First Hand Report From Texas Voter

As we're waiting for news of today's election, here's a first-hand account I received from a Texas voter. All of you who voted today are welcome to post your stories in the comments:

Just wanted to write in and let you know what's going on here today in Houston. (FYI, I'm white, male, in my 30's, and support Clinton)

I went to vote this morning in the Meyerland/Bellaire area of Houston. (The area has a real mix of people - different ages, races - and is very much a middle to middle-upper income.) When I left, I was stopped and asked to participate in an exit poll survey sponsored by all of the networks and major papers. This is the first time I've ever been asked to do this.

As I entered my polling place wearing a Clinton button, Obama's supporters (about 6 of them) literally gave me dirty looks and turned their back on me. Other voters were greated with hellos, good mornings, and hope you'll vote for Obama. The attitude of Obama's campaigners to me was rather nasty. It was a real turn-off to me, and if he's the nominee, I'll really have to think twice about voting in the general election.

Other information: At my polling place there were TONS of Obama signs all over the place, not a single Clinton sign. As I mentioned, about 6 Obama people outside, not a single Clinton person. Inside the polling place, it looked like 2 of the 10 or so machines were off-line (a tech was there working on them), but there was no wait. (A precinct judge said it was very busy at 7am).


Earlier this morning I worked for Clinton at another precinct about 10 miles from home (the southwest side of Houston) from 7-9am. There were very long lines at this location because 1/2 of the voting machines (4 out of 8) were not working and people were leaving without voting.

Approximately 40% of the people going in were Black, 30% Hispanic, 20% Asian, 10% White. There was 1 other person there working for Clinton, and 1 person working for Obama. We asked everyone to vote for Clinton regardless of race, and got some surprising responses. Among the people who responded:

About 1 in 4 of the Black voters were very clear that they were voting for Clinton; almost all of the Hispanic voters (say 5 out of 6) said they were for Clinton ALL of the Asian voters who responded were voting for Clinton; most of the white voters wouldn't give any indication of who they were voting for.

I was very surprised by the level of support Clinton seemed to be getting, but the voting line was a real problem. People were leaving in disgust, without voting. I reported the voting problems to the Clinton HQ.

Anyone else have a voting story?

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    In all candor (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Jim J on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:02:18 AM EST
    I have to say that as bad as Bush supporters were/are, they don't hold a candle in arrogance, elitism, and sheer personal nastiness to many Obama supporters I've come across, both in person and on the internet.

    It's an interesting and wholly disturbing phenomenon. And yes, it is beginning to possibly impact my vote in November.

    BTW, just so everyone's clear: I'm referring specifically to white lefty/liberal Obama supporters. In my experience, African American Obama supporters are nowhere near as anti-Clinton as the young white college/blogger types.

    same story here (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by sarahfdavis on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:10:39 AM EST
    during a conversation about the 2 candidates, my normally very friendly and fair office neighbor said i was "spinning" and that if i were "more dispassionate and objective I'd see things his way".
    wow. he was a completely different person. honestly, it was an "invasion of the body snatchers" moment for me.

    [ Parent ]
    It's the gloating.... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by diplomatic on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:08:14 PM EST
    I just can't stand the gloating.

    It never ends.

    [ Parent ]

    impact your vote for Nov? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Lil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:07:28 AM EST
    It's hard for me to understand. I'm all for Hillary but have every intention of voting for Obama if he's the nominee. What is the alternative?  In my world I hear a lot of Hillary supporters saying they will support Barrack if he gets the nomination. I don't hear a lot of Barrack supporters saying that to me, but it may just be my personal bias that I'm not hearing it that way.

    [ Parent ]
    I have the opposite experience. (none / 0) (#16)
    by ivs814 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:13:46 AM EST
    Every single Hillary supporter tells me that they will either not vote at all or will vote for McCain.  For the most part they feel that the Obama campaign has really disrepected the Clinton's and their legacy.  Maybe it's a Hispanic thing but they don't like to see that stuff play out at the expense of someone they really admire.

    [ Parent ]
    united party (none / 0) (#25)
    by Lil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:19:18 AM EST
    We have to do this if we want a win in Nov. At some point Obama and Clinton will appear somewhere holding hands in front of a big crowd and bring us all back together again. Right now I think emotions are running very high and both sides are saying some really dumb things. In the end McCain is 4 more years of Bush and eventually people will remember that and vote Democratic (we all should remember that the Supreme Court is a stake.)

    [ Parent ]
    Honestly, I think it's going to take... (none / 0) (#36)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:37:37 AM EST
    ...a unity ticket with both candidates to get Dems to not sit out if their candidate choice doesn't win.

    And with the nearly 50-50 split in popular votes and delegates, a unity ticket makes sense.

    [ Parent ]

    This is a result of who his core (none / 0) (#20)
    by Virginian on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:17:08 AM EST
    of supporters is. This should not be surprising. Hillary does well among rank and file Democrats...Obama's supporters often don't identify as Democratic, or their identification with the party is solely a result of their support for Obama...

    No surprise there, and no expectations should be made to maintain their support should Obama not win the nomination (or down ticket support for that matter)

    [ Parent ]

    to me it's not the supporters so much as (none / 0) (#24)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:18:46 AM EST
    what obama himself has purposefully brought out in them, i.e., bloodthirstiness fueled by irrational hate.  but i do still plan on supporting him if he's the nominee, although it'll be agonizing.  will have to keep repeating "scotus, scotus, scotus," over and over to myself on the way to the voting booth to do it.

    [ Parent ]
    Anecdotally true (none / 0) (#14)
    by Virginian on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:11:19 AM EST
    African American Obama supporters are nowhere near as anti-Clinton as the young white college/blogger types

    I am not sure where this phenomenon is based. Could it just be young zeal? Or could it be a cultural shift away from democratic and Democratic ideals? Or some other root? I don't know...but the first two combined sound likely to me.

    [ Parent ]

    i'm not so sure... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:25:00 AM EST
    a few aa blogs have consistently made me cringe by tearing her to shreds.  i can't even look these days because i'm afraid it'll turn my stomach.

    [ Parent ]
    i suppose it makes sense, come to (none / 0) (#32)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:28:31 AM EST
    think of it....hate is an equal-opportunity disease.  obama seems to have brought it out in every demographic group.

    [ Parent ]
    Egh... (none / 0) (#56)
    by Virginian on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:25:19 PM EST
    just like it is unfair to punish hillary for the actions and comments of her surrogates and supporters (those not under control of the campaign), likewise for Obama...

    Yes, his flock has a hateful edge, but I am not ready to blame Obama directly for that.

    [ Parent ]

    You see it more on the blogosphere (none / 0) (#59)
    by Daryl24 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:54:53 PM EST
    regardless of community. In the offline world the overwhelming majority of AA still hold a very favorable view of the Clintons.

    [ Parent ]
    AA aren't stupid (none / 0) (#57)
    by p lukasiak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:48:12 PM EST
    African Americans never fell for the "Clinton is running a racist campaign" BS.  In south carolina, AA support for Obama was already at 69% before that became an issue, and rose to only 73% when it was at its peak as a controversy. (Based on SUSA polls).

    (This is not to say that there was not a lot of discussion among AAs about the issue -- especially once someone had decided to vote for Obama, and needed a rationale for doing so -- in the same way that biased white people will find a rationale for their failure to support a black candidate.  I think that Clymer's remarks played a huge role in how the issue played out in SC... he expressed 'concern' with 'the tone' of the Clinton campaign, but never dropped his neutral stance and endorsed Obama.)

    But if the SUSA numbers are reliable, while black support for Obama barely rose during the controversy, white support went way up for Clinton, then dropped again once the controversy faded.

    I would like to suggest that these white Obama supporters who are so obsessed with the phony 'race card' issue are, in fact, reflecting their own subconscious prejudices and conscious denial of those prejudices.  The level of self-righteousness about Obama's white supporters is pretty high -- and I think that the conflict between subconscious racial bias and their conscious decision to support OBama is at the heart of that self-righteousness.

    [ Parent ]

    agree completely, Jim (none / 0) (#19)
    by Josey on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:17:06 AM EST
    and I hear this sentiment over and over.
    And not just online!  Obama supporters are aggressive and crass - like Bush supporters.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama support (none / 0) (#35)
    by CST on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:30:32 AM EST
    While I agree that there has certainly been some negative support given by some Obama supporters to suggest that it is one-sided is completely unfair.  (P.S. I am not talking candidates here).  There has been some extremely hateful, racist, anti-muslim zeal been shown by a number of clinton supporters as well.  But I don't think for a second that what is shown online represents the average voter.  Most Obama supporters I know are respectful of Clinton, just ready for a change, and most Clinton supporters I know aren't racist.  It is sad that some of it exists but don't project the online negativity to all voters.

    [ Parent ]
    Checked major-metro newspapers (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by 1jane on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:12:32 AM EST
    Took a cruise around all of the Texas major-metro newpapers via the net. First observation, on all of the newspaper sites visited except one, a big ad for Obama opens the site. Second observation, stories reported voting was steady, lines were moving, no reports on troublesome issues.

    Ohio newspapers, on the other hand report some confusion at some sites by the election workers, bad weather but drivable, steady voting, lines moving well. No big ads by Clinton or Obama on the newspaper sites visted.

    Anedotal reports from voters from Ohio and Tx  are sure to be welcomed on this site. Looking forward to hearing reports from Obama and Clinton voters.

    Well, (none / 0) (#1)
    by ajain on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:01:03 AM EST
    Its a pretty arbitrary poll, but kinda makes you feel good.

    projective test (none / 0) (#4)
    by Lil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:03:21 AM EST
    This made me feel very nervous!

    [ Parent ]
    Rules (none / 0) (#3)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:03:18 AM EST
    Is it not illegal to do that near polling places? Signs etc?  

    In NY there is a 100ft limit (none / 0) (#7)
    by ineedalife on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:06:22 AM EST
    I think wearing a button in the polling area is off limits too.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (none / 0) (#11)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:09:24 AM EST
    In California you cannot campaign, have signs or buttons.  Actually, it's not polite, in my opinion.  

    [ Parent ]
    Basic Campaigning Technique (none / 0) (#28)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:22:47 AM EST
    It's quite common for campaigns to set up "visibility" at polling stations, usually just outside whatever the legal limit is.  If someone goes to a poll and sees a campaign worker too close, it should be reported to the polling personnel who have an obligation to ask the person to move.  Needless to say, this should be done whether the offender is a Clinton or Obama person (and Clinton does "vis" too).

    [ Parent ]
    There's usually a perimeter (none / 0) (#8)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:06:41 AM EST
    No electioneering inside the perimeter, but I don't know the specific rules for how many feet away from the polling place the perimeter is.

    [ Parent ]
    Stay out of My Face! (none / 0) (#22)
    by plf1953 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:18:08 AM EST
    I don't know about the rest of you, but if I'm on the fence as I walk to my polling site, and I'm badgered by campaign workers to vote a certain way, I might be strongly inclined to vote the opposite way.

    I really don't like something as personal as voting to be messed with like that.

    [ Parent ]

    That's Probably True for a Lot of People (none / 0) (#29)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:24:47 AM EST
    When I did visibility for Clinton, I'd simply hold my sign and wave, maybe say good morning.  You don't want to give a person bad feelings about a candidate as they go in to vote.  I would guess the Obama folks would feel the same way. The danger, of course, for both campaigns is that these folks are, like me, volunteers.

    [ Parent ]
    No... (none / 0) (#26)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:20:01 AM EST
    ... it is not illegal.

    Typically campaigning and signs must be a certain distance away from the doors, but it varies from state to state.  

    What people do is stand right at the edge of that perimeter and hand out literature and what not.  

    [ Parent ]

    Jeez (none / 0) (#5)
    by ineedalife on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:04:52 AM EST
    1/2 of the voting machines not working? Something is fishy there. I can see them crapping out later in the day but aren't they tested in the days before the election? Smells like voter suppression to me. I hope those folks come back after work.

    machine problems (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by wasabi on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:08:47 AM EST
    All the voting locations are run by volunteers.  If you follow the boot-up procedures, things should run smoothly.  It is unusual for half of the booths to be inoperative, but at least they had somone there who was attempting to work on them.

    I helped out in Florida for Kerry and one large University had one voting location with a total of 2 booths for 30K students.  Now that's supression!

    [ Parent ]

    I live in South Texas (none / 0) (#6)
    by ivs814 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:06:05 AM EST
    and am a Hillary Precinct Captain.  Down here the local races are very contentious.  We do not have any Republican opposition so for the most part the Primary determines the election.  Hillary is going to win down here with large margins but I must admit that when I approached the polling places and saw all the Obama signs, I was very surprised.  Should make the caucus very interesting.  

    In NJ (none / 0) (#12)
    by Lil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:09:27 AM EST
    I've had people sneer at me for the bumper stickers on my car, when I park to vote. I happen to vote in a reublican area, although NJ as a whole is a blue state.

    This is why (none / 0) (#17)
    by eric on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:15:38 AM EST
    campaigning should be left at the door of a polling place.  (Outide a good perimeter, actually).  Here in Minnesota, that is the law.

    However, the law does not apply to caucusus, of course, as they are inherently political gatherings.  The problem is - this year anyway - that they turned the caucus into a quasi-primary in which you could just vote on a scrap of paper and leave.  Because it was called a "caucus", the election law didn't apply.  It was disconcerting because all of the "election" volunteers were fully clad in Obama gear.  Not exactly a comfortable atmosphere.

    Caucuses (none / 0) (#33)
    by themomcat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:29:40 AM EST
    are inherently undemocratic in that they are not anonymous and are too easily manipulated by over zealous supporters of specific candidates who can be very intimidating. Caucuses need to be controlled by a non-partisan organization, usually a state board of elections, and partial observers need to be present to insure fairness. My opinion is that caucuses just need to abolished along with the Electoral College. One person, one vote. The popular vote should decide the President.The US needs to come into the 21st Century. But that is just my opinion

    [ Parent ]
    Exactly. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:44:16 AM EST
    I don't see how people can ignore the fact that Obama supporters/followers/worshippers/whatevers have been vociferous in their support, much more so than Hillary supporters/etc.

    Honestly, it is very religious in nature. People take it so PERSONALLY when you criticize Obama. I think most of it has to do with the fact that you can't really defend most of the criticism about him. Facts are facts, and he is not really a progressive candidate. When you have an injury or open wound, it is sensitive to poke at it; I imagine it's the same way with his voting record, his experience, all the things that he claims that are untrue, etc.

    People new to the political realm (ie: most of Obama's young supporters) don't understand that EVERYONE is tainted in some way; they want to believe that he is above it all, untouchable, and when evidence comes along showing he is not, it hurts them and their worldview. Hillary fans have had 16 years of that garbage, and are used to it.

    So, to remain on topic, I think that the caucus set up is a huge disadvantage for Hillary, whose supporters tend to more tempered natures. It's very easy to get mobbed by Obama supporters. I'd love to see a poll of caucus goers, a secret poll, and compare that to the caucus results. I'd be willing to bet that the public caucus results come out highly off-balance in favor of Obama.

    [ Parent ]

    i agree. (none / 0) (#43)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:03:58 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    Exactly, I'm a very nervy person... (none / 0) (#37)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:39:41 AM EST
    ...but I don't think I would really enjoy a caucus if it was really contentious, which is part of the problem of taking the caucus model out on the road, just my opinion having never participated in one.

    [ Parent ]
    Caucuses are much more fuss... (none / 0) (#63)
    by ItsGreg on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:10:03 PM EST
    ...it's true, but I don't think that makes them "inherently undemocratic." I used to reside in Iowa and I found the caucuses to be an intriguing alternative to the standard primary system.

    True, because they take a long time not everybody can attend, and that poses a serious problem for people who work in the evenings. But I found the lack of anonymity to be refreshing. I think secret ballots are absolutely necessary in the actual election, but I'm not convinced they're critical in the primary phase. I liked the fact that people stood up openly for their candidates and were able to articulate the reasons for their support.

    I certainly never saw any intimidation taking place. Since it all took place in public, I don't think any of us would have allowed anybody to be intimidated.

    A caucus certainly isn't an efficient process. And it does disenfranchise people who work in the evening. But I think it would be hard to deny that they're a classic form of direct democracy.

    [ Parent ]

    As someone that has (none / 0) (#64)
    by Practically Lactating on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:17:10 PM EST
    caucused in Iowa and another state, I can tell you my experience in Iowa was vastly different.  My first caucus was in Iowa and I largely shared your opinion of caucuses before caucusing in CO earlier this year.  The contrast was stark.

    I found IA to be engaging, positive, and well-organized.  CO was the complete opposite, and because of my experience in CO, have since changed my stance on caucuses.  

    [ Parent ]

    People have many opportunities (none / 0) (#65)
    by ChrisO on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:26:55 PM EST
    to articulate their support. Why does it have to happen as people are voting? I happen to think that the secret ballot is a cornerstone of Democracy. And who knows how many people stay away from a caucus because of the atmosphere?

    I thought a lot of the criticisms of the Nevada caucus were right on. Minimum wage culinary workers had to stand up at their workplace, in front of their bosses and union stewards, and declare who they were voting for. How can that not be intimidating?

    I can't say for sure this has happened, but I can't believe it's very comfortable for an AA voter to stand up at an all-black caucus and declare support for Hillary.

    [ Parent ]

    Which means it disenfranchises (none / 0) (#66)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:27:11 PM EST
    a whole faction of people (blue collar workers), which isn't a small issue.

    [ Parent ]
    Really??? (none / 0) (#18)
    by pennypacker on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:16:55 AM EST
    any phone calls I have received from Clinton supporters asking for her vote were extremely rude when I said I was voting for Obama. When I made phone calls for Obama the campaign stressed over and over again to be friendly no matter who was voting and it showed at least with the people I was with.

    Well (none / 0) (#27)
    by NecSorteNecFato on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:22:27 AM EST
    I have made phone calls for Clinton, and I can tell you that it was also stressed to us that we are the face of the campaign, be polite to everyone no matter what, etc. I'm sure that both campaigns are careful to make these statements, but given the negative experiences people have been reporting with both Obama and Clinton supporters, clearly the heated nature of this campaign is causing some people to have difficulty keeping themselves in check.

    Also FWIW, I voted early in Ohio yesterday, and our BoE said they have been slammed all week and were still pretty disorganized. No one I saw was wearing anything for one candidate or the other. There aren't too many Clinton signs around here, but Obama has a HQ in my town and has inundated every place with signs. I also think someone took the time to peel the Hillary sticker off my car...I think the "movement" meme of the Obama campaign is fostering a kind of with us or against us mentality.

    [ Parent ]

    Calling for Clinton (none / 0) (#34)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:29:43 AM EST
    In my experience, the Clinton staff always stressed orally and in writing to be polite as well.  If a person was for Obama (or Edwards) we were to simply thank them for their time and move on.  

    I tend to give both campaigns a break on their volunteers.  No campaign can completely control them, they do the best they can.  FWIW, I spent quite a few hours in a Clinton phone bank and never heard any Obama bashing (at least not on the phone, heh).  But I'm sure there has been incidents of it on both sides, that's the price any campaign pays for using volunteers.  

    [ Parent ]

    I'm sure the Obama campaign.... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:43:20 AM EST
    ...tells volunteers to be polite. But do they all listen? Probably not. Funny how Clinton has the rep for being the fighter, but in my view more Obama supporters are looking at this as a war, calling Clinton the enemy and so on. Although I have often been angry at the Obama campaign I never have thought of them as the enemy. I still know an enemy when I see one.

    [ Parent ]
    Yep (none / 0) (#46)
    by spit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:08:18 PM EST
    as somebody who wrangles volunteers on a regular basis for a tiny local nonprofit, I can't imagine how hard it would be to successfully herd them on a state or national scale.

    To be clear, in my experience, most volunteers are terrific. But there's always a subset that are very hard to even vaguely control, even with clear and direct instructions.

    [ Parent ]

    one things for sure Obama wins the SIGN wars :-) (none / 0) (#21)
    by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:17:10 AM EST
    i hear they're everywhere! at my polling place you can't have a sign or any kind of campaigning within 50 ft.

    I Just Voted (none / 0) (#31)
    by glanton on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:25:57 AM EST
    In South Central Texas.  Standing outside the precinct, a few Ron Paul and Obama partisans. No people outside the precinct, celebrating Clinton.

    However, on my way there I passed what a rather large roadside gathering of Latin-American men and women waving Hillary Clinton banners, soliciting us to honk our horns.  As I told my wife on the phone, it was striking to see such a spectacle in the flesh, as it were, after weeks of watching cable pundits talk Clinton's strength with that demographic.  

    But back to the precinct.  An Obama guy handed me a bumper sticker, which I accepted and then told him I was voting for Clinton.  But that I would keep the bumper sticker in case Obama won.

    My Polling, I mean election Experience (none / 0) (#38)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:41:21 AM EST
    Or rather my impression of how angry people are about this election is still this:


    First and foremost this remains my impression of Obama supporters.  Not just the fact that the person who wrote that is now an Obama supporter, but all the Obama supporters who recommended that Diary.  Recommending a diary means you think that what the author said has some value.

    No Obama supporter I have ever met, either before or since, has ever been able to muster the gumption to say that Diary was wrong.

    Will I vote for Obama in the General Election?

    Maybe.  I'd like to.

    the appeal to mass consumerism in (none / 0) (#47)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:09:03 PM EST
    that post is fitting.

    [ Parent ]
    That's pretty far down (none / 0) (#48)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:10:31 PM EST
    My list of words to describe it.

    [ Parent ]
    do tell. (none / 0) (#54)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:13:22 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    They lost me (none / 0) (#62)
    by Daryl24 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:01:01 PM EST
    after the oatmeal cookie comparison.

    [ Parent ]
    Wow (none / 0) (#41)
    by Jgarza on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:46:54 AM EST
    more insults at Obama supporters. This site is ridiculous.  You can't even publish a voter story without insulting Obama supporters.

    Obama supporters are easily insulted. (none / 0) (#42)
    by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:56:46 AM EST
    I had one of them stalking every post of mine here yesterday, demanding an apology for something that s/he thought was offensive to Obama supporters.

    For the record, the words "Obama" and "supporters" did not even appear int he post in question.

    [ Parent ]

    it is very true (none / 0) (#52)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:11:49 PM EST
    that there are some nasty Obama supporters out there, and that they mostly seem to be on the internet, but I think that here at TL we have at least a handful of sane ones, and they make their points very clearly and without trying to be vicious about it.

    I also agree that the mob mentality on some blogs has fostered a real "for us or against us" stance that is tearing folks apart.  And I mean mob mentality in the true sense, where no one speaks up early on, so it just snowballs into a rolling pile of hatred.  That certainly seems to be resulting in what the first "reporter" said about his experience at his polling place where Obama supporters turned their backs on him.  And of course we have seen countless examples of outright hostility reported during the NV caucus.

    [ Parent ]

    I'll Give this a try (none / 0) (#51)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:11:31 PM EST
    Interesting. Here in NY (none / 0) (#44)
    by JohnS on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:05:27 PM EST
    where I volunteer at the polls, there is no campaigning allowed within 100 feet of the polling place, let alone inside. Even lapel buttons for HRC or BHO weren't allowed inside. And poll workers are not allowed to express political opinions -- that's actually a criminal offense.

    interesting. i like that a lot. (none / 0) (#49)
    by kangeroo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:10:45 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    federal elections (none / 0) (#55)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:13:54 PM EST
    must have a standard law regarding this, right? (I know it's the primary, but it seems odd that they would change the rule from election to election)

    [ Parent ]
    Doubt it (none / 0) (#60)
    by spit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:55:00 PM EST
    elections themselves are handled by the states.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama has the money for signs apparently (none / 0) (#50)
    by diplomatic on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:11:17 PM EST
    So the Obama signs are everywhere... and I take that as a sign that Hillary is going to lose Texas tonight.  Really.  Unless people have a supernatural epiphany where a light shines down and the choirs begin singing that Hillary needs their votes.

    Dont know about Texas law (none / 0) (#53)
    by riddlerandy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:12:12 PM EST
    but in California, both the button and the signs would be prohibited anywhere near the polling place, and certainly inside the polling place.  But as their delegate selection process shows, TX may well be a bit different.

    Ohio (none / 0) (#58)
    by zimmjim on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:54:47 PM EST
    I voted in East Liverpool, Ohio this morning.  Had problems with the machine but they took the paper ballot and were awaiting the "rover."  More people than normal for early voting, primarily middle-aged women.  Hear there is some potential flooding around Steubenville for which they moved sites as a precaution.  

    I've disliked a lot of things ... (none / 0) (#61)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:58:43 PM EST
    about Obama and his supporters.  Especially the blame Clinton thing, which was uncalled for at Obama's press conference yesterday.

    But if Obama gets the nomination, I will turn on a dime and start defending him.  And I don't give a damn how disingenuous it looks.