Obama Live Press Conference on Wright: Throws Wright Under the Bus

Update: The live-blog below is of the q and a after the statement, when I first tuned in. I'm watching a replay of his speech and it's even more harsh on Rev. Wright. It was unequivocal. Be sure to watch the replay of his original comments. CNN will replay at 3pm ET.

Barack Obama is on CNN now giving a live press conference on Rev. Wright. I'll live blog.

He's throwing Wright under the bus. When he hears conspiracy theories about AIDS or that Farrakhan is a great person, it goes directly contrary to what he believes.

The person he saw yesterday was not the person he has come to know over 20 years. He understands Wright felt villified and attacked and wanted to defend himself. But the insensitivity and outrageousness of his statements and performance during q and a period shocked and suprised him.


He thinks ultimately American people believe in the ideas of his campaign.

He felt there was a complete disregard for what the American people are going through.

He keeps repeating Wright's statements were a "performance." What mattered to Wright was "commanding center stage."

He wants to use this conference to say that whatever relationship he had with Wright has changed. He didn't show regard for Obama or American people.

He hasn't spoken to Wright about this.

Obama says he reaction today has more to do with who he is and what this campaign is about rather than the political aspects. What Rev. Wright said yesterday directly contradicts what he's done over his life and what he believes. From how he was raised, to his decision to go into public service, what he said in his books and in his 2004 speech and in his presidential announcement.

There was nothing constructive out of yesterday. It was a bunch of rants that aren't grounded in truth. He can't construct something positive out of that.

Wright disrespected him and insulted what his campaign has been trying to do. Michelle was similarly angered.

On Black Liberation Theology: Says he's not a theologian. He went to church and listened to sermons. In those that he heard, and it's true in many black churches, there's an emphasis on the importance of social struggle, a social gospel.

What we saw yesterday was that when you overly focus on the plight of the oppressed, it doesn't bring people together.

He didn't view the initial round of soundbites as an attack on the black church but a caricature of who Wright was. The Moyers interview at least gave some sense of rounding out the edges. Yesterday he caricatured himself. That made Obama angry and also sad.

He tried unsuccessfully to reach Wright before PA speech. Did speak to him after, and told him he found what was in the snippets being aired offensive and inexcusable.

There's been great damage. It may have been unintentional on his part, but he does not see the relationship being the same after this.

Says Wright said one thing that was true: He was never Obama's mentor or spiritual advisor. "He was my pastor, married Michelle and I, baptized my children, prayed with us when we announced this race, so I'm disappointed."

End of press conference.

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    I think (5.00 / 6) (#3)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:10:28 PM EST
    it's time to make some popcorn

    Obama threw Wright under the bus.

    Wright threw Obama under the bus.

    Now Obama is throwing Wright under the bus again.

    Wright declared war (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:18:15 PM EST
    and Obama is firing an answering shot.

    Bet the next step is that Wright will prove when Obama was sitting in a particular pew and when he wasn't.

    One thing about Wright, he's a fighter.  Obama isn't.


    ouch (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:22:41 PM EST
    that would leave a mark

    exactly (none / 0) (#118)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:46:47 PM EST
    I both hope he actually wasnt in attendance, and that he was.

    But mostly that he was.


    They've been (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:19:30 PM EST
    making each other walk the plank repeatedly.

    Which one is Jack Sparrow?


    Real butter on the popcorn; past the topping pt (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:42:49 PM EST
    Wow, I knew he was on a downward track but this is like the finals of the Luge to Loserville Olympics.

    This is brutal: I'm still not anticipating an HRC win in NC but ... dayum.


    Wright had the choice.... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:13:30 PM EST
    ... of defending himself and his church, or "taking one for the team" to try to get Obama elected. Once he made that choice, this was inevitable.

    Keeps calling it a performance (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:11:55 PM EST
    He keeps pulling it back to the 'people' but he keeps calling Wright's appearances 'performances'

    He has dumped the relationship.  I can see Wright fighting back, but Obama can now keep dismissing him and any anger he comes back with.  Just said, if Wright continues to speak out..... yep, under the bus.  I think he's done a good job.  It's a very quiet conference.  He just congratulated the new pastor.  Please tell me the new pastor is not the young man who patted Wright on the back while he was being inappropriat.

    yes it is (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by CHDmom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:39 PM EST
    The one that ran up and patted Wright on the back and also the guy that gave the Easter speech comparing Wright's treatment to the crucifixion

    I can't believe he brought him up (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:21:43 PM EST

    its possible (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:26:01 PM EST
    that Obama has no clue about what is going on in his church.

    for real.


    if that's what possible (none / 0) (#97)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:41:22 PM EST
    exactly what does the church mean to Obama?  How often did he attend? Makes me think that Obama's reason for joining the church not religious merely to impress the 8,000 potential constituents to advance  his political career. He does what politicians do.

    Exactly (none / 0) (#204)
    by Fredster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:04 PM EST
    either he was there for 20 years and knows this church's liberation theology or he joined this church as a way to connect to the important people in that part of Chi.  Either way this does not speak well of Barry and if he does become the nominee the Dems will be putting forth a very weak candidate for the general.

    obama IS business as usual, nothing fresh (none / 0) (#212)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:38:47 PM EST
    about him, sorry to say.  He joined this church to make connections, pure and simple.  This seems consistent with obama's moves: http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_Obama/ObamaReligion.htm

    I've thought of that... (none / 0) (#102)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:42:52 PM EST
    just like many politicians and business people - making a show on Sunday morning.

    Obviously not (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by delandjim on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:03:55 PM EST
    He obviously didn't go and 'make a show on Sunday mornings' If he had he would have been aware of the sermons.

    Heh heh


    Well, after Wright, he should have (none / 0) (#133)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:51:19 PM EST
    checked with not only the new Pastor, but other members, imo. Or at least attended a few sessions so he has first hand knowledge of what is going on in the Church. To my knowledge, they haven't changed the Church's message and direction, have they?

    Feckin' eedjit should have talked forgiveness ... (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:53:20 PM EST
    ... and turned the Wright chickensh!t into chicken salad.

    Defferent generation ... walk a mile in his shoes ... had it rough ... he learned and so did I. Better than blatting out a speech or two Christianity's way.

    I'm not being patronizing: both men should have paid mind to why they were in church in the first place.

    What, life sends a curve ball and they scurry for PR? Feh.

    Even the Great Soul is giving off a massive eye roll at this spectacle. They deserve the karmic ass biting.


    my thoughts, too (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by kempis on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:54 PM EST
    He just congratulated the new pastor.  Please tell me the new pastor is not the young man who patted Wright on the back while he was being inappropriat.

    When Obama praised the new pastor, I cringed. If I know that the new guy is as controversial and 'tude-filled as Wright, why doesn't Obama?

    And he again claims to have no idea about Wright's theology and his worldview? After 20 years? Really?

    How clueless is Barack Obama? This press conference helps to give Obama the appearance of having some sort of backbone, but it also really does call into question his judgment and his veracity. His claims to be surprised by the "outrageousness" of Wright's "performance" yesterday can only be true if he barely ever attended that church.

    "I did not vet my pastor before I decided to run for the presidency." How about just attending services at his church? Or did he exaggerate his connections to Trinity for political reasons?
    Was he really a "nominal Christian," like many politicians and business leaders in this country, using the church to build his poiltical resume`?

    If that's the case, I can see how he would in retrospect realize that he should have "vetted" his pastor. Had he attended church regularly, no vetting would have been needed because he would have known what this man stood for.


    The new guy (none / 0) (#199)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:17 PM EST
    looks like he's as much a liability as Wright....and i'm just a casual observer.  Obama has sat in the pews.

    I am watching it...waffle city.. (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:12:19 PM EST
    Not impressive at all. He didn't "vet" his pastor, he says. Now he is talking about the usual way of doing business, pulling together, etc. And that what mattered to Wright is the publicity. Now he whining about how Wright didn't think of the effect on poor Obama and his campaign. And he hasn't talked to Wright lately, and is tossing him under the bus again. None of those views are Obama's. But he still values the Trinity Community. I am turning it off now. I have plenty of pony poop in my pastures, don't need to fill up the living room with it.

    What is insulting (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by ghost2 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:40:16 PM EST
    is that Obama keeps talking about his 'ideas' and how the conversation should be about issues.

    Sorry, like the ideas he took from Hillary, and kept saying, me too, me too?

    Like the Apollo project, 5 million new green energy jobs?

    And he has spent ONE YEAR AND 4 MONTHS running away from issues.  HE MADE THIS CAMPAIGN ABOUT PERSONLITIES.  


    Unfortunately for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:42:58 PM EST
    he already stressed his close relationship with Rev. Wright.

    "Audacity of Hope" was the title of a Wright sermon.


    Wright could also say, (none / 0) (#143)
    by felizarte on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:55:04 PM EST
    "this is not the same man I knew twenty years ago, who sought my advice and whom I introduced to the community that became his political base.

    Wright is retired.  Whatever actions he may take from here on, does not affect his church.  His church is bigger than any one man.

    I'm afraid this is turning into a miniseries, for all the wrong reasons.


    That was not whining, (none / 0) (#64)
    by independent voter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:29:46 PM EST
    but I am not surprised you choose to view it through that lens.

    He said Wright didn't think of the effect on HIS (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:46 PM EST
    campaign. Never said a word about disowning a friend of over 20 years and that the friend might be hurt and angry about it. That is whining in my book. It's all about Obama, again.

    Andrea Mitchell brought up Obama disinviting (none / 0) (#84)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:37:05 PM EST
    Wright from his presidential run announcement.

    Her conclusion -- obvious that Obama knew some of Wright's statements (called kind of rough at the time, iirc) would be controversial.


    Richard Wolfe was at presser. Wolfe never saw Obama this upset and angry at anyone in the year plus he's covered Obama.  Shocked by National Press Club Q&A by Wright.  

    Says Obama tried to make something positive out of the video clips during his Philly race/religion speech.  Feels Wright undercut him.

    Andrea pointing out that Wright made comments about Obama speaking as a pol and he Wright spoke as a minister.  But Obama not perturbed.

    Wolfe says Wright more inflammatory with tone, body language at Press Club. Which made Obama feel "disrespected."


    Buchanan saying Obama HAD to COMPLETELY (none / 0) (#98)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:41:59 PM EST
    cut ties to Wright, but...does it fly?

    Wright says Obama was using political tricks.

    Obama says that hurt him -- but, does that fly? That BO never knew anything Wright's comments -- clearly doesn't fly.

    MCMers to the rescue! Somehow this destruction of Wright (?) will make Obama look better. Huh???

    Andrea brought up Wright being destroyed re: his church and his life; then the young Dem analyst tried to make comment that somehow this was going to be good for Obama.

    Buchanan -- going for the jugular. Wright: I brought this young man up, gave his cred in the community, now he does this to me?

    Steve McMahon saying Obama's "crazy uncle" comment is going to stick to Wright.  Oh my.

    I don't think so somehow.


    He's acrazy old man (none / 0) (#125)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:49:12 PM EST
    BUT Obama in his speech said the crazy was simply miscontextualized.

    Instead, the crazy is the main part.

    Can Obama judge a character correctly?

    And why does Andrea Mitchell think he walks on water? can she not tell Obama is a light weight?


    That's just a product of.... (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:55:57 PM EST
    ...how much she hates Hillary.

    what isn't being said.. (none / 0) (#132)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:51:04 PM EST
    Even NYT's Bob Herbert wrote last week that Wright scared the hell out of white people. (and documentation indicates he also scares black people!) Couple that with Wright's incendiary remarks about whites and the government oppressing blacks - and there's an element of potential combustion, riots, etc.
    Surely, Obama could see this in Wright's comments yesterday - but those comments are NOT NEW!



    High Wire Act. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by lyzurgyk on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:12:31 PM EST

    Amazing drama to see Obama turning on his mentor.   Wonder if Obama is trying to provoke Wright into attacking him?  

    So did Wright change suddenly to this (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:12:44 PM EST
    new person who Obama doesn't know? This is new behavior from him?


    Good job by Obama (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:12:50 PM EST
    Exactly what he needed to do.

    If he keeps this up.. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:20:19 PM EST
    Like the guy in the LA Times said about Wright..
    If this keeps up, to paraphrase Roy Scheider in "Jaws," he's gonna need a bigger bus.
    Obama better order a model of that bigger bus too. Oh, and I found out something interesting about the UCC church. If he goes to another church of the same denomination he will have to have a letter of recommendation from Wright to get into the congregation. If he changes denominations, he won't need the letter. I am watching with interest to see which of those two options Obama ends up taking. I doubt he will be welcome back at Trinity. And I can just imagine him asking for a letter of recommendation from Wright. Heh.

    LA Times (none / 0) (#104)
    by Paladin on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:07 PM EST
    Just for the record, the author of that op-ed was Jonah Goldberg of the National Review.  It was an interesting read, because his POV could be reflective of how many voters may react to yesterday's Wright Rant. Let's see how he and his ilk react to Obama's press conference.

    I know, but I remembered the (none / 0) (#127)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:50:15 PM EST
    line without remembering the author..sorry!!!

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:21:27 PM EST
    But it was a rookie mistake not to do this initially if Wright wasn't clearly on the team.  

    When Obama initially said he couldn't disown Wright, I presumed that meant he had it worked out with Wright and Wright would be a team player.  Ambinder has reported that that appears not to have been the case, that Obama has only spoken to Wright once since this entire thing blew up and that is was a difficult conversation.  So he didn't disown Wright because he knew Wright would be a team player, he didn't disown him hoping it would make Wright a team player.  Big mistake.  Either the guy is in or he's out.  It's not nice, but politics at this level isn't about being nice.

    Now, of course, he's stuck disowning him after he compared him to his grandmother.  He has to do it and it's his best move, but it's a lot weaker move now than it would've been initially.  

    Rookie mistakes all around.


    could hurt him (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:23:07 PM EST
    with the aa community. which would be devastating. it's also something he should have done a month ago.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:35:53 PM EST
    but believe it was a risk Obama had to take after the last couple of days.  

    which underscores (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:38:05 PM EST
    why he should have done it a month ago. but i'm sure he had no idea wright would turn out to be such a narcissist. had to be done, but i'm not sure this stops the bleeding. and there could be a backlash.

    Still a risk (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:04:52 PM EST
    Roland Martin has really changed his tune on Wright in the last day.  He is angry, upset and said many people tried talking to Wright.  It should worry them if no one was able to get through to Wright before he went out and did more damage.  At this point, Wright appears to beyond control and we will find out shortly if he will take a step back or come back out swinging even harder.  

    He'll start calling Obama Pharoah (none / 0) (#188)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:13:46 PM EST
    Count on it.

    Yes (5.00 / 5) (#82)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:35:55 PM EST
    This hurts all the way around.  Because now it looks like he's only disowning him because it's hurting him politically so I'm not sure he gets any credit for it.  OTOH, the points he got for sticking up for a man described as a father figure are now gone.

    I don't think Wright should make Obama unelectable.  However, I do think Obama's handling of Wright shows his inexperience and is a further sign that he isn't ready.  Having said that, I would much prefer all this negative press have come because he had never held a hearing in the Senate than over Wright.


    and as joan walsh has been saying (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:39:03 PM EST
    better that all of this comes out in april than in october.

    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:50:55 PM EST
    That's why even when Clinton looked to have no chance, I still wanted her to stay in just so if there was anything about Obama we'd hear it now.

    Now, of course, I think she may have as much as a 50% chance of being the nominee.  Not necessarily because of Wright, but because of how Obama has handled Wright and the other late pressures of the campaign.  I can't believe the party elders are impressed with him skipping debates.  


    i still think she needs (none / 0) (#186)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:12:22 PM EST
    a solid popular vote argument. this may help her get it, but without it, even a clearly very vulnerable obama is the nominee.

    Obama could not do this any sooner (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:33:03 PM EST
    as some have said.  As I said in another thread, I bet Obama knew that Wright could go ballistic at being sidelined, so it was a lose-lose -- and the task was to keep him from doing so before Super Tuesday, when Obama was supposed to close it up.  

    Then, with the lose-lose, the race speech was just a delaying tactic until Obama was supposed to close it up again . . . and again . . . and that plan blew up, but with no Plan B about Wright.  There could be no good Plan B, no way to win with Wright being what he is.  And no matter how much Obama missed church, he had to know.


    He had to wait until the AA community had enough (none / 0) (#142)
    by ineedalife on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:54:58 PM EST
    Remember Obama's first step after the tapes became public was to toss Wright. But the AA backlash led to the Speech and the Typical White Person. The temporary bandage of white PC guilt gave  Wright time to either go away, or act out and publicly convince the AA community he has to go.

    Now Obama can ditch Wright without suffering backlash in the AA community. Of course Wright is keeping Obama's halo with him, but we knew that was just an illusion anyways.


    I wonder about this. (none / 0) (#162)
    by nemo52 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:59:34 PM EST
    Anyone with any thoughts on how the AA community will view this back and forth, Obama and Wright?  I'm sure it won't be monolithic.

    The NAACP seemed to like Rev Wright (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:17:50 PM EST
    the other night.  Will they repudiate him now?

    ah Now Pharoah has spoken (none / 0) (#207)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:53 PM EST
    Jeremaih will be stoned by the crowd who hooted and hollered at the NAACP.

    Just like Jeshua Ben Joseph  around Easter time Jeremiah will be scorned.

    It's almost a biblical epic already.


    I want to know (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:18:00 PM EST
    what happens when trinity church goers figure out that Obama has used his membership for political purposes. He's bamboozled them with his charm, hoodwinked them with his words and threw their beloved Rev. under the bus with his typical white grandma.

    It is too late and it was known that this is ... (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by alexei on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:37:23 PM EST
    what he would do after this weekend.  No one can believe this man again.  And don't think Wright won't come back with more.

    Obama (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by americanincanada on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:14:07 PM EST
    saying he never saw Wright act that way or say anything even remotely like that in 20+ years of knowing him is NOT going to fly.

    No matter how many times he backs the bus up and runs over Wright again. I also think this might rile up the good Pastor and the flock.

    if drops a few points with the "flock" (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:29 PM EST
    he is flocked.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Nadai on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:24:45 PM EST
    Even if it were true, it isn't believable.

    I wonder what Wright's response to this will be.  He doesn't strike me as the sort of man to just let this slide.


    cage match? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:29:21 PM EST
    yes (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:08 PM EST
    Particulary (none / 0) (#23)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:21 PM EST
    when Wright said that the core of his ministry was this kind of theology when he was on Moyers.  Wright said he brought the real world, the politics of the world to his church.  

    As a commenter on Ben Smith's blog said... (none / 0) (#173)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:05:05 PM EST
    ...Oprah knew a while back and she got out.  Is Obama saying that he didn't know why Oprah left?

    Politician? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:15:56 PM EST
    Obama could not control someone close to him for 20 years, what credibility does he have now of controlling or working with the RNC?  Sorry, this seals it.  He is not qualified as a politician to do what he has to do.  

    No good answer for Obama here. . . (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:15:58 PM EST
    but he has to get rid of the Wright issue as quickly as he can even if it has a short term negative impact on him.

    This really sucks for him.  I think his campaign saw it coming to some extent this time last year when they began distancing him from Wright -- to have it blow up anyway is probably a bummer for them.

    Somerby says (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by rilkefan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:21:53 PM EST
    today that the Obama campaign only started distancing him from Wright when the Rolling Stone article came out, showing they were clueless about the issue.

    When was the article? (none / 0) (#65)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:30:39 PM EST
    They've been backing away from Wright since Obama's announcement -- which is about as long as there's been a campaign to do the backing away.

    Rolling Stone Article (none / 0) (#154)
    by Decal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:58:26 PM EST
    Was dated Feb. 27, 2007.

    Correction (none / 0) (#158)
    by Decal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:59:02 PM EST
    Feb. 22, 2007

    Cause and effect (none / 0) (#160)
    by rilkefan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:59:27 PM EST
    "According to Obama, Wright was dumped from the kick-off event because of this Rolling Stone profile. For our money, the fact that Obama originally planned to include Wright is one of the most remarkable facts we know about modern politics. Whatever one might think of Wright's views, it was always clear that they made him a political time-bomb."

    See Howler here.


    Wright Was Part Of His Campaign Up Until (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:37:51 PM EST
    the videos were played on ABC. He was some kind of advisor on religious matters until a day or two after the videos were aired.

    he appointed him to his campaign (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:42:40 PM EST

    fer gods sake.

    I believe this is (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by DaytonDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:10 PM EST
    pretty simple. Rev. Wright thought he was going to be the President of the United State's spiritual adviser. Obama sent him to the showers and he is upset and striking out.

    The Church Lady Says: (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by JoeCHI on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:19 PM EST
    "That Barack Obama just talks, and talks, and talks, and likes the sound of his own little voice.

    this sounds like the statement (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by ccpup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:26 PM EST
    Obama should have made back in March or whenever it was.  

    Whether fair or not, most people immediately conflate the two.  It's not Wright and Obama.  Often it's Wright/Obama and that's something a statement, especially at this late date, is not going to clear away.

    Besides, although this is something he has to do, many voters who had inched toward him but now find themselves firmly placed in the Clinton Camp due to Wright's statements (as well as other questions) will recognize this as a desperate political attempt to save his rear-end.  

    It seems very "Old Politics" from someone who packaged himself as something "New".  

    Wright didn't say much yesterday (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:22:28 PM EST
    that hadn't been airing on TV and radio since March.
    So, it's disengenuous of Obama to claim he's "offended" by Wright's remarks made yesterday.
    Polls go down - Obama wakes up!

    That's what I was wondering. (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:42:23 PM EST
    Didn't he watch the D*mn videos earlier before he denounced/rejected them?! It was the same stuff as yesterday.

    If anything (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:46:25 PM EST
    Wright  modified his earlier ranting and provided a small level of justification for the points that he had previously made.

    So if anything Wright was toning it down yesterday.  He cited a number of books concerning the AIDS accusation. He's still clearly out of his mind and Obama followed him for years.


    He called him a "politician"!!! (none / 0) (#176)
    by Joan in VA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:06:51 PM EST
    More than once, too.

    REspect to me (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by americanincanada on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:58 PM EST
    He is angry because it was disrespectful to him and what he is trying to do.

    What he should have said is that it was disrespectful to the american people.

    Yes, same old theme.. (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:26:50 PM EST
    Me, me, me, me, me, me. It's still all about Obama, just Obama. The American people are an afterthought.

    That's what MSNBC and Fox (none / 0) (#116)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:46:24 PM EST
    say.  I can't flip channels fast enough to capture CNN.  MSNBC, he did it because of 'personal affront' Fox: 'disrespect'

    Uncle Wright will now go and prove BO (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Prabhata on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:20 PM EST
    and he are like family.  LOL

    The Media's Collective Leg Is Tingling! (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by JoeCHI on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:22 PM EST
    Don't kid yourselves, the media will declare todays speech as the next great book of The New Testament!

    Nope (none / 0) (#129)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:50:48 PM EST
    Not watching CNN, but Fox again repeating the 'disrespect to me' and MSNBC, again, 'disrespect' had to do it, may give him a chance in IN. Wright was upstaging him.  Tweety says Obama said he will no longer answer questions about him as he divorced him.  We'll see if it works.  If Clinton wins on Tues, if he wins Tuesday he can begin to end it with Clinton. NO tingles.

    It's all 'wait and see' if it helps.


    wright is what he is and so is obama (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by nycvoter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:18:19 PM EST
    Obama needed to do this.  I'm tired of hearing about Wright and would like to hear about other matters.  However, Obama knew exactly who this man was and what he has said over twenty years and the voters can weigh how much it should impact their votes.  Today Obama made a Political choice.  He's just a politician. Let's move on.

    Good for Obama I suppose... (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:19:08 PM EST
    ... but Wright made those 9/11 comments seven years ago. It's hard to believe that Wright hasn't been pretty much the same person the whole time. He didn't transform himself overnight.

    What on earth is Obama's position now? He sat there for 20 years, but found a lot of Wright's comments controversial or offensive. But he could no more disown him than he could disown the black community. Except he now has, apparently. And what about his supporters, who have tried to say this whole time that Wright didn't say anything wrong? Why would Obama be disowning him in that case?

    What a gigantic mess. This issue is amazingly depressing.

    Just for political expediency (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Saul on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:19:29 PM EST
      He starts off by saying that if you think I made the race speech for political expediency you just don't know me.  Guess what he is doing now.  You don't have to be a rocket scientist that it is just political.

    It's too (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:19:31 PM EST
    late. Obama should have done this when Wright first became an issue. Now Obama looks even more like a waffler.

    Obama's great "race speech" (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:31:15 PM EST
    was clear he didn't recognize Wright's harm to his campaign even then - nor beyond. Obama chose to stick with loyalty - and now has to rework it and unflip flop it.

    No Obama Was Between A Rock And A Hard Place (none / 0) (#166)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:02:21 PM EST
    This was on a previous thread.

    Obama wanted to disown Wright but after speaking with a couple of Ministers in a conference call he decided against it because he realized politically he may loose an important constituent as a result.

    I've heard this more than once. Black minister put pressure on Obama not to disrespect Rev. Wright.


    No, it is actually way too late. This rock and ... (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by alexei on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:40 PM EST
    place is Obama's own doing.  He either used the Trinity and Wright connections cynically as a politician, or he believed in Wright as his spiritual mentor and father figure like he said in his book.  

    Obama is running on judgment - so for 20 years he didn't know this man until he has disrespected him?  Give me a break!  There is no way that any one can really believe this.

    Obama has shown that he has no judgment, and has made serious political mistakes.  He doesn't have the goods to be President.


    Now we wait and see (none / 0) (#184)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:10:49 PM EST
    if this creates a division amongst some members of the African American community who support Wright and Obama's supporters.  Loyalty can run deep.  

    No he doesn't (none / 0) (#114)
    by lilybart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:46:05 PM EST
    He is responding to Wright's recent display of ego.

    So I guess anyone who wants to run for office had better vet everyone they have ever known; a favorite teacher, coach, Grandmother etc...just to be sure you denounce them all right away.


    or the guy named (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:51:03 PM EST
    your book after.

    The Audacity of Amnesia!


    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:54:33 PM EST
    The same things Wright said yesterday are the same things he has said before. Wright has changed nothing. It's Obama that's waffled on what to do about Wright. First a speech then a statement where he answers a few questions and then runs off.

    Why don't they ask him about the Clinton (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:22:11 PM EST
    remarks that Wright made? I'd really appreciate hearing Senator Obama coming out strongly against those and say that he's sorry she and her family were spoken about so harshly in his church.

    Dirty Laundry. Wonder if Wright will now air some (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Angel on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:22:32 PM EST
    of Obama's?  This could get pretty nasty.

    Obama had to do this initially (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:22:56 PM EST
    but could not attack the "black church".  But, now it's too late.  He did enough in the "great speech" to anger Wright, he did not contain Wright.  It proves, Obama has no fight in him and no ability to do one thing right.  

    It is almost impossible to do one thing right (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:45:27 PM EST
    when you spend 24/7 preaching being everything to everyone to the point that you have no personal boundaries defining who YOU ARE.  Obama thinks he can take sectors of our culture wanting to war with each other and unite them single handedly out the hopefulness coming out of his mouth.  Codepedency meetings and therapists offices are chock full of such people melting down their lives and the lives of those around them daily.  I love Jimmy Carter but wow what a Codependent and as that whole thing goes, he got a few things done trying to save the world from itself while everything else just burnt to the ground.

    Obama has known Wright for 20 years, (5.00 / 5) (#50)
    by pie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:24:00 PM EST
    and suddenly, he doesn't know him at all.


    Maybe he's a Jekyll/Hyde type of personality and has pulled the wool over Obama's eyes all these years.

    I don't think Obama knows the meaning of unity.

    And then he said (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by americanincanada on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:27:56 PM EST
    "He was never my spiritual adviser or mentor."

    Which is fine except Obama himself, on video all over the net, called him his mentor and advisor. In his book he called him a father figure.

    He went too far today when he said that.


    He's waffling (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:24:37 PM EST
    all over the place. Trying to talk about context.

    Obama looks really weak. He's finally owning up to his relationship with Wright.

    Now he's running from the press after just letting them ask a few questions.

    The announcer on CNN says that Obama's body language is showing defeat.

    I can't help feeling... (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:34:47 PM EST
    ... sympathetic towards Obama. I don't know if other people feel the same way or not. If so, he might get some benefit from that.

    I support Clinton all the way, but I hate to see Democrats get pounded like this. (Well, I didn't feel sorry for Spitzer.)

    I guess it's strange, but even now, I don't know Obama's true mind in all of this. I doubt very much he ever shared Wright's more extreme views. I think he believes what he said in that speech of his last month. But why did he stay in the church? Why didn't he leave? Was it all politics? Did it just not matter that much to him?

    I assume the answer is nuanced and complicated. Unfortunately for Obama, politics tends to demand simple narratives, and it will be hard to communicate anything else.

    I support Clinton for a lot of reasons, but I don't want this to be the cause of Obama's undoing. That would be a small tragedy.


    He didn't know what was going (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:36:35 PM EST
    on.  John Kerry Syndrome.

    No radar for trouble.


    worse than Kerry (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:07:01 PM EST
    Not only in delivery (stuttering and looking way too weak when he explains away his problems) but also the fact that Kerry actually had a substantial resume and served in the military.

    Obama is struggling with these kind of mis-steps in a Democratic primary... I'd hate to wait and find out how he holds up against Republicans when the White House is on the line.

    When the media helped to swift-boat Kerry they were actually more "reality based" that they are today.  McCain is also more beloved with that crowd than Bush ever was.  That's the real "math"


    Unfortunately (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:21 PM EST
    Democrats are always pounded. It's not fair but it's something that Obama supporters have been in denial about all along. The right wing has been VERY effective when it comes to creating narratives. They hone them and work them on talk radio then push them onto a compliant media.

    The thing that Obama has always left hanging about Trinity is WHY? It's never been answered. The clueless dupe excuse is not a positive. Who wants someone who sells themself as a clueless dupe for President?

    IMO, Obama never was about issues hence his undoing will probably be something like Wright. When you run an amorphous campaign it only takes a sharp object to burst it.


    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:47:23 PM EST
    I'm no fan of Obama's, and he should have seen this coming, but I have a lot of sympathy for his situation and I hope this is not his undoing. And if it is his undoing, better now than in the last weeks of the general.

    It Would Be (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:48:58 PM EST
    I do feel sorry for him in that.  Then I remember him smearing the Clintons as racists and I get over it.

    Obama is getting a taste (none / 0) (#137)
    by nemo52 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:53:01 PM EST
    of what the Cintons have been through for 16 years or more.  I admit to a little schadenfreude, but it's not pretty.

    No, It's Not Pretty (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:01:09 PM EST
    The media is a disgrace.  But this should at least put to rest any idea that it will somehow favor Obama in a general.  They'll eat Obama alive.  He was crying "no mas" after 45 minutes of bad questioning in the last debate.  How is he going to handle six months of this?  

    He ran too soon.  Before the country knew him and before he was ready.  


    I think it will cut (none / 0) (#180)
    by facta non verba on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:09:21 PM EST
    both ways. Some will view Obama more sympathetically but many more will view Obama's 20 year relationship with Wright negatively. He's not my spirtitual advisor is a flat out lie.

    I really hate these terms (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by CST on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:25:29 PM EST
    "throw under the bus"
    "toss the kitchen sink"

    what happens when Dick Cheney actually DOES one of these things to his friends (like shoot in the face)?  It will lose it's meaning.

    that would have made a great (none / 0) (#135)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:52:37 PM EST
    gag for the white house yearly press event.

    Have cheney back out of the bathroom with a breakaway sink and looking surprised to be busted, have SS chase him out of the room and get hit by the sink, and then cut to a clip of him fleeing the building with a water/fake gun, shoot a couple people, and push someone in front of a bus.

    "Why Dick isn't running for president"


    Obama "blasted buckshot into the face" (none / 0) (#156)
    by magster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:58:44 PM EST
    of Rev Wright.

    You might have just created a pop-cultue phrase.


    Uh oh (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by standingup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:25:53 PM EST
    Obama just contradicted what he has previously said about Wright saying that Wright was correct when he said he was his pastor and not his spiritual adviser or mentor.  Obama tried to say the press had mischaracterized his relationship but it came from Obama's own words.  Strange?

    I Guess Rezko (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:26:01 PM EST
    isn't the only guy who could fool Obama for 20 years.

    Yep (5.00 / 3) (#86)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:37:32 PM EST
    Goes to that "superior judgment" thing.

    Credability (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:29:36 PM EST
    I can go along with most of it, but I still am not convinced that he never knew this about the guy. Both are very opinionated polical men. They've been friends for years and he wants me to believe they've never had these discussions before? I find that totally unbelievable.

    Agree. This is why he was not under the bus (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:34:58 PM EST
    sooner -- see above.  Obama had to know that Wright might blow, so the previous tactics, the speech and such, were delaying tactics until Obama could win.  He couldn't, so there 'tis.

    It gives new meaning to (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by tree on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:03:41 PM EST
    all the fevered cries to get Hillary to drop out earlier. They desperately needed the nomination to be over before this blew. They knew that Wright would eventually come back from that figurative trip to Lower Zambuta.

    Sweet Jesus (none / 0) (#153)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:58:23 PM EST
    A friend just shot me a link to Booman grieving the loss of the truth that Rev Wright speaks.  Unbelievable!  With friends like Wright and Booman, Barack Obama certainly doesn't need for me to be his enemy.

    Kaboom (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by Radix on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:30:53 PM EST
    Wright and his supporters are not going to take this with good graces. My prediction, this was the sound of Obama's campaign exploding.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

    the truth is (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:31:20 PM EST
    the damage is done.  and continues to be done.
    nothing either of them does now is going to make much difference.

    Sgt. Shultz or Barack Obama? (5.00 / 5) (#71)
    by angie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:32:21 PM EST
    "I know nothing!"  

    If the media didn't like Obama (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:35:16 PM EST
    they would immediately call him a hypocrite for this, and throw his Philly speech back in his face.

    They love him, so this will be treated as a brilliant maneuver.

    It is, in any case, what Obama needed to do.

    Have they never heard (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:39:17 PM EST
    of split screens?

    He's killed himself on his own terms.

    can't disown/now disowns.


    then/now (none / 0) (#163)
    by magster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:00:27 PM EST
    the Q and A yesterday was a circus that justifies a "flip-flop"

    wrong (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:46:57 PM EST
    This makes everything worse for him and you will soon see why.

    There are fundamental inconsistencies in his statements that will keep the discussion going as people sort out his past statements that directly contradict his spin.

    Conventional wisdom such as "that's what Obama needed to do" has been been wrong time and time again in this primary.

    How how original thinking and leadership?

    For example, many pundits would have said months ago that "what McCain needed to do" was to move to the right on immigration and appease the conservative base.  He barely did any of that and for the most part held firm to his position, (or agenda) agreed to debate on Univision, and publicly took some boos while he reminded everyone "these are Gods children"

    I think that more respect is given to someone who at least stands for something than falls for anything.  That includes people who fall for every piece of conventional wisdom that comes their way.


    Mentor (5.00 / 0) (#79)
    by DJ on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:35:18 PM EST
    But didn't Obama say he was a mentor to him?

    People get unmentored all the time. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:59:10 PM EST
    It's over (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Universal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:35:38 PM EST
    Ben Smith has a number of quotes over at Politico


    Obama can kiss his AA support goodbye after this move. He appears as nothing more than a full-on sellout.

    He's self-immolating at an amazing rate.

    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#107)
    by Steve M on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:14 PM EST
    Yeah, he might drop all the way down to 85% of the black vote!  Probably not though.

    yeah becase you (none / 0) (#111)
    by TruthMatters on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:58 PM EST
    understand how we in the AA community will view this?

    yeah how about you just don't talk about why we in the AA community are voting the way we are k?


    Then what's left to discuss? (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by Ed on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:40 PM EST
    If only AAs can talk about AAs, and only women can talk about women, and only men can talk about men, etc., you've pretty much stifled the conversation.

    How will it be viewed? (none / 0) (#134)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:51:20 PM EST
    I assume the view of Obama's presser today will not be monolithic in the AA community, but do you think there will be a majority reaction? And if so, what do you think it will be?

    How will this be viewed, in your opinion? (none / 0) (#146)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:55:52 PM EST
    An intramural misunderstanding? Is Andrea Mitchell correct that Obama has "destroyed" Wright?

    What is thought of what Rev. Wright said over the weekend and at the Press Club?

    I don't know -- it seems very uncomfortable to me for all involved.


    Well, I don't understand (none / 0) (#178)
    by miriam on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:08:17 PM EST
    What do you think about how this will be received by the AA community?  I have no idea, but doubt it will be just one way or the other...I'd imagine there will be a lot of mixed feelings.  What do you think?

    It's interesting. (none / 0) (#198)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:18:34 PM EST
    No Bishop No King.

    Obama excommunicated himself.

    This hasn't happened on teh stump--EVER.

    Henry VIII did this of course, but he kept his Bishops on hand to herd the flock.


    How will the AA community respond to (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by ivs814 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:09 PM EST
    this self-serving sacrifice at the altar of his enormous political ego?  Obama not only threw Wright under the bus, he's on a drunken rampage running over a long parade of fellow church members; many of which have enthusiastically followed Wright for forty years!

    Obama is a politician (none / 0) (#151)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:57:38 PM EST
    and more interested in HIS own political future.
    Probably got a call from Kennedy after Wright dissed his dialect.

    You would think Kennedy (none / 0) (#174)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:05:28 PM EST
    would have been more offended by that then he was by Clinton's apparent affront of pointing out that LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act.

    yes and you know in that statement... (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by alexei on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:21:06 PM EST
    Clinton did say what John Kennedy hoped to do before she mentioned LBJ.

    Once again this comes down to (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by janarchy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:09 PM EST
    Judgement. Remember the word Obama used to fling around and claim was the reason you ought to vote for hi. Because his judgement was so much better than any other candidates. Notice how that word and the signs declaring it have disappeared from his vocabulary and his stump speeches.

    It's all well and good that he's decided to distance himself from Wright now but I think that many of us realise that he (JW) didn't just become the man who was ranting and raving over the weekend overnight. That for 20 years he was this mild mannered, well-meaning pastor (despite video evidence thereaof that he wasn't) and now all of a sudden, he had a psychotic break and turned into someone else.

    Wright. Ayres. Rezko. Who knows who else will be pulled out of the woodshed in the next few months. Even if Obama is as pure as the driven snow in terms of his associations with any of them (and whoever else), he's shown an appalling lack of judgement and political savvy, as his campaign, in not dealing with the situation. I do not want someone with that kind of Achilles heel sitting in the White House or foisted upon me by the DNC. No vote for Obama from me. Ever. Even though I almost fit his demo of being post-graduate educated and just on the bubble between Gen X (or whatever the post-boomer generation is) and a Boomer (depending on what year you think it ended -- I was born in 63.)

    This a really bad move (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Andre on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:44:31 PM EST
    on so many levels.  First and foremost, the American people don't want to be cast as referees between a candidate and his reverend, when they're looking for someone to work for them.  Additionally, this could cost him the NC primary, I mean the Reverend got a standing ovation of 4000 people at the NAACP.  As I said in the past, "yea, he'll make a speech and everything will be fine" only there's a time not to speak.  It just goes to emphasize his total arrogance in that he assumes to ask the American electorate to referee this thing.  If anybody has any doubts, he's toast.  His career is finished.  Our problem is that he could still get the nomination!

    Not his Mentor?.... (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by smott on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:47:28 PM EST
    ...didn't he name his book after one of Wright's sermons?

    I thought he did a really good job (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:48:49 PM EST
    the question is, is it timely enough?

    I agree fully (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:49:51 PM EST
    a good job of what? (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:58:33 PM EST
    ...being a politician is the only thing I can think of.

    You guys at TalkLeft initially thought Jeremiah Wright shouldn't even be discussed here.  These issues have to be tackled head on, especially when we start going up against the Republicans in a general election.

    Delayed reactions, quadruple flip-floping before getting to the correct course of action, and stuttering dishonesty-filled explanations from Obama are not going to cut it if he expects to fare better than Kerry did with the swift boats.


    Amen! (none / 0) (#171)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:04:32 PM EST
    If we think this is rough and tumble, just wait. The Republican's will be a hell of a lot tougher. Neither Gore nor Kerry had the ability to fight them off. There really was no reason for either of them losing their elections. They should never have been close enough to be able to manipulated. I question if Obama will fare any better.

    he's contradicted (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:01:49 PM EST
    himself multiple times.

    You don't think anyone will have noticed this?


    A day late and a dollar short IMHO. (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:27 PM EST
    I agree he did well, and (none / 0) (#147)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:55:54 PM EST
    you could tell how hard this was for him, for whatever reasons. Probably helps him with his community, because he clearly tried to keep things civil until Rev. Wright started making things worse and worse. With the general public, it'll help some, but Obama has to start talking about something else soon and get lots of coverage for it or else this Wright thing just keeps going.

    Impressive (none / 0) (#189)
    by Coral on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:13:46 PM EST
    I saw the statement on TPM, and some of the q&a live on cnn. He seemed genuine, angry though calm, and made a clear distinction between his views and Wright's.

    I can't see the AA community pulling away from Obama on this. Many will sympathize with his dilemma. Wright made a buffoon of himself, especially at the National Press Conference talk. It seemed a direct challenge to Obama to denounce him. It would be political suicide not to.

    I do think the Wright performance will hurt him in the upcoming primaries with white voters.


    Cue up the Youtube and roll the tapes (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:54:54 PM EST
    Ok, here's my take.  Obama lied and the saga continues.

    I'm going to paraphrase, but these types of statements are a problem:

    "Not my mentor"

    (but calls him his mentor in book)

    "Not the same person I've known for 20 years"
    (Wright was making some of these statements as late as this January.)

    "I didn't hear those statements while I sat in the pews...."

    (wait-- remember this: "Did I hear the statements that some might consider controversial while I sat in the church? Yes," says Obama.)

    This is the best one:

    "I didn't vet my pastor before deciding to run for President."

    Best case scenario for Obama here is that he comes across as woefully naive and uninformed about some very important things.

    I think all will be forgiven (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by jen on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:55:20 PM EST
    as far as the press and their love affair with Obama. This will calm their fears, and they will go right back to praising his every move and bashing Hillary's every breath. Count on it. This was a minor blip in O's campaign, a little sideshow freakshow to get us thinking they think Hillary still has a chance. But in Corporate Press world, Hillary doesn't have a chance. Clinton hatred trumps everything else for them.

    Having said that, I don't think anyone should underestimate the passion and determination of Hillary Clinton to keep doing what she's been doing and eventually win this thing.

    The press doesn't elect the President (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:11:11 PM EST
    the voters do. And Hillary connects very well with them.

    Tamarin (sp) Hall (5.00 / 3) (#161)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:59:32 PM EST
    did an interesting job trying to explain away the more controversial parts.

    No...having your kids baptized by the minster does not make the minister your spiritual advisor.

    However, saying that the minister is your mentor and spiritual advisor and having him as part of your campaign...that kinda sorta does make the minister a bit more influential.

    lol (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:10:26 PM EST
    I know, is this the Twilight Zone or what?

    Your signature line is (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by Talktruth on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:00 PM EST
    something I was thinking about today, strangely enough.  That to be funny, as a comedian, is very hard work.  Thanks for posting that.  Here's something you might like:

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican."

    H. L.  Mencken


    What a spectacle for Sen. Obama! (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by wurman on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:06:24 PM EST
    In terms of the media cycle & the slowly rolling public perceptions of this, it seems to me that Rev. Wright is driving the bus--rather than being thrown under it.

    There is a clever piece of commonplace advice for Sen. Obama: "When the hole you're in keeps getting deeper and deeper, STOP digging."

    The senator also seems to have been too clever by half in a previous sound bite where he asserted that the reverend does not speak for Mr. Obama & does not speak for the campaign.  The fact is that we needed to know if the senator speaks for Rev. Wright--as in taking lines from sermons for the senators books & speeches & ideas for the campaign.

    Perhaps Sen. Obama's victory over carpetbagger Alan Keyes in the 2004 campaign was not a good warm-up for the national stage.

    I'll bet John Edwards & Dennis Kucinich are wishing now that they'd stayed the course--oh, wait, that's Mr. Bush's line.

    Wright has a good case (none / 0) (#190)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:35 PM EST
    for a plagiarism case.  
    Obama cribbed his campaign from Wright.  It's SAD.

    This is so transparent... (5.00 / 0) (#192)
    by Talktruth on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:05 PM EST
    You guys aren't possibly believing this, are you?  BO waits all this time, sees the jam he's in and then says, "Wait, my pastor said what?"  That's BS, and it's really obvious BS.  Smell that?  Ooooo, that's wishful thinking, that's what that is.  Sure, BO never heard a word of any of that before.

    There was a pastor on the news last night, Bishop Harry Jackson, that said that Wright is an opportunist.  Obama learned well from his "moral compass."

    ugh (none / 0) (#208)
    by hlr on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:27:41 PM EST
    Bush and Focus on Family-loving Bishop Harry Jackson? Pot, Kettle.

    Wright (none / 0) (#211)
    by kmblue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM EST
    is the same person he's always been, and
    Obama is the same person he's always been.

    The rest is just noise.


    I doubt anyone will agree, but... (5.00 / 1) (#206)
    by miriam on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:43 PM EST
    I found Reverend Wright fascinating.  He is a window into a world I have not inhabited so cannot understand.  But I did live in Georgia as a youngster and for a year I attended a black one-room schoolhouse and a black church (the reasons are too complicated to address here).  The school and the church were much more lively and attractive to me than the white military-run school I was thrown out of (for fighting--this was in the mid-nineteen forties and I had a German surname and was clearly a Yankee, so fighting back was the option I chose). It's been sad to me that Wright has been so mocked and vilified by Obama's white supporters.  Wright is what he is. A character out of the ordinary.  But Obama is a disloyal coward and a particularly nasty form of lying opportunist as shown by his own "performance" today.  I hope he loses every black voter he ever had.    

    its good (none / 0) (#1)
    by TruthMatters on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:07:45 PM EST
    Obama distances himself from Wright, but Wright brought up real issues and real things that this country doesn't ever discuss.

    its sad because I doubt even Obama would discuss some of the harder things that Wright does talk about.

    it was nice for once for someone to call national attention to our foreign policy and ask, what do you think will be the consequences of what WE do in the world?

    Like AIDS? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:31 PM EST

    but Wright brought up real issues and real things that this country doesn't ever discuss.

    Like the US government coming up with AIDS to kill people of color!  Duh.  You may call that a "real thing" but a racist rant may be closer.


    America did bat an eyelid (none / 0) (#40)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:21:58 PM EST
    about Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Lot's of debate about that.

    Richard Wolff is toadying again.  Public school didn't do his spine any good.


    really did we learn our lessons from (none / 0) (#54)
    by TruthMatters on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:25:12 PM EST

    how many innocent civilians have died in Iraq, but oh no no I can't bring that up that makes me un-American to start questioning my government.

    if I don't think we are 100% angels then I should just leave the country.

    once again the Bush Administration probably committed war crimes with their torture, do we blog on that? does the media focus on that? no

    lets focus on the guy who said God Damn America because we are imperialistic!

    well HA! we aren't imperialistic we are just a country that believes our safety demands us to have troops all across the world, how is that imperialistic


    re (5.00 / 2) (#202)
    by Evie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:22:18 PM EST
    Wright lost all credibility when he blamed the U.S. government for creating AIDS to commit genocide against black people. It's hard to take his claims seriously when he mixes up legitimate gripes with obviously bogus ones.

    it's getting ot (none / 0) (#61)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:29:03 PM EST
    If you want to run an election on that issue.

    Be my guest.

    I wouldn't have dropped it for the record.  But teh US did bat a few eyelids.   The Abomb was terrifying for many Americans as well.

    Patton (Blood and Guts) remarked that the age or heroism was dead after he heard about the weapon.


    Good politics (none / 0) (#2)
    by nell on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:09:23 PM EST
    I suppose. But Wright has been making such outrageous and controversial statements for 20 years. Obama knew it and that is why he disinvited him from his presidential announcement and prayed with him in the basement instead...he had to do this, I suppose, but it strains credibility. As I have said before, I am very familiar with the south side of Chicago and even I knew Wright was a controversial figure, though I have never stepped foot in his church.

    Oh yeah Wright was 100% (none / 0) (#4)
    by TruthMatters on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:11:44 PM EST
    right. Obama says what he says as a Politician.

    any  Politician in Obama shoes would be giving a press conference right now to distance from Wright, I don't blame him its politics.

    but it is just more proof to me that there is no room for truth in politics


    There's not much room for ... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:23:57 PM EST
    ...anti-imperial ranting in the seat of the American Empire AKA the Whitehouse.

    Not the same guy for 20 years? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:13:10 PM EST


    Probably a good idea, (none / 0) (#15)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:06 PM EST
    but wow, this is hard to watch. Religion should never mess with politics and vice-versa. Obama's got my sympathy here, what an impossible position to be in.  

    Rants not grounded in truth (none / 0) (#21)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:04 PM EST
    ouch!  Wright can fight back, but Obama has cut the cord.

    Obama said he has already talked to the new pastor.  I expect the pastor to make a statement that it is time to move to the future in race relations.

    Just a note:  Obama said he was angered.  Michelle was angered.  Yes, I believe that just not because they didn't agree with him either.

    couple of things (none / 0) (#28)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:17:55 PM EST
    he's always looking down.

    Also I just had the carpet and wairconditioner guy over and they've found a mold spot under the unit.

    Obama's voice has a similar drone to the drying fan.   Cosmic coincidence?

    Uh oh he's talking about the sermons he heard!  His voice raised two notes.

    All black churches (none / 0) (#32)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:19:10 PM EST
    may discuss social justice, social gospel, etc.  He's speaking up for black churches.  He seems to be hitting good points.  BTD might be pleased with this.

    Does this all seem transparant (none / 0) (#46)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:23:02 PM EST
    to anyone or more importantly MSM? Or is that it now. He washed his hands of him and that's it? I don't get this.

    If Obama is willing to throw Wright... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Alvord on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:23:20 PM EST
    ... under the bus for his controversial statements, next thing you know he will be throwing his bloggers under the bus for their controversial statements as well. What will Josh Marshall, Kos, Aravosis, etc. say then?

    Never mind the bloggers, (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:56:35 PM EST
    what about the voters? Is this guy going to stand by anything he ever says?? That is what people are asking. And so far, the answer is no.

    Rev Wright belongs thrown under the bus (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:24:30 PM EST

    He belongs (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:30:42 PM EST
    on a good pasture.  Lots of hay and oats and green green grass.

    with the unity pony (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:34:19 PM EST
    You aren't going to make him pull any carts huh? (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:33:21 PM EST
    Or throw him in a time machine and make him carry a pregnant Mary all the way to Bethlehem?  I think he should have to do a little work for all that exceptional care!

    Nope (none / 0) (#96)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:41:01 PM EST
    a life of retirement.  Peace and quiet and whatnot.

    Fine, you're a better person than I am (none / 0) (#122)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:47:41 PM EST
    I'll just have to live with that

    Sounds Smart (none / 0) (#91)
    by squeaky on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:39:56 PM EST
    And correct. Obama does not need to be saddled as Wrights emissary, iow the candidate that will represent AAs above and beyond the rest of Americans. Even if Rev Wright had been his lover for 20 years, he has not been on the same track as Wright, and is right to point that out.

    Ruh Roh (none / 0) (#93)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:40:35 PM EST
    Fox: Obama only spoke out because of a PERSONAL AFFRONT.  Brand new chapter still in the media. Was not definitive enough to leave the church.

    MSNBC: Tweety: started a fight, but he will be on right side of verbal war as it is the popular side.  What missing, 1. never explained what he did hear.  G@d D@mn America, and he said the people at the church good people, why are they listening this every sunday.  That's a problem.  2. In 20 yrs he never heard.

    Wright doesn't have the right to take over the campaign.  Dont call me to account for what he says, I make speak with him again, also separated Michelle from relationship.  A week from primary, he could win 2 or lose 2, AA supporters, white supporters, will be fascinating.  Wright will not walk away, he will like this fight, he's a narcissist, Obama a sparring partner.

    Now trotting out Wolfe: never this angry with anyone or thing, not even Clinton's.  What made him mad? His effort in to Philly speech, gave Wright the benefit of the doubt, and Wright said Obama was pandering.  DISRESPECT.

    Summary: questions not answered, was it done because he was personally offended at Wright throwing him under the bus, never anwered the Wright question, sadness for Obama? credibility, Obama is a phony? telling political lies? can Obama become the anti-Wright? Wright should be in the evening news.

    Obama can just keep being sad for what has 'happened' to Wright.

    This respect thing (none / 0) (#110)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:30 PM EST
    sounds a little off. Not the right tone to adopt here, I think. Sounds too personal and not about America.  Souns gangster/mobster.  Wonder what HRC campaign is thinking about all this, not to mention McCain.

    I agree n/t (none / 0) (#157)
    by ineedalife on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:58:59 PM EST
    Michelle was similarly angered (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:40:44 PM EST
    well, a small silver lining.

    whats happening here is the clash of generations.
    Obama is from the generation that reaped the benefits of the struggles people like Wright lived through and is as clueless about those struggles as some young gay people are about the shoulders they stand on.
    this is a fascinating clash.  I cant wait for the next chapter.

    Here's my theory!! (none / 0) (#108)
    by ghost2 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:43:17 PM EST
    Obama never wanted to be President now.  He wanted to just see how he can run a campaign, and got too much into it.

    Plus Hillary's team messed up badly, and he is tied with her, and terrified of winning.

    He asked Wright to come to his help and Wright did.

    See, my theory makes sense!

    wait a moment (none / 0) (#136)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:52:58 PM EST
    she can't win.

    It's mathematically impossible.  Right?

    Right (none / 0) (#149)
    by po on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:56:21 PM EST
    yes - Obama threw Wright under the bus (none / 0) (#138)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:53:02 PM EST
    AFTER Obama began slipping in the polls, white flight from Obama.

    like rev wright to obama (none / 0) (#182)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:09:52 PM EST
    not her campaign

    I've deleted a comment (none / 0) (#187)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:12:46 PM EST
    linking to a photo-shopped you tube video and the comments in response. There is no news report showing Obama attended the particular sermon replayed in it.

    New thread (none / 0) (#201)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:22:12 PM EST
    is here, comments closing here.

    I liked BO's response. (none / 0) (#209)
    by 1jpb on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:27:44 PM EST
    It wasn't until late yesterday that I got around to seeing all of the q&a from the Press Club.  And, it was obvious (imo) that Wright was gunning for BO.

    Imo, BO's response was very honest today.  Time and again he's shown that he is more honest* than most politicians.  His comments also share a consistency  of logic/thinking because they always track back to his core beliefs about what's right.  His resistance to politics as a series of tactical contortions and manipulations driven by the short sighted opportunism is appealing to me.  More than I've seen with a lot of politicians his reactions are based on what he feels and believes at his core**.  I like that, because I'm more resistant to micro targeting than many.

    *His comments about his writing on the "gun" questionnaire, seem to be an exception.  But, there were two memos so it's likely that his comments were technically correct.  And, it's completely plausible that he didn't fill out or carefully edit that form(s), even if he did write some additional supporters on the list, which was on the first page--politicians don't usually fill out these things.  And, his response (via staff) to Tapper about smoking was questionable, but I wouldn't be surprised if his comment to the staffer was technically correct, but easily (and innocently) loosing nuance or precision when retold by the staffer to Tapper.  

    **In a 1995 profile in The Chicago Reader, he [Obama] said, "What if a politician were to see his job as an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"

    Thank God it's Tuesday... (none / 0) (#210)
    by Talktruth on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:32:52 PM EST
    We'll be hearing about this all week, Allah be praised!

    Mending WingNut Nation (none / 0) (#213)
    by Semanticleo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:16:42 PM EST
    You do know, I presume, that this post has been linked in the friendliest way possible, by the