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A very old one from the Rolling Stones. Renamed Glastonbury Girl for this concert. What are you listening to tonight?

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    SNL skit tonight: Not too funny, imho (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by jawbone on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:00:57 PM EST
    Just finished watching the SNL opening skit: Gen. Petraeus hearings, where McCain was shown as pretty dumb, Hillary shown as lying her ass off about being against the Iraq War her "whole life," then accused by Gen. Pet, under questions from Obama about books the three have written, of lying her ass off. And Gen. Pet and his aides were shown sucking up to Obama big time: Loved his books, knew he will be next president.

    I did not laugh.

    But I figured they had to "balance" things out.

    They also had Harry Byrd (with shaking hands) as trying to get the Iraqi national antiquities museum moved to Wheeling, WV. And had subtitle about Byrd being big pork barrel spender. Also not funny.

    Feh.

    Rest well, all.

    Torture R Us (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:10:20 PM EST
    From emptywheel:
    I have no idea whether Sara's speculation is correct--that Pope Benedict just declined the invite to the State dinner Bush and Laura are throwing for him because he doesn't want to break bread with a torturer.

    Guess who's not coming to dinner? Pope Benedict XVI.

    President Bush and his wife, Laura, will host a White House dinner in honor of the pontiff Wednesday evening. U.S. Catholic leaders from around the nation will attend. The menu will offer Bavarian-style food in recognition of the pope's German heritage. It's even the pope's 81st birthday. But he won't be there.


    But I sure hope that the media, in the midst of its mad crush to cover the story that the President has admitted he sanctioned torture, will find out.

    And from digby:

    The ACLU is calling on congress to appoint an independent counsel to investigate the administration's little torture reenactment parties at the white house.

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    WASHINGTON - In a stunning admission to ABC news Friday night, President Bush declared that he knew his top national security advisers discussed and approved specific details of the CIA's use of torture. Bush reportedly told ABC, "I'm aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved." Bush also defended the use of waterboarding.

    [snip]

    The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to demand an independent prosecutor to investigate possible violations by the Bush administration of laws including the War Crimes Act, the federal Anti-Torture Act, and federal assault laws.

    "No one in the executive branch of government can be trusted to fairly investigate or prosecute any crimes since the head of every relevant department, along with the president and vice president, either knew or participated in the planning and approval of illegal acts," said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "Congress cannot look the other way; it must demand an independent investigation and independent prosecutor."
    Isn't it up to the AG (none / 0) (#27)
    by standingup on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:47:58 AM EST
    to appoint an independent prosecutor?  If so, I don't think I will hold my breath for Mukasey to take up the demands of Congress anytime soon.  It was very clear from his confirmation process that he had no intention of acting in a capacity that would put the administration at risk.  

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    Congress Can Force It (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:12:09 AM EST
    A Coercive Congress also enjoys an enhanced role in initiating an independent counsel appointment because the powers of the Attorney General in conducting her preliminary investigation are severely limited. Under the statute, the Attorney General cannot convene grand juries, plea bargain, grant immunity, or issue subpoenas.79 Essentially, all the Attorney General can do is conduct interviews and take depositions.

    As a result, Congress can play a major role in establishing the facts upon which the Attorney General will base her preliminary investigation. Carefully orchestrated hearings and a selective focus on accusatory witnesses could guarantee that an independent counsel will be appointed.80 Other witnesses who may be inclined to exonerate the executive branch official being investigated might assert their Fifth Amendment privilege, leaving the Attorney General little or no choice but to recommend an appointment. Finally, congressional findings may also compel an independent counsel appointment.81

    link

    Although I am not sure that we have a Coercive Congress today.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#40)
    by standingup on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:20:08 AM EST
    I wasn't aware of that but good to know.  I do doubt that the current Congress would take such steps in an election year.  They are too risk adverse to even take on Iraq when public opinion is in their favor.  

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    Thanks for that Pope story (none / 0) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:14:25 AM EST
    Squeaky, I'm rather fond of the title: "Does the Former Holy Inquisitor Refuse to Eat with Torturers?" If true, that's encouraging. (Maybe George Bush XV1 won't be able to stomach torture either.)  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#37)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:17:25 AM EST
    It is a great title and quite germane. Emptywheel has a way with words.

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    I had the great pleasure (none / 0) (#51)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:50:39 AM EST
    of a behind the scenes tour at the torture museum in Rome.  My guide was a very funny little man who was thrilled to point out this fact to all of his American friends:

    The rack (which, as many know, is the contraption where you tie someone's arms and legs apart and turn a crank and it pulls the victim limb from limb) was rendered obsolete way back when a new technique was discovered--they would still tie down the "suspect" on the rack, but then they would put a hood over their head and pour bucket after bucket of water on them to simulate drowning.  

    The best thing about this form of torture (which the Nazis used in WWII and were convicted of war crimes for doing) is that it left the victim alive for even more torture.

    (as an aside, I was fascinated to learn that Hitler's folk used the guillotine more than the French did...)

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    Wow (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:12:41 AM EST
    Sounds amazing. I did not know that Nazis were also jailed for water torture. I know that some Japanese used it on American prisoners and were tried, convicted and sent to prison in America for the crime after the war.

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    Love this! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by nell on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:13:25 PM EST
    Hillary takes shot of Whiskey in Indiana:

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/clinton-takes-a.html

    The comments.... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:33:22 AM EST
    he best and almost worst of the internet.

    Sometimes I think there are outsourced bloggers in India and China cranking out repetitive, not-funny-the-first-time comments for $3/hour.

    At least, I hope they are paid shills and not  representative of any voting American.

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    Do you believe the comments? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:34:56 PM EST


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    Hillary partying it up! Alright! (none / 0) (#12)
    by Mrwirez on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:08:35 AM EST
    I love it..... I bet if it were not for Bill....   Oh never mind I was day dreaming, I like party girls.

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    That's Awesome (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edgar08 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:44:30 AM EST
    Thanks for posting that.

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    No Redeeming quality, just fun (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:27:14 PM EST
    In Europe, since the late 1950's there is something called Eurovision, a song contest.  Now that the Balkans and other Soviet satellites have been broken up, they still have Eurovision.  It is one of the funniest, yet most hilarious world events--just European events.  

    Now with the web, you can actually watch the contest live and you can go to the web site and see the entries.  The sleazy part is that it's all semi Euro trash music, sung in English.  It's best to watch it in England, the BBC commentary is incredibly funny.  

    Each nation votes, and the funniest thing is to watch the alliances.  All those folks that fought to break apart, now vote for each other in blocks.  So, France, England, France and Germany never get votes.  

    Next time you think we have no culture in America, watch this and feel much better.  

    Oh my god (none / 0) (#52)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:53:42 AM EST
    the many nights of my youth I wasted watching that crap!

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    Anybody have a recipe (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:33:48 PM EST
    for layered egg, hashbrown, etc, casserole.  I bought eggs today. Didn't realize I already had 18 in the fridge.  Semi-low-fat would be nice.

    got some stale bread and milk or cream? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by magisterludi on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:48 AM EST
    Make a cheese strata or baked french toast. Overnight bread puddings basically. Great for Sunday mornings and as leftovers.

    Anyway, they both use lots of eggs. Oh, or a Grand Marnier sponge custard! (I cater so food is always on my mind)

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    Yummy bread pudding (none / 0) (#30)
    by LoisInCo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:54:14 AM EST
    I love love love bread pudding. But I am allergic to...well...kitchens.

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    anglefood cake (none / 0) (#13)
    by nellre on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:09:20 AM EST
    or custard

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    french macarons... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:12:18 AM EST
    My obsession...i spent the whole Xmas season perfecting them.  There is a whole world of people who work on these little devils, till they are just right.  

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    I vote for strata (none / 0) (#49)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:45:25 AM EST
    but I use pasta, not bread.  Basic recipe is cooked pasta(cooked tender not al dente), eggs, a little cream or whole milk. savory meat(ham, bacon, sausage) diced or sliced small, shredded cheese, salt and pepper.

    You can add a few veggies like mushrooms, but use a light hand because they'll make the dish wet.

    I wish I had a recipe, but I still haven't gotten it quite right.  

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    Frittata (none / 0) (#65)
    by echinopsia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:03:44 AM EST
    What you need: 8 eggs, a pound of some chopped vegetable (sparagus is nice), shredded cheese, cooked bacon or sausage (optional) onions, butter.

    Preheat broiler. In an oven-proof 10" skillet, melt butter, saute onions and then veggies until soft, whisk eggs and 1 cup of cheese together, pour eggs (plus bacon) over veggies, cook until almost set. Sprinkle another 1/2 cup of cheese on top and put under broiler for 3-5 minutes, until puffed on top and cheese is melted and slightly browned.

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    These all sound absolutely wonderful (none / 0) (#67)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:49:33 AM EST
    thanks everyone.

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    It has begun (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Universal on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:52:18 PM EST
    The inevitable Obama backing off from his comments:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=364

    Looks like we're not feeling quite as spry as we were last night in Indiana, eh Barack?

    Not quite so funny to be blowing off your offensive remarks now, huh?

    Looks like the campaign pollsters came back with some bad news for Barack. Time to go into damage control mode.

    How long before the "Major Speech on America's Bitterness," you think?

    Ha ha ha.

    Oh...Puhleaze (none / 0) (#11)
    by Stellaaa on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:59:06 PM EST
    Not another historic speech.  I don't think I can handle it, get me some smelling salts.  

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    tomorrow night on the (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:13:30 AM EST
    faith forum with Hillary I suspect he'll give more of an apology. So far he's sticking to he misspoke and he's sorry if he offended anyone but the substance of what he said was true.

    What do you think Hillary's response to him tomorrow night will be? Since it's a faith forum, I doubt she'll attack him during it.  

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    Bet she gives him a hand. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:19:44 AM EST


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    Are they on together? (none / 0) (#18)
    by waldenpond on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:21:22 AM EST
    I thought they were speaking separately....

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    hard to tell (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:32:56 AM EST
    link

    CNN announced today that it will air the event at 8 p.m. on Sunday, April 13 -- three days before a face-to-face debate in Philadelphia, and nine days before the crucial primary in the Keystone state.

    Obama and Clinton won't address each other directly but will sit down individually at Messiah College near Harrisburg, Pa., to talk to CNN anchor Campbell Brown and Newsweek editor Jon Meacham.

    Sponsored by Faith in Public Life, the 90-minute forum "will consist of wide-ranging and probing discussions of policies related to pressing moral issues that are bridging ideological divides now more than ever, including poverty, global AIDS, climate change and human rights," CNN said in its announcement.



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    This sounds kinda like what (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:44:34 AM EST
    they did before, but they had Edwards also. Iirc, it was more religion based, not so much issue based. Should be interesting. The last time may have been only an hour. It seemed awfully cramped on time. This sounds like it won't be with 90min.

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    Oh my god (none / 0) (#53)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:55:56 AM EST
    talk about a crisis in faith--90 minutes and it starts at 8?  My Tivos are already working overtime for Desperate Housewives, the Tudors and John Adams.

    Somebody stop this crazy train!!!

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    NBC 11pm local news put it all (none / 0) (#23)
    by nycstray on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:31:55 AM EST
    on Obama tonight. Some of the other stations were leading in with Hillary 'going after', 'attacking' style. NBC lead in with "Barrack doing damage control this weekend". They showed him fumbling around with his side stepping and played the audio of his original remarks (YES!) then they talked about Hillary pouncing on the opportunity (wasn't negative sounding at all believe it or not, lol!~) and showed a clip of her walking into the rally with Small Town playing :) said this could be what she was waiting for {grin}. They had a good snip of her speech. all in all, one of the more balanced reports I've seen lately. Did mostly straight up reporting with Obama supplying his own negatives. Real contrast though looking at the clips of the 2 campaigns  :)

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    SUSA Poll 4/08 (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:05:01 AM EST
    How about that new SUSA Poll showing Hillary up by 18% in PA!

    Looks like Hillary is expanding her support among African Americans. Last week Hillary had 17% of the AA vote; Obama had 83%. This week Hillary has 24%; Obama has 74%.

    QUESTION: Let's assume the poll is accurate: does anybody have any thoughts that would explain these developments?

    (Obviously, Obama still leads by a HUGE margin in the AA community. But, the shift is interesting nonetheless.)

    It means (none / 0) (#38)
    by waldenpond on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:17:54 AM EST
    what it says.... his white vote has dropped to 32% in that poll.  Which wouldn't be good news for him.   I like their polling but I am wondering about the AA %.  74% just doesn't sound right.

    I Nutter helping in the city?  I just don't know what is going on in the state.  A couple of posters are from PA.  Maybe we will get a chance to discuss polls tomorrow.  :)

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    Trust factor (none / 0) (#39)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:18:54 AM EST
    I think Hillary is looking like the more trustworthy and reliable person to count on between the two candidates.  As she goes around Pennsylvania with her major endorsers like several mayors and the governor, they see she is down to Earth and making a real effort to work hard for hard working folks.  Meanwhile Obama is over there in California with millionaires trying to hold secret meetings talking behind their back...

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    Someone said this the other day (none / 0) (#54)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:04 AM EST
    could have been a TLer or a politician (I think the former as the latter would be a mental challenge):

    The comment (insult) gives people a concrete reason to not vote for Obama without the ethereal "racist" charge being leveled at them.

    It really could be his gift to the voters...a realization of his dream to unite them.

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    Nevada Part 2 (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by KevinMc on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:11:59 AM EST
    Quick drive by comment and link:

    Hillary Wins Nevada -- Again

    thanks, I just put up a post on Nevada (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:34:48 AM EST
    here

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    Snagged this off Taylor Marsh (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:13:13 AM EST
    From an interview Clinton did with the PBS program Wide Angle

    "When Madeline Albright became Secretary of State ...  we had a joint meeting where we talked about women's rights as being really important to American foreign policy -- and not as some kind of marginal luxury that maybe when we didn't have something better to think about we could worry about."

    Made me think about our discussion yesterday on Obama's interview with the Advocate.  To me, he said in every way that he thinks that gay rights are a marginal luxury.

    Well...wait your turn!! (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:50:25 AM EST
    That is what he said.  He has to unite America first, but you just wait over there in that corner...you see!

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    I knew I was missing a Bushism! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:59:15 AM EST
    Those Republican voices....

    "Turn the corner...."

    Yup, Barack.  "Wouldn't be prudent to do it now.  We'll stay the course until the promise of Unity is fulfilled and then we'll turn the corner and go the Promised Land of Hope and Change together!".

    I should be able to work a Reagan quote into that but I don't remember much besides "Morning in America!".

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    Quick, Hillary - pick this one up! (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:26:11 AM EST
    If we love our country, we should also love our countrymen.

    [Ronald Reagan]

    Of course, after reading his quotes, I really loathe the man.

    It doesn't do good to open doors for someone who doesn't have the price to get in. If he has the price, he may not need the laws. There is no law saying the Negro has to live in Harlem or Watts.

    They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong.

    I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself.




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    I keep hearing voices in my head.... (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:50:38 AM EST
    "Wouldn't be prudent."

    "heh."

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    The Buzzcocks.... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:00:06 PM EST
    ...ever fallen in love with someone in love with someone you shouldn't have fallen in love with....

    I dedicate it to Obama supporters...just kidding.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycQXK30Ofls

    Her are some interesting facts (none / 0) (#3)
    by Mrwirez on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:01:56 PM EST
    about this song.
    http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=5084

    ...I love the Stones.

    Don't miss "Shine a Light" (none / 0) (#44)
    by cymro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:42:19 AM EST
    ... by Martin Scorcese (official site), released a week ago.  Scorcese showcases the musicians, their performance, and their interactions on stage. Saw it in an IMAX theater last Saturday night -- it was even better than being in the front row at a Stone's concert (not that I have ever had that experience :).

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    My first rock concert (none / 0) (#64)
    by echinopsia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:56:03 AM EST
    Was the Rolling Stones in Chicago in 1972. The opening act was Stevie Wonder. I was 18, the tickets were a HS graduation gift from my much older brother, and we had box seats (brother knew the Stones' press agent as a NYC entertainment writer).

    It kind of spoiled me for all other concerts.

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    What is the faith forum? (none / 0) (#19)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:23:52 AM EST


    Obama gaffe (none / 0) (#20)
    by nellre on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:25:56 AM EST
    The press has gone wild with this one. It makes no sense to me.
    Have they actually been saving up their vitriolic responses all this time? Is it because the Obama camp has convinced them HRC is history?
    What's the deal?

    IMHO I do think Obama got too big for his britches, but the MSM response is not consistent with just putting him in his place. It's really like it's been saved up!

    Was the response to Bosnia comment (none / 0) (#21)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:27:29 AM EST
    Normal?  

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    No (none / 0) (#41)
    by nellre on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:20:32 AM EST
    I am very unhappy about how different Clinton's mistakes are perceived vs Obama's
    This is why I'm not dismayed about how the MSM etc. is responding to Obama's gaffe. It's not that the gaffe was that bad, it's that if HRC had done it there'd be blood.
    And it appears Obama will have to deal with this one. And there is blood. We'll still win in November I'm sure.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#22)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:30:12 AM EST
    I think they have gone way easy on him. John King tonight kept trying to get Rendell to say that we all misspeak and we all say things that we wish we could take back, so shouldn't Clinton just let it go, and if he apologizes, will Rendell tell Clinton to let it go...etc....King took glee, it seemed to me, in attacking Clinton for pouncing on the comments...

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    agree (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35:10 AM EST
    I saw the King-Rendell segment. King kept trying to get Rendell to excuse Obama's remarks and he wouldn't -- Rendell insisted Obama doesn't "get" PA voters.

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    King will have the same glee (none / 0) (#32)
    by standingup on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:59:59 AM EST
    sticking it to Obama in favor of McCain.  He is one of the worst that CNN has to offer in my opinion.  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#42)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:31:58 AM EST
    I especially loved when he REFUSED to call NH for her and kept insisting that the Dartmouth college kids would turn this around for BO. Dartmouth has maybe 4,000 kids total...maybe 10,000 in the whole community of students and professors. It was so ridiculous.

    My favorite part of the segment was when his wife to be, Dana Bash, was talking about how Dem superdelegates are really worried because the comments were worse because they were in SF and how Nancy P was put into a witness protection program or something for being too elitist and that the Democrats just went through distancing themselves from the elite label with Nancy P and now Obama was taking us back there. I didn't totally follow what she was saying, but I was glad that her comments did not help King make his point that it was nothing at all, nothing at all, we all misspeak (just like Hillary did with Bosnia, how long did they hammer her? 3 weeks? Gee, John, too bad you couldn't give her a pass then).

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    No truer words were ever spoken (none / 0) (#55)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:09:10 AM EST
    the Democrats just went through distancing themselves from the elite label with Nancy P and now Obama was taking us back there.


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    Maybe they are trying (none / 0) (#28)
    by waldenpond on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:01 AM EST
    to hit it hard this weekend, get it out of the way and next week embrace him in their arms and congratulate him on how well he has weathered the storm, look how mean Clinton was to him and how presidential he was through it all.  They might knock him about but it's merely play.... :)

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    Pink Floyd (none / 0) (#46)
    by LoisInCo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:00:16 AM EST
    "All in all its just another break in the wall". Which really describes Obama's latest misstep. He loses a few with Wright, he loses a few with the advocate piece, a few more with his abortion speech, and now even more. What's next?

    From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (none / 0) (#47)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:22:00 AM EST
    This gave me chuckle:

    In separate moves last week [Obama's] Pennsylvania campaign announced the formation of outreach groups for sportsmen and for Catholics.

    Link.

    Here we go: GOP on the attack over Obama's words (none / 0) (#50)
    by Universal on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 06:33:37 AM EST
    We might have the makings of our first Democratic "Obama casualties:"

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=365

    The GOP is using Obama's statements from the now-infamous San Francisco fundraiser against Democratic House of Representative candidates.

    I have been trying to tell anyone who would listen that this was coming down the pipeline and would be  devastating to our party. Not only has Obama turned off legions of Democratic voters, but he is now being exploited by our opponents.

    The thanks that I got? Getting kicked off of MyDD.

    This is not even analysis but falls more in the category of common sense: You cannot run a candidate with as many un-American (Wright, Ayers, his wife) close associates as Obama has for President, particularly when that candidate is only fanning the flames himself (not wearing American flag pin, no hand over heart for America celebration songs, 'bitter,' 'typical white person'). If you do, not only will that nominee be crushed but your party will be decimated along with him.

    The chickens are indeed coming home to roost now, and we are inching ever closer to electoral disaster as a party.

    Tractor Driving Man (none / 0) (#56)
    by john horse on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:59:20 AM EST
    re: What are you listening to tonight?

    I've been listening to Tractor Driving Man.  A vision of the coming workers paradise.

    In that comfortable seat
    forty winks could be stolen
    With selecto-speed
    doing all your controlling
    And when I give her the gun,
    brother I'm rolling
    Kathy and other Georgians (none / 0) (#62)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:07:07 AM EST
    here's a review by the great Jo Freeman for you about your state capitol, a review of/and a book interweaving your history as one of the states that refused to ratify the 19th Amendment until 1970 (although women finally could vote there by the mid-1920s, after suffragists had to take it to the Supreme Court).  Interesting info about memorial statuary and stuff there to your state's strong women -- as well as others part of progress in the home of the "New South."

    Btw to others, see on Jo's site her other reviews and articles on the modern women's movement, too -- not only as told by a significant participant but also as researched and retold by a scholar of the history of women.

    hey (none / 0) (#68)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:09:14 PM EST
    thanks for that--very interesting stuff.

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