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Barack Obama Again Addresses Rev. Wright

On Larry King Live: (live-blogging)What Wright said is unacceptable. His statements were hurtful and reckless.

He wasn't aware of them, he wasn't in the church when he said them.

His church is a typical traditional AA Church. It's a bedrock of the South Side of Chicago with people from all walks of life.

Had I known that these comments were made, I would have confronted him directly, and I might have left.

His own career is about bringing people together. His own background is one of diversity. He's rooted in the AA community, there are flaws in the AA community, just as there are with all communities.

More....

He hasn't spoken to Wright since this because he's on sabbatical and on a cruise. Last summer these sermons first came to light. He told him he was uncomfortable with them but said because he played such an important part in his life, he hoped they could get past them (or something like that.)

Fourth time he says Wright's comments were inexcusable. Again defends the church. Says white people come to visit and are welcome. There are white members. They've done great things speaking out on AIDS and gays.

Some of the criticism has been a distortion. And it's about race. It's a difficult issue we haven't overcome. We've made enormous progress during my lifetime. We have more in common than what divides us.

He wants to keep talking about it during the campaign, but doesn't want to lose track of other issues.

Commercial and then will get to his comments in his speech about his wife's grandmother.

They replay his statement about his grandmothers "fear of black men who passed her by on the street." King asks him about his statement today saying his grandmother was a "typical white person."

he says what I meant was those are stereotypical fears to crime that are embedded in our culture that many people have. His point was good people who are not racist are still subject to these images and sterotypes.

Will all of this hurt his campaign? He's not answering, he's talking about change and unity and solving problems. Now he says he's confident people will judge him on his life, record and 20 years of service and if they support him, we'll have a chance of making real changes.

End of Wright and race discussion. End of live blogging.

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    Defense (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Athena on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:42:12 PM EST
    It's just not credible.

    His church (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by americanincanada on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:43:22 PM EST
    is not a typical AA church. Not from the ones I have been to in the south growing up and not from some of the interviews I saw today.

    [ Parent ]
    Am I in crazy land (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:42:50 PM EST
    or is this going against what he said in The Speech?

    Is this continuing to dig in order to get out of the hole?

    I just don't understand.  It's political roulette.  

    I am surprised (5.00 / 7) (#8)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:47:15 PM EST
    We all speculated that his inexperience would mean he could not handle the pressure of intense scrutiny or vetting but this has been so sloppy that it goes beyond my expectation.

    Just one story and even he admits he has been "shaken up"

    [ Parent ]

    Sort of tragic (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:48:23 PM EST
    if after all the adulation he ends up with this as the legacy.  


    [ Parent ]
    I'm There With You (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by chrisvee on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:31:12 PM EST
    His campaign may have mortally wounded Clinton in the AA community and now they seem to be in utter meltdown.  Will we have a candidate left for November?  Somebody get John Edwards on the phone.

    [ Parent ]
    or something like that.. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by waldenpond on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:42:58 PM EST
    important part in his life, he hoped they could get past them...  Obama hoped they 'we' ? could get past them or they 'the church' could get past them?  

    Just want a little clarification...

    It's possible that I'm clouded by my (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by tigercourse on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:45:32 PM EST
    partisanship but I don't believe him. Didn't he say something different in his speech on Tuesday?

    Triple Flip-Flop? (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:45:41 PM EST
    Now he's back to saying this: "He wasn't aware of them, he wasn't in the church when he said them"

    ???

    He wasn't there (friday interviews) then he was there  (speech), and now he's gone again. (larry king)

    It's a triple... (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:50:08 PM EST
    like the ice skating Olympics...

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by tek on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:30:42 PM EST
    He does seem to be all over the place.

    I guess it's mean, but I'm kind of hoping this is his Guliani moment.

    [ Parent ]

    But he knew about them Suddenly Last Summer.... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by jawbone on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:06:27 PM EST
    More WORMs?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, why cancel Wright introducing him (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:06:08 PM EST
    as planned at Obama's campaign kickoff, which upset Wright, if Obama wasn't aware of a problem in what Wright said until now?

    That's what doesn't add up for me.  Not that anyone in the so-called journalistic corps is going to put it together and ask him . . . although that also would require Obama actually holding a press conference, and maybe actually allowing more than eight questions.

    [ Parent ]

    No (none / 0) (#15)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:51:19 PM EST
    In the speech he said that he had heard Wright say many controversial things.  He didn't reference specific items.  

    The most noxious of Wright's speeches, at least that are available to see,  was given on a day when Obama wasn't there.  This has been corroborated.

    [ Parent ]

    I Did Not Hear the Sermons (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:53:41 PM EST
    Of that Pastor.


    [ Parent ]
    Maybe he should have bought those (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by nycstray on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:55:33 PM EST
    DVD's also to listen to while he was away . .

    [ Parent ]
    I heard (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:39 PM EST
    But I didn't inhale, as in it went into my ears, but I blew them right back out! :)

    [ Parent ]
    Wait, wait... (none / 0) (#192)
    by delandjim on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 12:55:29 PM EST
    I thought it was "The point was to inhale. That was the point." BHO

    [ Parent ]
    Best post of the day, IMO. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Angel on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:12 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    LOL! Wagging his finger too? (none / 0) (#200)
    by andrys on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:10:05 AM EST
    > "I Did Not Hear the Sermons...of THAT Pastor..."

    [ Parent ]
    Sounds like (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Coldblue on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:38 PM EST
    the the elementary school 'I was absent that day' excuse.

    [ Parent ]
    corroborated (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:52 PM EST
    I see.  All of them?  The podium humping anti-Clinton one?  The G D America one?  The AIDS was created to kill all black people one?  Which of these are the most noxious?

    Doesn't it seem a tad strange to you that on all the days that Wright said all those nasty things, Obama wasn't there?   Did Wright tone it down in order to protect Obama?  "Oh, Obama is here, lemme say that AIDS was meant to kill gays instead."

    Come on.  Do the math.  Obama was never there?

    And you know there are more tapes out there.  Someone is probably looking right now to find Obama in a screen shot with his hands up or clapping.

    [ Parent ]

    WORM (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by chrisvee on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:26:44 PM EST
    Not only was he not there but apparently no one else who attended ever mentioned the statements to Senator Obama or to his wife.

    Uh huh.

    [ Parent ]

    3 sermons (none / 0) (#175)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:08:35 AM EST
    The offensive statements are in 3 sermons....If there were others they should have surfaced by now....Wright gave 3 sermons every Sunday for at least 20 years....

    Obama admitted he has heard controversial statements by Wright but not the 3 over-the-top sermons that everyone is commenting upon....

    Obama has been perfectly consistent and has been saying the same thing for a week.....People just want to simplify the issue into a simple yes or no:  Wright was preaching consistently an anti-American viewpoint every Sunday that Obama heard, or not.....There is an in-between position:  Wright was occasionally on the edge when Obama was there and fell off the cliff 3 times when Obama was not there....

    [ Parent ]

    If you look at the clip on the (none / 0) (#190)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:48:15 AM EST
    the Bill Clinton "played dirty" bit, you will see Obama at the end. They tried to edit him out, but missed a frame or two. He was there for that sermon. It's on tape. Would link, but can't find the link right now. It's on YouTube, of course.

    [ Parent ]
    "Played dirty" (none / 0) (#194)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 03:50:44 PM EST
    Do you have a link?  

    If Wright was talking about Monica, that's what Pastors do:  talk about adultery.....Perhaps crude but well within the moral structure of the church.

    [ Parent ]

    If I found something in one of the videos (none / 0) (#201)
    by andrys on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:13:34 AM EST
    ... I wouldn't be posting it to youtube, I'd be contacting the news places or the tabloids for $$$.

      Okay, I'm corrupted.

    [ Parent ]

    He was at the "riding dirty" sermon (none / 0) (#202)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:46:55 PM EST
    if you look at this video, he is in the very last frame. Looks like they tried to cut it before he appeared and missed one. Once it has run, just tap the end of the indicator and it will show the last frame..Obama.
    Don't know how to embed here, so here is the link.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMWfQl_Qeg

    [ Parent ]

    flyerhawk, our friendly devil's advocate (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:01:25 PM EST
    Unfortunately the evidence of the flip flops is overwhelming at this point.  I can find you some videos that illustrate this in vivid detail with a montage of all his versions of excuses from interviews he gave last Friday.

    It will only lead to you looking less credible though, so maybe you want to go do this in private.

    [ Parent ]

    Quotes? Links? (none / 0) (#50)
    by plf1953 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:02:52 PM EST
    Please provide the corroborating evidence.

    [ Parent ]
    How about his big speech? (none / 0) (#92)
    by Dancing Bear on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:26:19 PM EST
    Did you not see his big speech?

    [ Parent ]
    WTF are you talking about? Of course I saw (none / 0) (#110)
    by plf1953 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:34:31 PM EST
    the speech.

    That has nothing to do with my question to Flyerhawk who said this above:

    The most noxious of Wright's speeches, at least that are available to see,  was given on a day when Obama wasn't there.  This has been corroborated.

    He claims it "has been corroborated" that Obama didn't attend and didn't hear Wright's garbage mouth.

    I've asked him to provide the corroboration as I haven't heard or seen this.

    You're welcome to do this as well.

    [ Parent ]

    Calm down. I believe Dancing Bear was (none / 0) (#117)
    by Teresa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:39:13 PM EST
    being snarky.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, maybe its me, but snark usually at least (none / 0) (#122)
    by plf1953 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:43:37 PM EST
    obliquely applies to the subject you're talking about.

    Silly me.

    [ Parent ]

    How about proof (none / 0) (#176)
    by MKS on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 01:10:51 AM EST
    he was there....

    Circumstantial proof in favor of Obama:  He wrote favorably of Wright in his two books.  If he had known Wright was off his rocker he would not have done that....

    [ Parent ]

    Obama seems to have (none / 0) (#203)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:53:57 PM EST
    tunnel vision when it comes to his friends. He had no idea that Rezko was a bad guy either. Never asked, apparently. Obama seems to not delve very deeply into people's character before taking them on as mentors and good friends. It seems that what makes you a good person in his eyes is liking him. Narcissists evaluate people that way, not the sort of judgment you want picking cabinet members, ambassadors, etc. Competence and character don't seem to mean much to Obama, as long as they like him. Not my idea of good judgment.

    [ Parent ]
    He COULD have been at that sermon... (none / 0) (#199)
    by andrys on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:54:13 AM EST
    Actually, while it was shown that Obama was in out of state, in Miami that Sunday and Kristol had to apologize and correct his story, it was THEN discovered, using Washington Post's Presidential  Tracker that Obama was in Chicago that morning.  He had a scheduled "appearance" that day in Chicago.  They don't say what it was.

      His campaign answers by saying "We have reviewed his schedule," he wrote. "He didn't go to church that day."

      That's the last I read.  

    [ Parent ]

    Jarelyn... (5.00 / 8) (#7)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:46:42 PM EST
    Thanks for taking one for the team...I cannot watch tv or listen to radio anymore.  

    Going to repost a link here... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by hopeyfix on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:48:12 PM EST
    ... because I think it is more pertinent to this discussion.

    Obama is trying now to spread the Wright controversy, it seems.

    I don't even know what to make of this.

    Are you kidding? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:52:03 PM EST
    This is really great....!!!  So, what is the point?  

    [ Parent ]
    The obvious point (none / 0) (#165)
    by ding7777 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:48:49 PM EST
    is that the Rev doesn't mind shaking hands with a President who was "riding dirty".

    Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty,

     

    [ Parent ]

    Again, a good link worth seeing (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:52:06 PM EST
    if you missed it in the past thread, folks.

    Reeks of desperation by the Obama campaign.  Some comments funny that catch that, too.

    [ Parent ]

    It does seem petty (none / 0) (#142)
    by Josey on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:03:19 PM EST
    like Obama isn't aware that presidents have their pics made with thousands of people they barely know.
    But Obama doesn't mind appearing ignorant - he just wants to focus the public on Clinton's impeachment.

    [ Parent ]
    What this Proves (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:22 PM EST
    Rev. Jeremiah Wright is Pastor of Hypocrisy.

    His attacks on the Clintons (which probably should not be repeated here) are now well documented.


    [ Parent ]

    That is exactly what I was thinking (none / 0) (#34)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:58:27 PM EST
    When I was looking at the story. I must be really biased.

    [ Parent ]
    I think the moral of the story (none / 0) (#159)
    by standingup on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:22:13 PM EST
    is two wrongs don't make a Wright (right).  

    [ Parent ]
    Wow. So they decided to go there? (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by nycstray on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:00:12 PM EST
    {shakes head}

    Of course they tried to do this with Rezko (sp?) also.

    [ Parent ]

    Wolfson cracks me up (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by waldenpond on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:02:34 PM EST
    a picture, ooooooo  lol

    [ Parent ]
    Another photo of Clinton w/ a figure embarrassing (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by jawbone on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:12:36 PM EST
    to Obama. First, the photo of Retzko with the Clintons surfaced (surely from the Obama campaign)--one of those go thru the handshake ine and get a photo taken.

    Now, this. Sheesh.

    Wonder what the Rev. Wright told Clinton about "ridin' dirty."

    [ Parent ]

    Times seems to call the Obama campaign out-- (none / 0) (#80)
    by jawbone on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:17:17 PM EST
    During one of the most difficult periods in the presidency of Bill Clinton, he addressed a group of clerics at an annual prayer breakfast in September 1998 just as the Starr report outlining his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky was about to be published.

    Among those in attendance, was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., who is seen shaking hands with Mr. Clinton in a photograph provided today by the Obama campaign. Mr. Wright's relationship with Senator Barack Obama, as his longtime pastor, has been the subject of considerable controversy in recent days because of incendiary excerpts of sermons Mr. Wright gave at their church, Trinity United Church of Christ, in Chicago.

    In providing the photograph to The New York Times, the Obama campaign appeared to be trying to divert some attention to the Clintons after a week in which Mr. Obama's relationship with Mr. Wright has left him facing one of the biggest challenges of his campaign. There is nothing in the picture or the note that addresses whether Mr. Clinton had met Mr. Wright prior to the White House meeting or whether he or Mrs. Clinton knew anything about Mr. Wright's views.


    [ Parent ]

    Obama sent the media the pic (none / 0) (#140)
    by Josey on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:00:37 PM EST
    to remind the public of Clinton's adultery - but disguised by the Obama Camp's claim the pic shows Wright was a good guy, even invited to the WH by Clinton.


    [ Parent ]
    I hope the Obama campaign does not expect (none / 0) (#153)
    by Practically Lactating on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:12:37 PM EST
    Hillary to cut her ties with Bill as a result of this devastating photo.  He is, after all, "like family." Look for a big speech from Hillary tomorrow.

    [ Parent ]
    I looked at the picture (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:13:57 PM EST
    and it reminded me of, oh yeah, when Clinton was in the White House.

    And all I could think about was the peace and prosperity....now there's a picture I can't get out of my head....countries liked us...we liked ourselves.

    I really think this isn't going anywhere

    [ Parent ]

    echoes of the Rezko picture with Clintons (none / 0) (#33)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:57:11 PM EST
    not even close to an equivalent comparison or relationship and it only serves to highlight how much more serious the tie is with Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton isn't even looking at the guy (none / 0) (#41)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:59:44 PM EST
    But--hey, where did this photo and the invitation come from?

    Reverend White.

    So, he must be coordinating with the campaign--or at least he was until he got on that slow boat to happyland or wherever he decided to trot off to so he'd be out of the way of the press.

    And I thought he retired?  Now, he's on sabbatical?

    Give me a break.

    [ Parent ]

    not looking (none / 0) (#87)
    by corn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:23:09 PM EST
    and there's a line waiting for their turn.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama is being advised (none / 0) (#45)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:01:07 PM EST
    By blogger consultants who think Clinton and Bush in the same picture means something.

    Have they built their float yet?

    [ Parent ]

    I think they lightened Clinton's skin (5.00 / 13) (#89)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:24:20 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You made me spew my drink!!! N/T (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:25:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Me too! (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by tek on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:48:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    now that's the comment of the night (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:48:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I third or fourth or whatever that (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by cal1942 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:14:51 PM EST
    I only got the function keys on my keyboard.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks! (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by GDKitty on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:49:25 PM EST
    ROFLMAO!  Thank you, Kathy :)

    Honestly--how desperate is this photo tactic?  Jeez Louise.  

    [ Parent ]

    I can see the videos now. Split screen with BO (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by Angel on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:50:18 PM EST
    saying that he wasn't aware of the speeches, wasn't in the church when they were said; other side he's saying he was aware but didn't do anything about it, they were just words, yes, I was there but it was a long time ago.  

    He wants it both ways.  He's been this way with almost all the issues.  He just can't keep his stories straight or he thinks we'll only remember the last thing he said.  Sheesh.

    On Youtube (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:55:59 PM EST
    there are already several videos doing exactly that.

    [ Parent ]
    But words (none / 0) (#82)
    by PlayInPeoria on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:18:26 PM EST
    matter

    The remarks are already coming in about Rev.

    This is just awful!! I may have to vote for Sen Obama if he gets the nomination.

    [ Parent ]

    Now for the Anti-American Angle! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by InkSlayer on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:50:20 PM EST
    Here's another angle to the Wright story that hasn't been explored properly:

    Obama gave his big speech about Race trying to end his Reverend Wright problem.

    But Reverend Wright's rants weren't just racist, there were anti-American. Even more so Anti-American one could argue.

    Anyone who watches Reverend Wright give his "Coming home to roost " sermon 5 days after 9/11/2001 has to conclude that the Reverend is happy America finally got it's comeuppance.

    How can the President of the United States not only belong to that church, but support it to the tune of thousands of dollars a year?

    WTF?

    Can Barack please give us another speech, maybe telling us about his Grandmother's occasional anti-American slurs.

    I know I'd sure feel better. (snark)

    And there is no way he didn't know about the Coming Home to Roost speech. Even if he wasn't there in person, although we know he was in Chicago that weekend.

    .

    you just heard about this? (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:55:37 PM EST
    That video clip came out the same day as the rest of them and yes it is equally disturbing.  But it goes to show that people are STILL having this story sink in days later.

    The "Chickens are coming home to roost" line was originally uttered by Malcolm X.

    [ Parent ]

    NO (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by InkSlayer on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:07:19 PM EST
    NO - I noticed it right away - that's why I'm wondering why the MSM is just talking about this as if it is a race problem.

    Thanks

    [ Parent ]

    Oh, ok (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM EST
    well my guess would be that "race" is better for ratings.  Truth is secondary for many of these so-called journalists.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by tek on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:49:57 PM EST
    In response to JFK's assassination.  Now there's a connection the Obama campaign probably doesn't want to make.

    Wonder what Teddy Kennedy thinks about that?

    [ Parent ]

    I agree- I only noticed the anti-American (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by kenosharick on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:43 PM EST
    stuff until the media started screaming RACISM! Which Barack has been using to his political favor.

    [ Parent ]
    Also a couple of nasty smears on (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by nycstray on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:03:22 PM EST
    Pres. & Sen Clintons.

    I noticed the anti-American and racism the first time i saw the story. The AIDs and other smears later after my brain recovered.

    [ Parent ]

    WJC (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by waldenpond on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:12:35 PM EST
    reference... I am not young and have a rather vulgar sense of humor and had never heard the phrase 'riding dirty.'  The phrase I noticed most was 'he did us, like he did Lewinsky.'

    [ Parent ]
    Wright Hypocrite (5.00 / 3) (#81)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:18:10 PM EST
    This is what is more despicable, this pastor, who was called to this event at the White House, then ridiculous the Christian who confessed his sins.  Man, what kind of Christian is Wright?  

    [ Parent ]
    What kind of a Christian indeed, but even worse .. (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by plf1953 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:27:22 PM EST
    what kind of a minister or priest or rabbi would ridicule the sinner who just confessed to and asked forgiveness from him and a thousnd other men and women of God.

    Despicable ...

    If that had been my priest who'd done that I'd have left my church in an instant.

    [ Parent ]

    And yet I guess he felt it was special enough (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:30:50 PM EST
    ...that he a)accepted the invitation and b)kept it all these years.

    But I guess he didn't realize that Clinton "rode him dirty" until Barack Obama was running for president and he figured he would be an abundance of invitations to the White House.

    [ Parent ]

    Wow.... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:34:13 PM EST
    they really dug a big one....

    [ Parent ]
    Agree - The most harmful part to his campaign (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:59:39 PM EST
    is the god d** America sound clip we are going to see all through the GE.  Why is he trying to make it a racial issue, when it really isn't?  My only problem with The Speech, which overall was excellent, is that I'm not sure we need to have it explained to us, in 2008, why black people and white people get mad at eachother sometimes.  I think we all get that.  What needs explaining is why that means god should d** America.  

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry about the bold face. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:00:40 PM EST
    Guess asterisks turn it on.  Learn something new every day.

    [ Parent ]
    Why has no one said ... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:14:52 PM EST
    that the phrase about "chickens coming home to roost" is taken from Malcolm X's comment after the JFK assassination?

    A comment which even the National of Islam found untenable. It led to Malcolm X being removed from his leadership position with the NOI.

    I think Wright was clearly referencing that comment in his use of the term.

    But I don't see this referenced on the MSM or on any blogs.

    [ Parent ]

    and other Malcolm X lines... (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:18:53 PM EST
    include "you've been hoodwinked. bamboozled. led astray. okie-doke" etc, etc... all of which have been used by Obama in this campaign when primarily speaking in front of black audiences.

    He did it a bit tongue-in-cheek but I was disturbed that he seemed to be implying the Clintons were doing the hoodwinking.

    [ Parent ]

    Wow, that ought to have clicked for me (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:20:12 PM EST
    -- I remember it now.  (Loved that book.)

    That is just . . . so sad, isn't it?  Takes me back to two terrible days, devastating days.  And well I recall fools in 1963 who joked about it, too.

    [ Parent ]

    My Mother had a function to attend (5.00 / 2) (#143)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:04:49 PM EST
    a few days after and she said the Republican people were so gleeful there that she and my Father just left. I remember her coming home and really being mad at these so called friends. It was the end of several friendships because she really liked JFK and was disturbed that people could be so happy over such a tragic event. It was the wrong thing to say then and it is the wrong thing to say now and an insult to all the people who lost loved ones in New York and DC. That is a tell of what a person is all about.

    [ Parent ]
    Yep, I remember times like that (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:14:07 PM EST
    for my folks, too.  We were raised right, BBabe.

    [ Parent ]
    He was censured for 90 days, (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Practically Lactating on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:41:34 PM EST
    but he ultimately decided to leave the NOI and converted to Islam shortly after.

    [ Parent ]
    a big disappointment for me (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by Josey on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:06:50 PM EST
    re Obama's speech was he didn't denounce Wright's remarks about Hillary.


    [ Parent ]
    Also, the "Not God Bless America, (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by Practically Lactating on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:31:55 PM EST
    God D*** America" portion reminded me of Malcolm X's "Ballot or the Bullet" speech:

    No, I'm not an American. I'm one of the 22 million black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million black people who are the victims of democracy, nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So, I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag-waver--no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.


    [ Parent ]
    and does anyone find it a little coincidental (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by wrkn129 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:49:00 AM EST
    that Obama quit wearing the flag pin "shortly after" 9/11?  Isn't that about the same time Wright made the comments about chickens coming home to roost?  link

    [ Parent ]
    oops. let me try that link again (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by wrkn129 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 02:55:44 AM EST
    link

    [ Parent ]
    hmm it was there yesterday (none / 0) (#198)
    by wrkn129 on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:58:36 PM EST
    it's been moved to here: link

    [ Parent ]
    what a stupid idea of Obama's campaign to try (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by athyrio on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:50:44 PM EST
    to show that picture with Clinton at some white house function as if to suggest a comparable friendship....very very stupid...

    I saw that pic... I don;t know why people like (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by TalkRight on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:55:02 PM EST
    Mark Halperin would put that on his page.. what are they trying to say..? it is shame that our media is trying to protect Obama and demean Clinton in any way as possible.

    [ Parent ]
    let them do it (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:08:11 PM EST
    they are learning the meaning of "karma boomerang"

    think about it-- this is only going to keep this story going and people comparing 20 year relationship vs 1 day of random greeting.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes, karma is a...hillary (5.00 / 4) (#88)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:23:53 PM EST
    If he thinks this is hard to dig out of, maybe he is wishing he had thrown Hillary a life line on the LBJ-MLK thing that she had to explain for two freakin' weeks, including a session with Punkinhead  Russert.  

    [ Parent ]
    this is so on point (5.00 / 7) (#95)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:27:32 PM EST
    maybe he is wishing he had thrown Hillary a life line on the LBJ-MLK thing that she had to explain for two freakin' weeks, including a session with Punkinhead  Russert.  

    I would have a lot more respect for him and his "unity" crap if O had done this way back when the whole race thing was going on.

    Can you imagine how different the conversation would be today if Obama had joined Clinton in chastising Shuster, for instance?  It would have cost him nothing and gained him everything, but O was so shortsighted, so gleeful that the good press was going his way and the bad was going Clinton's, that he couldn't stop to think ten steps ahead and realize that by taking up for her, he would have done exactly the thing he was saying he wanted to do: shown a different kind of politics.

    But, he didn't, so here we are.

    [ Parent ]

    Racism didn't become something he had to address (5.00 / 5) (#113)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:37:25 PM EST
    until it was hurting him and not the Clintons.  The rest of this post is from Bob Somerby today at dailyhowler.com.   I couldn't agree more. First quote is from Obama's speech.

    And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive turn.

    Shorter Obama: Race only becomes divisive when it starts to hurt me! All that race-baiting aimed at the Clintons? That was OK, this text implies. At least, that's how it struck us.




    [ Parent ]
    Somerby overall praises the speech, as do I (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:53:40 PM EST
    Just to be clear.  

    [ Parent ]
    You know... (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by Dave B on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:53:24 PM EST
    If he had defended the Clintons against the attacks and accusations of racism, I just might be a supporter of his.

    Instead, I sent Hillary another $50 today.

    [ Parent ]

    Me too (5.00 / 3) (#137)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:56:11 PM EST
    In fact, a lot of her support has hardened among people like me who almost reflexively defended her when no one else would.  If he had shown her the grace and respect she deserved after Iowa, it might easily have been all over.

    [ Parent ]
    For me the Obama revulsion moment (none / 0) (#204)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:11:46 PM EST
    came courtesy of Michelle Obama. She said that a woman who can't keep her own house in order has no business trying to run the country..as if a husband's cheating has anything to do with the wife's competence at her job. For a woman to sling that sort of manure at another woman, even if she is running against the sainted husband, is beyond the pale. It showed me early on just how low the Obama campaign would stoop. And then she had to "think about" whether she would support Hillary in the GE if she got the nomination. That is when I realized that the Obama campaign isn't about improving America, helping people, or anything but Barack Obama's ambition. He will use anyone, including his own "beloved" grandmother, to get what he wants. And I want a President who is about what WE want, not what HE wants. We just had eight years of a President like that. Enough is enough, thank you.

    [ Parent ]
    shortsightedness is something (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:11:33 PM EST
    Obama seems to have in abundance, and that is not a good thing.  I've been saying for some time that he's running as if winning the nomination is the end of the race instead of the beginning of the hardest, and most important, part.  Yeah, I know that he can't get to the general until he wins the nomination, but he seems to have no long-term strategy.

    It all started to go downhill for me when he snarked "you're likeable enough, Hillary."

    Edwards will be on with Leno tonight - oh, for what could have been.

    [ Parent ]

    I was torn between Hillary and (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by hairspray on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:20:47 PM EST
    Edwards.  It was the fighting spirit of these two and when Edwards dropped out I turned solidly to Hillary. But I was turning to her already because I kept defending her against vitriol.  The more I learned about her the more I liked her. I have always wondered why the 'short circut to the big prize' for Obama.  Being president is a lot more than that.

    [ Parent ]
    Same as Rezko (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by waldenpond on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:04:51 PM EST
    When the story of Rezko was coming out, the Obama camp release a meet and greet picture of the Clintons with Rezko.  It just so.... weak.

    [ Parent ]
    Gives us an excuse to talk about Wright (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by catfish on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:32:48 PM EST
    for a few more days :)

    [ Parent ]
    What it suggests (4.00 / 1) (#27)
    by dannyinla on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:56:16 PM EST
    is that Wright was considered a respectable enough leader that he, and many other church leaders, were worthy of being invited to the White House by President Clinton.

    What it suggests is that Wright was viewed by the then President of the United States to be a profoundly religious and important church leader.

    That's what it suggests.

    [ Parent ]

    A profoundly religious church leader (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:59:07 PM EST
    Who would then say the nastiest things imaginable about Bill 13 years later.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, and I'm sure Bill personally issued the (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Angel on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:59:10 PM EST
    invitation.  Give me a break.  

    [ Parent ]
    And who implied he wasn't (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:59:27 PM EST
    Any of those things? But does that somehow change what he said?

    [ Parent ]
    was it after 2001 comments? (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by TalkRight on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:00:08 PM EST
    .. go figure

    [ Parent ]
    Were they married by this pastor or regular (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by TalkRight on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:01:52 PM EST
    attendee on his church or donate avg:20,000$ yearly to that church?

    [ Parent ]
    Wright also (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:03:25 PM EST
    "blessed" their house.  I have no idea what that means--prayed and sprinkled some water?  I hope he didn't hump the bathroom sink.

    Okay, well, that's gonna get deleted.

    [ Parent ]

    Out home was blessed by both (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:08:44 PM EST
    a Protestant minister and a rabbi.

    Both behaved themselves very well, thank you, and the ancient (100-year-old solid porcelain) sink survived.  Whether they sprinkled, though, I dunno.  Door was closed.

    Btw, a couple of years later, a friend who is a Wiccan offered to bless the house, too.  What the heck, we thought.  So we figure we're covered now against all sorts of righteous wraths.  Or wraiths?

    [ Parent ]

    That's Great (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by cal1942 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:00:15 PM EST
    cream city.  I never thought of that although when I read your comment I couldn't help but remember the scene in MASH (the movie) showing Father Mulcahy blessing a jeep.

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by tek on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:43:53 PM EST
    Oh I hope not.  

    That reminds me I read where Rev. Wright gave a demonstration of Bill Clinton's tryst and I never did see it.

    [ Parent ]

    I have made myself resist searching (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Cream City on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:09:59 PM EST
    YouTube for that and other segments I have missed by switching channels whenever the stupid tapes came on.  That is hard for a nooz junkie to do.  But --

    I decided to give up Rev. Wright videos for Lent.

    That way, I could keep chocolate this year.  Mmmm.:-)

    [ Parent ]

    Had their children baptized there too. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Angel on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:04:55 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Not if it was the Clinton White House (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by ruffian on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:13:40 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ha (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by nell on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:53:27 PM EST
    Well, given the way Rev. Wright was bashing both Hillary and Bill, clearly he did not feel they were kind enough to him to constitute true friendship. This is just foolish of him.

    I have to ask: (5.00 / 6) (#19)
    by InkSlayer on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:53:28 PM EST
    If meeting Reverend Wright for one minute is bad, what level of evil is it to be his best buddy for 20 plus years?


    No kidding. (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by americanincanada on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:59:35 PM EST
    And I doubt Bill Clinton himself invited those pastors and religious leaders.

    [ Parent ]
    massive tactical error (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by diplomatic on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:04:47 PM EST
    I am very close to declaring official meltdown.
    But I am disciplined and wait for the voters to prove it.

    [ Parent ]
    He is still saying he was unaware of these comment (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by kenosharick on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:53:41 PM EST
    for 20 years? If Hillary sat in a pew listening to hate speech/KKK/white power garbage for ONE DAY her campaign would be over. Media double standard. Why did he NEVER speak up on ths until he needed to save his own butt?