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Barack Obama and his camp made the right political choice in having Barack Obama denounce and reject the Rev. Jeremiah Wright (and not just his words) today. This decision was also the right thing to do. What Wright has stated now on numerous occasions, both in the pulpit and elsewhere, is appalling, foolish, offensive, divisive and delusional.

Obama should have done this long ago. And while I am sure his Philadelphia speech was lovely, it really was not about what Jeremiah Wright had said and done. Today, finally, Barack Obama addressed the issue of Jeremiah Wright. And he did so quite well.

Of course politics is central to all of this. Obama is a politician. But I think his words today were sincere and heartfelt as well as politically shrewd today. Let's hope he has limited the damage.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

More . ..

John Aravosis:

It's difficult to see someone you once respected turn into a crazy man. A craven politician, Hillary comes to mind, would turn on that person (or constituency) in a flash. A normal person, a good Christian, would struggle with the fact that the now-crazy man has done good in his life as well. How do you reconcile the two? Politicians don't. Real men - and real Christians - do.

What an effing idiot.

Speaking for me only of course.

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    BTD - no disrespect - (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by MMW on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:07:43 PM EST
    Tell me how he wins the general with the wealth of sound bites he has thus far generated?

    all i can think of is- (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:16:49 PM EST
    I was actually for it before I was against it, no wonder Kerry endorsed him.

    [ Parent ]
    yeah (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:20:29 PM EST
    he was my spiritual adviser before he wasnt.


    [ Parent ]
    Come on... it's not like he said that... (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:24:37 PM EST
    ...Wright was the same as grandmother and that he could never disown him... or that he was his "sounding board," "spiritual advisor," or "mentor"... oh wait... yeah, he's screwed.

    [ Parent ]
    And Wright is hardly the only problem (5.00 / 5) (#45)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:37 PM EST
    If this was the only issue Obama had to put behind him, fine... maybe he'd have a chance.

    There are too many shady people in the circle.  Too many.  Not one.


    [ Parent ]

    sound bites - (5.00 / 5) (#82)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:36:45 PM EST
    Michelle Obama wasn't really proud of America until she saw the outpouring of support for her husband's presidential run.
    Wright has been slamming America for years, but Obama didn't denounce him until Wright disrespected HIM and he was down in the polls.


    [ Parent ]
    He cant (none / 0) (#190)
    by AlSmith on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:35:11 PM EST

    We can have a video a month until November to deal with.

    And based on what he just committed to in today's speech, he is dead in the water if he is visible in any crowd shot in a DVD. Or Michelle for that matter.

    Or even if a Trinity Veterans for Truth comes forward and there are ads from people saying that they were in Church with him when the Rev was giving  some of his "faith footnotes". Are the voters going to believe 6 guys saying here was there or one candidate saying he doesn't remember?

    Tick tick tick. If I were an SD I take him in a room and cross examine him before I committed to anything.

    [ Parent ]

    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Benjamin3 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:50:14 PM EST
    Trinity Veterans for Truth!

    In his attempt to win back some white voters, hasn't Obama just thrown the entire AA community under the bus?  I think it was in his Philadelphia speech that he said, "I could no more disown Reverend Wright than I could disown the entire African-American community."  Anyways, I'm sure the media will slobber over him doing this today - but I do think it is a little late.  I think it might hurt him some with black voters in NC, but not enough to make much difference.  It's also the last state in the primaries where their votes are really crucial.

    The biggest problem for me all along has been Obama's lack of political judgment in the whole Wright matter.  He knew it would be a problem at some point, yet he did nothing until the whole thing blew up back in mid-March.


    [ Parent ]

    For those, like me, who (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:07:52 PM EST
    did not see the press conference and missed the CNN re-run, you can see portions of Obama's speech at CNN's website.

    Transcript of Obama's remarks (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:16 PM EST
    can be found at the NYT website.

    Jeff Zeleny of the Times writes:

    For the second day in a row, Senator Barack Obama sought to distance himself from the remarks made by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and forcefully denounced the incendiary comments he feared would provide "comfort to those who prey on hate."
    "I'm outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Mr. Obama said, speaking to reporters here today. He added, "I find these comments appalling. It contradicts everything that I'm about and who I am."

    Seeking to quell the political damage the controversy is dealing to his campaign, Mr. Obama called a press conference after a town meeting here this afternoon to raise the volume of his criticism of his former pastor. In his speech on race last month in Philadelphia, where he tried to put the matter behind him, Mr. Obama said he gave Mr. Wright the benefit of the doubt.

    But after watching three days of Mr. Wright's commentary in televised speeches and interviews, Mr. Obama said, "there are no excuses."
    "They offend me, they rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced," he said. "That's what I am doing very clearly and unequivocally here today."

    Today, the comments by Mr. Obama were considerably stronger than any previous remarks he has made about Mr. Wright. Yesterday, he dismissed the remarks, but also criticized his opponents and the media for spending too much time dwelling on his former pastor.
    Asked why the change in posture, Mr. Obama said he had not seen the televised comments until last night. When he did, he said they "shocked and surprised" him, and he decided to clarify his position.



    [ Parent ]
    More of (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:17:34 PM EST
    "I didn't know" from Obama.

    Implausible deniability.

    [ Parent ]

    From "Casablanca": (5.00 / 3) (#173)
    by kmblue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:21:20 PM EST
    "I'm shocked, shocked, to learn that gambling
    is taking place in this establishment!"

    "Your winnings, sir."

    [ Parent ]

    who is he kidding? (none / 0) (#184)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:30:31 PM EST
    Asked why the change in posture, Mr. Obama said he had not seen the televised comments until last night. When he did, he said they "shocked and surprised" him, and he decided to clarify his position.

    It's the most problematic issue almost everyone in the political arena was following and he didn't know? If he wasn't watching it lve I am SURE an aid show it to him on some gadget (PDA?) or commented it to him.  

    His change of posture was due more likely to the polloing being done in NC on this issue...


    [ Parent ]

    Most problematics (none / 0) (#186)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:31:11 PM EST
    for BO these days, that is.

    [ Parent ]
    It does sound a bit (none / 0) (#199)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:51:40 PM EST
    like Andy Card having to show Bush, during the flight to NOLA, a DVD of the destruction caused by Katrina.

    [ Parent ]
    Did you see that press conference? (none / 0) (#215)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:22:11 PM EST
    Because the guy was really out there.  It seems that a lot of people all of a sudden totally switched their positions on Wright once they saw it.

    Clyburn was on both CNN and MSNBC trying to clean up his mess big time this morning.

    If fact, I saw quite a few people who seemed to be clamouring for air time to backtrack on their previous defenses of Wright.

    I am sure polls factored in, but I do believe that that Wright's performance yesterday made a lot of people feel very foolish for defending him.

    [ Parent ]

    I wonder (5.00 / 2) (#217)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:35:53 PM EST
    when people are going to figure out that most people say what they mean.

    Obama can claim to be opposed to the hate in the message.  But he's run a very divisive campaign.

    His own words mean something.  He meant what he said about the people in PA.  Samantha said the same about the people in Ohio, and I hollared loudly at the time, saying Obama owed THEM an apology.  It took his own slip to get one, and he never has really apologized.

    Today he finally spit out a clear denunciation, but it's clear that he tried to avoid it.  He dang well knows what Wright is all about and has always known it.

    And his campaign shows the roots of that thinking.

    So we'll have to see if people buy this baloney.

    [ Parent ]

    I saw Wright yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#220)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:02:40 PM EST
    be a clown at the Press Club and read his NAACP speech
    (same thing, but can't pint to the NAACP).

    But, excuse me :  Wright was far less challenging and much more subdued yesterday than in his sermons These were incendiary and full of bigotry and insults (I am still waiting for everyone to condemn Wright for the way he insulted HRC). Wright published Hamas manifesto in his Pastor page, and was displayed with encouraging words in the church bulletin board.

    So, no, I was not appalled by what I saw yesterday at the Press club; that's very tame compared with what I knew and heard from Wright before was much more appalling.  

    So, C'On; who is he and everyone else kidding?

    [ Parent ]

    The political speech at the pulpit (none / 0) (#221)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 06:15:31 PM EST
    was impossible for me to get around.

    I think the man is divisive and racist and have done since I first watched that video.

    Obama was lucky that the media ran with the "God damn America" video instead of the "rich white people" and Hillary wasn't called a... political sermon.  OTOH - he might have been unlucky in a way because had that been the video that got the most play, Obama would have been forced to do what he did today much earlier I think.

    [ Parent ]

    sincere and heartfelt (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:09:41 PM EST
    that he wishes he never met the guy,
    no doubt.
    I dont honestly think this will change a thing.
    if he had done this months ago, maybe.
    all this will do IMO is keep Wright in the news.


    And is he sincere (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:20:37 PM EST
    when he says that this is not the same Reverend Wright he met 20 years ago? Are we supposed to believe that he did not know that Wright was like this? Next thing you know we will be hearing that Wright is in the beginning stages of dementia and that explains his behavior.
    As I write this, MSNBC is discussing whether people will feel sorry for Obama now that they have seen this more "fragile", "emotional" side. And they are saying that Wright gave Obama permission to cut himself loose from him. Wow! Even I didn't see that coming.

    [ Parent ]
    I've never seen (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:42 PM EST
    a politician excommunicate themselves from their church like this. It's quite novel.  I predict Obama is going to lose now. But he also needed to do this at teh same time.

    I can imagine the sermons now being written, by Wright's friends in the black Clergy.

    [ Parent ]

    If That Is The Case, obama Should Be Skewered (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:10 PM EST
    like Hillary was for her verklempt moment.

    [ Parent ]
    Immediately my thought. (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by Fabian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:45:11 PM EST
    ooooh, Obama's so e-MO-tional!  Tell me quick - did he shed a tear?

    Bleargh.  I don't care about candidates' "emotions".    Let's talk polices and issues, preferrably without the "ums".

    [ Parent ]

    I'm wairting for Jesse Jackson III (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:17:54 PM EST
    to speculate about why he didn't get so emotional about Katrina victims.

    Waiting, but not holding my breath.

    [ Parent ]

    Of course not. Obama carefully, only (5.00 / 3) (#165)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:15:08 PM EST
    spoke about Wright's comments to the National Press Club, and that is the way it is being reported on CNN, I see -- only the comments "yesterday."

    So Obama has no problems with Wright's speech to the NAACP.  Of course not, as Obama dare not reject and denounce the NAACP.

    But Wright said a lot of the same, problematic stuff in the NAACP speech that he said to the Press Club.  So Obama's problem really is not with the content of Wright's pronouncements, only when at the Press Club.

    I really hope someone in the media puts this together and asks Obama if it means he's fine with what Wright said on Sunday, not just on Monday.

    [ Parent ]

    Ah, Yesterday! (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:54:24 PM EST
    Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away
    Now it looks as though they're here to stay
    Oh, I believe in yesterday.

    Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be,
    There's a shadow hanging over me.
    Oh, yesterday came suddenly.
    snip
    Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play.
    Now I need a place to hide away.
    Oh, I believe in yesterday.

    ~~~Beatles

    [ Parent ]

    Obama didn't denounce... (none / 0) (#172)
    by stevenb on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:21:17 PM EST
    all the people in the audience at the National Press Club who were jeering and clapping all throughout Wright's damaging speech.

    Obama can easily denounce Wright now, but what about the sentiments that have resonance throughout the black community?

    [ Parent ]

    He Only Denounced Wright's Comments, Not (4.00 / 1) (#51)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:26:06 PM EST
    Wright, I believe.  So isn't it basically status quo?

    [ Parent ]
    No, he now says that (5.00 / 6) (#81)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:36:14 PM EST
    after what he saw yesterday his relationship with Wright has changed.

    There was a lot of yesterday in his remarks.

    [ Parent ]

    Yesterday When obama's Troubles Seemed (5.00 / 5) (#112)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:50:34 PM EST
    so far away....lol

    [ Parent ]
    It's McCartneyism. (5.00 / 9) (#117)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:52:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Salo....GOOD ONE!! (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:33:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yesterday = not taking on the NAACP (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:16:37 PM EST
    Translation provided by your friends at WORM, Inc.

    [ Parent ]
    Too little (none / 0) (#130)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:17 PM EST
    too late.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, I don't agree (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:10:15 PM EST
    I know he had to do SOMETHING, but this keeps it in the news another day or so.  There's also too much video out there of Obama saying exactly the opposite of what he said today.

    He could have been the most sincere person on earth today, but this just looks like desperation. As others have pointed out, this is going to go to the heart of his argument - his superior judgment.  Trust me, I've church shopped when I didn't like what the priest was saying (and I've never had a priest say some of the awful things Wright has said).  It takes about 6 months to get a feel for a place, not 20 years.

    I don't believe Obama when he says he never heard stuff like this - it's like the old line from Casablanca ("I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you...")

    precisely... (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by p lukasiak on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM EST
    the only way he could have gotten away with it today is if he had admitted he knew what Wright was like when he made "the greatest speech about EVAH!", but felt that because Wright was retiring, there was no point in embarrassing him and -- more importantly -- the people of his church.

    The "I didn't know" stuff ain't gonna fly -- and it fills in a very big blank in terms of defining Obama in the minds of voters.  All that has to happen is for them to hear once "how could he possibly be surprised, after knowing Wright for 20 years" and Obama's essential dishonesty will be written in stone in people's minds.

    [ Parent ]

    Especially Since He Admitted That He Heard (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:32 PM EST
    inappropriate comments from Rev. Wright. IIRC he said that in his "Greatest Speech On Race Ever."

    [ Parent ]
    It's Even Weaker (5.00 / 2) (#157)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:10:27 PM EST
    Because he already used this defense with Rezko.  From the Sun-Times:

    Is Rezko still a friend?

    "Yes,'' Obama said, "with the caveat if it turns out the allegations are true, then he's not who I thought he was, and I'd be very disappointed with that.''



    [ Parent ]
    Obama is too far Wright - (none / 0) (#139)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:57:06 PM EST
    and it's a little too late to do the Wright thing now.


    [ Parent ]
    Still misunderstood (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by ctrenta on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:25 PM EST
    Rev. Jeremiah Wright's friend, Father Pfelger told it right from the get go: This guys is completely misunderstood. Watch how he handles the FOX News flunkie.

    Watch here.


    passive aggressive 4 ratings (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:16:59 PM EST
    lol, I see that.

    [ Parent ]
    Nice smackdown of FOX (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:39 PM EST
    That FOX news producer is the same one that likes to go ambush people like the CEO of JetBlue, I think.  It was about time someone responded that way to him.

    [ Parent ]
    that is a pwnt journalist (4.00 / 0) (#52)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:26:30 PM EST
    Pfelger just owned him, I haven't laughed so hard in days.

    Maybe Obama should go to Pfelger's church for 8 years and then run again.  He has debating down pat.

    [ Parent ]

    I would have more respect for Obama (none / 0) (#128)
    by halstoon on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST
    if he addressed Wright the way Pfleger addressed him. Selling hiim down the river to appease poor white people is not a move I admire in Sen. Obama.

    I know it's disrespectful in his eyes to say he wasn't sincere in his rejection of Wright, but I think it's disrespectful to reject Wright in the first place.

    Why go to a church that bases itself on social justice and is led by a preacher who speaks the naked truth about America for 20 years and then expect people to act as though you don't agree with those things? Why didn't he find a more sedate and traditional church if he wanted to be perceived in that manner?

    [ Parent ]

    You are suspended this week (none / 0) (#131)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:28 PM EST
    Comment again on Saturday.

    [ Parent ]
    The media demanded this (none / 0) (#161)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:11:29 PM EST
    I'm not so sure he should have so emphatically excommunicated himself like this.

    I'm not sure that any working class whites wanted to see this either.

    [ Parent ]

    Who did? (none / 0) (#213)
    by halstoon on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM EST
    Clinton and McCain, for two. He may be toast now.

    [ Parent ]
    That particular cat is out of the bag (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by Jim J on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:43 PM EST
    The media did Obama no favors by idolizing him and failing to scrutinize him. Now the bubble is burst and he has nothing to fall back on.

    Wright has done all the damage possible, even if he says nary a public word for the rest of his life. Which in itself is extremely unlikely.

    JimJ (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:14 PM EST
    An astonishing collection of metaphors.  But somehow it all makes perfect sense

    He just excommunicated himself from his Pastor.

    It's like nothing I have ever seen before in my life.

    I've read about Henry VIII and Henry II, but I've never seen what it really looks like in the flesh.

    [ Parent ]

    Except for the lack of (none / 0) (#107)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:27 PM EST
    heads literally rolling.

    [ Parent ]
    BTD, he's sincerely hurt, personally.. (5.00 / 9) (#9)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:47 PM EST
    but what about the outrageous things Wright said about Hillary? These came at a very convenient time for Obama. Will he ever address those?
    Does the press even discuss this incident anymore?

    I have never (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:35:10 PM EST
    heard them address it at all.

    [ Parent ]
    Twenty years, wasn't it, (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:13:42 PM EST
    he has sat in a pew at Trinity UCC while The Rev. Wright held forth from the pulpit and elsewhere in public?  Won't voters be a bit wary of this latter day renouncing and rejecting by Obama?  Won't the media reject this ploy?

    Perhaps (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:42 PM EST
    Time will tell.

    [ Parent ]
    What about his church? (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by Exeter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:29:50 PM EST
    Is he still a member of his church that gave Farrakhan the lifetime achievment award? His new pastor just gave a sermon on Easter Sunday directly quoting from the violent Ice Cube rap, "Wrong #igga to #uck wit."  Where does it end?

    [ Parent ]
    No (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:26 PM EST
    They will push Obama's spin that this was not the same Reverend Wright that Obama met 20 years ago. Anything to keep the chosen one in the race against that vile old woman.

    [ Parent ]
    Who cares about the media? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:28:49 PM EST
    Voters get to decide what to think of Obama's latest "pivot" on this issue.


    [ Parent ]
    voters yes (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:19:40 PM EST
    media no, of course not.  its all settled as far as they are concerned.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama's chickens came home to roost. (5.00 / 13) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:20 PM EST
    His campaign is now reaping the bitter harvest of its decision to "swift-bait" Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    You know, one nice thing about being the parent of teenagers is that they have yet to learn or master the fine adult art of situational rationalization, and still retain an innate and highly attuned sensitivity to hypocrisy.  Further, if they are interested in politics, when you observe them during an election year, teens can be a very good barometer for gauging what Steven Colbert calls "truthiness". Both of my daughters saw Obama's comments today, and because they are also two of his more youthful supporters, they're understandably quite deflated right now.

    That is really interesting (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:07 PM EST
    because I keep thinking that Obama's rationalizations remind me of the kinds of things my kids used to try on me when they were teenagers. Whenever Obama gets called out his excuse is to try to find something similar that Hillary did wrong too. My kids were always trying this kind of excuse - "You think I'm bad,well so-and-so did/said this....."
    When I think about it, they could tell when someone else was using these kinds of tactics so I get your point.

    [ Parent ]
    A day late and a dollar short (5.00 / 9) (#13)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:29 PM EST
    and not fully believable.  Should have done this weeks ago, then it could have mattered.  How do you attend a church for 20 years, be a close associate of the pastor, and not know the pastor is a nutjob?

    Interesting to me that he only did this when it seemed to get personal to him?  Didn't seem to care how it looked or felt to the country before.  Very narcissistic behavior.


    Ah, BTD, (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
    timing is all.

    Obama should have rejected Wright as soon as he knew he wanted to run for President. (IMHO)

    The Reverend Wright is not acceptable as a President's mentor, pastor and friend. We all know that.

    Why didn't Obama?

    he has 8000 constituents in one church that's why. (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:28 PM EST
    if he's not President, Senator Obama will have to run again for his Senate seat in 2010 I think. So he may have just dismissed a good chunk of his supporters as he denounced Rev. Wright as as spectacle. The church members aren't going to forget, I could be wrong, more people go to that church because they believe in the message the Pastor delivers. Most aren't politicians looking for votes.  

    [ Parent ]
    Instead he gave the church how (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by katiebird on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:33:21 PM EST
    many thousand dollars?  According to my memory, it was more than a lot of people take home in a year.

    Didn't he make that donation the year before he announced?  And after all the rumors that he was going to run?

    Who give such huge amounts of money to organizations  without knowing exactly what the head of that organization believes.  In fact, don't you give that sort of money because you agree with him?

    [ Parent ]

    Hurt? (5.00 / 12) (#18)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:15:42 PM EST
    Sorry, I don't buy it.  He used Wright and now Wright is not convenient.  You don't get to pluck the bits you like from someone and then throw them away.  I think he handled the whole thing badly.  He did not know what he was doing when he used Wright, to get the wins in Illinois.  Now, he owns him.  I think he is inept politically.  Obama got caught in his own tangle of race and religion.  Someone like Wright is not gonna go away in the night after Obama called him an "crazy uncle" basically stuck in the past.  

    Another Good Argument For Keeping Church (5.00 / 3) (#118)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:52:42 PM EST
    and state separate.

    [ Parent ]
    Amen! (none / 0) (#176)
    by magisterludi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:24:16 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    As MO Blue has already pointed out (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:15:58 PM EST
    there is video out there of him saying the exact opposite of everything he has decided he believes and feels today.  The damage has only begun BTD.

    agreed (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:17:57 PM EST
    because now he has to reconcile the things he said today with all the other things he has said.
    it will get worse.

    [ Parent ]
    He waited too long (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Grey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:03 PM EST
    How is it possible that, as late as last night, Obama was brushing away all questions about Rev. Wright, completely unconcerned, and today he wants me to believe that, while the news were filled with reports of the Reverend's comments, he had no idea he'd said any of the things he did?  No one briefed him?  Come on; that stretches all the limits of credulity.

    This presser should not buy him anything at all.  It might, because of the reservoir of good will he enjoys, but Obama should get none.

    game changer (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by cdo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:38 PM EST
    sorry but this was a game changer. He has made people in his own camp look foolish for defending Wright. He completely undoes whatever good he did in his Philly speech. He gains nothing and salvages nothing.

    I'll bet Obama isn't bored with the (5.00 / 9) (#35)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:24 PM EST
    campaign now.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#97)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:44:29 PM EST
    (I have a quippy comment to insert here...but I have to stop chuckling here given yesterday's discussion re: mothers and boredom.)

    [ Parent ]
    Exactly...so ridiculous (5.00 / 5) (#38)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:05 PM EST
    I have never seen so many liberals spin so quickly to justify Wright's positions.  I still contend, that for me I don't like Wright, but Obama is the guilty one here, cause he had no judgement, used him and discarded him.  And I tell you this is the way many people in the black community will see it.  

    [ Parent ]
    "Used him and discarded him." (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:23 PM EST
    I can think of others this phrase may apply to, i.e., Rezko.

    [ Parent ]
    What are you talking about? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by BernieO on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:44 PM EST
    As he constantly told us, Obama has SUPERIOR judgment because he gave a speech denouncing the vote to go authorize Bush to use force in Iraq.

    [ Parent ]
    And, because the sound quality was (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:34:45 PM EST
    inferior and he was, after all, running for the Dem. presidential nomination, he re-recorded the speech.

    [ Parent ]
    did he really? n/t (none / 0) (#167)
    by DJ on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:16:26 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Somebody needs to put the Philly Speech... (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by lambert on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:48:21 PM EST
    ... and this speech side by side, and just point out the inconsistencies in the transcripts.

    [ Parent ]
    That Might Take A Couple Of Posts (none / 0) (#147)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:01:30 PM EST
    to fit in all the inconsistencies.

    [ Parent ]
    Hey, You're somebody! (none / 0) (#158)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:10:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Well, one thing's for sure... (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by gmo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:18:54 PM EST
    <snark>...this should tank sales of his Philadelphia Speech DVD!   "I can no more disown Rev Wright than I could my own grandmother."  I suppose that doesn't exactly hold water anymore, does it?

    Well, I suppose that entire speech is now fraught with doublespeak and falsehoods.  So maybe it actually bumps up sales by being more of a blooper reel than anything else.  And hey, maybe in the director's cut, he'll include today's speech, too! </snark>

    Sorry for the snark, but I find it unbearable to call Obama's speech today "sincere and heartfelt," when I've been asked to buy into those emotions one too many time to apologize for Obama's missteps and poor judgement.   No more.  He's cried wolf and ducked, dodged and weaved (poorly) one too many times for me to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially with no real history to back him up.

    Clinton could insert the Stilletto (none / 0) (#92)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:42:50 PM EST
    Obama was ridin' Wright Dirty.

    or vice versa

    Wright is ridin' Obama Dirty.

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary Clinton is a lady. (none / 0) (#151)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:03:23 PM EST
    She will never do that. Especially given the mention of Monica in that particular sermon.

    [ Parent ]
    While Obama is not believable at all, (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:19:39 PM EST
    his SUPPORTERS can reasonably claim plausible deniabilty---I'm sure most of them had no idea how he would do so poorly under pressure.
    I understand that one Obama endorser in MI already threw Obama under the bus. Will others follow suit?
    That is the real question.

    Who? (none / 0) (#116)
    by Emma on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:52:12 PM EST
    Who in MI backed off supporting Obama?

    [ Parent ]
    Rep. Skelton from MO (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:38:02 PM EST
    endorsed HRC today he is the cchairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

    [ Parent ]
    Ike Skelton, I think (none / 0) (#127)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ike Skelton Is A Representative In Rural MO n/t (none / 0) (#150)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:03:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    MI didn't throw Obama under (none / 0) (#124)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:38 PM EST
    the bus completely.  It was painful to watch Travis Childer refuse to answer when asked if he would accept Obama's endorsement. He tried to twist by saying he wanted the endorsement of the people.  This looks really bad for down ticket, that guy was really going after him for being associated with Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Whoops, my bad (none / 0) (#138)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:55 PM EST
    two people.  Childer of Mississippi refused to answer if he would accept Obama's endorsement and Ike Skelton of Missouri endorsed Clinton.

    [ Parent ]
    MI is Michigan. (none / 0) (#148)
    by pie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:02:38 PM EST
    MS, Mississippi

    MO, Missouri

    [ Parent ]

    Well, this has certainly put the nail in the (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:12 PM EST
    coffin for no more debates.  s/n  

    Or, perhaps the opposite (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:28 PM EST
    Maybe this will encourage him to get back on stage and act like a man who wants to be our president.

    Hillary gave him that option again today during her editorial board meeting in Indiana..."if you're watching, it's not too late" she said to the camera.


    [ Parent ]

    That is almost as good as the (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:33:13 PM EST
    debate during which she reeled off her website address.

    [ Parent ]
    Did she do the two fingered (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:51:50 PM EST
    eye to eye point thing too? (Is there a word for that gesture) That would have been awesome.

    [ Parent ]
    Hypnotizing Chickens. (none / 0) (#126)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:47 PM EST
    That's what Iggy used to do.

    [ Parent ]
    lol....I think it stands for I'm Watching YOU!! (none / 0) (#136)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:56:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Or said (none / 0) (#120)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:53:19 PM EST
    "Barack, meet me at camera three", and given him a little talk, like Jon Stewart does.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama is still maturing (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by catfish on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:21:31 PM EST
    not just as a candidate but as an adult. He couldn't quite articulate what bothered him. He said Wright was insensitive to Obama and what Obama's campaign is trying to do. That was a very narcissistic thing to say.

    What's amazing about Obama is his body language exudes intelligence, compassion. But reading his statements in text it jumps out - he is not especially intelligent or compassionate.

    He should drop out now. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by chopper on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:07 PM EST
    Obama has way too many issues besides the anti-American preacher. There's Rezko, the indicted crook, Auchi, the Iraqi billionaire who gave Obama millions, Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist bomber.  Now there's Alice Palmer, his mentor who he back-stabbed, and is now campaigning for Hillary.

    He continues to lie or be deceitful about the lobbyist money he takes in. He keeps running the ad saying he doesn't take lobbyist money, and various media keep coming forth with lists of lobbyists he takes money from - including big-oil, drugs, subprime lenders, etc.

    He may as well drop out now because it's not going to get any better.  Hillary has been way too soft on him, but the GOP is starting to come down on him with ads hurting Dems candidates who are connected to him.  He's going to take down the entire Democratic Party.

    Obama did what he had to do today, (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by DaytonDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:23:20 PM EST
    but I have a sinking feeling that the Repugs are sitting on video showing Obama clapping along at one of these "troubling" sermons.

    They won't be able to enjoy that if Hillary is (none / 0) (#56)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:27:15 PM EST
    the candidate.  

    Think Hillary....Law of Attraction :)

    [ Parent ]

    Too many contrary moments (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:25:23 PM EST
    I think Obama has shown his own moments of proof that the Rev influenced his thinking and behavior. The NC speech following his miserable performance at the PA debate was filled with angry words and gestures in front of men, women and children. Same disrespect for the people as the pastor has shown so many times.

    What about Michelle? There is plenty of video footage showing the influence Wright has had on her. He sure can't risk that being brought up.

    Obama simply hasn't been truthful to the people about who he is, what drives him, or what his plan for this country is and he resents us asking. Something needs to take him out of the race, and if this is it, fine.


    Roland Martin (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Manuel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:16 PM EST
    What is he saying now?  He was defending Wright and Obama 36 hrs ago.

    I guess I am more sympathetic to Wright than is Obama himself.  From my perspective Obama ends up looking like the pol that Wright described.  This could hurt him with his liberal and AA base and not gain him enough with lower income whites.


    Disagree. (5.00 / 15) (#65)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:29:46 PM EST
    I'm not sure Obama had a better course but (from the reporting I've read here) he hasn't done himself any favors:

    1. His rejection of Wright came about only after Wright personally disrespected him.  It's not about what Wright said -- he's never seemed to care about that too much before -- but rather Wright's failure to shut up for the benefit of Obama's campaign.

    2. Much of what he said is (apparently) directly contradicted by the record, including his Philadelphia speech.  This will only keep the issue alive while the media analyzes the question of what did Obama know, and when did he know it?

    3. He's now both defended and attacked Wright, so he hasn't stood firm on either side of the issue.

    4. A number of his statements today directly call into question his judgment -- the apparent fact that he's been discussing this issue for a year now without bothering to acquaint himself with the content of Wright's statements, for instance.

    What else could he do?  I don't know -- Wright really through him a curve ball with his personal fifty state strategy.  Politics ain't beanbag but it does offer lots of curve balls and if you want to play in the big leagues you have to be able to hit all kinds of pitches.

    Clinton did better with her Bosnia flap, saying she basically had no idea why she said what she said and then making fun of herself for saying it.

    One of the biggest surprises I've gotten from this campaign so far is the fact that apparently Clinton has the best sense of humor of anyone in (or near) politics today.

    What He Could Have Done Is Reviewed His (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:47:13 PM EST
    previous statements, especially in his Greatest Race Speech Ever and kept his story consistent. He could have left the me, me, me out of it and focused on how it harmed both races.

    Once again, this is just plain sloppy on Obama's part. If you are going to distort the truth, at least be consistent in the distortions.  

    [ Parent ]

    I could not agree more with this (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:19:01 PM EST
    One of the biggest surprises I've gotten from this campaign so far is the fact that apparently Clinton has the best sense of humor of anyone in (or near) politics today.

    and it's a most pleasant surprise indeed!

    [ Parent ]

    And double disagree, BTD (5.00 / 2) (#219)
    by Camorrista on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:56:56 PM EST
    I'm not sure Obama had a better course but (from the reporting I've read here) he hasn't done himself any favors...

    I'd go further--I think he's hurt himself with just everybody except the press, certain bloggers and, of course, the "creative class."  

    Which voters will admire this tactic?

    African-Americans?  Are most of them as cynical as politicians?  Are most of them ready to see a black contender for the presidency ditch his own pastor to comfort upper-middle class reporters and pundits?

    Blue-collar whites?  Are most of them ready to cry, ah, yes, he's finally caught on to the truth about his minister, he's seen the light and so have I, and now I can safely vote for him...?

    Latinos?  Are most of them ready to listen to this  soliloquy of high-minded evasions and think, oh, sure, here's somebody who'll protect us when the Republicans try to round us up...?

    The trouble is, no matter how effective the move might be--and I doubt it will be effective at all--it looks not only calculated but cowardly.    What does that say about him as both a candidate and a potential president?  

    If he's ready to dump his long-time spiritual advisor, who's next?  Or, more crucially, what's next?  Health-care reform? Closing Guantanomo & ending torture?  Roe v. Wade?  

    To ask the question, he and his admirers endlessly ask of Senator Clinton....does anything matter to him except winning?


    [ Parent ]

    The big question (none / 0) (#155)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:07:24 PM EST
    is whether the media will continue to give him a pass on his inconsistent statements about Wright?

    [ Parent ]
    Please, Hillary.. no comment!!! (5.00 / 11) (#66)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:30:45 PM EST


    God yes. (none / 0) (#132)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:55:46 PM EST
    Maggie Williams better have the whole campaign bound and gagged today.

    [ Parent ]
    They bound and gagged last time (none / 0) (#164)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:14:30 PM EST
    very nicely. I doubt anyone wants to touch it and have it blow back on them.

    [ Parent ]
    He's so arrogant he thinks we'll believe anything (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:31:22 PM EST
    he says anytime he says it.  This speech was so disingenuous it isn't even funny.  

    Obama's not telling truth about this (5.00 / 5) (#68)
    by vin rose on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:21 PM EST
    go on the website of Obama's church http://www.tucc.org/about.htm and you will see that Wright is not an isolated incident. The church doctrine on the front page of the website says, "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land,"
    In other words Obama is lying when he says he was surprised by Wright's remarks. This works with the Dems because they cannot afford to alienate the black vote. Obama will be skewered for lying now about what he knew to be true all along. If he becomes the nominee McCain is our next president and this is a most unfortunate thing for the planet earth.

    Yesterday (5.00 / 7) (#70)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:32:34 PM EST
    The transcript of Obama's remarks make it seem as if Wright only made all these remarks yesterday:

    Yesterday we saw a very different vision of America. I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened over the spectacle that we saw yesterday. ... I have known Reverend Wright for almost 20 years. The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church. They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs. And if Reverend Wright thinks that that's political posturing, as he put it, then he doesn't know me very well. And based on his remarks yesterday, well, I may not know him as well as I thought either.

    He says he didn't see clips or transcripts of Wright's statements until last night:

    Q: Why the change in tone from yesterday when you spoke to us on the tarmac yesterday -

    MR. OBAMA: I'll be honest with you, because I hadn't seen it yet.

    Q: That was the difference?

    MR. OBAMA: Yes.

    Q: Have you heard the reports about the AIDS comment?

    MR. OBAMA: I had not. I had not seen the transcript. What I had heard was that he had given a performance and I thought, at the time that it would be sufficient to re-iterate what I had said in Philadelphia.

    Well, look, as I said before, the person I saw yesterday was not the person that I had come to know over 20 years.

    ...the insensitivity and the outrageousness of his statements and his performance in the question and answer period yesterday, I think, shocked me. It surprised me. ... Duri