Obama Does The [W]Right Thing

Barack Obama and his camp made the right political choice in having Barack Obama denounce and reject the Rev. Jeremiah Wright (and not just his words) today. This decision was also the right thing to do. What Wright has stated now on numerous occasions, both in the pulpit and elsewhere, is appalling, foolish, offensive, divisive and delusional.

Obama should have done this long ago. And while I am sure his Philadelphia speech was lovely, it really was not about what Jeremiah Wright had said and done. Today, finally, Barack Obama addressed the issue of Jeremiah Wright. And he did so quite well.

Of course politics is central to all of this. Obama is a politician. But I think his words today were sincere and heartfelt as well as politically shrewd today. Let's hope he has limited the damage.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

More . ..

John Aravosis:

It's difficult to see someone you once respected turn into a crazy man. A craven politician, Hillary comes to mind, would turn on that person (or constituency) in a flash. A normal person, a good Christian, would struggle with the fact that the now-crazy man has done good in his life as well. How do you reconcile the two? Politicians don't. Real men - and real Christians - do.

What an effing idiot.

Speaking for me only of course.

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    BTD - no disrespect - (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by MMW on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:07:43 PM EST
    Tell me how he wins the general with the wealth of sound bites he has thus far generated?

    all i can think of is- (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:16:49 PM EST
    I was actually for it before I was against it, no wonder Kerry endorsed him.

    yeah (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:20:29 PM EST
    he was my spiritual adviser before he wasnt.

    Come on... it's not like he said that... (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:24:37 PM EST
    ...Wright was the same as grandmother and that he could never disown him... or that he was his "sounding board," "spiritual advisor," or "mentor"... oh wait... yeah, he's screwed.

    And Wright is hardly the only problem (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:37 PM EST
    If this was the only issue Obama had to put behind him, fine... maybe he'd have a chance.

    There are too many shady people in the circle.  Too many.  Not one.


    sound bites - (5.00 / 5) (#82)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:36:45 PM EST
    Michelle Obama wasn't really proud of America until she saw the outpouring of support for her husband's presidential run.
    Wright has been slamming America for years, but Obama didn't denounce him until Wright disrespected HIM and he was down in the polls.

    He cant (none / 0) (#190)
    by AlSmith on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:35:11 PM EST

    We can have a video a month until November to deal with.

    And based on what he just committed to in today's speech, he is dead in the water if he is visible in any crowd shot in a DVD. Or Michelle for that matter.

    Or even if a Trinity Veterans for Truth comes forward and there are ads from people saying that they were in Church with him when the Rev was giving  some of his "faith footnotes". Are the voters going to believe 6 guys saying here was there or one candidate saying he doesn't remember?

    Tick tick tick. If I were an SD I take him in a room and cross examine him before I committed to anything.


    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Benjamin3 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:50:14 PM EST
    Trinity Veterans for Truth!

    In his attempt to win back some white voters, hasn't Obama just thrown the entire AA community under the bus?  I think it was in his Philadelphia speech that he said, "I could no more disown Reverend Wright than I could disown the entire African-American community."  Anyways, I'm sure the media will slobber over him doing this today - but I do think it is a little late.  I think it might hurt him some with black voters in NC, but not enough to make much difference.  It's also the last state in the primaries where their votes are really crucial.

    The biggest problem for me all along has been Obama's lack of political judgment in the whole Wright matter.  He knew it would be a problem at some point, yet he did nothing until the whole thing blew up back in mid-March.


    For those, like me, who (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:07:52 PM EST
    did not see the press conference and missed the CNN re-run, you can see portions of Obama's speech at CNN's website.

    Transcript of Obama's remarks (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:16 PM EST
    can be found at the NYT website.

    Jeff Zeleny of the Times writes:

    For the second day in a row, Senator Barack Obama sought to distance himself from the remarks made by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and forcefully denounced the incendiary comments he feared would provide "comfort to those who prey on hate."
    "I'm outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Mr. Obama said, speaking to reporters here today. He added, "I find these comments appalling. It contradicts everything that I'm about and who I am."

    Seeking to quell the political damage the controversy is dealing to his campaign, Mr. Obama called a press conference after a town meeting here this afternoon to raise the volume of his criticism of his former pastor. In his speech on race last month in Philadelphia, where he tried to put the matter behind him, Mr. Obama said he gave Mr. Wright the benefit of the doubt.

    But after watching three days of Mr. Wright's commentary in televised speeches and interviews, Mr. Obama said, "there are no excuses."
    "They offend me, they rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced," he said. "That's what I am doing very clearly and unequivocally here today."

    Today, the comments by Mr. Obama were considerably stronger than any previous remarks he has made about Mr. Wright. Yesterday, he dismissed the remarks, but also criticized his opponents and the media for spending too much time dwelling on his former pastor.
    Asked why the change in posture, Mr. Obama said he had not seen the televised comments until last night. When he did, he said they "shocked and surprised" him, and he decided to clarify his position.

    More of (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:17:34 PM EST
    "I didn't know" from Obama.

    Implausible deniability.


    From "Casablanca": (5.00 / 3) (#173)
    by kmblue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:21:20 PM EST
    "I'm shocked, shocked, to learn that gambling
    is taking place in this establishment!"

    "Your winnings, sir."


    who is he kidding? (none / 0) (#184)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:30:31 PM EST
    Asked why the change in posture, Mr. Obama said he had not seen the televised comments until last night. When he did, he said they "shocked and surprised" him, and he decided to clarify his position.

    It's the most problematic issue almost everyone in the political arena was following and he didn't know? If he wasn't watching it lve I am SURE an aid show it to him on some gadget (PDA?) or commented it to him.  

    His change of posture was due more likely to the polloing being done in NC on this issue...


    Most problematics (none / 0) (#186)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:31:11 PM EST
    for BO these days, that is.

    It does sound a bit (none / 0) (#199)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:51:40 PM EST
    like Andy Card having to show Bush, during the flight to NOLA, a DVD of the destruction caused by Katrina.

    Did you see that press conference? (none / 0) (#215)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:22:11 PM EST
    Because the guy was really out there.  It seems that a lot of people all of a sudden totally switched their positions on Wright once they saw it.

    Clyburn was on both CNN and MSNBC trying to clean up his mess big time this morning.

    If fact, I saw quite a few people who seemed to be clamouring for air time to backtrack on their previous defenses of Wright.

    I am sure polls factored in, but I do believe that that Wright's performance yesterday made a lot of people feel very foolish for defending him.


    I wonder (5.00 / 2) (#217)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:35:53 PM EST
    when people are going to figure out that most people say what they mean.

    Obama can claim to be opposed to the hate in the message.  But he's run a very divisive campaign.

    His own words mean something.  He meant what he said about the people in PA.  Samantha said the same about the people in Ohio, and I hollared loudly at the time, saying Obama owed THEM an apology.  It took his own slip to get one, and he never has really apologized.

    Today he finally spit out a clear denunciation, but it's clear that he tried to avoid it.  He dang well knows what Wright is all about and has always known it.

    And his campaign shows the roots of that thinking.

    So we'll have to see if people buy this baloney.


    I saw Wright yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#220)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:02:40 PM EST
    be a clown at the Press Club and read his NAACP speech
    (same thing, but can't pint to the NAACP).

    But, excuse me :  Wright was far less challenging and much more subdued yesterday than in his sermons These were incendiary and full of bigotry and insults (I am still waiting for everyone to condemn Wright for the way he insulted HRC). Wright published Hamas manifesto in his Pastor page, and was displayed with encouraging words in the church bulletin board.

    So, no, I was not appalled by what I saw yesterday at the Press club; that's very tame compared with what I knew and heard from Wright before was much more appalling.  

    So, C'On; who is he and everyone else kidding?


    The political speech at the pulpit (none / 0) (#221)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:15:31 PM EST
    was impossible for me to get around.

    I think the man is divisive and racist and have done since I first watched that video.

    Obama was lucky that the media ran with the "God damn America" video instead of the "rich white people" and Hillary wasn't called a... political sermon.  OTOH - he might have been unlucky in a way because had that been the video that got the most play, Obama would have been forced to do what he did today much earlier I think.


    sincere and heartfelt (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:09:41 PM EST
    that he wishes he never met the guy,
    no doubt.
    I dont honestly think this will change a thing.
    if he had done this months ago, maybe.
    all this will do IMO is keep Wright in the news.

    And is he sincere (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:20:37 PM EST
    when he says that this is not the same Reverend Wright he met 20 years ago? Are we supposed to believe that he did not know that Wright was like this? Next thing you know we will be hearing that Wright is in the beginning stages of dementia and that explains his behavior.
    As I write this, MSNBC is discussing whether people will feel sorry for Obama now that they have seen this more "fragile", "emotional" side. And they are saying that Wright gave Obama permission to cut himself loose from him. Wow! Even I didn't see that coming.

    I've never seen (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:42 PM EST
    a politician excommunicate themselves from their church like this. It's quite novel.  I predict Obama is going to lose now. But he also needed to do this at teh same time.

    I can imagine the sermons now being written, by Wright's friends in the black Clergy.


    If That Is The Case, obama Should Be Skewered (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:10 PM EST
    like Hillary was for her verklempt moment.

    Immediately my thought. (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by Fabian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:45:11 PM EST
    ooooh, Obama's so e-MO-tional!  Tell me quick - did he shed a tear?

    Bleargh.  I don't care about candidates' "emotions".    Let's talk polices and issues, preferrably without the "ums".


    I'm wairting for Jesse Jackson III (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:17:54 PM EST
    to speculate about why he didn't get so emotional about Katrina victims.

    Waiting, but not holding my breath.


    Of course not. Obama carefully, only (5.00 / 3) (#165)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:15:08 PM EST
    spoke about Wright's comments to the National Press Club, and that is the way it is being reported on CNN, I see -- only the comments "yesterday."

    So Obama has no problems with Wright's speech to the NAACP.  Of course not, as Obama dare not reject and denounce the NAACP.

    But Wright said a lot of the same, problematic stuff in the NAACP speech that he said to the Press Club.  So Obama's problem really is not with the content of Wright's pronouncements, only when at the Press Club.

    I really hope someone in the media puts this together and asks Obama if it means he's fine with what Wright said on Sunday, not just on Monday.


    Ah, Yesterday! (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:54:24 PM EST
    Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
    Now it looks as though they're here to stay
    Oh, I believe in yesterday.

    Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be,
    There's a shadow hanging over me.
    Oh, yesterday came suddenly.
    Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play.
    Now I need a place to hide away.
    Oh, I believe in yesterday.



    Obama didn't denounce... (none / 0) (#172)
    by stevenb on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:21:17 PM EST
    all the people in the audience at the National Press Club who were jeering and clapping all throughout Wright's damaging speech.

    Obama can easily denounce Wright now, but what about the sentiments that have resonance throughout the black community?


    He Only Denounced Wright's Comments, Not (4.00 / 1) (#51)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:26:06 PM EST
    Wright, I believe.  So isn't it basically status quo?

    No, he now says that (5.00 / 6) (#81)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:36:14 PM EST
    after what he saw yesterday his relationship with Wright has changed.

    There was a lot of yesterday in his remarks.


    Yesterday When obama's Troubles Seemed (5.00 / 5) (#112)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:50:34 PM EST
    so far away....lol

    It's McCartneyism. (5.00 / 9) (#117)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:52:32 PM EST
    Salo....GOOD ONE!! (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:33:17 PM EST
    Yesterday = not taking on the NAACP (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:16:37 PM EST
    Translation provided by your friends at WORM, Inc.

    Too little (none / 0) (#130)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:17 PM EST
    too late.

    Sorry, I don't agree (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:10:15 PM EST
    I know he had to do SOMETHING, but this keeps it in the news another day or so.  There's also too much video out there of Obama saying exactly the opposite of what he said today.

    He could have been the most sincere person on earth today, but this just looks like desperation. As others have pointed out, this is going to go to the heart of his argument - his superior judgment.  Trust me, I've church shopped when I didn't like what the priest was saying (and I've never had a priest say some of the awful things Wright has said).  It takes about 6 months to get a feel for a place, not 20 years.

    I don't believe Obama when he says he never heard stuff like this - it's like the old line from Casablanca ("I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you...")

    precisely... (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by p lukasiak on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST
    the only way he could have gotten away with it today is if he had admitted he knew what Wright was like when he made "the greatest speech about EVAH!", but felt that because Wright was retiring, there was no point in embarrassing him and -- more importantly -- the people of his church.

    The "I didn't know" stuff ain't gonna fly -- and it fills in a very big blank in terms of defining Obama in the minds of voters.  All that has to happen is for them to hear once "how could he possibly be surprised, after knowing Wright for 20 years" and Obama's essential dishonesty will be written in stone in people's minds.


    Especially Since He Admitted That He Heard (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:32 PM EST
    inappropriate comments from Rev. Wright. IIRC he said that in his "Greatest Speech On Race Ever."

    It's Even Weaker (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:10:27 PM EST
    Because he already used this defense with Rezko.  From the Sun-Times:

    Is Rezko still a friend?

    "Yes,'' Obama said, "with the caveat if it turns out the allegations are true, then he's not who I thought he was, and I'd be very disappointed with that.''

    Obama is too far Wright - (none / 0) (#139)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:57:06 PM EST
    and it's a little too late to do the Wright thing now.

    Still misunderstood (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by ctrenta on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:25 PM EST
    Rev. Jeremiah Wright's friend, Father Pfelger told it right from the get go: This guys is completely misunderstood. Watch how he handles the FOX News flunkie.

    Watch here.

    passive aggressive 4 ratings (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:16:59 PM EST
    lol, I see that.

    Nice smackdown of FOX (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:39 PM EST
    That FOX news producer is the same one that likes to go ambush people like the CEO of JetBlue, I think.  It was about time someone responded that way to him.

    that is a pwnt journalist (4.00 / 0) (#52)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:26:30 PM EST
    Pfelger just owned him, I haven't laughed so hard in days.

    Maybe Obama should go to Pfelger's church for 8 years and then run again.  He has debating down pat.


    I would have more respect for Obama (none / 0) (#128)
    by halstoon on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST
    if he addressed Wright the way Pfleger addressed him. Selling hiim down the river to appease poor white people is not a move I admire in Sen. Obama.

    I know it's disrespectful in his eyes to say he wasn't sincere in his rejection of Wright, but I think it's disrespectful to reject Wright in the first place.

    Why go to a church that bases itself on social justice and is led by a preacher who speaks the naked truth about America for 20 years and then expect people to act as though you don't agree with those things? Why didn't he find a more sedate and traditional church if he wanted to be perceived in that manner?


    You are suspended this week (none / 0) (#131)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:28 PM EST
    Comment again on Saturday.

    The media demanded this (none / 0) (#161)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:11:29 PM EST
    I'm not so sure he should have so emphatically excommunicated himself like this.

    I'm not sure that any working class whites wanted to see this either.


    Who did? (none / 0) (#213)
    by halstoon on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM EST
    Clinton and McCain, for two. He may be toast now.

    That particular cat is out of the bag (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by Jim J on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:43 PM EST
    The media did Obama no favors by idolizing him and failing to scrutinize him. Now the bubble is burst and he has nothing to fall back on.

    Wright has done all the damage possible, even if he says nary a public word for the rest of his life. Which in itself is extremely unlikely.

    JimJ (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:14 PM EST
    An astonishing collection of metaphors.  But somehow it all makes perfect sense

    He just excommunicated himself from his Pastor.

    It's like nothing I have ever seen before in my life.

    I've read about Henry VIII and Henry II, but I've never seen what it really looks like in the flesh.


    Except for the lack of (none / 0) (#107)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:27 PM EST
    heads literally rolling.

    BTD, he's sincerely hurt, personally.. (5.00 / 9) (#9)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:47 PM EST
    but what about the outrageous things Wright said about Hillary? These came at a very convenient time for Obama. Will he ever address those?
    Does the press even discuss this incident anymore?

    I have never (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:35:10 PM EST
    heard them address it at all.

    Twenty years, wasn't it, (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:13:42 PM EST
    he has sat in a pew at Trinity UCC while The Rev. Wright held forth from the pulpit and elsewhere in public?  Won't voters be a bit wary of this latter day renouncing and rejecting by Obama?  Won't the media reject this ploy?

    Perhaps (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:42 PM EST
    Time will tell.

    What about his church? (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:29:50 PM EST
    Is he still a member of his church that gave Farrakhan the lifetime achievment award? His new pastor just gave a sermon on Easter Sunday directly quoting from the violent Ice Cube rap, "Wrong #igga to #uck wit."  Where does it end?

    No (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:26 PM EST
    They will push Obama's spin that this was not the same Reverend Wright that Obama met 20 years ago. Anything to keep the chosen one in the race against that vile old woman.

    Who cares about the media? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:28:49 PM EST
    Voters get to decide what to think of Obama's latest "pivot" on this issue.

    voters yes (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:19:40 PM EST
    media no, of course not.  its all settled as far as they are concerned.

    A day late and a dollar short (5.00 / 9) (#13)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:29 PM EST
    and not fully believable.  Should have done this weeks ago, then it could have mattered.  How do you attend a church for 20 years, be a close associate of the pastor, and not know the pastor is a nutjob?

    Interesting to me that he only did this when it seemed to get personal to him?  Didn't seem to care how it looked or felt to the country before.  Very narcissistic behavior.

    Ah, BTD, (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
    timing is all.

    Obama should have rejected Wright as soon as he knew he wanted to run for President. (IMHO)

    The Reverend Wright is not acceptable as a President's mentor, pastor and friend. We all know that.

    Why didn't Obama?

    he has 8000 constituents in one church that's why. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:28 PM EST
    if he's not President, Senator Obama will have to run again for his Senate seat in 2010 I think. So he may have just dismissed a good chunk of his supporters as he denounced Rev. Wright as as spectacle. The church members aren't going to forget, I could be wrong, more people go to that church because they believe in the message the Pastor delivers. Most aren't politicians looking for votes.  

    Instead he gave the church how (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by katiebird on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:33:21 PM EST
    many thousand dollars?  According to my memory, it was more than a lot of people take home in a year.

    Didn't he make that donation the year before he announced?  And after all the rumors that he was going to run?

    Who give such huge amounts of money to organizations  without knowing exactly what the head of that organization believes.  In fact, don't you give that sort of money because you agree with him?


    Hurt? (5.00 / 12) (#18)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:15:42 PM EST
    Sorry, I don't buy it.  He used Wright and now Wright is not convenient.  You don't get to pluck the bits you like from someone and then throw them away.  I think he handled the whole thing badly.  He did not know what he was doing when he used Wright, to get the wins in Illinois.  Now, he owns him.  I think he is inept politically.  Obama got caught in his own tangle of race and religion.  Someone like Wright is not gonna go away in the night after Obama called him an "crazy uncle" basically stuck in the past.  

    Another Good Argument For Keeping Church (5.00 / 3) (#118)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:52:42 PM EST
    and state separate.

    Amen! (none / 0) (#176)
    by magisterludi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:24:16 PM EST
    As MO Blue has already pointed out (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:15:58 PM EST
    there is video out there of him saying the exact opposite of everything he has decided he believes and feels today.  The damage has only begun BTD.

    agreed (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:17:57 PM EST
    because now he has to reconcile the things he said today with all the other things he has said.
    it will get worse.

    He waited too long (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Grey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:03 PM EST
    How is it possible that, as late as last night, Obama was brushing away all questions about Rev. Wright, completely unconcerned, and today he wants me to believe that, while the news were filled with reports of the Reverend's comments, he had no idea he'd said any of the things he did?  No one briefed him?  Come on; that stretches all the limits of credulity.

    This presser should not buy him anything at all.  It might, because of the reservoir of good will he enjoys, but Obama should get none.

    game changer (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by cdo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:38 PM EST
    sorry but this was a game changer. He has made people in his own camp look foolish for defending Wright. He completely undoes whatever good he did in his Philly speech. He gains nothing and salvages nothing.

    I'll bet Obama isn't bored with the (5.00 / 9) (#35)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:24 PM EST
    campaign now.

    Heh (none / 0) (#97)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:29 PM EST
    (I have a quippy comment to insert here...but I have to stop chuckling here given yesterday's discussion re: mothers and boredom.)

    Exactly...so ridiculous (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:05 PM EST
    I have never seen so many liberals spin so quickly to justify Wright's positions.  I still contend, that for me I don't like Wright, but Obama is the guilty one here, cause he had no judgement, used him and discarded him.  And I tell you this is the way many people in the black community will see it.  

    "Used him and discarded him." (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:23 PM EST
    I can think of others this phrase may apply to, i.e., Rezko.

    What are you talking about? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:44 PM EST
    As he constantly told us, Obama has SUPERIOR judgment because he gave a speech denouncing the vote to go authorize Bush to use force in Iraq.

    And, because the sound quality was (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:34:45 PM EST
    inferior and he was, after all, running for the Dem. presidential nomination, he re-recorded the speech.

    did he really? n/t (none / 0) (#167)
    by DJ on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:16:26 PM EST
    Somebody needs to put the Philly Speech... (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by lambert on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:48:21 PM EST
    ... and this speech side by side, and just point out the inconsistencies in the transcripts.

    That Might Take A Couple Of Posts (none / 0) (#147)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:01:30 PM EST
    to fit in all the inconsistencies.

    Hey, You're somebody! (none / 0) (#158)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:10:29 PM EST
    Well, one thing's for sure... (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by gmo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:54 PM EST
    <snark>...this should tank sales of his Philadelphia Speech DVD!   "I can no more disown Rev Wright than I could my own grandmother."  I suppose that doesn't exactly hold water anymore, does it?

    Well, I suppose that entire speech is now fraught with doublespeak and falsehoods.  So maybe it actually bumps up sales by being more of a blooper reel than anything else.  And hey, maybe in the director's cut, he'll include today's speech, too! </snark>

    Sorry for the snark, but I find it unbearable to call Obama's speech today "sincere and heartfelt," when I've been asked to buy into those emotions one too many time to apologize for Obama's missteps and poor judgement.   No more.  He's cried wolf and ducked, dodged and weaved (poorly) one too many times for me to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially with no real history to back him up.

    Clinton could insert the Stilletto (none / 0) (#92)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42:50 PM EST
    Obama was ridin' Wright Dirty.

    or vice versa

    Wright is ridin' Obama Dirty.


    Hillary Clinton is a lady. (none / 0) (#151)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:03:23 PM EST
    She will never do that. Especially given the mention of Monica in that particular sermon.

    While Obama is not believable at all, (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:19:39 PM EST
    his SUPPORTERS can reasonably claim plausible deniabilty---I'm sure most of them had no idea how he would do so poorly under pressure.
    I understand that one Obama endorser in MI already threw Obama under the bus. Will others follow suit?
    That is the real question.

    Who? (none / 0) (#116)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:52:12 PM EST
    Who in MI backed off supporting Obama?

    Rep. Skelton from MO (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:38:02 PM EST
    endorsed HRC today he is the cchairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

    Ike Skelton, I think (none / 0) (#127)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST
    Ike Skelton Is A Representative In Rural MO n/t (none / 0) (#150)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:03:19 PM EST
    MI didn't throw Obama under (none / 0) (#124)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:38 PM EST
    the bus completely.  It was painful to watch Travis Childer refuse to answer when asked if he would accept Obama's endorsement. He tried to twist by saying he wanted the endorsement of the people.  This looks really bad for down ticket, that guy was really going after him for being associated with Obama.

    Whoops, my bad (none / 0) (#138)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:55 PM EST
    two people.  Childer of Mississippi refused to answer if he would accept Obama's endorsement and Ike Skelton of Missouri endorsed Clinton.

    MI is Michigan. (none / 0) (#148)
    by pie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:02:38 PM EST
    MS, Mississippi

    MO, Missouri


    Well, this has certainly put the nail in the (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:12 PM EST
    coffin for no more debates.  s/n  

    Or, perhaps the opposite (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:28 PM EST
    Maybe this will encourage him to get back on stage and act like a man who wants to be our president.

    Hillary gave him that option again today during her editorial board meeting in Indiana..."if you're watching, it's not too late" she said to the camera.


    That is almost as good as the (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:33:13 PM EST
    debate during which she reeled off her website address.

    Did she do the two fingered (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:51:50 PM EST
    eye to eye point thing too? (Is there a word for that gesture) That would have been awesome.

    Hypnotizing Chickens. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST
    That's what Iggy used to do.

    lol....I think it stands for I'm Watching YOU!! (none / 0) (#136)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:15 PM EST
    Or said (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:53:19 PM EST
    "Barack, meet me at camera three", and given him a little talk, like Jon Stewart does.

    Obama is still maturing (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by catfish on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:31 PM EST
    not just as a candidate but as an adult. He couldn't quite articulate what bothered him. He said Wright was insensitive to Obama and what Obama's campaign is trying to do. That was a very narcissistic thing to say.

    What's amazing about Obama is his body language exudes intelligence, compassion. But reading his statements in text it jumps out - he is not especially intelligent or compassionate.

    He should drop out now. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by chopper on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:07 PM EST
    Obama has way too many issues besides the anti-American preacher. There's Rezko, the indicted crook, Auchi, the Iraqi billionaire who gave Obama millions, Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist bomber.  Now there's Alice Palmer, his mentor who he back-stabbed, and is now campaigning for Hillary.

    He continues to lie or be deceitful about the lobbyist money he takes in. He keeps running the ad saying he doesn't take lobbyist money, and various media keep coming forth with lists of lobbyists he takes money from - including big-oil, drugs, subprime lenders, etc.

    He may as well drop out now because it's not going to get any better.  Hillary has been way too soft on him, but the GOP is starting to come down on him with ads hurting Dems candidates who are connected to him.  He's going to take down the entire Democratic Party.

    Obama did what he had to do today, (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by DaytonDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:20 PM EST
    but I have a sinking feeling that the Repugs are sitting on video showing Obama clapping along at one of these "troubling" sermons.

    They won't be able to enjoy that if Hillary is (none / 0) (#56)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:15 PM EST
    the candidate.  

    Think Hillary....Law of Attraction :)


    Too many contrary moments (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:25:23 PM EST
    I think Obama has shown his own moments of proof that the Rev influenced his thinking and behavior. The NC speech following his miserable performance at the PA debate was filled with angry words and gestures in front of men, women and children. Same disrespect for the people as the pastor has shown so many times.

    What about Michelle? There is plenty of video footage showing the influence Wright has had on her. He sure can't risk that being brought up.

    Obama simply hasn't been truthful to the people about who he is, what drives him, or what his plan for this country is and he resents us asking. Something needs to take him out of the race, and if this is it, fine.

    That is really interesting (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:07 PM EST
    because I keep thinking that Obama's rationalizations remind me of the kinds of things my kids used to try on me when they were teenagers. Whenever Obama gets called out his excuse is to try to find something similar that Hillary did wrong too. My kids were always trying this kind of excuse - "You think I'm bad,well so-and-so did/said this....."
    When I think about it, they could tell when someone else was using these kinds of tactics so I get your point.

    Roland Martin (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Manuel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:16 PM EST
    What is he saying now?  He was defending Wright and Obama 36 hrs ago.

    I guess I am more sympathetic to Wright than is Obama himself.  From my perspective Obama ends up looking like the pol that Wright described.  This could hurt him with his liberal and AA base and not gain him enough with lower income whites.

    Disagree. (5.00 / 15) (#65)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:46 PM EST
    I'm not sure Obama had a better course but (from the reporting I've read here) he hasn't done himself any favors:

    1. His rejection of Wright came about only after Wright personally disrespected him.  It's not about what Wright said -- he's never seemed to care about that too much before -- but rather Wright's failure to shut up for the benefit of Obama's campaign.

    2. Much of what he said is (apparently) directly contradicted by the record, including his Philadelphia speech.  This will only keep the issue alive while the media analyzes the question of what did Obama know, and when did he know it?

    3. He's now both defended and attacked Wright, so he hasn't stood firm on either side of the issue.

    4. A number of his statements today directly call into question his judgment -- the apparent fact that he's been discussing this issue for a year now without bothering to acquaint himself with the content of Wright's statements, for instance.

    What else could he do?  I don't know -- Wright really through him a curve ball with his personal fifty state strategy.  Politics ain't beanbag but it does offer lots of curve balls and if you want to play in the big leagues you have to be able to hit all kinds of pitches.

    Clinton did better with her Bosnia flap, saying she basically had no idea why she said what she said and then making fun of herself for saying it.

    One of the biggest surprises I've gotten from this campaign so far is the fact that apparently Clinton has the best sense of humor of anyone in (or near) politics today.

    What He Could Have Done Is Reviewed His (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:13 PM EST
    previous statements, especially in his Greatest Race Speech Ever and kept his story consistent. He could have left the me, me, me out of it and focused on how it harmed both races.

    Once again, this is just plain sloppy on Obama's part. If you are going to distort the truth, at least be consistent in the distortions.  


    I could not agree more with this (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:19:01 PM EST
    One of the biggest surprises I've gotten from this campaign so far is the fact that apparently Clinton has the best sense of humor of anyone in (or near) politics today.

    and it's a most pleasant surprise indeed!


    And double disagree, BTD (5.00 / 2) (#219)
    by Camorrista on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:56:56 PM EST
    I'm not sure Obama had a better course but (from the reporting I've read here) he hasn't done himself any favors...

    I'd go further--I think he's hurt himself with just everybody except the press, certain bloggers and, of course, the "creative class."  

    Which voters will admire this tactic?

    African-Americans?  Are most of them as cynical as politicians?  Are most of them ready to see a black contender for the presidency ditch his own pastor to comfort upper-middle class reporters and pundits?

    Blue-collar whites?  Are most of them ready to cry, ah, yes, he's finally caught on to the truth about his minister, he's seen the light and so have I, and now I can safely vote for him...?

    Latinos?  Are most of them ready to listen to this  soliloquy of high-minded evasions and think, oh, sure, here's somebody who'll protect us when the Republicans try to round us up...?

    The trouble is, no matter how effective the move might be--and I doubt it will be effective at all--it looks not only calculated but cowardly.    What does that say about him as both a candidate and a potential president?  

    If he's ready to dump his long-time spiritual advisor, who's next?  Or, more crucially, what's next?  Health-care reform? Closing Guantanomo & ending torture?  Roe v. Wade?  

    To ask the question, he and his admirers endlessly ask of Senator Clinton....does anything matter to him except winning?


    The big question (none / 0) (#155)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:07:24 PM EST
    is whether the media will continue to give him a pass on his inconsistent statements about Wright?

    Please, Hillary.. no comment!!! (5.00 / 11) (#66)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:30:45 PM EST

    God yes. (none / 0) (#132)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:46 PM EST
    Maggie Williams better have the whole campaign bound and gagged today.

    They bound and gagged last time (none / 0) (#164)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:14:30 PM EST
    very nicely. I doubt anyone wants to touch it and have it blow back on them.

    He's so arrogant he thinks we'll believe anything (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:31:22 PM EST
    he says anytime he says it.  This speech was so disingenuous it isn't even funny.  

    Obama's not telling truth about this (5.00 / 5) (#68)
    by vin rose on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:21 PM EST
    go on the website of Obama's church http://www.tucc.org/about.htm and you will see that Wright is not an isolated incident. The church doctrine on the front page of the website says, "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land,"
    In other words Obama is lying when he says he was surprised by Wright's remarks. This works with the Dems because they cannot afford to alienate the black vote. Obama will be skewered for lying now about what he knew to be true all along. If he becomes the nominee McCain is our next president and this is a most unfortunate thing for the planet earth.

    Yesterday (5.00 / 7) (#70)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:34 PM EST
    The transcript of Obama's remarks make it seem as if Wright only made all these remarks yesterday:

    Yesterday we saw a very different vision of America. I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday. ... I have known Reverend Wright for almost 20 years. The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.

    He says he didn't see clips or transcripts of Wright's statements until last night:

    Q: Why the change in tone from yesterday when you spoke to us on the tarmac yesterday -

    MR. OBAMA: I'll be honest with you, because I hadn't seen it yet.

    Q: That was the difference?

    MR. OBAMA: Yes.

    Q: Have you heard the reports about the AIDS comment?

    MR. OBAMA: I had not. I had not seen the transcript. What I had heard was that he had given a performance and I thought, at the time that it would be sufficient to re-iterate what I had said in Philadelphia.

    Well, look, as I said before, the person I saw yesterday was not the person that I had come to know over 20 years.

    ...the insensitivity and the outrageousness of his statements and his performance in the question and answer period yesterday, I think, shocked me. It surprised me. ... During the course of me attending that church, I had not heard those kinds of statements being made or those kinds of views being promoted.

    You know, in some ways what Reverend Wright said yesterday, directly contradicts everything that I've done during my life.

    But there wasn't anything constructive out of yesterday. All it was, was a bunch of rants that aren't grounded in truth.

    Is Obama really saying that the Wright statements that contradict everything he believes, that have caused his relationship with Wright to change, were only those made yesterday?  

    Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.... (5.00 / 6) (#79)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:34:59 PM EST
    Now it looks as thought they're here so stay.  Oh, yesterday....

    Yesterday = not messing with the NAACP (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:24:31 PM EST
    but only with the National Press Club speech.

    When the media will get on to that, well . . . probably never.  But that means everything Wright said on Sunday to the NAACP is fair game for GOP ads, as Obama is fine with what Wright said then.


    Your point about (none / 0) (#84)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:38:04 PM EST
    Wright having a history of saying bonkers things contradicts the yesterday comment...

    I doubt Obama saw the speech live.

    He would have had it taped and Axelrod would have provided TPs with which to interpret the political fallout.

    But yeah Wright didn't suddenly go insane.  If anything he was rather subdued yesterday.


    Axelrod not so smart (5.00 / 0) (#73)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:33:14 PM EST
    Anyone who knows American urban politics has to contend with the Black Church.  Axelrod and Obama did not do their homework, they took it for granted.  I bet you anything now, Obama will lose in the AA community cause people now will see that he is not a stand up guy and that he turned on Wright.  Wright knew what he was doing.  Obama dissed him in that speech, and Wright is gonna take him down.  

    Axelrod and Obama, are thought the post racial mythology would save them for being political naives.  

    Wright was being a Prophet (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:39:59 PM EST
    in a snide back handed sort of way.

    "If God want's Obama to be President no-one can stop him..." he said with a cheeky smile.  Crazy like a Fox.


    I disagree (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:41:06 PM EST
    AAs will be just as pragmatic about this as anyone else.

    They know he can't win and rehabilitate Wright's/Trinity's image at the same time, so I'll make as assumption.  If they have a choice, they'd rather he be president and take the hits elsewhere.   The church will still be there regardless of what the outside world thinks of it.  This is Obama's only chance.

    This is very important to them.


    If he goes against God as personified (none / 0) (#113)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:51:26 PM EST
    by his Pastor who can trust him?

    Can you imagine any other modern Politician cutting themselves away from their church leader like that?  

    It's why he was reticent about disowning Wright in the "Greatest Speech."  The consequences will be profound.


    Obama not so smart either (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by brodie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42:10 PM EST
    to not realize himself, without prompting from Axel or other aides, that the Wright matter needed much firmer attention than it got one year ago.  And they said he was another JFK ...

    Well, it is the same candidate who had to be told by his handler that a vote for Roberts may not be such a swell idea politically.


    For a long time I've been against Axelrod (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:02 PM EST
    I said it early and said it often... (even back when all the candidates were still running)

    Axelrod not helpful to Obama.

    I still remember when he implied Clinton was responsible for the assasination of Bhutto.  Or something along those lines. yikes.


    Well - I guess he had to do this (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Trickster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:33:37 PM EST
    And I applaud an aggressive response to adversity.  But I'm not sure it buys him anything.

    The only new thing Wright said this weekend was "Obama is a politician who speaks as a politician" (paraphrased).  With Obama taking it personally and getting angry about it, it just seems all too much as if the only thing that really bothers him about Wright is that Wright criticized him (Obama).  And the rest of it is OK.

    Also, I think some others in this thread have good points.  An orgy of quote comparisons is about to come, and the Great Speech of '08 is going to get taken down a couple of notches.  

    As it has long deserved.  It was a nice speech in another context, but in that particular context it was primarily a dodge that couldn't possibly have worked for anyone about whom the press was properly neutral.

    This Post (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:37:18 PM EST
    Should put to bed any ideas that BTD doesn't support Obama.

    This is the best face one can put on a very dire situation for Obama and you have to admire BTD's efforts here.

    But I also think this is tied into the whole Dem Party for BTD, that he really just wants to move past all this for the sake of the party.

    Ok.  Who wants to talk about health care?

    Obama could very easily call Clinton's double down and raise the stakes.  Ok.  Lets have another debate.

    But here's the roolz:  Issues only.  Health Care.  Foriegn Policy.  Iraq.  Economy.   Nothing else.  That's the ground rules.  No distractions.  Lets bore the pants off America!

    Let's move past this.  If Obama dares.

    Let's do it!!!!!

    Heh (none / 0) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42:27 PM EST
    I'll grant you I am hoping this blows over, because Obama is likely to be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

    now I'm suspecting someone spiked your drink (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:48:58 PM EST
    with you know what!

    Any chance (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:58:49 PM EST
    Obama now wants to change the subject away from Character (which was what his entire campaign was about) and start putting real issues front and center?

    Might be a good way to get back on track?

    We do know when he tried that in the early days of the campaign he failed pretty badly and it was only when character became the issue at a certain MSNBC debate that things changed for him.

    Hey. Anything's gotta better than this at this point.

    Stumbling over wonky policy might be an improvement for him, at this point.

    I will say this, continuing to attack Clinton's character at this point would be a really bad idea now that he has none at all.


    R's are gearing up for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:05:11 PM EST
    Look out!

    "For months, GOP operatives spoke with dread of the prospects of running against Barack Obama in the fall. But after weeks of controversies over his former pastor, his views of blue-collar voters and even the sincerity of his patriotism, Republicans now are ready to place a $500,000 bet that Obama will be a heavy burden on down-ballot Democrats.

    That's the approximate amount of advertising purchased so far by the National Republican Congressional Committee and GOP allies to link Democratic congressional hopefuls in Mississippi and Louisiana to their party's potential presidential nominee."



    I thought so until today (none / 0) (#96)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:19 PM EST
    But right now I don't agree anymore.

    It is all over but the benediction for Obama's (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by athyrio on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:39:44 PM EST
    candidacy....To actually think he could win with all this mess is just plain silly....Even Clyburn this morning on Morning Joe said..."With Wright, Obama won't have to worry about those bad 527's coming out"....Wright will be enough to sink him in other words....and that is coming from one of his biggest supporters that just a few days ago called Clinton a huge racist....Now he is very busy backpeddling that remark I notice...

    all over but the benediction (none / 0) (#162)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:12:07 PM EST
    maybe he will invite Wright to that.

    No one likes my title at least? (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:12 PM EST

    Also you are right about Aravosis (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:06:50 PM EST
    effing idiot is right.  And (W)right.

    To get meta for a minute, and also to respond to Aravosis, this is what comes from letting religion get too close to politics. The less I know about my candidate's religion, the happier I am.  For this thing to turn into some kind of national debate about liberation theology, as some are suggesting it is doing, would be the most ridiculous outcome yet.


    this sentence made coffee (none / 0) (#159)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:10:29 PM EST
    come out my nose:

    "How do you reconcile the two? Politicians don't. Real men - and real Christians - do."

    from a man who knows a great deal about both.


    and (none / 0) (#174)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:21:43 PM EST
    since mr A is sort of on topic I just have to say that the headline before that was pretty funny too:

    VIDEO:Hillary laughs while NC governor says anti-gay slur  

    what was the "anti-gay" slur?

     "[Mrs. Clinton] makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy."

    the man needs a hobby.


    Its pun-tastic N/T (none / 0) (#100)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:45:22 PM EST
    good pun (none / 0) (#101)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:45:26 PM EST
    You mean Obama threw a trash can. . . (none / 0) (#106)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:15 PM EST
    through Danny Aeillo's window?

    Heh (none / 0) (#111)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:49:45 PM EST
    through Rev. Wright's window.

    The rev. doesn't appear to be the type (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:59:05 PM EST
    to wave his fist ineffectually at the "crazy kids" on the yard.

    He may be wacky, but I'm betting he's got a lot of moves up his sleeves. And I expect to see a few of them play out over the next few days.

    Dealing with the rev quietly and in private some months ago might've been the better course of action than the spectacle being played out on national TV.


    He's probably most in the mood. . . (none / 0) (#133)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:51 PM EST
    to throw Reverend Wright through Danny Aeillo's window.

    Heh (none / 0) (#140)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:58:05 PM EST
    It was nifty (none / 0) (#195)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:48:34 PM EST
    We keep asking ourselves about how the (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:50 PM EST
    Press will cover this.  Reality is that there is enough ammunition here for at least 10-20 527 ads.  And you know how those ads get repeated in the news over and over as they are covered.

    Obama's likely to be on the ticket (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by rilkefan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:53:03 PM EST
    either way - I agree that Clinton would need him in the unlikely event that she wins the nom - so everyone should be hoping for a good outcome here.

    I feel for Obama here, which is rather a rare occurrence - perhaps there will be a sympathy backlash for him.

    Are you Joking? (5.00 / 2) (#181)
    by dissenter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:29:27 PM EST
    Clinton can ill afford to put him on the ticket now. No way. She will need to rally some AA support but there are a lot less dangerous ways to do that.

    Mayor Nutter? (none / 0) (#216)
    by Foxx on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:31:20 PM EST
    Bar's lower for VP (none / 0) (#218)
    by rilkefan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:52:26 PM EST
    He can say it was a learning experience, now he's wiser.  People don't care if the VP is a little green.  He'll obviously have been chastened by losing the nom, etc.

    In his quest (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Benjamin3 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:43 PM EST
    to win back some white voters, hasn't Obama just thrown the entire AA community under the bus?  I think it was in his Philadelphia speech that he said, "I could no more disown Reverend Wright than I could disown the entire African-American community."  Anyways, I'm sure the media will slobber over him doing this today - but I do think it is a little late.  I think it might hurt him some with black voters in NC, but not enough to make much difference.  It's also the last state in the primaries where their votes are really crucial.

    The biggest problem for me all along has been Obama's lack of political judgment in the whole Wright matter.  He knew it would be a problem at some point, yet he did nothing until the whole thing blew up back in mid-March.

    Look (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by facta non verba on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:03 PM EST
    I wrote a post on my blog about the early reaction to Obama's comments today. We are not objective though I think we are mostly sane as opposed to the other side which is also not objective but partly insane. So who's objective? For that I've been reading the comments from around the country in newspaper articles. There the comments are anti-Obama.

    Early Reaction to Obama's Denouncing of Wright

    very interesting (none / 0) (#154)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:07:10 PM EST
    "The winds seem to be running against Obama's sails at this point".

    reminds me of windsurfing for some reason.


    You know (none / 0) (#180)
    by facta non verba on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:29:23 PM EST
    my grandfather told me when I was a little boy that if you want to know about how people think locally, read the local newspapers or ask the cab drivers.

    I think Obama is in trouble but I am biased. I want him to be in trouble. So reading the comments on local newspapers gives me an idea of what a wider swath of Americans are thinking. On the Charlotte Observer they are running 2 to 1 against Obama.


    Charlotte. . . (none / 0) (#192)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:40:34 PM EST
    . . . Charlotte. . .

    What state is that in, again?


    Perfect time to raise Obama's judgement (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Chimster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:19:11 PM EST
    argument. For a politician who's running on Judgement, this doesn't make him look so wise after all.

    Let's see, his unity schtick has crumbled, his Judgement has crumbled, his message of hope has crumbled. What's left?

    Hope? Distractions? Waffle & sausage? n/t (none / 0) (#194)
    by Rainsong on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:45:35 PM EST
    Egg-sactly! n/t (none / 0) (#201)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:55:46 PM EST
    I've clicked on the Aravosis link about 167 times (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by jerry on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:22:25 PM EST


    effing idiot? Got that right - (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by Klio on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:33:35 PM EST
    you're speaking for me as well, BTD.  Thank you.  

    Completely off the mark BTD (4.66 / 3) (#4)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:09:45 PM EST

    I still haven't watched it (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:02 PM EST
    But I think the question stands: will the media love be enough to get Obama out of this?

    I've never been sure if it was Obama-love (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:00:32 PM EST
    or Hillary-hate on the part of the media. You can bet that if Hillary gets involved in this at all, Obama will have the media defending himm.

    I'm with you on this. But why isn't (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:30 PM EST

    It was a little cocker spaniel dog in a crate.... (none / 0) (#17)
    by jerry on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:43 PM EST
    Richard Nixon's Checkers Speech [September 23, 1952]

    Any similarity?  (I really don't know...)

    The media bought that garbage from Nixon (none / 0) (#85)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:38:45 PM EST
    and that helped him stay in the game. Look how that turned out.

    Oh man, is white America even paying (none / 0) (#23)
    by annabelly on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:17:47 PM EST
    attention? For days and days and days all the networks have had on black commentators, done interviews, etc, and all they've been saying is that the black church is under attack, black liberation theology is under attack, hinting that Obama better never sell out over it. I would bet real money this impacts those 90% AA numbers. And he can't afford it in NC or IN, even if he does pick up a few token white working class voters.

    Not everybody has cable (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by catfish on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:57 PM EST
    people were so amazed the ABC debate had such high ratings. You know what? This was the first one-on-one debate that was NOT on cable!

    Not everybody will see the clips of Wright at the national press club. Media viewership is very fragmented.

    Also, with so many news cycles this can actually get absorbed before Indiana and North Carolina vote.

    We'll see what happens.


    I agree annabelly, (none / 0) (#104)
    by Leisa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:10 PM EST
    we will have to wait and see what happens.  Time will give us more information.  It is an interesting and unpredictable development.

    Got My Respect (none / 0) (#31)
    by flashman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:19:49 PM EST
    I know it's a tough thing to cut ties with someone who he has known and trusted for over two decades.  I'll hand it to Obama; he did the right thing, indeed.

    Yes, but he's basically calling (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:42 PM EST
    Wright a senile old coot. You think Wright will take this lying down??
    He's probably going to be commenting on TV tonight.

    Of course he will (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:34:21 PM EST
    Wright said during his interviews these past couple of days that Obama says what he has to say as a politician and nothing he says about his friend is to be construed as personal.

    If Obama was emotional today, it was because he's furious that he has to take a stand. We have no right to ask him who he is, what he stands for, what he's going to do. He's made that vividly apparent on multiple occasions.  Look at how angry and defensive he was post-PA debate as if his poor performance was everyone elses fault but his own.

    Did he take questions today or was this all carefully scripted?  I watched Hillary give her exceptionally uplifting appearance in front of the editoria board in Indiana instead.


    Its astonishing (none / 0) (#71)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:44 PM EST
    And Never expected him to do anything like this.

    It'll touch off a theological war.


    Saying Someone Changed (none / 0) (#86)
    by flashman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:39:01 PM EST
    isn't the same as calling him senile.  What I respect is that Obama can stand up for what is right, and say that even his trusted friend and mentor is wrong to make those kinds of hateful statements.  Sure it's late in the game, and probably won't do Obama any good politically, but right it right, no matter what is does or doesn't do for you.

    Didn't Wright already say (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by Leisa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:53:44 PM EST
    all of those things that were disagreeable to some American people before yesterday?  

    Wright just also put Obama into context of the issues.  He said the truth, Obama is a politician and will say what he feels he needs to say as a politician.  

    He basically called him out on his character.  I think that is why Obama is upset.


    He Did (none / 0) (#156)
    by flashman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:09:17 PM EST
    but Obama didn't want to totally dissassociate himself w/Wright.  It's understandable that, if there is a chance to repair the relationship, then Obama would try to do it.  He had previously said he wanted to give Wright the benifit of the doubt, considering the man's total record.  One would hope that by doing that, the person in question would try to get along too.  But Wright don't want to get along.  He seems more combative than ever, and genuinely incredulous at Obama's attempts to fix things.  I think Obama just finally had enough.

    had no choice but to do what he did today (none / 0) (#41)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:43 PM EST
    but he made some slips today. He said he was never his spiritual advisor. But of course he said that a lot, so there are lots of clips of him saying it. And really the biggest mistake, the cute meme that Wright today is somehow different than he was last week (um, I mean 20 years ago, snark). Of course Wright is no different, and the things he said over the weekend are no different than what he has said in the past.

    But as a media darling, it may work. Unless someone outside the media pushes the inconsistencies. Or of course unless Wright decides it's time for a biblical sacrificing of a beloved son for the good of the community.

    Of course as much as he has been a media darling (to put it mildly) the voters seem to be feeling different. So it may not be enough. I don't think it will be, and I think it's too late.

    Ok...cannot help it (5.00 / 20) (#50)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:25:53 PM EST
    " I have never had spiritual relations with that man"

    LOL! Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:34:23 PM EST
    Comment of the Week (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
    Worthy of a bumper sticker!

    Funny You Should Say That (none / 0) (#129)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:58 PM EST
    After the debate, Paul Lukasiak did a post at Corrente about why Jeremiah Wright was Obama's Monica Lewinsky.

    LOL!!! (none / 0) (#142)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:59:01 PM EST
    Let us know if you or anyone makes up those bumper stickers. I'll take one. Perfect.

    Obama is angry (none / 0) (#163)
    by stefystef on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:12:12 PM EST
    because Wright put him in his position in the first place.

    I think Obama thought that Wright understood to stay under wraps until after the primaries, but Wright is more into himself than Obama.  And Obama is more into himself than anyone else.  

    So Obama is angry at Wright, angry at Hillary, angry at working class whites who aren't buying the bill of goods he selling...

    The mask is slipping...


    Spiritual advisor... 20 minutes.20 days.20 years (none / 0) (#211)
    by jackyt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:14:54 PM EST
    Who knows? Wright may have gained the label only recently, when Obama felt he needed to prove his "Christian-ness". The whole relationship smacks of phoniness any way you slice it.

    I agree with you BTD. (none / 0) (#47)
    by ajain on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:51 PM EST

    He should've done this (none / 0) (#58)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:29 PM EST
    long ago. I have a really hard time believing he wasn't aware of the stylized rhetoric being used in the sermons.

    I went to one sermon from my aunt's church and knew right away what type of stuff he preacher was spouting.

    That she was 80ish with a hearing aide she turned off during the sermons...heh.

    I Disagree (none / 0) (#59)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:28:37 PM EST
    I think he made a major mistake by not being honest or at least consistent. Too much of what he said today contradicts previous statements on Rev. Wright. The Republican 527s would just need to do a compare and contrast to  completely discredit him on this if the media doesn't do it for them first.

    Rove is a blankity blank but he was right about having one story and sticking to it. Obama has been back and forth on I did hear - I didn't hear, friend and mentor - no more that a paster etc., etc. so many times he has no credibility.  

    Rolling Stone - Feb 2007 (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:51:35 PM EST
    Radical roots of Obama - http://tinyurl.com/ywrdfg
    Article asserts Obama's ideas are firmly rooted in Wright's radical ideology.

    Excellent Link (5.00 / 1) (#214)
    by Cheryl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:20:26 PM EST
    Send this one off to MSNBC and CNN. Apparently, they're having problems with research since they buy into Obama's "I never heard this before" schtick.

    This is a soap opera about race and (none / 0) (#60)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:28:41 PM EST
    racist it's no longer a Priamry about our country.

    havent seen it talked about here (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:43:16 PM EST
    but there are other things in what the Rev said that are pretty awful.
    from riverdaughter:

    That's why "The Wright Issue" resonates with me. It's going to be a long time before I stop the sound of Rev. Wright sneering, "Ask not what your country can do for you" out of my ears. There is no worthy context for that.

    Actually .... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by katiebird on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:59 PM EST
    That was me.  And Riverdaughter didn't really approve.

    my apoligies (none / 0) (#137)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:29 PM EST
    I approve.
    and agree.

    (smile) (none / 0) (#146)
    by katiebird on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:00:55 PM EST

    Agree with BTD (none / 0) (#102)
    by Faust on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:46:40 PM EST

    not, not, not (none / 0) (#121)
    by TheRefugee on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:53:42 PM EST
    C'mon, saying this was a "heartfelt" renunciation is like Kos saying Clinton isn't a Dem...it is grasping at straws to build a strawman to add or subtract, to or from, a candidates electability.

    You think that Obama is the most electable, no surprise that someone believing such would immediately jump to the conclusion that this is what "Obama really feels".

    Obama is doing what is politically expedient, AGAIN!  What do the fellow members of the UCC Trinity Church think about Obama's irrevocable tossing of Wright under the bus to bolster his failing candidacy?  What do other blacks who have rallied to Wright's defense think?  What do other black preachers who use similar rhetoric to "wow" their congregations think?

    Obama has defended his attendance at his church, defended Wright, chastised those of us who think that Wright is an inflammatory gloryhound, and told us not to jump to conclusions about Wright, the UCC Trinity, and himself concerning issues of faith, his support of Wright and Wright's ranting sermons, etc.  Now that Wright exposes himself AS THE TRUE MENTOR he was to Obama and once again brings into question just why Obama chooses people like Wright as confidants and mentors---he finally cuts the rope tying himself to Wright.

    Too bad.  Too late.  He doesn't mean it.  Wright says he doesn't take offense to Obama's denunciations because he knows it is just "political".  You think Obama means what he says...Sorry, the ultimate flip-flopping politician should get no such latitude...my opinion would be that Obama, either personally or via an intermediary, sent Wright a message to the effect:  "We're still friends, I still have the utmost respect for you, but please hold your tongue until Nov and after that you are free to say whatever you want to whomever you want."

    But I'll bet Obama won't be welcomed back to UCC with open arms any time soon.

    Disagree with BTD (none / 0) (#123)
    by cannondaddy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:22 PM EST
    on the point that he should have done this long ago.  I think this is the first real opportunity.  The Perfect Union speech was not the time to fully disavow Wright.  This was the opportunity he needed to do so.

    of course... (none / 0) (#222)
    by dws3665 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:18:02 PM EST
    these remarks wholly contradict the Perfect Union speech.

    So ... which is it?


    I hope Rev Wright keeps it up (none / 0) (#135)
    by SoCali on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:07 PM EST
    Rev Wright does an excellent job of delineating between historical liberals and  what has become known as progressives.
    I agree with him and found the Utube posted above more in line with what Obama should say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0wvQMqSzTM

    At a minimum, millions of people understand what Wright is saying and agree with much of it. It goes without saying that he has a right to those opinions.
    This country has a racial problem. It makes me laugh to watch the latest speeches by Wright just throw it up in the face of America. The style is all planned. If you saw him on Bill Moyers he projected a wholly different persona.
    I hope Wright finds a platform that forces America to come to grips with the pervasive racism that still exists in America.

    Too late: Already said Wright = His grandmother. (none / 0) (#144)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:00:05 PM EST
    And that "grandmother" just said Farrakhan was of the great figures of the 20th century. Now Obama, Wright, Farrakhan and Yakub can all go off into the sunset together aboard their UFO.

    Plus, Obama himself already helped organize at least one Farrakhan event  It was a positive event, yes, but right before Farrakhan went to give his speech at the event, he said that the "Mother Wheel would soon destroy all of White America." You don't help someone that heads an organization that is defined by the Southern Poverty Law Center, ADL, and other groups as a hate group organize anything.

    Obama's campaign is over -- the only question is if the super delegates can get the Democratic Party out of this before he ruins are chances in the general.

    WRT Aravosis, I am in complete agreement. (none / 0) (#160)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:10:54 PM EST

    His New Hampshire moment? (none / 0) (#166)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:15:19 PM EST
    OK, MSNBC is trying to spin for him.  

    First talking head: Is this his New Hampshire moment?  Had he bought in to  the media and believed this was his destiny? (gag)  He showed emotion, this may very well pull white women to him.

    Other head: he always reacts one day too late.

    If Wright is angry, he will go after Obama for his perceived weaknesses, being a politician and not being truthful, not being strong enough for a fight if he's dismissive of Wright, and someone who will throw others under the bus.  I am assuming Wright has nothing on him or else Obama would never have done this.

    the New Hampshire moment (none / 0) (#182)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:29:33 PM EST
    That resulted from an unfair media pile-up against Hillary combined with Obama's own sour statement that she was "likeable enough" and the overwhelming feeling that Clinton's entire candidancy was on the line so many people went out to "save her" and give her a chance.  Not to mention a strong debate performance by Hillary and some barnburner rallies by Bill Clinton in the closing hours.

    So once the media turns against Obama AND Hillary says something sour about him AND his supporters feel it is do or die in NC and India for him AND if he agrees to another debate so he can turn in a STRONG performance... then he can get his New Hampshire moment.


    "pull white women to him." (none / 0) (#207)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:06:48 PM EST

    Who said that? A man?


    A woman (none / 0) (#208)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:11:40 PM EST
    a man, I believe it was Chuck Todd, said he is always a day too late in responding.

    Too late... (none / 0) (#179)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:25:38 PM EST
    Taylor Marsh has a great post about why Obama chose to seek divorce from Wright today. Seems tehre was polling being done in NC (robocall--by who is unknown) about the Obama_Wright relationship and who were they leaning to vote for. It seems it was bad enough news for Obama.

    How is it that Obama sold (none / 0) (#185)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:31:08 PM EST
    Wright down the river to appease poor white people?  Maybe Obama sold nothing and said what he meant.  Maybe Obama judges people by their words and deeds and skin color doesn't even factor into it? Gee, I wonder why you got timeout?  What could you have posted that was speculation based on nothing more solid than obnoxious crap? What could you have posted that was racist and inappropriate?  Hmmmmm?  I'm feeling very sick of you right now, it always passes though when something relevant soon takes place.

    North Carolina (none / 0) (#189)
    by smott on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:35:02 PM EST
    Any speculation on what this does to black and white turnout in NC?
    Wright got a standing O from NAACP...today he's under a bus.

    What does that do to the voting dynamics in NC?

    AIDS comment confuses me (none / 0) (#193)
    by Terry M on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:45:19 PM EST
    Maybe I misunderstood - I've only seen the press conference once - but it seemed as though Obama said he found Wrights' comment at the Press Club regarding the gov't and AIDS to be very troubling.  That is, it seemed as though Obama was suggesting that he never heard Wright say that before.  Did I misunderstand Obama?  Because that was one of the soundbytes that was heard over and over long time ago - and one I found esp. troubling!

    BTW, I agree COMPLETELY with Big Tent's thoughts re Avarosis.  Insane.

    Aravosis once was very upset with Obama about (none / 0) (#202)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:58:13 PM EST
    his use of a country singer homophobe in his campaign, iirc.

    Was that only back in SC?



    yeah (none / 0) (#204)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:01:44 PM EST
    and he turned on a dime soon after that.
    did he get a memo?  a check?
    thats when I stopped going there.

    I'm not sure if this will help with (none / 0) (#196)
    by Radix on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:49:26 PM EST
    the blue-collar or women's vote. This may help to stop the bleeding, not sure if this will put any blood back in though. This could hurt him with his AA constituency, if they perceive him as a sell out. Tough call.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

    What's the big deal about Wright? (none / 0) (#197)
    by NealB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:50:04 PM EST
    That he has said some things in some sermons over the years that some people find outrageous? Religious leaders have said nutsy, insulting things everywhere since the dawn of time. The whole uproar is ridiculous.

    almost as silly (none / 0) (#205)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:02:35 PM EST
    as Kerry shooting himself to get out of the military isnt it?

    But... (none / 0) (#203)
    by superjude on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:01:29 PM EST
    did Oama denounce the hateful speach directed at Hillary Clinton in January? If he hasn't heard about it and seen the videos that we have all seen, then he is woefully uninformed for a presidential candidate. If he has seen it, why hasn't it informed his opinion of the Reverend Wright before today?

    Obama (none / 0) (#206)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:04:26 PM EST
    did the right thing, although it may be too little too late on this issue.

    However, he did the right thing.  Wright is toxic.

    I suppose Wright will say with a smirk, "Obama has to do that politician thing."


    My $.02 (none / 0) (#209)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:11:56 PM EST
    I think he's going to get a short term positive bump out of this and win the media spin wars.  His campaign probably knew that the Wright issue was making it impossible for him to make any headway into Hillary's base in IN and that it was also causing him to lose support within his own base in NC & IN.  My guess is that the press conference will shore up support within his own base but I think the damage may have been done in terms of him making any significant inroads in IN.  It'll be interesting to see the polling on this issue.

    IMO, he should have done this in Philly and not waited this long.  I think he's really put his GE prospects in jeopardy