (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by tamens on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:23:13 PM EST
    I just clicked through the link and am in need of hosing off.  

    Daily Kos is now my daily dose of WTF?  Registering voters is a bad thing.  Blue is green.  Up is down.  The world has truly gone insane.

    Yum, kool-aid.

    This is just another example (5.00 / 5) (#53)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:23:38 PM EST
    of how the so-called progressive blogosphere does not take womens' issues seriously.

    The stated goal of these registration efforts is to help women register to vote in the general election, in order to promote issues like universal health care, the lack of which disproportionately affects unmarried women.

    Clearly, having these women vote would give them a bigger voice. You know, womens' voices, womens' votes?

    These so-called progressive bloggers are quite simply, disgusting.

    Yep, the General Election... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by alexei on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:27:12 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I noticed that thw left's least objective (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by MarkL on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:25:07 PM EST
    blogger had something non-inflammatory (cough cough) to say about the subject:
    Have a Bob Johnson on the house!

    She'll do ANYTHING to win (5.00 / 6) (#60)
    by goldberry on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:27:27 PM EST
    Will nothing stop her?!

    Even I never (5.00 / 7) (#70)
    by DaytonDem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:34:10 PM EST
    thought the Clinton campaign would stoop to registering likely democratic voters for the fall.

    [ Parent ]
    No, Nothing. Her bus does not have a all bunch of (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by feet on earth on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:37:03 PM EST
    people under it, slowing her down. They sit on it, registering to vote.  Eh, eh, eh ...

    [ Parent ]
    Isn't Registering Single Women Good for Democrats (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by BDB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:27:53 PM EST
    I thought part of the general election strategy was to register single women.  

    And do we know WVWV was even trying to make the primary deadline.  Maybe unlike the rest of us, they are simply focused on trying to get women registered to vote in the general election and believe that now is a good time since there's so much focus on politics in North Carolina.  I can believe that could be confusing, but do we care if a woman who is likely to be a democrat gets registered too late for the primary if she votes in the general election.  Sure, it would be better if she could participate in both, but isn't it still better to get her registered.  Indeed, I'd think Obama would prefer single women (at least non-AAs) not vote in the primary and only vote in the GE.  

    But, of course, I'm trying to take a progressive organization at its word instead of seeing nefarious Hillary maneuvering.  

    I'm confused... (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:29:09 PM EST
    Is this a problem because the group has made a bit of a jumble of a couple voter registration drives?

    Or is this a problem because they are trying to get people, specifically unmarried women, registered?

    If it's the former, there was no need for DH to bring up the HRC factor.

    Based on the quote (5.00 / 6) (#87)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:43:56 PM EST
    the latter.

    That is the point of my disgust with the quote.

    Obama Cultists will defend it however.

    [ Parent ]

    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by kredwyn on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:57:32 PM EST
    Solved a BTD koan! :)

    [ Parent ]
    Haven't they heard (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:30:08 PM EST
    that the best defense is a good offense? Please, please, please form a nonprofit and register some prime Obama supporters to vote.

    Please!  Registering people to vote is never offensive (okay, I'll say Dems-for-a-day is offensive) but the rest is just great.
    Great, I tell you!  Rah-rah!

    Oh come on! (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by lilybart on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:36:04 PM EST
    All DEMS want these people to register because they will vote heavy DEM.

    But why are they calling AA and White men? Are they just incompetent?

    They have been in serious trouble in other states over their calls and the confusion they cause. This is a case where it might be best to find out the WHOLE story which will happen soon.

    Stop changing the subject (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:42:18 PM EST
    this quote makes clear that not ALL DEMS wants women registered.

    That is the point of my post. It is outrageous.

    [ Parent ]

    The quote is from some poster (none / 0) (#213)
    by lilybart on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:17:08 PM EST
    it is not included in the diary referenced at Kos.

    So, now whole front page entries at TL are based on some jerk's comment???  It is one thing to call out a diarist but focusing on one quote from some anonymous poster is ridiculous.

    The person who wrote the comment is an idiot also because the reports say that this group was so bad at getting mailing lists that they were not calling unregistered unmarried women, but it looks like random names from a phonebook or something.  So the point the idiot commenter was making is not even a point.

    [ Parent ]

    Should be pretty simple (none / 0) (#155)
    by AlSmith on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:34:17 PM EST

    Since the premise is that the group is beneficial to Hillary, therefor they must also have expanded their mandate to benefiting her by any means possible, wouldn't it be rather easy to compare the mailer received by black etc and those received by women?

    If the mailers have the same or similar information then the organization couldnt have been intended this intentionally.

    Of course that would have caused Kos to wait an extra day before jumping to a conclusion.

    [ Parent ]

    An extra day? (none / 0) (#171)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:48:32 PM EST
    More like an extra second!

    The fact that the organization has been around for years and is focused on the GE, not the primaries, seems to escaped the Daily Obama.

    Unless we could read their concern as...an admission that HRC will be the nominee, and that the Obama bloggers are now pledging that they will do everything they can to elect McCain!!!1111!!!


    [ Parent ]

    Also... (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Addison on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:44:33 PM EST
    ...just for fun, I'm pretty sure the statement is just factually wrong, as well. I bet older married white women are actually her strongest demographic. Younger, single white women -- read: out of high school, college-bound, or 20-somethings -- would be more likely to go for Obama than their married grandmothers.

    It's also confusing since the problem here -- insomuch as there might be a problem -- was not that the group was registering a Hillary demographic. It was that non-Hillary voters would be suppressed. Any worth this story has hinges on the group SUPPRESSING votes, and specifically suppressing BLACK votes. So the passage quoted is irrelevant. For any reasonable purpose anyway, I won't speak to unreasonable ones.

    The unreasonable ones (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:50:13 PM EST
    are the basis of my objection.

    [ Parent ]
    As they should be. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Addison on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:53:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    From the group itself their explanation (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:59:09 PM EST
    And the quote (none / 0) (#124)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:01:15 PM EST
    deliberately misstates the focus of the group as being registration for the primaries, not the GE.

    That's some really awesum resarch!!!!!!11111

    [ Parent ]

    Confusing, (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:53:13 PM EST
    but not nefarious.

    I thought Obamans were all about going to the website for clarification! Come on, go there and spend just a few seconds. It's quite obvious that they are all about getting unmarried women to vote.

    That goal should always be embraced and applauded by liberals and progressives.


    [ Parent ]

    And? (none / 0) (#207)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:09:44 PM EST
    Please read what Mike Lux, Obama supporter and Board member, has to say.

    There is no there there.

    [ Parent ]

    There is a transcript of the calls now? (nt) (none / 0) (#168)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:45:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Thanks (nt) (none / 0) (#198)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:35:24 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You would lose your bet. There are tons of (none / 0) (#162)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:39:22 PM EST
    not-young single women.

    [ Parent ]
    Right... (none / 0) (#166)
    by Addison on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:43:20 PM EST
    ...but I'm not talking about absolute numbers. I'm clearly talking about what Clinton's best demographic is against Obama. And I bet it's older married women rather than unmarried women (young and old) as a group.

    [ Parent ]
    What's even funnier (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by facta non verba on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:53:03 PM EST
    is that they tagged this story with a "voter suppression" tag when it is just the opposite. But they are desperate to find something to take the heat off Wright. Yesterday didn't work I think. It is still in the news cycle.

    They jumped on Mike Easley for using the word "pansy" yesterday. And called on Hillary to "reject and denounce" Mike Easley for his gay slur. His crime was "Rocky Balboa was a pansy compared to Hillary Clinton." I don't know but I am gay and I don't see the slur. These people are so PC it disgusts me. This is one reason I worry about free speech under Obama.

    What I find funny is that they are (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by Florida Resident on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:55:39 PM EST
    selectively PC.  To say someone is a pansy is Gay Bashing but to say that a whole demographic is Bitter and clinging is not Elitist.

    [ Parent ]
    Well BTD this post has given me (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Florida Resident on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:53:05 PM EST
    the opportunity to see another form of WORM.  Let me marvel at WKRM(what Kos really meant).

    Storm in a teacup (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by cymro on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:32:58 PM EST
    But it helps to divert attention from news of Obama's continuing slide in the polls.

    The Pitchfork paTrolls swarmed Digby (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by Ellie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:42:16 PM EST
    Due to the fact that I was voted favorite female blogger by people who read their site and participated in their PSA encouraging women to vote, I have been inundated with angry emails demanding that I disavow Women's Voices Women's Vote for their "campaign to disenfranchise voters in North Carolina."

    First of all, I have no affiliation with Women's Voices Women's Vote. I was asked to do a little Public Service Announcement last fall and there was nothing partisan about it. I did not do it to "pimp Hillary" as one of my concern trolls so pithily put it. Neither did I think there was any need to investigate or "vet" a well known organization that registers women to vote. So no, I didn't look into them to find out if I should agree to "lend my name to voter disenfranchisement." The production company asked and I said yes.

    I had nothing to do with the contest other than noting on my site that I had been nominated and that I'd won. If they have some sort of devious political agenda, I'm completely unaware of it. I know absolutely nothing about these robo calls. [... more ...] (digby 4/30/2008 10:23:00 AM)

    (embedded link within quoted portion left off due to formatting)

    OMG. (5.00 / 1) (#178)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:56:05 PM EST
    These people have completely freaking lost their minds.

    Leave Digby Aloooooooooneeeeee!!!!!

    The He-Man Woman-Haters' Club strikes again.

    [ Parent ]

    Hope she isn't forced to shut down her comments (none / 0) (#205)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:58:18 PM EST
    again.

    When she was accused of being a "closet" Hillary supporter, she was Obamabot swarmed, and they do not say nice things to those who are perceived as not having "seen the light"!

    [ Parent ]

    Anyone who does not respect Digby (none / 0) (#206)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:06:50 PM EST
    is a complete schmuck.

    The woman is brilliant. You don't have to agree with her, but give credit where credit is due.

    [ Parent ]

    She became my Billmon replacement as (none / 0) (#209)
    by jawbone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:12:19 PM EST
    must go to blog.

    (I still miss Billmon. Sob.)

    [ Parent ]

    Even if the registration date for a primary (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by Anne on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:45:15 PM EST
    has passed, a registration for the general election would still be valid, and I think this is where the confusion comes into play.

    From what I hear, the information in the phone calls did not make this clear, and I'm hard-pressed to understand why an organization that would think to provide stamped return envelopes would not think to make sure their messages did not alarm or confuse people.

    Obama summer voter program (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by jedimom on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:12:49 PM EST
    But I thought Obama was organizing thousand of volunteers to spend their summer vacation from school going door to door and registering voters..he just doenst want women..

    he slammed the pro Edwards 527 and then one ran for him
    then he slammed another one in OH then they ran a bunch for him in PA
    now he slams another one

    just take off the change and new button already cause he is like every other pol.


    BTW: (5.00 / 4) (#195)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:31:23 PM EST
    From Mike Lux, an OBAMA supporter who is on the board of this women voter's organization:

    just made aware of the controversy regarding Women's Voices. Women Vote.  (Disclosure: I am on their board.) I called Page Gardner and have had a quick conversation with her as well as seen the statement that she released.  I am completely confident that this was an accident. As far as I can tell, I think it was more a consequence of trying to move on 24 states in a short amount of time, and having nothing to do with the upcoming primary.

    Link

    Certain concern-tr-uh-Obama supporters need to leave the hallucinogenics out of the koolaid.

    Stoller at MyDD posts a complete refutation (5.00 / 1) (#217)
    by rilkefan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 05:59:40 PM EST
    of all the smears here via Digby.

    This (2.00 / 4) (#67)
    by BooMan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:31:56 PM EST
    has got to be the most dishonest thing you've ever posted, and you know how I feel about DHinMI.  

    You are seriously equating this campaign to confuse voters about the registration status that has been criticized in about a dozen states, that takes place always right before a primary and right after registration is closed, and you are suggesting that it is really about registering women to vote?

    How come it doesn't accomplish that task?  How come they use a male voice with a black sounding name?  How come they seem to target African-Americans, and even African-American men?  How come their information is consistently wrong and unhelpful?

    Give it up Armando. You've lost the last shred of your credibility.

    Did you even (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:39:39 PM EST
    go to the website?

    It's entitled "Women's Voices, Women's Votes."

    Somehow I think Armando's credibility remains intact.

    [ Parent ]

    What? Go the website? (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:42:39 PM EST
    What fun would that be?  What would they have to complain about then?

    There is something seriously wrong with some of these people.  

    [ Parent ]

    Are you kidding? (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:40:19 PM EST
    You, whose site was built upon the pie fight, seriously so in the tank that you have no problem with this?

    Imagine if I had writen a post which included an admonition to the NAACP because its efforts to register A-A voters was helpful to Barack Obama.

    I will leave your post up, simply because this is a perfect example of what being an Obama Cultist has done to you.

    It is not shocking of course. You choose to stand up for a post that decries voter registration efforts aimed at women. But as Miss Laura often stated, you never really had credibility as a feminist so you had none to shred.  

    [ Parent ]

    the problem is (none / 0) (#81)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:42:13 PM EST
    this quote contains NO "admonition" as you put it.

    and that is why this quote you are attacking makes no sense.

    once again like I have been asking now, where do you see an admonition to WVWV for trying to register women to vote?

    [ Parent ]

    What is the purpose of the quote? (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:43:03 PM EST
    Just some nonsequitor that popped in the post?

    You are ridiculous.  Simply ridiculous.

    [ Parent ]

    DHinMi's insinuation (3.50 / 2) (#99)
    by rilkefan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:52:03 PM EST
    is that since this org. is obviously pro-women-voting, it's pro-Clinton, so controlled by her or willing to do her dirty work, or liable to be the above, so it requires extra investigation (which a pro-Obama group wouldn't).  You're flat mistaken about the reference, but it's still bad.

    [ Parent ]
    Say what? (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:53:21 PM EST
    A pro-Clinton group because it registers women voters is exactly what he is saying and criticizing.

    though I must say your defense of it is just as damning.

    [ Parent ]

    You have no negative capability (none / 0) (#118)
    by rilkefan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:56:01 PM EST
    See it from DHinMI's perspective - the group is pro-Clinton, therefore suspect.  It's not bad to register women voters, it's suspicious to be pro-Clinton.  I'm  not defending the above stupidity, just trying to correct your reading.

    [ Parent ]
    Excuse me (none / 0) (#129)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:07:14 PM EST
    If I had written A-A voter registration efforts were suspect because they help Obama, I would rightly and loudly be denounced for such a racist sentiment.

    this is a sexist sentiment that no progressive should even be explaining much less defending.

    [ Parent ]

    You're demanding more logic from DHinMI (none / 0) (#194)
    by rilkefan on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:27:11 PM EST
    than he's prepared to provide in this context.  He's being stupid and paranoid, not sexist.

    And the explaining crack is beneath you.

    [ Parent ]

    The test to winnow Real Women from Fembots ... (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Ellie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:20:58 PM EST
    ... must be fascinating. I see a two-tiered sort: the free range women with independent brain functions, and the ones whose Artificial Intelligence taps directly into the HRC campaign Hive Mind.

    Presumably the latter can be adjusted with 1/4 turn of the screwdriver and resetting the switches.

    As for the first category ... well I hate to think what would happen if those women got a hold of a ballot and were left alone with it somewhere, a voter's booth, say.

    [ Parent ]

    now had you asked (3.00 / 2) (#95)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:49:30 PM EST
    what does this quote mean, I would say you are right its kinda confusing on whats its implying

    but YOU made this diary you are putting what YOU say it assumes all over the place. so I asked you where did you get this was about its bad to register women to vote? where did the diarist suggest that?

    to me the diarist was pointing out this was a pro-hillary group which becomes meaningful when you read into what this group has been up too.

    but you say its about women registering to vote is bad and I asked how?

    DHMI is basically asking what is this groups actual intentions with what they have been doing. NOT suggesting that registering women to vote is bad.

    [ Parent ]

    I have an idea. (5.00 / 3) (#102)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:52:24 PM EST
    DHMI is basically asking what is this groups actual intentions with what they have been doing. NOT suggesting that registering women to vote is bad.

    Why don't you and DH go to the website and see what they're up to?

    [ Parent ]

    I love how they brag (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:55:48 PM EST
    about their hours and hours of research on DK, but none of them seem to have actually, you know...looked at the website.

    "You keep saying that word, research. I do not think it means what you think it means."

    [ Parent ]

    Just Like The Great Research This Same FP Poster (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:20:35 PM EST
    did when she wrote a post d@mning Hillary for campaigning in Florida. When called on it, the excuse given was that after seeing these accusations in other diaries she accepted it as fact.

    [ Parent ]
    Um (5.00 / 3) (#109)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:54:07 PM EST
    He said their intention was to register women voters and that helps Hillary therefore it is ipso facto nefarious.

    [ Parent ]
    You think Obama would be interested (none / 0) (#133)
    by Fabian on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:10:09 PM EST
    in reacing out to 50+% of all voters, wouldn't you?

    Sorry - don't know what percentage of that 50+% is unmarried.  20+%?

    [ Parent ]

    Well... (none / 0) (#148)
    by Addison on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:28:03 PM EST
    ...I think you're reading causation into the statement when there's just a correlation. To alter your quote to make it more what DHinMI probably meant:

    He said their intention was to register women voters and that helps Hillary therefore [they are a likely pro-Clinton group] therefore [any potential] ipso facto nefarious [dealings by this group would likely be to benefit Clinton].

    Though, I've stated elsewhere why this interjection in the post was irrelevant to any possible worth the story has, factually and demographically incorrect, and included for no good reason.

    [ Parent ]

    The quote begins (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by pie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM EST
    "It should be pointed out..."

    Really?  Why?  

    [ Parent ]

    actually it starts with (none / 0) (#97)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:50:32 PM EST
    [Promoted by DHinMI: Robocalls i