Hillary Clinton on Countdown Tonight

Hillary Clinton is on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight. I'll try to live-blog. Hope you'll add in in comments.

Keith does an intro with the MSNBC/McClatchy poll showing Hillary up by 5. He then has a tape of Obama saying he's showed great restraint in attacking Clinton. Then he shows Hillary at a rally saying "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." He plays the Osama image in her PA ad and a bit more of it.

Here's Hillary in Harrisburg. Is the election going to be decided by the price of the gallon of gas? Can a President do anything about the price of gas?

She answers the economy is going to be a big issue. There are things the President can do. She'd launch an investigation to make sure the prices aren't being manipulated. She'd release some oil from the petroleum reserve. She gives more specifics. (So yes, Keith, there are things the President can do.) She then talks about how the President needs to develop a new energy policy. She links it right to gas. She's sounding very smart and ready. [More...]

Next question about the debate segment on Iran. She says deterrence hasn't been used enough. She repeats that if Iran used nuclear weapons against Israel, they'd be hit with the same.

On her ad and image of Osama bin Laden. Is it a scare tactic? That ad is about leadership and she believes she has it.

The next President will be sworn in during a time of difficult challenges. She wants people to understand what a serious decision it is.

Katrina was also part of the ad. We don't know what the next President would face.

She has a unique set of qualifications that prepares her to be President and Commander of Chief. National security will be a big issue in November. She can better face the Republicans. T

hen asks her about her criticism of Obama's statement that McCain is better than Bush. He asks her if she cheered on

Not at all. McCain has long experience on Armed Services. He has the wrong ideas. He would continue the Bush policy on Iraq. That's the wrong policy. That would be worse than Bush. His economic policies are more of the same Bush failed policies.

You can have a law degree and not be right for certain cases. He's not better than Bush, he's more of the same.

He asks her if all criticism of her campaign is sexist? She gives a very long laugh. She says the historic nature of the race is great -- ultimately, it comes down to who is better qualified.

On the vast right conspiracy and Richard Mellon Scaife's endorsement of her. She laughs again. Why did she meet with him and why didn't she reject his endorsement?

She says she was curious -- she was

She believes in conversions -- even death bed conversions. She was surprised (dumfounded) by the endorsement. It shows she's capable of bringing people together.

It's over. Keith was polite. Hillary laughed a lot. Too much? I thought the first half went better for her.

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    Thank you for live blogging this (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by dianem on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:02:36 PM EST
    That means that I don't have to watch (unless you tell me that something really cool happens, in which case I'll catch the late version).

    Why, why, why (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by IKE on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:36:13 PM EST
    Why in the world is she going on that show, better yet why in the world is she going on that network. Has she heard or read what that show has said about her, and now she rewards him by appearing on it to boost his ratings because a person like me will now be forced to watch it just to see how she does.

    I once again ask, WHY?


    To show she is bigger then their fart joke talk (5.00 / 4) (#126)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:39:12 PM EST
    and it wasn't her voice shaking on that first question that was KO!

    why did she do it? (5.00 / 6) (#138)
    by jackyt on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:46:14 PM EST
    Because the best way to defuse demonisation is to meet it head on. How could KO's viewers still hold on to the cartoon caricature of Hillary that has been purveyed on MSNBC when they see her live and in color. It also shows she has the guts and the good will to meet ALL the people, not just the ones who agree with her. Good on Hillary!

    You might be right (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by IKE on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:52:09 PM EST
    However do you think this going to change anything, my guess is no. He's still going to treat her unfairly, Chris Matthews is going to direct insult at her faster than Ted "whiskey" Kennedy can drown a bottle and the whole bashing is going to continue. Having said this I hope this is a strategic move, i.e. keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

    That's an outrageous slur (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:54:24 PM EST
    of Ted Kennedy and utterly unsupported by facts.  He was wrong, IMHO, to endorse Obama, but that endorsement does not suddenly turn him overnight into a bad guy.

    LOL (none / 0) (#182)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:47:32 AM EST

    I don't know what world you're living in, but having  grown up in Mass and seeing what a "drinker's face"/"drinker's nose" looks like, Kennedy's got it.  It didn't begin nor end in Chappaquiddick.

    I lived in Mass. from '63 to 2006 (none / 0) (#190)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:19:47 PM EST
    and at various points was very much involved in state politics.  Ted Kennedy certainly drinks (or drank, before Victoria) but he is not now and never has been a lush.  You must be confusing him with Joan.

    You made an ugly, false and totally gratuitous smear, and you should be ashamed of yourself.


    She is tough and courageous (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by Coral on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:15:58 PM EST
    I truly admire her...no matter what tomorrow brings.

    For me it is: Why did KO invite her? (none / 0) (#174)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:09:30 PM EST
    Is he searching for a reason to step back from Obama?  Has he noticed the decrease in his viewership because of Hillary supporters going on self exile from his show?  Oprah has also been silent on politics after a big drop in her ratings by endorsing and campaigning for Obama.  While Ellen deGeneres overtook and surpassed Oprah's ratings and was for Clinton.

    Is  KO  getting that nauseating feeling that Hillary might just win in Pennsylvania and beyond?


    No, Not At All (none / 0) (#184)
    by flashman on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:24 AM EST
    Immediately after the interview, he went right back to spinning and bashing.  He brought out his main clown, Richard Wolf, who sat bobbing his head while KO asked loaded, rhetorical questions, each designed to put a negative spin on Clinton's responses.  First, he asked if Clinton's criticism of McCain undercuts her own claims to be the most ready, to while Wolf bobbed enthusiastically.  Then, with mock indignation, he asked, "Did I hear her say that she would annihilate Iran?" ( more head-bobbing here )

    KO's questions all came from the slanderous rhetoric on KOS.  It was good that Hillary got the chance to answer them, and she did a terrific job.  The faux "analysis" after the interview was insulting and extraneous.  KO is a total hack.


    Bcuz She Truly Knows How To Rise Above Idiots (5.00 / 7) (#142)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:49:38 PM EST
    And I am just in awe of how smart she is and her grasp on the issues.  You go girl!

    Maybe to reach his audience? (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:56:16 PM EST
    They won't watch her on any other show. Here is one big thing they learned, and cannot play dumb about anymore:  In the debate, when she was talking about a nuclear umbrella in the middle east, she was talking about a formal security arrangement that would foster nuclear deterrence in other countries if Iran goes nuclear.  Since the debate, even though she explained it clearly at the time, people on both Obama's and McCain's sides have been trying to say she meant she was going to go off half-cocked and bomb away over there.  Her spokespeople have done a poor job explaining what she was talking about. Garin especially was horrible yesterday on that point.  So even if that was all she accomplished, I'm glad she went on with KO.  

    I thought the Scaife answer was also great, but yeah, a tad too much of the laughing.


    Hillary is brave (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by stefystef on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:55 AM EST
    Do you notice that she will go on shows and talk to people who basically hate her guts???

    She has gone to rallies and conference with African-Americans, she has gone on right-wing shows and Christian programs, she has dance with devil by the pale moon light and she looks better every time.

    By addressing all those who dislike her and don't support her proves to me that she ready to be president of ALL the United States, not just those who vote for her.  Her message, her plan for America is for everyone.  

    Hillary '08!  The Right Person for our times.


    Of course she knows... (none / 0) (#175)
    by kredwyn on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:09:41 PM EST
    But you have two choices when it comes to being attacked or bullied--avoid it or face it head on.

    She chose head on.


    Image (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:55:35 PM EST
    It simply is an act that backs up her closing argument that she's tougher than him.

    What better way to demonstrate it than walk into the mouth of the lion.

    Hillary is my gal.  But she IS a politician.


    I am so nervous--want her to do so well.... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:03:11 PM EST
    It's like my favorite is in the finals.

    Yeah, well, uh, she is.

    Thank you! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:05:33 PM EST
    I cannot watch Olbermann any more. I'm tuned in to Antiques Roadshow. :-)

    Hillary being brilliantly wonky about KO's (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:08:01 PM EST
    price of gas question.

    Hitting all sorts of good points. The Green economy. Excess profits tax. Investigate what's going on with oil prices ($20/bbl when Bush took office--$117 today).

    I am recording it (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:08:29 PM EST
    I can't stand to watch KO's smug obnoxious face.  Will fast-forward to the Hillary part.

    Rise, Hillary, rise!

    Good thought! (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:10:55 PM EST
    Rise, Hillary, rise! Be polished like gold.

    I'm watching, too. (5.00 / 5) (#10)
    by Iphie on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:08:58 PM EST
    Something tells me that he is going to be exceedingly cordial to her -- it's hard to say to a person's face the sort of smears that he has offered about her before. I think even he has the good sense not to go on the attack in person -- it will just make him look bad, and then she'd have to show him why it is that Obama's afraid to debate her again.

    Iranian attack on Israel (5.00 / 11) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:09:28 PM EST
    An umbrella of deterrence.

    I think this is actually a good point for Hillary.

    I am shocked that the punditry does not understand what Clinton is talking about here.

    Deterrence for a Iranian NUCLEAR attack.

    It is funny because this is supposed to be the gotcha question. The person got are the idiot pundits.

    Her answer on this is fantastic. Absolutely excellent.

    Tremendous answer (5.00 / 11) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:10:26 PM EST
    Absolutely tremendous.

    Just excellent.


    This was to me (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:11:46 PM EST
    the high point of the debate.

    I haven't heard any presidential candidate speak so intelligently about the Middle East in quite some time.

    Go, Hillary, Go!


    Agree word for word (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Trickster on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:38:17 PM EST
    You speak for me.

    I try not to waffle. ;-) (none / 0) (#127)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:39:23 PM EST
    yes, but do you eat them madam? (none / 0) (#152)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:57:39 PM EST
    Sure.... (none / 0) (#159)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:02:42 PM EST
    as long as pesky reporters don't bother me while I'm lifting my fork! ;-)

    Absolutely (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Grey on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:31:08 PM EST
    She is in such command of this, and it's not an easy area of foreign policy.  It's almost a daring position.  Fantastic work on that.

    One thing I can say for Keith (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:10:37 PM EST
    is that he doesn't tend to talk over his guests.

    Hillary did answer that one very well.


    He is doing a tremedously good job (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:13:22 PM EST
    His questions are excellent.

    The question is why only tonight is he doing this? He is capable of this type of work every night.


    HDS (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:15:03 PM EST
    is a debilitating illness.

    May he recover soon.


    Perhaps (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:16:46 PM EST
    Tonight's performance demonstrates he can do so much better.

    I get an inkling of why I used to like him (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:16:30 PM EST
    Indeed (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:21 PM EST
    this is what he can do and what should do.

    So I can catch the late rerun (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by nycstray on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:23:36 PM EST
    without a head explosion?!  :)

    yes (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:28 PM EST
    He's promptly trashing her after... (none / 0) (#97)
    by Exeter on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:30:59 PM EST
    ...she has left.

    Glad I turned it off after she was done (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:58:52 PM EST
    Only makes sense if you pretend (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:48 PM EST
    the Israelis don't already have nukes.

    Not if, like most of us, (5.00 / 3) (#83)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:27:03 PM EST
    you'd rather that the Saudis not have nukes.

    Right on (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by RalphB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:30:53 PM EST
    Deterrence worksed for 50 years against the Soviets.  I see no reason it cannot continue for nuclear wars.

    After all, what else is there except for disarmament?


    Ooops - I posted nearly the exact same thing (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:58:20 PM EST
    above, before i got down here.  This has been driving me nuts since the debate.  People did not listen to what she said, or else deliberately misconstrued it.  I'm very glad she got a chance to set them straight.

    Asks about the closing ad (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:12:22 PM EST
    Asks specifically about the image of Osama bin Laden.

    A "bloody shirt" for Democrats.

    If so, we Democrats are effing idiots.

    Clinton answers it very well.

    On some level, she should make Olbermann ashamed of what he has done this campaign season to her.

    A "bloody shirt?" (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:13:36 PM EST
    More like a badge of courage. She is confronting the national security issue and looking like a winner.

    I Cannot Believe (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by BDB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:21:40 PM EST
    Democrats are so quick to not want to discuss the fact that presidents can face anything.  Indeed, had we focused more on that in 2000, perhaps it wouldn't have come down to Florida and who people wanted to have a beer with (although I still cannot believe the answer to that question is a shallow, mean frat boy).  

    If Obama can't defend himself on this issue, then he has no business running for president, IMO.  This is not an issue that will go away in November.

    FWIW, I don't think Obama is as strong on this issue as Hillay because he simply doesn't have the experience she does and, IMO, experience matters. But he's still way better than Bush and even McCain because although McCain has experience, he also has absolutely horrible policies that increase the likelihood of all kinds of disasters.


    So I take it you had no problem with (none / 0) (#168)
    by halstoon on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:06:09 PM EST
    what Chambliss did to Cleland? That is what the "bloody shirt" comment was about. In 2004, it was President Clinton who said you should vote for the person who asks you to hope rather than the person who tries to scare you.

    I admit she answered it well, and Obama and his team should be embarrassed by how they handled it, but here you skew the issue. No surprise, though.

    On the Iranian deterrence question, the issue is that she names Israel specifically but only says "other countries." What does that mean? Does it mean everybody? Would we protect Syria? Lebanon? Jordan? Who would we leave out? That's the part she doesn't answer.

    Overall, I was impressed with Sen. Clinton, as always. If it weren't for the fact that I think Obama is better, I'd be happy for her to be the 44th president.


    Now about that ad. . . (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:12:56 PM EST
    Hillary gives a stumpy answer. But really, what candidate gives a detailed explanation of their ads.

    I think the idea that a one second flash of OBL is "raising the bloody shirt" is a little silly.

    The point about the resume is a good one from Hillary.

    A plane went down in Pennsylvania on 9/11 (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Cream City on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:43:24 PM EST
    after all, and Pennsylvanians don't forget it.

    I think that ads about security ought to be done, that the point ought to be addressed, by anyone running for president -- and especially for those along the eastern seaboard, the likely targets.

    Anyone running for president not talking about is not dealing with issues on people's minds there.


    This is a fantastic opportunity for her ... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by CCinNC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:12:57 PM EST
    ... and she may win support from those who were leaning toward Obama.  I know most of you despise MSNBC and KO, but why not take this for the gift it can be on the eve of PA?

    I think it has worked well (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:14:29 PM EST
    for her AND for Olbermann.

    His questions are extremely fair as well.

    This is first rate all around. Olbermann is doing himself proud as is she.


    What it tells me (5.00 / 7) (#32)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:16:37 PM EST
    is that Olbermann is non-confrontational.  He can say really wicked things behind your back, but can't say them to your face.

    Perhaps (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:47 PM EST
    I think it is interesting.

    That was a past position (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:25:14 PM EST
    The Clintons supported him on his special comments.

    Now his show is Hillary bashing extraordinaire with Olbermann the head basher.

    He isn't a nice man, just a media cardboard cutout.


    He trashed her after she left... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Exeter on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:33:56 PM EST
    ...but, who cares most people just tuned if for "the fight" and watched Olbermann wimp out.

    How Brave And Manly Of Him (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by MO Blue on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:51:53 PM EST
    No wonder he supports Obama. They have a lot in common.

    Total,ly agree with you. (none / 0) (#189)
    by g8grl on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:54:49 AM EST
    Olbermann is too chicken***t to say all that stuff to her face because he knows she'd crush him and he can't afford to be crushed on his own show.  Instead, he waits till she leaves then attempts to pick apart her positions when she can no longer counter his arguements.  He is a pathetic coward.

    KO bringing up OBL "tactic"--isn't it (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:14:11 PM EST
    a scare tactic? Waving the bloody shirt?

    She says ad is about leadership--and there are many instances when leadership is important.

    Wants people to understand how serious this decision is. Katrina part of ad, she reminds KO.

    Hire person you think is ready on Day One? What would you look for?

    (He'll do a Tuzla now, right?)

    Knows nat'l security will be huge issue in Fall--must go toe to toe with McSame. Need to get real about issues.

    "McCain has the wrong ideas" (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:15:16 PM EST
    is a good way to put it.  She used that formulation in a debate before.

    It's perfection. (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by rooge04 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:24 PM EST
    She attacks and undermines McCain's ideas, never him as a person. She's always respectful. So graceful!

    It's pretty much how Bill went after (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:25:42 PM EST
    Bob Dole in 1996. "I honor his service, but look at how many times he voted to destroy Social Security."

    Hillary hitting that McSame will be worse than (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:15:52 PM EST

    Worst President Ever--says Hillary of Bush (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:14 PM EST

    Historic nature of both hers and Obama's candidacy.  Some protesters--is any criticism of her campaign necessarily sexism?

    Sheesh, Keith!!! Dumb question.

    KO is has been KO'd by Hillary. (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by BlueMerlin on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:21 PM EST
    He's a complete pussy cat here.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Lahdee on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:49 PM EST
    I gotta eat crow here cause I thought he was going to be an silly person. Kudos to KO for listening. His questions were crisp also, not nearly as verbose as I expected.

    Isn't it unfortunate, all those protesters (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:17:38 PM EST
    outside NBC?  Isn't it unfortunate, KO?  

    More than you'll know.  Iron my shirt KO.

    The question of sexism. (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:18:02 PM EST
    Hillary just answers these questions well, I just wish she wouldn't ever laugh. . .

    It seemed (none / 0) (#128)
    by CCinNC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:39:58 PM EST
    inappropriate and a little false during one question, can't remember which one now.

    Laughter (none / 0) (#178)
    by nellre on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:52:13 PM EST
    the best tension breaker...

    She's laughing (none / 0) (#183)
    by Lora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:11:19 AM EST
    She's laughing so she doesn't jump through the screen and punch him.

    Nervous laughing (none / 0) (#186)
    by stefystef on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:10:07 AM EST
    I know people who do this and it's annoying, but it's nerves.
    Hillary goes on a show of a man who has trashed her for the last 3 months.  It had to be nerves.

    I think she did an effective job on Olbermann and shows she can face her enemies down.  Not many people can do this.

    Give 'em Hell, Hill!


    Oh, please do Larry King! I don't get CNN (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:18:29 PM EST
    Would be interesting (I hope).

    Hillary avoiding the stupid part of KO's sexism question.  Playing the both breaking ceilings card.

    Seconded! (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:21:32 PM EST
    I know Larry King is lame but we really need a live thread.

    Hillary is the best (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by bjorn on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:19:07 PM EST
    looks fabulous, sounds fabulous....hit the McCain question out of the park!

    Now he is on Richard Mellon Sca????

    I wish she'd said: (5.00 / 6) (#61)
    by BlueMerlin on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:23:54 PM EST
    "Well I'm meeting with you, aren't I?  Just proves how forgiving I am!"

    what a hypocrite... (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by Dawn Davenport on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:13 PM EST
    He's asking why she met Scaife when she's appearing on Keith's show after his (and the rest of his network's) months'-long trashing?

    VRWC (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:19 PM EST
    Richard Mellon Scaife.

    He wants to grill her on this.

    Not sure where he wants to go with this.

    Scaife owns a newspaper.

    She is a politician.

    I am wondering what he thinks about it.

    "I believe in redemption. I am bringing together as we speak."

    I could have done without (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:22:34 PM EST
    the "deathbed" phrase, but I think Hillary has neutralized this one.

    Off-the-cuff comment (none / 0) (#187)
    by stefystef on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:11:46 AM EST
    I don't think that's a bad comment.  At least she's not scripted LOL

    The unspoken subtext: She's sitting (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by BlueMerlin on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:44 PM EST
    here talking to someone who has treated her at least as badly.   The irony cannot have been lost on him.  

    yes it can (none / 0) (#169)
    by Terry M on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:21:42 PM EST
    He has CDS afterall, not a lot of synapses firing well these days in KO's noggin.

    eriposte at the Left Coaster (5.00 / 12) (#78)
    by BDB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:09 PM EST
    has the best response on Scaife I've seen.  Obama claims he'd sit down with the leaders of North Korea and Iran, but Hillary can't talk to Scaife?  

    The real problem with Scaife is that it's an example of what Obama claims to be able to do - sit down with people who disagree with him and win them over - that Hillary was actually able to do.  I mean this guy spent millions trying to destroy her and her husband and now he's endorsing her.  And she didn't change any of her positions to get him to do so.  She met with him.  Simply amazing and yet another sign of how bad a president Bush has been.  He has Scaife reassessing the Clintons.


    I Don't Know What It Says About Obama (5.00 / 11) (#86)
    by BDB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:27:46 PM EST
    That Hillary can and will sit down with Scaife and Olbermann and he wouldn't agree to another debate.

    As I've said before, we now know how long Obama would last getting Hillary's media treatment - 45 minutes.  

    Barack 'No Mas' Obama is right.


    I think it's kind of hilarious, really, (5.00 / 5) (#156)
    by Anne on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:00:39 PM EST
    that the same guy who seems afraid to sit down with someone like KO or Scaife, and who is afraid to debate a woman wants us to believe he would have the stones to meet with someone like Ahmedinejad...

    KO asking about Scaife--now he endorses her. (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:49 PM EST
    Why did you meet with Scaife? Why accept his endorsement?

    She was invited to editorial board--she was curious--she can hardly tell the owner/publisher to not attend his own editorial board's meeting with a candidate!!

    Lot of give and take--felt they didn't agree with her on many issues.

    She does believe in death bed conversions--example of her ability to bridge differences!

    I thought she handled that very well. (5.00 / 4) (#132)
    by Iphie on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:43:02 PM EST
    Given how often we hear about how divisive she is, I think that Olbermann gave her a tremendous opportunity to prove to people who may not have known about the Scaife/Tribune interview that in fact she is actually a unifying force. That she can convince even the people who spent millions of dollars and years to try to destroy her, to support her. I don't think that's what he meant to do, and I don't think that he registered the irony that she should be appearing on his show as well.

    Given the international relations that will need to be repaired by the next president, I think she just gave us another reason why she's better qualified.


    I didn't like his (none / 0) (#180)
    by Marvin42 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:27:50 PM EST
    comment about "deathbed conversions, we'll talk about it when we have more time." It was an underhanded and unprofessional attack on Sen Clinton imo. I think he was implying she was the one having a deathbed conversion.

    Ack, need to go shower now. Anyone else see it that way?


    So he did invite Obama (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by bjorn on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:54 PM EST
    glad he couldn't make it!

    hahaha! (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:22:38 PM EST
    His schedule wouldn't allow it. Uh-huh.

    Not only that... (5.00 / 0) (#66)
    by Dawn Davenport on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:39 PM EST
    ...but Keith said O's campaign wouldn't even send a proxy.

    So many waffles too eat ... (5.00 / 5) (#141)
    by Robot Porter on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:49:23 PM EST
    so little time.

    Obama doesn't have time for the media (none / 0) (#188)
    by stefystef on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:19:14 AM EST
    even those media people who propelled his campaign.  Pity.

    Ha. (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:21:16 PM EST
    Obama's always busy when his fanboys want his attention.  Does that bode well?  No.  

    Scheduling's a heckuva thing no?  Got the feeling Obama'll be busy for four years yet?

    I figure... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by reynwrap582 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:25:21 PM EST
    The Obama camp doesn't want to waste resources on KO's show, because they know he's driven away anyone who doesn't support Obama already.  It'd just be more preaching to the choir.  Insert Wright Joke Here

    I figure (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by pie on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:28:20 PM EST
    they don't want to hurt whatever credibility they have.

    But we can always have Richard Wolff to stir the pot, as it were.


    I think it's just one of many interesting signs (5.00 / 3) (#107)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:34:07 PM EST
    that suggest the way Obama may treat his most fervent supporters.  He doesn't like Daily Kos, he doesn't make time for KO.  Of course they're all on his side through thick and thin, so what can he gain from listening to the rah rah rahs when he can hear them elsewhere, certainly in a more photogenic and media worthy forum (his rallies).  

    It's not a coincidence.

    Haha, the Hillary appearance on Colbert is rerunning.  I thought this was really funny.  Reminds me of that early Sopranos-inspired ad.


    I think BHO is on there tonight (none / 0) (#151)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:57:23 PM EST
    I thought I saw a Daily Show/Colbert ad for him. Guess he saw how successful she was.

    Gotta believe (none / 0) (#91)
    by Lahdee on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:29:21 PM EST
    he didn't want to be second fiddle to Senator Clinton. Besides he'd probably get better numbers on a local Philly or Pittsburgh radio station.

    She is good -- that smile, that laugh (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by Cream City on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:21:56 PM EST
    she just keeps disarming him.  Even when he asks why she did not refuse Scaife's editorial endorsement.

    Uh, wouldn't that be balking at freedom of speech?  Jeesh.  I never heard of such a question. . . .

    KO says that Obama or a rep of his was asked to appear tonight but they were "too busy."  Hmmm, after all KO has done for them, and with Obama on Daily Show tonight, a smackdown of Countdown?

    Keith needs to learn.. (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:22 PM EST
    ...that's how O treats his friends.

    Nothing unpredictable from KO (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:22:18 PM EST
    Hey Keith you have been as outrageous as Scaife, she's a unity pony and has guts, and guess what they endorsed her.

    CDSers will be disappointed (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:23:49 PM EST
    perhaps Keith will be called a traitor for a measured and mostly fair interview.

    Is he trying to be on best behavior (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:27:23 PM EST
    so as to prove ABC is the new worst station?

    He's just been so awful.  


    The Obots... (5.00 / 4) (#104)
    by p lukasiak on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:32:49 PM EST
    ...were all salivating at the prospect of KO eviscerating Clinton.

    ...now they're stuck with talking about how "professional" KO was, and what a contrast he provided with those bad, bad, Charlie and George guys....


    Right. (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:35:59 PM EST
    And of course his defense of NBC will be lost on them.

    Hillary was excellent! (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:35:23 PM EST
    She demonstrated her command of all the issues brought up.  She would have won over anyone if this were a debate.  I think Keith was at least smart enough to realize her superior grasp of the issues.  He could not have challenged her on any of these even if he wanted to.  

    Obama refuses to show (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by pie on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:25:11 PM EST
    on Olbermann?


    with clinton on the show... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by p lukasiak on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:35:07 PM EST
    with clinton on KO's show, she's the automatic headliner, and what people are going to watch.

    Obama's ego couldn't take the idea of being the person during whose interview America goes to the bathroom.


    Not sure about that. (none / 0) (#158)
    by pie on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:02:35 PM EST
    Obama's ego couldn't take the idea of being the person during whose interview America goes to the bathroom.

    What kind of ego would miss a chance to appear?

    I think you're wrong.

    His people are afraid he'll screw up before the primary, I'm afraid.


    Wasn't it interesting that KO (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:42:52 PM EST
    mentioned that Obama was invited but refused to appear?  Usually that statement is not complimentary to the "no show."  It tends to suggest that the "no show" has something to hide. Interesting.  

    Is anyone going to look over (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:27:01 PM EST
    at the Orangustan so I don't have to?  Just had dinner...

    Ughh (5.00 / 4) (#137)
    by Nadai on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:44:41 PM EST
    I armored myself with AdBlock and took a look.  Apparently, giving substantive answers to KO's questions is nothing but a dastardly plot to run out the clock.  The word 'filibuster' was used repeatedly.

    Also, they don't like her make-up and many are convinced she uses Botox.  Plus she cackles.

    But they're not misogynists over at DKos.  Oh no.


    Even funnier over there: The Faith Debate (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:24:09 PM EST
    forty or fifty notifications that she was wearing yellow...what she said...no one mentioned

    Well, of course not (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Nadai on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:35:22 PM EST
    What could a woman have to say that's interesting?  We're all too busy sending secret messages with our clothes to come up with a worthwhile thought.

    O/T on the faith debate (none / 0) (#173)
    by lookoverthere on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:04:11 PM EST
    We call it "The Faith Off."

    Top of the hour... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by reynwrap582 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:28:22 PM EST
    I found it kind of interesting that Keith had Hillary on at the top of the hour, it seems he usually has his big guests on closer to the end of the show.  That's how I remember it at least.  It may have been a decision by Hillary's people, I know she has a Larry King interview coming up in half an hour...  But in the back of my head I was thinking "he wanted her on at the top of the show so he can spend the next 40 minutes tearing her apart without having to worry about facing her."

    Paranoid?...  Keith isn't exactly known for having guests who strongly disagree with him about anything.  I think he'd be scared of a pissed-off Hillary Clinton (I sure as heck would be!).

    I was glad she was at the top... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Dawn Davenport on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:34:50 PM EST
    ...because I was then able to change the channel directly after her interview ended. :)

    lol (none / 0) (#119)
    by reynwrap582 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:36:48 PM EST
    I left the room but from what little I can hear, my theory was right.

    Best line (5.00 / 9) (#94)
    by Grey on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:29:44 PM EST
    When Keith asked about sexism, Clinton said: "The historic nature of the campaign is causing a lot of cognitive dissonance."

    That was perfect.

    Oh, I wonder if she read TheLeftCoaster piece (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by dotcommodity on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:27:49 PM EST
    on how Clinton Derangement Disorder is caused by cognitive dissonance: they know shes a decent smart real Democrat, and...read it

    Heh (none / 0) (#103)
    by BDB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:32:48 PM EST
    Puleeze (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:31:26 PM EST
    He is cutting her apart right now.

    .....going over Iran, oil, and having it analyzed in the negative.

    He's a jerk.

    Yep (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by chrisvee on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:38:02 PM EST
    Now that she's not there, he's saying there wasn't enough time to ask follow-ups -- so of course he has to rip apart her answers after she leaves.

    The (mostly male) media obsession with her laughter is showing again. Wolffe insists it must be a nervous tic or some such thing.  Perhaps they both missed the point that she was laughing at the irony of KO even asking her that question while she was appearing on his show??  Or the irony of asking her why she accepted that endorsement given some of the newspapers that have endorsed Senator Obama?  

    Someone needs to let the air out of the egos at play.


    You mean with his guests? (none / 0) (#102)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM EST
    Now Wolfe--about "massive retaliation" (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:31:57 PM EST
    Wondering about her saying diplomacy is important, but talking about retaliation (which sounded like nuke) if Iran goes against Israel. What I didn't get quite is was it if Iran goes nuke on Israel--or just conventional.

    When Ann Lewis spoke this afternoon, she seemed to be saying the massive comes into play IF Iran has gone nuclear armed.  But I am not sure of that--and this is the kind of thing diplomats like to have some wiggle room on.

    Now, WHY WAS Hillary laughing during his question about Scaife? BCZ KO who's been dissing her beyond believe WAS ASKING THE QUESTION.

    Keith! Richard! Dense much, guys!!

    Now Wolfe is saying has to win by 20 pts or more.

    Wolfe made himself an idjit tonight (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Cream City on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:37:23 PM EST
    -- seemed ready to deal with a different HRC and could only come back with that silly percentage that only is seen in dictatorships or something.

    But she was great (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:33:29 PM EST
    and I loved the laugh. Like he was trying to get her and she thought it funny.

    Notice that she can disarm people "as we speak". Laugh...

    Economy, global warming, energy costs-- (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:35:25 PM EST
    repairing US reputation in the world--after BushBoy has trashed our military and left it in tatters.  

    Food costs, starvation rampant in the Third World--maybe in all parts of the world in some parts of some societies.

    There is so much that is unknown, so much needing fixing, no savings to draw on--and maybe a monetary system breakdown.


    First, THANKS Jeralyn, that was awesome (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by barryluda on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:35:57 PM EST
    More fun than watching the thing (which I'll catch in re-runs, but it really was more fun "hearing" your thoughts live).  And nice to see BTD's comments throughout.

    Second, any thoughts on the impact of this on PA tomorrow?  Is it too late to have much of an impact, or might it motivate some to come out that otherwise would have stayed home.

    Finally, clicking now to Support TalkLeft.  Hope others remember to do it too...stuff like this makes it worth it.

    we can't afford to roll the dice with Obama (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:36:19 PM EST

    dissing her after she leaves just shows him up (5.00 / 7) (#118)
    by athyrio on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:36:48 PM EST
    for the coward he truly is...No wonder he likes Obama...They are both cowardly lions when it comes to Hillary....

    Agreed -- looked like talking behind her back (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by Cream City on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:38:43 PM EST
    rather than asking her about such matters, when she would have given him more time.  

    She did well, KO and Blimey Limey Wolfe not so much.


    Seriously. (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:43:20 PM EST
    He had quite enough opportunity to ask Clinton what he wanted.  Scaife wasn't necessary for sure.

    But no, make your OWN SHOW the reason you couldn't ask more questions.


    When KO asks Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Mrwirez on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:38:00 PM EST
    how she could accept or at least not reject an endorsement from Richard Mellon-Scaife and the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. She should have looked into the camera and said the same way I can sit here and talk to you Keith. KO has been anything BUT nice, fair, or to her for months. I feel he would love to BO's Jock strap. Overall she came across smart and cool, laughing a lot. I think they have some inside polling numbers or something, Governor Ed Rendell has MANY MANY friends in this common wealth.

    Then after she leaves.......He D!cks on her. what a jacka$$

    What did he say? (none / 0) (#143)
    by Marco21 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:50:00 PM EST
    Sadly, I was not near a TV.

    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Sunshine on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:38:59 PM EST
    So KO quit his job in the 90's because of Richard Melon Scafe and the unfair treatment of the Clintons....  Now she has made freinds with Scafe and KO is doing the unfair treatments...

    Bless you (5.00 / 7) (#133)
    by Lahdee on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:43:16 PM EST
    the moist towelettes are on the counter.

    She is the one (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Lil on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:44:10 PM EST
    Too bad this has become a popularity contest. She is surely the best left. Of course I'll vote for Obama in the end (holding my nose at this point), but there is a parrallel to Bush at this point, petulant, gaffes, Mr. all that. Sophomoric. and that weird bounce to his walk etc. I think HRC was great tonight and Keith was at least gentlmanly while he was asking some gotcha questions.  He was good and she excelled. Good stuff.

    Oh, and about KO? (5.00 / 3) (#140)
    by Cream City on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:49:15 PM EST
    The orange place continues that Obama "'owes' Olbermann nothing; Olbermann is not a shill for Obama, just an honest, forthright journalist."

    Unquote.  I do not make this up.

    Also, Obama probably is busy taping the Daily Show just when KO tapes.  And the Daily Show has a much bigger audience.  But it's going to be tough, because Jon Stewart is biased for Clinton.  So say the orangeites.

    I wonder about Stewart. The person (none / 0) (#171)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:45:51 PM EST
    I like has been Colbert.  He seems not to be involved in this and as far as I can see he is pretty neutral.

    Keith pitched, Wolffe slung the mud (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Lora on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:54:23 PM EST
    Keith's tone was very cool while interviewing Hillary although his questions were very professional.  No warm fuzzy rapport there, just the answers, ma'am.

    His tone changed when he was talking to Wolffe to making fun of/disapproving.  It wasn't overdone, but it was there.

    On Iran -- that was dirty.  Keith asked Hillary what she would do in the event of a nuclear attack by Iran on Israel, and she answered.  Then he and Wolffe nailed her for thinking Iran might launch a nuclear attack when Iran has been "going the other way," I believe they said.

    Then on McCain: Wolffe was very disparaging about the way she answered -- basically accused her of putting on a big performance to try to cover up her essential hypocrisy.  Charming.

    Finally on Richard Mellon Scaife -- sweet Wolffie called it an "unholy alliance."  Just lovely.

    Keith set her up, but she was good.  His BS analysis with Wolffe hopefully will be seen as just that.

    Mellon Scaife Coment (5.00 / 0) (#155)
    by gabbyone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:00:05 PM EST
     Keith asked Wolfe why Hillary laughed when he asked about Mellon Scaife?  I think she was
    thinking it was pretty funny Keith would ask that question since she came on his show and he has been  a Mellon Scaife himself toward her lately.  I thought her redemption answer was as much to Keith as Mellon Scaife.....truly funny.  

    DONATE TO HILLARY (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by chopper on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:45:48 PM EST
    She is up against a money-machine.  Must be from all those lobbyists he "doesn't" get money from.  And, his Iraqi sugar-daddy, Auchi.

    Please go to HILLARYCLINTON.COM and donate.

    smart and ready (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by nellre on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:39:59 PM EST
    I have always greatly admired and respected Hillary, but she was not an automatic. I like Kucinich and John Edwards too. Obama is articulate, intelligent and charismatic, but was an unknown to me. He's still an unknown.

    But HRC won me over because she was smart and ready. Because she had the best grasp of the complexity of issues the next president will face. Because she had detailed plans to solve our nation's problems. She blew me away! That's why I support her.

    I'm watching (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:02:54 PM EST

    Ok (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:04:57 PM EST
    So far so good.

    Olbermann asks about the price of gas (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:05:39 PM EST
    Fair enough.

    Clinton gives the stump speech answer (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:06:17 PM EST
    on energy policy.

    Asked about her "nuke umbrella" (none / 0) (#12)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:10:14 PM EST
    proposal made during debate.

    Must let Iranians know there would be massive retaliation should they attack Israel (using nukes?).

    IF they get nukes, will need to develop nuke umbrella to keep other ME nations from going down that road.

    BTD, OT (none / 0) (#22)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:13:41 PM EST
    but are you going to live blog Hillary on LKL tonight?

    Not planning on it (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:14:46 PM EST
    She's on LKL too? (5.00 / 3) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:23:56 PM EST
    I'll probably live blog.

    Yes, she's on Larry K, and I hope you do! (nt) (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by Cream City on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:30:00 PM EST
    And Obama is on the Daily Show, but you can let that one go. :-)

    Thank you, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#93)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:29:36 PM EST
    I'm sure Larry's questions will be softballs, but if Hillary's on, it'll be worth watching.

    BTD (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:17 PM EST
    as my daughter used to say to me, "Weeze!  I'm boggin' ya!"  

    I would love an LKL live thread.


    Considering (none / 0) (#26)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:14:53 PM EST
    that we can all watch THAT one, we don't absolutely need a live blog, but it would be nice ;-).

    sorry but I could never (none / 0) (#42)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:19:29 PM EST
    support a nuke umbrella for the saudis I mean seriously are they really THAT much better then china or iran?

    its only because they are friends with us, the Saudis have HUGE problems of their own, and they don't have to worry about pressure from us because we are all friends.

    They are a vital ally, like it or not (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:21:23 PM EST
    its these vital allies (none / 0) (#58)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:23:16 PM EST
    that we always allow to get away with crap.

    WE armed the afhgans, WE armed saddam

    we keep doing stupid stuff because they are "allies"

    now she wants a nuke umbrella? um... no we are already a bit overboard at times with israel, and now she wants to expand it to the UAE, and saudis and kuwait?

    WHY do we have to be the worlds police?


    Um, blame Obama's foreign policy (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:49 PM EST
    Brzezinski for Afghanistan.
    Frankly, I think he is a racist: he valued freeing the Europeans over the lives of the Afghanis.

    where the heck (none / 0) (#80)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:42 PM EST
    did you get Obama from?

    Hillary is on CD talking about what she said about increasing a security umbrella in the ME. I say we don't need it why do we need to be the worlds police

    you insult Obama.

    got it.


    Oops, left a word out (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:29:35 PM EST
    Obama's foreign policy adviser Brzezinski.
    It's not about insulting Obama; it's about putting context to your Afhganistan reference.
    You think Obama will be anything but more of the same??
    Please. He is extremely conventional.
    Also, his energy policy is going to be very disappointing.

    ahhh (none / 0) (#87)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:28:01 PM EST
    I get it now you are blaming Brzezinski.

    eh. I just think we don't need to be the worlds police, I do not want us protecting the saudi's I mean how do they treat their women?


    Ann Lewis was explaining that Hillary (none / 0) (#68)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:24:45 PM EST
    very much wants to limit growth of the nuke club--it is an attempt to keep the entire region from becoming nuke armed.

    Right. In fact, the Saudis may have (none / 0) (#77)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:02 PM EST
    nukes already.

    That's a tantalizing comment! (none / 0) (#130)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:41:52 PM EST
    What is known?

    Like the Shah? (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:28:21 PM EST
    Try asking Obama advisor Brzezinski. (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by RalphB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:42:15 PM EST
    about the Shah.  He had a hand in that screwup.  

    Brzezinski is one reason (none / 0) (#148)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:54:06 PM EST
    my support for Obama came late, and is equivocal.

    Since Brzezinski came up here (none / 0) (#167)
    by RalphB on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:55:05 PM EST
    I've been trying to think of a massive hose-up in US foreign policy from the 70s, where he did not play some part.  I'm coming up dry.

    In terms of US interests, having the Shah (none / 0) (#100)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:31:40 PM EST
    was better than what we have today. That is hard to argue.
    We should have Iran as an ally, don't you agree?

    If the US hadn't taken down Mosedegh, (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:41:05 PM EST
    a democratically elected leader, we might be in much better shape today....

    IIRC, Ike wanted him gone bcz Ike believed the West had a need and right to all that oil.


    Yes... (none / 0) (#139)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:47:04 PM EST
    it was Ike & the CIA.

    Was it Ike or John Foster Dulles? (none / 0) (#172)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:53:47 PM EST
    lets step in teh time machine. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Salo on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:27:39 PM EST

    By propping up the Shah (none / 0) (#144)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:51:33 PM EST
    we ensured any successor regime would be hostile.

    Selling from the petro reserve (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ben Masel on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:20:38 PM EST
    will depress the price for how long?

    She said only in short term, but wld be some (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:22:40 PM EST
    break in costs rising. It's harder when prices go up very fast on a necessity.

    Her other ideas might have both short and long term impact.  Like giving the oil companies an Enron type look at how they're doing things.  And excess profits tax?? Fantastic!!


    Hedge Funds (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by themomcat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:27:13 PM EST
    as much as Wall St. denies it, the hedge funds are driving the price of oil with speculation. Congress needs to put the breaks on this. Reinstate the regulations that Congress removed in 2000. This was a discussion on Lou Dobbs this evening.

    I meant to toss in speculation (none / 0) (#117)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:36:24 PM EST
    a nanosecond (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Lahdee on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:27:00 PM EST
    she moved away from the short term impact in good order I though.

    I would have loved the waffle question... (none / 0) (#145)
    by lookoverthere on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:51:44 PM EST
    regarding Carter and Hamas.

    I don't mean actual waffles. But that's an interesting issue regarding ex-presidents doing freelance diplomacy.

    I also think the nukebrella idea interesting in that it presents the idea of the entire region not being bullied by a nuke-armed Iran. It could be an effective way of isolating Iran from its neighbors, potentially slowing the growth of Iran-supported terrorism and offering some room for further cooperation between countries and organizations that are now enemies.

    I also think the potential conditions a H.R. Clinton administration would require for such a nukebrella could yield some positive results. The potential for dealmaking could be tremendous.

    For the record, I don't like nukes and I don't like the policies of many of these countries. I don't find many of their leaders particularly heroic. But I am pragmatic about all of this. I'd rather they work together, regardless of what carrots and sticks, if it is the interest of us and the rest of the world.

    Baracky (none / 0) (#176)
    by boredmpa on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 10:34:42 PM EST
    The baracky video was a pathetic hitjob...

    What happened? (none / 0) (#181)
    by chupetin on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:06:22 AM EST
    Wow, I go away for a few months and this site turns into an anti-Obama blog?
    Where is Jim?
    Do you guys really think Israel needs our protection? I was under the impression that their armed forces were top-notch, their weapons systems also and they do have nukes. I dont think anybody in the region can f with them.
    Nice post Nellre, if you are going to be for someone you have great reasons to, no need hate on Obama if you prefer Clinton. Personally, I like them both and either one is 100 times better than McCain.