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Superdelegate Endorsements Today

Nice get for Obama. Baron Hill is a conservative Dem in the hard fought (it has flipped in each of the last three elections) Southern Indiana 9th District. I assume that absent the repudiation of Rev. Wright, this would not have been publically announced.

Clinton picked up the endorsement of Bill George, President of the PA AFL-CIO and Rep. Braley of Iowa came out for Obama.

Update (TL): If there are more today, we'll update here.

Chelsea gets her mom a new superdelegate:

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Chelsea Clinton just bagged a superdelegate for her mother. The youngest Clinton is campaigning today in San Juan, Puerto Rico. A few moments ago, at the Universidad del Sagrado Corazon, Luisette Cabanas, an unpledged superdelegate, announced her support for Clinton, giving the campaign the majority of automatic** delegates on the island.

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    Funny, I was listening to NPR (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by rooge04 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:23:21 AM EST
    this morning and they mentioned casually that Easley endorsed HRC. Then they did a whole on-the-field report about a State Rep in KY that endorsed Obama. I thought that was funny. The governor gets a passing mention and the state rep gets a whole interview.  

    NPR=MSNBC (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:27:25 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I know. It just never (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by rooge04 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:31:24 AM EST
    ceases to amaze me, I suppose. It shouldn't.

    [ Parent ]
    To be fair (none / 0) (#34)
    by Marvin42 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:49:17 AM EST
    They have been much more balanced. Although the last month I am starting to see a slight lean, but let's not get carried away, they ain't no MSNBC!

    [ Parent ]
    That's MY Congressman (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by BGP on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:38:45 AM EST
    and I'm not very happy about it. We only have two Democratic Congressmen in Kentucky and both have gone Obama. Not sure why when the latest SUSA poll shows Clinton up by 36 points here. I've written an angry letter.

    I, too, have perceived NPR in the pocket for Obama. Now there's this thing with Rudin yesterday calling Clinton Glenn Close in Fatal Attaction. I'm listening to a lot more music these days.

    [ Parent ]

    Why? (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Davidson on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:49:44 AM EST
    $$$

    [ Parent ]
    Obama gave him lots of money (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by FlaDemFem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:32:06 AM EST
    through Obama's PAC. This page lists the donations by both PACs to members of the Senate and the House. According to this, Obama's PAC has given $12,250 to Hill. Hillary gave him $2500. Hillary got outbid for the endorsement. Who says Obama is about "new style politics"?

    [ Parent ]
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhh............ (none / 0) (#92)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:36:40 AM EST
    Makes sense.

    [ Parent ]
    I did wonder (none / 0) (#177)
    by BGP on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:42:15 PM EST
    whether money might be involved, but my Congressman who endorsed Obama, Ben Chandler, isn't listed on the PAC page.

    rooge04, I don't think he's too dumb. He's a bluedog who manages to be successful in a state run by Mitch McConnell. But I did think the endorsement was sort of odd.

    [ Parent ]

    He didn't sound like (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by rooge04 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:51:58 AM EST
    the brightest bulb either. Said something like "If so and so can endorse him, so can I." No actual reason was given. Not even the old adage of changing how things are done in Washington!

    [ Parent ]
    Your congessman Hill (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by gabbyone on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:56:06 AM EST
    I just talked to a cousin in the same district you are and she was really surprised by Hill. She said her friends think he is pandering to the Bloomington area.  In her community, she said
    people were not buying the 20 year connection to Wright and although she didn't think they were high on Hillary either, most people seem to be
    choosing her over Obama.  She did say a lot of
    them will probably vote McCain in November.

    [ Parent ]
    KO Gave Rudin A "Worst Person" Award (none / 0) (#37)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:52:21 AM EST
    for that statement.  I was surprised since he is so in the tank for obama.

    [ Parent ]
    KO is a total hypocrite (none / 0) (#145)
    by Xeno on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:19:23 PM EST
    After all the vicious nonsense he has spewed about Hillary, from that idiotic "Special comment" to calling for a Super Delegate to beat her into submission, KO has no right to berate anyone else. Was there any substantive difference between Rudin's comment and what KO said last week, which many took to be a call for violence (and perhaps murder) against Clinton?

    KO is now worse than O'Reilly, in my opinion. He is more slanted, more bombastic, more self-righteously hypocritical and far less self aware than his nemesis. His use of Murrow's sign-off is a denigration of a great journalist's legacy.

    [ Parent ]

    The norm (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by stefystef on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:41:28 AM EST
    Any endorsement for Hillary is treated passively, but Obama endorsements are heralded and lauded like a knight bowing to a king.

    Hillary is going to get more endorsements.  And IN will still go to Hillary.  

    The Magical Mystery Tour is coming to a halt...

    [ Parent ]

    Magical Mystery Tour (none / 0) (#99)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:39:17 AM EST
    wiping my coffee off

    Good one.

    I agree.  Newt Gingrich thinks she'll take the nomination.  :)

    Said so right on The View.

    I laughed.  I think she will.  I think we're about to see phase 3.

    Hillary is working the "vote for a Dem" storyline like mad.  :)

    [ Parent ]

    I emailed NRPs Ombudsman ( a woman actually) (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by suisser on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:53:00 AM EST
    in March to protest specific instances of blatant pandering to the Obama campaign and got back a reply including a email circulated in January within NPR whining about how HRC had been "rude" to the producers about scheduling interviews.
    It was unbelievable. I was very disappointed.

    [ Parent ]
    I emailed the ombudsman yesterday. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Iphie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:11:24 AM EST
    This is the response I got. There's just too much to comment on here, (starting with "before the Hillary campaign and Media Matters made a big deal about it" -- 'cause you know, the problem is the response to the statement, not the statement itself), and the email doesn't address my biggest problem with his statement (the pervasive violent imagery used against Clinton) so I'll just present it as is.
    Below is a response from Mr. Rudin regarding his recent comment;

    I'm sorry you interpreted my comment as offensive. It's not what I was saying. Below is a copy of a note I sent to someone yesterday morning, before the Hillary campaign and Media Matters made a big deal about it:

    Dear __________,

    On second thought, the comparison is not one I wish I had made. I was, in retrospect, trying to be too cute by half. Frankly, I'm tired of the "when will Hillary drop out" conversations that have been going on since New Hampshire -- as in, well, if she loses NH, she's finished. If she loses Ohio, or Texas, she's gone. I wanted to make the point that she's not leaving the race anytime soon, nor should she. She wins in Pennsylvania by ten points and people still want to know when she's getting out? Nonsense. But I think, as you point out, that I damaged my case by making an unfortunate Glenn Close comparison.

    In my heart of hearts, I didn't see, and I don't see, my comment as being sexist. If anything, I was trying to make the point that sorry, you're not going to get rid of her. This is only the seventh inning. This race hasn't been going on "too long." In fact, these states -- Indiana, NC, Oregon, etc. -- haven't been part of the conversation for decades. Let the people have their say and then we'll see who should drop out.

    This will be part of my "Political Junkie" column this week.

    Anyway, you now have a bird's eye view of my thought processes, imperfect as they were. I would love to continue this conversation if you have any desire.

    Ken



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    So he's still tring to have his waffle (none / 0) (#95)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:37:20 AM EST
    too.  So is he going on NPR to apologize?

    What a jerk.  I'm sorry for his constituents.

    [ Parent ]

    Jeez (none / 0) (#172)
    by litigatormom on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:26:23 PM EST
    An "unfortunate comparison" to an infamous bunny-boiling female stalker was made. One for which Mr. Rudin himself bears no responsibility.

    Just like "mistakes were made" by no one in particular about Iraq, Katrina, etc.

    [ Parent ]

    NPR did do a great piece on (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by bjorn on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:53:10 AM EST
    Clinton this morning, following her from the Governor's endorsement in N.C. to several stops in Indiana, the whole piece was about how hard she is working, how many hours she puts in, the press can't keep up with her.  Their piece on Obama was about Wright, blah blah but to me the take away was that Clinton is a hard worker and a fighter, Obama, not so much!

    [ Parent ]
    NPR are so in the tank for Clinton then! (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by JoeA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:09:06 AM EST
    heh.

    [ Parent ]
    Wonder who's got more machine behind them (none / 0) (#38)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:52:26 AM EST
    for getting out the vote:  the guv or the rep?

    [ Parent ]
    She got a lot of attention (none / 0) (#58)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:13:11 AM EST
    the day before.  Of course, Obama supporting writers focused on the pansy party.  :)

    [ Parent ]
    Actually it was touching (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by Marvin42 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:19:24 AM EST
    Because remember how they were all up in arms in SC when Obama had McClurkin campaigning? They were screaming for him to stop it, that it was offensive to the GLB community. So I understand why the "pansy" comment is so bad.

    BTW in case its not obvious I am being totally snarky here. The hypocrisy of the Obama supporters on this is cutting the oxygen to my brain.

    [ Parent ]

    LOL* (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:40:43 AM EST
    Doesn't matter.  Voters vote.  And he's a race-car driver.

    NC understands all about their own governor.  Race car drivers get to be politically incorrect.

    Sorry, but that's just the way of the world.  :)

    [ Parent ]

    You're kidding, right? (none / 0) (#67)
    by HeadScratcher on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:18:40 AM EST
    Yesterday (Tuesday) was all about Hillary and the endoresement, etc...

    Let's face it: Nothing is ever good enough for those we support and nothing is ever bad enough for those we don't support.

    [ Parent ]

    I am not kidding (none / 0) (#80)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:24:14 AM EST
    I stopped listening to NPR because they seemed totally in the tank for Obama to me.
    maybe they have reconsidered.
    maybe I will visit again after the election.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, I'm still not finished (none / 0) (#104)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:41:38 AM EST
    discussing how the tide has turned.  :)

    I loved those few days.  

    [ Parent ]

    NPR has been (none / 0) (#74)
    by Andy08 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:20:57 AM EST
    doing biased reporting for a while, Michelle Norris, Michelle Martin, Neal Conan; even Maura Liason. It's sad; I have even stop listening to them.

    Steve Inskeep is okay; the only one so far hasn't dive into the Obama lovefest.

    [ Parent ]

    Par for the course.... (none / 0) (#78)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:23:40 AM EST
    but perhaps for different reasons now that the three-ring-circus taking place between O and his pastor is shedding a different light on the HOPE, UNITY, NOT-A-POLITICIAN Obama. This dirty-laundry tossing at each other, is unprecedentedly the lowest of the lowest in modern political history. Yet the media, after having put themselves (happily) out on a limb for their annointed candidate, can not loose face so drastically, never mind their integrity as journalists, which has eroded with each out turn of this, charismatic but very flimsy on issues, opportunistic candidate. So goes the prestige of those up to now, seemingly rational politicians who have endorsed him. I don't think they want to take the fall.
     

    [ Parent ]
    "lowest in modern political history" (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:25:06 AM EST
    oh man
    how old ARE you?

    [ Parent ]
    Whaaa??? (none / 0) (#91)
    by blogtopus on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:34:58 AM EST
    I second Capt Howdy:

    Surely you can come to grips with the idea that there have been political races you weren't involved in that happened perhaps before you were born, right?

    This political season is one of the tamer ones, and for this reason when real politics rears its ugly (but familiar) head, it makes it seem much worse than the kid-gloving it actually is.

    Hillary has been COMPLETELY holding back, kitchen sink imagery aside. She realizes that destroying Obama would make him a victim and would end her campaign. She's been walking the knife's edge for a few months now, and getting the feel for a massive campaign in her name. She'll be ready when she wins the nomination.

    [ Parent ]

    You are (none / 0) (#127)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:58:57 AM EST
    correct, but there are ways for them to turn the corner.

    These are professionals.

    They'll find the way.

    Hillary has to do her part, too.  She has to give them the "right stuff" to work with, and she is doing her job in that regard.

    I like to read Maureen Dowd for a cue on this.  She's so .... transparent?  Is that a fair word?

    Anyway, Maureen is noting how bored Obama is.  She said last night that he looked as though he'd like to be a "past president" already.  :)

    Her analysis today of his emotional background was actually quite devastating.  It not only humanized Obama, it made him look as though he needs a good 12-step program to recover.  *haha

    So there are hard-core pros who know how to navigate these waters.

    I'm watching to see them slowly spin out of Obamamania.

    [ Parent ]

    That's his pattern (none / 0) (#148)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:26:14 PM EST
    "Anyway, Maureen is noting how bored Obama is.  She said last night that he looked as though he'd like to be a "past president" already.  :)"

    He doesn't stay in any one job long before he's off to his next "ambition".  I've thought all along that he is desperate to reach the place Bill Clinton is in his life, which is why he broke his promise to Illinois and isn't even doing his job in the Senate, let alone wanting to give them their full 6 years.

    I fear if Obama were to get all the way to the Whitehouse, he'd be bored after 1.5 years and start writing his memoirs...of course, those would be as fictional as his autobiographical publications are, but this time the people would have witnessed the truth.


    [ Parent ]

    About Obama's memoirs (none / 0) (#166)
    by Cream City on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:08:06 PM EST
    I also have an aversion to those who write their life stories before they're 50.  And he's already done two autobiographies.  It's spelled massive e-g-o and turned me off as soon as I heard this.  I have other historical examples of guys who have done this, and they all ended up taking others down with them -- because it's all about them, not about others.

    [ Parent ]
    Lowest in modern political history? (none / 0) (#173)
    by litigatormom on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:29:43 PM EST
    I wish.

    Is it possible that events that occurred in my 52 year lifetime are no longer part of "modern political history"?

    If so, I'm sending myself to the glue factory.

    [ Parent ]

    Meting them out (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:28:42 AM EST
    One day at a time....

    Heh (5.00 / 6) (#10)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:32:54 AM EST
    I love the sort of thinking which says that Obama could clinch the nomination today if he wanted to, but he prefers to strategically roll out the endorsements as slowly as possible just to let the process keep going.  Because, you know, the extended primary is doing Obama so much good.

    I guess it must be fun to believe that Obama is so masterful that he's able to toy with the entire process like this, because I can't think of any other reason why otherwise intelligent people would fall for this sort of gamesmanship.  Does no one remember the 50 superdelegates Obama supposedly had in his pocket back before TX and OH?

    I think this was the deal (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:34:36 AM EST
    for the Wright repudiation.

    Don't you?

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe (none / 0) (#21)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:40:56 AM EST
    I mean, it's sort of hard to believe Obama would have played it any differently if the Baron Hill endorsement were not at issue.  I could certainly see someone like Hill waiting to see how the Wright issue plays out before announcing his endorsement.

    I actually think the Hill endorsement is pretty telling because the guy is putting his money where his mouth is, in terms of declaring who he'd like to have at the top of the ticket as he seeks reelection in the ultimate swing district.  There have been plenty of endorsements from Congressfolks of that profile, but mostly prior to the Wright controversy.  When he says he'd rather run on the Obama ticket - Wright and all - than the Clinton ticket, even at this point in the game, that says a lot to me.

    [ Parent ]

    Clueless (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by Davidson on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:53:55 AM EST
    When he says he'd rather run on the Obama ticket - Wright and all - than the Clinton ticket, even at this point in the game, that says a lot to me.

    That he's clueless about how the media and the GOP will rip him to the shreds in the GE?  Obama will not win the GE, no matter what person comes out for him.  After this primary season, the lack of basic understanding of this fact amongst so many top Dems doesn't surprise me.  Disturbs the hell out of me, but doesn't surprise me.

    [ Parent ]

    I think the problem is (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:57:05 AM EST
    you are assuming its a fact. that could be why you are disturbed that other people don't share in your opinion.

    [ Parent ]
    Right, that's it! (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Davidson on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:19:01 AM EST
    Me and my silly opinions.  They're not remotely based reality.  I take it back.  Obama will win!  Win, I tell you!  It's not like McCain isn't adored by the media and the GOP doesn't have a track record for being absolutely ruthless!  Heavens no.

    Obama, a man whose based his entire campaign on himself rather than substance, experience, or policy (smart considering he's a novice in experience and anemic in actual accomplishment), and whose close, long-term associations to Wright and his church, Rezco, Chicago machine politics, and Ayers won't blow up in his face, proving lethal to a blank canvas candidate.  Especially against the mythical maverick, McCain, a damn war hero.

    I'm disturbed not because people don't share my pitiful little opinion, but because we, as a country, cannot afford another Republican administration and Obama will hand it over on a silver platter.  Hint: When MA--the bluest of blue states--becomes a battleground after the Bush years for crying out loud, it spells absolute disaster.  Don't take my opinion for it, check out SUSA polls (Mind you, these polls are before the GOP truly takes on Obama, with the media in tow).

    [ Parent ]

    Correction (none / 0) (#73)
    by Davidson on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:20:39 AM EST
    All those associations will blow up in his face.

    Oh, and the reckless lying about everything under the sun.

    [ Parent ]

    Can see the ads now (none / 0) (#152)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:35:54 PM EST
    With all those denials, then admissions, then denials again, followed by the "can't denounce", "would denounce if", "divorce". Those are just the Obama clips...then just slide in the Wright statements.

    He can't handle it, and Axelrod won't be able to continue using the Republican tactics for his own benefit..

    [ Parent ]

    Of course (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:42:28 AM EST
    What I meant was Hill said if you do it I will publically endorse you. Of course Obama was not just looking at Hill's endorsement.

    [ Parent ]
    Sure (none / 0) (#128)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:00:42 PM EST
    I do.  The fact that he can talk Hill into it is also to his credit.

    Personally?  Big deal.

    [ Parent ]

    Both campaigns certainly have some (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by JoeA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:12:32 AM EST
    super delegates in their back pockets where they can control the timing of any announcements to try to manage news cycles.  I think to believe otherwise is naive.  

    On the other hand, obviously if Obama had enough to seal the deal right now that were actually willing to announce their support then he would do go ahead and announce them.

    [ Parent ]

    first (none / 0) (#16)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:37:28 AM EST
    no one says he can clinch now, just when you add the rest of the delegates from the states to vote, and the projected add ons, its easier to see Obama getting the 55 needed for 2,025 then hillary getting the almost 200 more supes she needs to hit it.

    but yeah tomorrow right tomorrow is the day the supers start coming out for Hillary!

    [ Parent ]

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Steve M on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:42:41 AM EST
    "No one says he can clinch now."  Tell me, do you really think the Obama supporters on the blogs are doing nothing more than going around claiming that it's easier to see Obama winning the nomination than Hillary?  How stupid do you think I am?

    [ Parent ]
    I didn't say he wouldn't clinch (none / 0) (#30)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:44:59 AM EST
    I said no one is saying tomorrow Obama will have what he needs to be the nominee, hence the NOW.

    Obama will Clinch but he needs the rest of the states to vote to get their delegates, as someone else noted here Obama is now tracking the delegates he needs to win

    288 to go, he will get 75-100 of those just on tuesday alone

    [ Parent ]

    LOL. Yes. (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by rooge04 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:44:21 AM EST
    He gets closer to the magic number every day. That magic number neither one of the can reach until the supers all decide. If they are all behind him what are they waiting for??

    [ Parent ]
    No no you don't get it (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Marvin42 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:47:34 AM EST
    Because if you stop dead short 1 mm from the finish line you have won IF you got there before the person who actually CROSSES the finish line! ;)

    [ Parent ]
    Since when does Obama (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:40:09 AM EST
    Only need 55 more?

    [ Parent ]
    They always forget (none / 0) (#101)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:40:36 AM EST
    those silly voters in FL/MI.

    With their delegates, the count looketh quite different.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama needs 293 to clinch (none / 0) (#113)
    by magster on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:48:59 AM EST
    and is projected (by Open Left) to pick up 241 pledged delegates in the upcoming elections. Obama actually only needs 52 of the remaining 293 superdelegates (17.74%).

    [ Parent ]
    Ah yes (none / 0) (#149)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:30:15 PM EST
    The magic eightball again.

    [ Parent ]
    More from Bowers (none / 0) (#151)
    by magster on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:32:38 PM EST
    "Obama already leads Clinton 2-1 in superdelegate endorsements today, and rumors are circling that a few more superdelegates will also endorse Obama today. Then again, we have heard that before about Obama, and the rumor comes from George Stephanopolous, so take it for what it is worth.

    Clinton leads 260-241 in superdelegates right now, outside of Florida and Michigan. Throw in the Pelosi Club, and that drops to 259-247. Throw in vacancies (Obama +5) and projected add-ons (Obama +33 Clinton +22), and Clinton's lead disappears entirely."  


    [ Parent ]

    Assuming, of course (none / 0) (#155)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:41:13 PM EST
    that none of his current supers change their minds when he loses a few more critical democratic states.  People keep forgetting that the supers don't vote until convention and anything can happen between now and then.

    There is a good change this nomination is going to require calling in the super supers.

    [ Parent ]

    Here's A Question (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by BDB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:55:52 AM EST
    I know why Hill is endorsing now, Indiana.  But are the ones that aren't from upcoming primary states trickling out of camp Obama folks he's had and been waiting to use (say after losses Tuesday or after West Virginia) and has decided to roll them out now to try to counter the bad press?  That's my suspicion because I seriously doubt some undecided Congressman from Iowa has watched the past week and thought, "now's the time to get behind him."

    Unlike Bill Richardson (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by rooge04 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:59:32 AM EST
    who always seems to jump too late.

    [ Parent ]
    Understatement, (none / 0) (#97)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:38:36 AM EST
    thy name is BDB. LOL

    [ Parent ]
    Endorsements, Schmendorsements (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:11:24 AM EST
    I like what Elizabeth Edwards said.  Endorsements mean NOTHING because the infighting continues.  Yes the super's endorsements count towards their nom, but other than that, so what?

    So what?

    If I were running for office I would rather have the endorsement of the American people...LOTS of them.  I guess if an elected leader can help GOTV, that would help, but it doesn't moreso than not.

    See Massachusetts for details.

    Another Super for Clinton ..... (5.00 / 4) (#103)
    by Annie M on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:41:17 AM EST

    Chelsea Clinton just bagged a superdelegate for her mother. The youngest Clinton is campaigning today in San Juan, Puerto Rico. A few moments ago, at the Universidad del Sagrado Corazon, Luisette Cabanas, an unpledged superdelegate, announced her support for Clinton, giving the campaign the majority of automatic delegates on the island.

    Here's the link:

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/chelsea_picks_up_a_puerto_rico.php

    Go Chelsea! (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:49:19 AM EST
    What a nice Mother's Day present for HRC. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    And Obama Matches with Lois Capp of California (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by BDB on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:57:29 AM EST
    This is why I think Obama has had these SDs all along.  He's simply needing to use them now so it doesn't look like there's been a stampede in Clinton's direction the last few days.  Otherwise, I'm supposed to believe that mere minutes after Clinton bags one, Obama supposedly bags one.  And on the day after the big Wright kerfluffle.  Riiiiight.  

    I don't think Clinton had them all along or at least not all of them.  Not because I think she's above holding them back, but because when there was all that talk about her dropping out, rolling out a few of these would've helped.  

    Here's Ambinder on Capp.

    [ Parent ]

    I agree. (none / 0) (#130)
    by madamab on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:02:26 PM EST
    These are new endorsements for HRC.

    There's no way she wouldn't have disclosed them during the WWTSBQ period before PA.

    [ Parent ]

    Re: Obama had these SD's all along .... (none / 0) (#144)
    by Annie M on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:18:49 PM EST
    It certainly is beginning to look that way.  I wonder how many more there are in that bag of tricks....

    [ Parent ]
    Capp (none / 0) (#168)
    by americanincanada on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:36:23 PM EST
    is Bill Burton's mother-in-law, this is one Obama has had in his pocket from the beginning. He was just waiting for the right time.

    [ Parent ]
    I have absolutely no idea... (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Universal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:48:50 AM EST
    ...how anyone thinks that Wright is behind Obama based on yesterday's poll-test-mandated press conference. What a joke.

    Here are a series of videos discussing Wright & Obama in the wake of said press conference:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=487

    MORE SDs announced (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by magster on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:03:26 PM EST
    per diarist at Kos

    Clinton received Luisette Cabanas from Puerto Rico, and Obama just announced Rep. Louis Capps from CA.

    Today's total, O-3, C-2

    Make that "Lois" Capps (none / 0) (#135)
    by magster on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:09:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    DON'T TRUST CNN OR MSNBC (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by snucky on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:06:35 PM EST
    for years i swore at foxnews but this year they have been by far more fair to hillary. matter of fact hillary will be on the o'rielly factir tonite and thursday night.

    I hope Hill will help (none / 0) (#2)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:26:51 AM EST
    also there are reports from the first endorsement today, that Obama had more supers that he would roll out probably 1 maybe more.

    Then Hillary got George so the Obama camp immediately responded with Hill, wonder if they are done for today or if they roll out more.

    1 thing is for sure, whenever Hillary gets an endorsement the Obama camp will respond with one of their own, to keep anyone from being able to say there is any movement to her.

    now at 10 supes for Obama since PA and 5 for Hillary, her PA delegate gains are down to 5

    you mean because of these SDs? Because I have not sen any change in the PD count out of PA.

    [ Parent ]
    yeah I am counting supers (none / 0) (#19)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:39:24 AM EST
    Hillary net gain in PA was 10 delegates, with 5 supers since then

    Obama has 10 supers since then, so since last week the delegate count has changed by 5, and Obama only gets closer to the magic number.

    the pop. vote won't be as convincing if she is still 150 delegates behind. well in my opinion it won't you will probably say it will, but I think the people who wrote these rules are more apt to follow the delegate count since that is how they set up the primaries in the rules they wrote.

    [ Parent ]

    Remember when SDs (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:02:09 AM EST
    were not legit delegates?  Remember that?  Funny how math and truth changes with time.  

    [ Parent ]
    Not only not legit, (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by NWHiker on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:07:47 AM EST
    Remember when they had to vote with the same way their districts did?

    [ Parent ]
    no I don't remember that (none / 0) (#49)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:08:16 AM EST
    I do remember the Obama camp arguing that super delegates shouldn't over turn the pledged delegate leader if thats what you mean.

    thats an argument he will make to the supers to convince them to endorse, and Hillary will make whatever argument she believes will get them to endorse her....

    and as I said yesterday they supers will use whatever metric they want, but me I tend to think that when they were writing these rules they said the delegates determine the nominee, so to me I think its only logical a good number of them will follow the rules they wrote and use the pledged delegate as their metric to decide who to endorse,

    if you disagree, thats great you are entitled to your own opinion, and we shall see who the supers endorse

    ok with you?

    [ Parent ]

    Nooo (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:11:18 AM EST
    There was a drive to not even count them in the running totals.

    Your memory is quite selective.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh please MY memory is selective? (none / 0) (#61)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:15:58 AM EST
    hillary has been trying to confuse how the 2 delegates are viewed, exactly what is an automatic delegate?

    obviously Obama did not want them in the running tally because he wants to point out that he is actually leading in PLEDGED delegates and these automatic delegates (seriously someone define them for me) shouldn't over turn that.

    Hillary wanted them both added together so that there was no difference between pledged and those independent delegates, so they can vote how they want. and this was ALSO when Hillary and her camp were all about the delegates deciding the nomination, remember? plenty of Interviews they gave, in the end it came down to delegates and supers were delegates too so they should be counted and boom Hillary was in the lead, no pledged delegates equal the will of the people argument for Obama if they are all grouped together.

    [ Parent ]

    Your memory is now bad (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:18:49 AM EST
    for example, you forgot that I am Big Tent Democrat not Hillary Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    you said my memory was (none / 0) (#83)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:27:56 AM EST
    bad because of an effort to keep supers out of the running total, I explained why what Hillary was doing made that necessary,

    now you can agree or disagree but do you honestly think I was confusing you with Hillary  really?

    so you didn't notice any effort on Hillary to down play pledged delegates and play up the supers? you weren't around for those "in the end its the delegates that decide the nomination?"

    right if you can't actually agree or disagree and just see the need to insult my intelligence then just don't waste your time replying me


    [ Parent ]

    the house of clinton has (none / 0) (#170)
    by cy street on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:54:01 PM EST
    no credibility on the distribution of super delegates.  she had ninety declared supers before a single caucus vote was cast in iowa.

    clearly, those supers were not abiding by any paradigm favorable to obama or clinton.  they marched to their own drum and nullified any debate on the "how" supers make up their mind.

    [ Parent ]

    huh, what? (none / 0) (#174)
    by Marvin42 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 02:48:15 PM EST
    They did exactly what they are empowered to do. They publicly stated who they backed. What are you saying exactly?

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, but the problem with pledged delegates (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by FlaDemFem on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:57:56 AM EST
    is that the pledge is only good until the first ballot at the convention. Then they can switch to the winner. And no matter what anyone says, the nomination is decided AT the convention. Nothing is set in stone until the convention votes. That is why it is so stupid for anyone to say that it will be decided in June, or whenever. The final say is at the convention, and only the votes cast at the convention count, no matter what anyone says beforehand.

    [ Parent ]
    First, let me admit.. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by NWHiker on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:16:10 AM EST
    I don't like the whole SD thing at all. Still, it's in place and as it stands, the SDs get to, and should, vote what they believe to be best for the Dem party (ok, and themselves, ha!).

    What I find amusing is that a few months back, there were rumbles, from Obama supporters about how SDs should have to vote with their districts.

    Personally, I think the popular vote should be the only metric. As a US citizen who grew up abroad, I didn't realise the Electoral College was important as any but a ceremonial rubber stamp until 2000 and was horrified to see the popular vote didn't matter. But that's not the topic of this thread!

    [ Parent ]

    Right, but if all the (none / 0) (#51)
    by independent voter on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:10:08 AM EST
    Super Ds were removed from the equation, Obama would have MORE of a lead than he does now. Not sure what your point is, exactly.

    [ Parent ]
    The point is (none / 0) (#59)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:14:53 AM EST
    making a big issue of each SD as an indication of victory.  Remember I count Florida and Michigan, so our base numbers may be different.  

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, (none / 0) (#72)
    by Iphie on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:19:28 AM EST
    and if all delegates were removed from the equation, and we only counted the popular vote, and did it from all states, including MI and FL, then Hillary would have MORE of a lead than she does now. So, your point is ... exactly what?

    [ Parent ]
    Look, I'm not the one trying to (none / 0) (#94)
    by independent voter on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:37:06 AM EST
    change the metrics here. I was responding to someone proposing a change to the metrics, basically telling her be careful what you wish for.
    It gets very frustrating and tiring when every single thing has to be spun. In fact, I just realised how bored I am with this debate.
    Later

    [ Parent ]
    Obama (none / 0) (#106)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:43:41 AM EST
    only got the narrative going about more delegates because he also had momentum.  

    Now?

    Nobody is much interested in delegate count.  :)

    (As a Hillary supporter, naturally, this is a delightful change of talk.)

    [ Parent ]

    Official Obama website (none / 0) (#17)
    by cannondaddy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:38:10 AM EST
    now has a countdown of the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination.

    [ Parent ]
    That's tacky (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by stefystef on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:42:15 AM EST
    and desperate from Obama's camp.

    [ Parent ]
    Why? n/t (none / 0) (#52)
    by independent voter on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:10:47 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Showing Delegate countdown (none / 0) (#150)
    by stefystef on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:31:49 PM EST
    is tacky because there is no need for him to show this countdown.  

    I think it only causes Obama followers to up their harassment of SDs and it will only a desperate way of trying to convince people that Obama is electability against McCain to the undecided/undeclared Supers.

    [ Parent ]

    the countdown is a prism. (none / 0) (#171)
    by cy street on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:58:52 PM EST
    who will be the one, or the group to take him over the top has to be on the minds of some supers.

    if you had the chance to decide the nomination, i imagine you would consider the pr opportunity that comes with that distinction, especially given the historical import of the outcome.

    [ Parent ]

    Chuck Todd already noted (none / 0) (#175)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:27:32 PM EST
    that Obama voters had been going after superdeez and were ratcheting it up.  He said to Andrea Mitchell that she, he and others at MSNBC had been the targets of their attention so they knew what the superdeez were going through.

    Clinton supporters? eh, not so much.

    [ Parent ]

    And it still doesn't matter (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by americanincanada on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:22:01 AM EST
    those supers choices are not locked in and they are free to change their minds right up until and inculding the convention.

    Obama could lose them all. Watch what happens if he loses Indiana and it is within single digits in NC.

    [ Parent ]

    Whew*....... (none / 0) (#108)
    by AnninCA on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:44:48 AM EST
    It's tough to take back an endorsement once it's given.

    But Wright did offer some SD's a "way out."

    You could be right.

    [ Parent ]

    SDs have been doing it (none / 0) (#157)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:48:41 PM EST
    to Clinton.  Might be tough, but they sure don't have to advertise it.  Until the supers actually vote at convention, we'll not know the true numbers on either side.  Actually, even pledged delegates are allowed to vote who they want to come convention.

    [ Parent ]
    Looks like Salt was correct (none / 0) (#4)
    by waldenpond on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:27:47 AM EST
    On the other thread in quoting McCaskill.. Salt grabbed this from Politico..

    The majority of superdelegates I've talked to are committed, but it is a matter of timing," said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). "They're just preferring to make their decision public after the primaries are over. ... They would like someone else to act for them before they talk about it in the cold light of day."

    Obama currently holds an 18-13 lead among committed superdelegates in the Senate, while Clinton holds a 77-74 lead in the House. Asked which way the committed-but-unannounced superdelegates are leaning, McCaskill -- who has endorsed Obama -- said: "James Brown would say, `I Feel Good.'"


    I would suggest (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:29:26 AM EST
    not believing a word McCaskill says.


    [ Parent ]
    This is the latest (none / 0) (#68)
    by standingup on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:18:48 AM EST
    being floated by the Obama campaign.  I caught a little clip of an Obama surrogate (didn't recognize the woman) on MSNBC this morning.  Essentially, they are suggesting Obama has more than enough superdelegates who have committed but not publicly declared that the upcoming votes won't make any difference.  Sounds like another attempt to depress the vote by creating the perception that it is a futile exercise in the long run.  

    [ Parent ]
    yeah (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:22:49 AM EST
    and Gore and Edwards are going to make a joint endorsment.
    and Elvis has left the building.

    [ Parent ]
    NO!!! (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by MMW on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:45:28 PM EST
    Elvis is coming back into the building to declare with Gore and Edwards for Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    So McCaskill is the (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by rooge04 on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:30:55 AM EST
    ultimate party insider?? I like her less and less every day.  What a jerk.

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (none / 0) (#9)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:32:06 AM EST
    she is a jerk because she talks to other super delegates and knows they have decided who they back its just a matter of timing endorsements? really

    that makes her a jerk huh?
    wow

    [ Parent ]

    It makes her an insider (5.00 / 6) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:33:52 AM EST
    Which was the point I think.

    So much for running against the Establishment.

    Which was a joke always.

    [ Parent ]

    still doesn't make (none / 0) (#23)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:41:30 AM EST
    her a jerk, which was what I was focusing on.

    it seems Obama supporters always have a way of being Judas, or blind or stupid. when what the only reason is she has access to talk to other supers?

    [ Parent ]

    Um (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:43:35 AM EST
    Seems like it makes Hillary and her supporters "jerks" for a lot of you.

    [ Parent ]
    what alot of you (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:46:31 AM EST
    if you don't want people putting words in your mouth don't do it to me

    have I ever called her a jerk? shall I now go to taylormarsh.com or Hillaryis44.org and get one of those HRC supporters comments and attribute them to you?

    supporters are bad on both sides how about stop trying to paint the majority of us as bad because of a vocal minority.

    [ Parent ]

    I am basing my opionion (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:15:20 AM EST
    of her on the opinions of my democratic neighbors across the border in MO tell me.
    they aint happy.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by standingup on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:28:27 AM EST
    As one of your neighbors, I agree with you.  McCaskill, oddly enough started with the same problem that many hold against Hillary, high unfavorables.  She has not helped herself with her voting record or her support of Obama.  It will be interesting to see who the Republicans run against her in 2012.  Unless she can turn things around, she will be very vulnerable for re-election.  

    [ Parent ]
    IMO, if Obama Loses To McCain, McCaskill Will Be A (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 12:16:31 PM EST
    1 term Senator. Claire was not particurly popular in MO before her endorsement of Obama. While this endorsement will play well to the AA communities here, it is a negative with conservative Dems in counties throughout the state after Rev. Wright. Dems can't win here without support both the AA community and conservative Dems.

    [ Parent ]
    You Might Want To Take A Look At Her Votes (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 10:37:00 AM EST