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Clinton Derangement Syndrome

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:14:43 AM EST
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Kevin Drum finds the latest version. Soon to be seen at a Clinton hating left blog near you.

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    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:59:03 AM EST
    That's almost bad enough to have come from Sully.

    Wait on it and it will (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:02:03 AM EST
    Maybe already has.

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    It would really be too ironic for him, (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:05:01 AM EST
    not that he would care.

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    this is crazy (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Kathy on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:16:44 AM EST
    With a full camera crew and various folks who supply commercial shoots, someone actually went in there, folded the kid's pajama to read that way, then made the child stay in that exact same position while the director, camera man and their assistants locked in on a tight shot to film it, and there were no leaks to the press about it, and no one on the crew was outraged.

    All right.

    Does anyone want to buy a bridge?  It's in a great location and needs a little paint, but I can give you a really good deal on it.

    I'll give you a good deal (none / 0) (#8)
    by themomcat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:20:27 AM EST
    on the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge as long as you eliminate the $10 toll.

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    Frame by Frame Analysis (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by themomcat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:17:33 AM EST
    They had to have gone over the video frame by frame with a magnifying glass to find that. What is even more amazing, is that the allegation will be taken seriously by the media and the Hillary-Haters.  

    Truly mind blowing (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Lou Grinzo on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:25:09 AM EST
    As astonishing as this is, I sincerely hope everyone here never forgets, even for a moment, that the general election will be far worse once the Republican 501(c)4 groups get into the act.  Those are the (new?) groups that can take out partisan ads but don't have to reveal their sources of funding.

    Buckle your seat belts, kiddies, the roller coaster train is just leaving the station...

    "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Simplicissimus on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:34:46 AM EST
    Please, Big Tent, this is really too much.  "Clinton Derangement Syndrome"?  Ann Althouse as opinion leader in the Hillary unfriendly left?  This is just silly and combative and doesn't do your candidate any credit.  There are a lot of great things about Hillary, and a heck of a lot of reasons to support her.  But can we please cut the Rethug talking points like "derangement syndrome"?  (and somehow making the insane Althouse a representative of an "anti-Hillary" left)
    Also, and perhaps more disturbing, I see that from deletions here today and at other points that blog hygiene is being practiced here with frightening efficiency. But if the fire of insults is so worrisome for you, why do you insist on throwing around tendentious gasoline like your title?
    I look forward to the end of this primary season, when we can all turn our piss and vinegar towards the quarters that truly deserve it.

    I'm uncomfortable (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Nasarius on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:38:21 AM EST
    With the play off the original "Bush Derangement Syndrome" as well, but if any single political figure has been the victim of irrational, vicious hatred from the right, the left, and especially the media, it's Hillary Clinton.

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    It is an ironic usage (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:41:15 AM EST
    I am very comfortable with it.

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    An etymology lesson (none / 0) (#17)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:51:00 AM EST
    I'm pretty sure that the term "Bush Derangement Syndrome" stemmed from the past "(Bill) Clinton Derangement Syndrome" of the 90's.

    That was your public service etymology lesson for today ;-).

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    Did not know that (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:53:06 AM EST
    but it makes sense.

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    The Republicans have owned (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:00:02 AM EST
    political paranoia for some time now. With Bush, it was always rather trumped up--the media never had Bush Derangement Syndrome. With both Clintons, there was and is a real problem.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:36:04 AM EST
    No we can't. Have you been watching and reading anything for the past years?

    Your comment is funny as all heck.

    You do yourself no credit with it.

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    Houston Chronicle likes Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:09:52 AM EST
    Here's the endorsement.  I wonder if they read TalkLeft, since they're saying what many of us have already said.

    Link

    Teresa (none / 0) (#37)
    by auntmo on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 12:27:52 PM EST
    Bravo  to  the  Houston  Chronicle!

    Wasn't  sure  it  would  happen,   but  was   very proud of  them  when  I  read  this  in our  paper  this  morning.

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    i sense a top-of-the-rec-list (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Turkana on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:56:06 AM EST
    big orange obamatron diary.

    None so far (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:13:45 AM EST
    to the credit of the lair of the Big Orange Satan.

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    Next Round of the Syndrome (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by BDB on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:06:30 AM EST
    Can be found on Talking Points Memo.  Apparently when Clinton told 60 Minutes tonight that she didn't believe Obama was a Muslim, she just wasn't good enough.

    Via TPM, here are the quotes at issue

    "You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?" Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.
    "Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that," she replied.

    "You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not...a Muslim. You don't believe that he's...," Kroft said.

    "No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know," she said.

    "It's just scurrilous...?" Kroft inquired.

    "Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time," Clinton said.

    For those who may not see what the problem is, Clinton is being accused of hedging because she used the phrase "as far as I know."  Apparently, according to Josh this is "on the edge."  Now, of course, you'll remember it was incredibly unfair to suggest Obama was being sexist when he used the "periodically when Hillary is feeling down" line, that's just looking for trouble.  But when Clinton - 1) answered the question about whether Obama is a Muslim with "of course not" and 2) later compares the Muslim rumors to "smears" about her - she's on the edge.  WTF?  No, really, it's a good thing Josh didn't display this level of derangement before the US Attorney scandal or I'd have never believed him.

    Oh, and just so you know, this will be the Obama Fan Base Talking Points for Monday, March 3 - I've already seen at least one diary on it.  

    And, as I said in response to that diary, if you want to parse language, here's some language to parse about a real issue.  According to Barack Obama the decision regarding an abortion  "generally is one that a woman should make." (emphasis mine).  So, what's with the generally?

    No insults Josey (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:50:08 AM EST
    Your comment has been deleted.

    insulting? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Josey on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:15:45 AM EST
    Isn't Althouse an Obama supporter?
    Making a case for racism based on NIG on the child's pajamas, seems desperate to me.

     

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    Yes, Althouse voted for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Cream City on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 01:36:48 PM EST
    in the Wisconsin primary (absentee, I presume, as she is not in my fair state this year but on leave teaching elsewhere . . . whew) and posted on it. One of the few times recently that I read her blog -- as it used to be interesting but devolved into unreadability some time ago. She is, well, strange.

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    She ma y well be (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:19:01 AM EST
    But you can not refer to Obama supporters in that fashion. Not here.

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    OK (none / 0) (#34)
    by Josey on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:28:24 AM EST
    I wasn't aware of the new rules.


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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:38:45 AM EST
    They are fairly recent.

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    Do Obama supporters (none / 0) (#12)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:37:43 AM EST
    really want to be connected, no matter how tenuously with a lunatic like Althouse?

    Instead of chastising someone that presented another example of the hatred felt towards Hillary Clinton, how about directing that ire at Althouse and her ilk?

    They aren't (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:40:47 AM EST
    unless they run with this.

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    I see..... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Simplicissimus on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:43:54 AM EST
    So this is a case of preemptive blogging.  Now we criticize other for what they might do....but haven't yet. You are better than this Big Tent.

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    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:52:15 AM EST
    I criticized no one in particular but the track record of some blogs is there for all to see. You of course, seem to have never seen it.

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    Inuendo (none / 0) (#22)
    by Simplicissimus on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:14:03 AM EST
    I don't understand this.  How is it a virtue of your position that you don't or can't identify specific instances of specific people committing the specific injustice of which you speak.  Instead, you vaguely wave your hand at a wide swath of the blogging left and criticize them for something that you admit they haven't done.  
    As an Obama supporter, I freely admit and stipulate that we have more than our share of silliness over there. In other words, you've got plenty of things to be pissed about when it comes to this primary season, and plenty of material to work with.  You have a strong position (one that I don't agree with), so why do feel it necessary to make stuff up like this Althouse stuff.
    A FWIW, what I'm concerned with is what you have to say and the nature of your arguments, not what I imagine you know, what I think you've "seen", what I suspect you feel, etc, etc. Please do me the same courtesy.

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    I have been quite specific (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:18:16 AM EST
    at this blog. You apparently, just opened your computer for the first time in a year.

    Sorry, be please do not waste my time or yours shaking your finger at me. I do not appreciate it and frankly I will not accept it at this blog.

    I find your comments to be rather silly. I respect you enough to say so. You seem mystified by my post. Most readers of this blog do not share your confusion. I will not adjust my writing to placate your ignorance (meaning lack of knowledge, not lack of intellligence.)

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    Preemptive? (none / 0) (#26)
    by squeaky on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:24:19 AM EST
    What? The post does criticize AA.... (omg, a subliminal message here). Clinton hating is legendary from Obama cult sites. It will be hillarious (not a subliminal message) to see them run with AA's analysis (not a subliminal message)

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    Hopefully you can save Martin from (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:45:57 AM EST
    making his next regretful post.  Yesterday's posting about the Clinton's not being a "normal couple" was really really sad.  As a progressive I've worked very hard to expand my notions of what makes up a normal couple and I'm not back tracking just so I can write something I believe is supportive to the candidate of my choice.  I was shocked when a feminist friend pointed me to his post.

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    Martin can not be saved from himself (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:14:45 AM EST
    Funny what spurred the initial growth of the site - pie fight, as compared to the pooh poohing of sexism concerns now.

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    It's not the first time he's talked about (none / 0) (#36)
    by katiebird on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:53:41 AM EST
    them not being a normal couple.  He had a post where he quoted Bill saying that he & Hillary were still together because she's a sticker (I think that was the word.) The story sent a sort of romantic shiver down my back (I have a fear of middle-age divorce & like the fact that they saved their marriage.)

    But Martin was disgusted by the comment and thought it was abnormal.

    I almost wonder if he'd have more respect for Hillary if she'd divorced Bill.

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    Many would have liked her to divorce (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Cream City on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 01:41:35 PM EST
    Bill, as has been clear to me for some time. I even got called about it by my local paper at the time of the Lewinsky news, with a question that basically said "should she kick him out of the house?" I had to point out that, uh, their house was the White House, and we-the-voters put him there. . . . But I have heard, many times since, the argument that she should have left him -- and interestingly, it often comes from conservatives who go on and on about family values. And some of them, I happen to know, have had their own, similar difficulties but determined to stick it out and make a marriage work. Humans, especially Americans with our Puritan roots, never cease to amaze.

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    Well, I'm 42 (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 07:34:22 PM EST
    and I thought she should have divorced him when I was younger too but I'm maturing oddly.  I remember when I wished that my husband would just leave me alone.....find a hobby or something.  Now the shoe's on the other foot, his sex drive has become what I once wished it was but something seems to have happened to me now.  Chasing him around the house I am ;)  Sexual relations are but one part of a marriage and a coupleship among a laundry list of so many other connections that can be as equally important and fulfilling.  I wouldn't give my husband up these days for anything in the world.  He's my best friend, he loves strong women, loves Jack Nicholson's ad for Hillary and probably would have called Tina Fey and thanked her for the skit if idiots had been on my back for months.  I married him though because he gets it ;)

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    How is media (none / 0) (#27)
    by Bob In Pacifica on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:35:44 AM EST
    being harsh on Clinton if they let host SNL the weekend before her make/break Texas and Ohio primaries?

    Or is this NBC's makeup for David Shuster?

    I see that Clinton has fallen behind Obama by four points in Texas, trending in the wrong direction, and Ohio is statistically a dead heat now when her lead was approaching twenty points a month ago. Maybe she should have continued campaigning instead of going the SNL route. If I recall, two weeks ago Texas was supposed to be a firewall. Does anyone think this appearance is going to turn things around in the primaries? Get the young vote motivated? Convince the seniors to turn out in droves?

    As far as "NIG" I read "Goodnight Moon" to my kid plenty of times without the thought coming to me. Still, propaganda is a subtle thing. Maybe people who are afraid of phone calls in the middle of the night are afraid of black people too. Phone calls in the middle of the night just annoy me. But then maybe sleeping is just another Kumbaya moment.

    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:40:58 AM EST
    I imagine you think of SNL as a Media news organization.

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    She was not the host (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Cream City on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 01:42:47 PM EST
    and you're showing your ignorance in saying so -- and btw, Obama did a spot on SNL first, last fall.

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    Going on SNL is campaigning (none / 0) (#33)
    by diplomatic on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 11:19:25 AM EST


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    I think they knew (none / 0) (#41)
    by Lora on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 05:07:07 PM EST
    If you notice that the part of the letter G that makes it a "G" and not a "C" is in shadow, that may have been on purpose to avoid having the N-I-G combination legibly appear.

    Frankly, I find it hard to believe that a seasoned ad creator/editor would not have paid attention to the letters. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I bet they noticed it and edited it slightly to get rid of the potentially inflammatory combination.

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