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Thousands of WA Mail-in Primary Ballots Tossed

Almost 17,500 Washington voters in the state's primary (not caucuses) will not have their ballots counted. Why? Because they didn't follow the rules -- prominently stated in red on their ballots -- to declare themselves either a Republican or a Democrat.

Nearly one in four King County voters who mailed in their ballots did not identify themselves as Democrat or Republican, nullifying their votes in the presidential primary.

The elections office Friday called it a combination of protest and error. Some voters do not want to publicly declare a political party, even though their vote remains secret. Other voters might not know their votes will not be counted unless they choose a party.

It won't matter in terms of delegates. As Big Tent Democrat wrote earlier, the delegates in Washington are picked from the caucus results today, not next week's primary.

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    I am not going to restart an old fight (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:38:50 PM EST
    but this Washington contest is the biggest travesty of this campaign.

    I think the FL MI situation comes close (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:04:10 PM EST
    Not in terms of people voting (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:13:05 PM EST
    I disagree with Dean's decision - I think he should have halved the delegates - but this is worse to me because voters have been ignored -= they voted in a referendum for primaries, the politicos insisted on a caucus, but they keep this utter deceptive primary on the schedule leading to massive voter disenfranchisement.

    It STILL burns me up that Obama supporters like Kid Oakland who were sanctimonious and self righteous about "voter rights" do not have the simple decency and honesty to at least admit that this is a travesty.It is not Obama's fault. I do not hold it against him. It is NOt about that.

    The TINS and KOs of the world give REAL concerns about voting rights because of their dishonest behavior.

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    TINS has zero credibility (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by andgarden on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:18:46 PM EST
    so far as I'm concerned.

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    Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, (none / 0) (#10)
    by RalphB on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:52:40 PM EST
    it does!  This mess seriously needs to be changed.  Doing away with all caususes and forcing all primaries would be a good start.


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    Would the Dem. powers that be (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:04:19 PM EST
    ever support one national Dem. primary date with consistent rules for each state primary?  

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    It got worse with the Obama robocalls (none / 0) (#12)
    by Cream City on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:06:26 PM EST
    this week in Washington State, saying that the caucus was tomorrow instead of today.

    I imagine those were calls to Obama supporters -- but I haven't seen clarification of that.

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    You Know Of Course (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:38:11 PM EST
    if these were Clinton robocalls it would be all over the web that she was once again trying to steal the election.

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    Actually it would make more sense if the Obama (none / 0) (#14)
    by RalphB on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:33:15 PM EST
    camp was Robo-calling Clinton supporters with bad information on the caucus.  That happened to Democrats in a couple of states in '04 from Republican operatives for the general election.

    I absolutely cannot verify this but I read online a post from someone who was supposedly at their WA caucus and the delegate split was 4-1 for Obama while the people present were 17 for Obama and 6 for Clinton.

    23 people apportioned 5 state delegates?

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    Democracy At Work (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:44:57 PM EST
    Seems the Democratic Party's emphasis this year is in seeing just how many voters that they can disenfranchise.

    It's the Butterfly Ballot All Over Again (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by cdalygo on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 05:21:52 PM EST
    You know it sure seems that way (i.e. seeking to disenfranchise the voters).

    But honestly sometimes it's just complete incompetence. Remember the butterfly ballot? Who couldn't have seen that would be a problem (especially with an older population accustomed to voting certain ways)?

    Though I suppose after Florida we should be examining intent more deeply. Between LA's ballots - and I'm a Hillary supporter - and this fiasco it's looking a lot less like negligence.

    We need national elections - on the same day for each state - and with the same procedures. Sheesh. How hard can it be?

    (Oh that's right -- a lot less prestige for local pols and a lot less money for political consultants)

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    what a giify process (none / 0) (#2)
    by wasabi on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:40:08 PM EST
    They have a caucus and then a primary?  Seems kinda odd to me.

    If you have the courage, read BTD's (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:51:55 PM EST
    post about this today.  Courage is required for the comments, not the post.  

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    A similar problem in L.A. County on (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 03:54:49 PM EST
    Super Tues. re Dem. primary.  Apparently some voters received ballots requiring them to first fill in the bubble  to show they were voting Dem., then fill in the bubble for their candidate.  Hope my absentee ballott 9CA but no LA County) didn't have that first requir.  If so, I missed it! But L.A. County Registrar of Voters is having the ballots with nothing filled in under party eyeballed for voter intent.

    well heck, why dont we (none / 0) (#6)
    by athyrio on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 04:08:28 PM EST
    just go ahead and appoint a king and get it over this...this is the biggest travesty of justice I have ever heard of....Shame Shame Shame...

    i guess i'm still at the point (none / 0) (#16)
    by cpinva on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 06:54:04 PM EST
    of wondering what purpose the primary serves, if the delegates are all chosen at the caucus?

    Rendered no purpose (none / 0) (#19)
    by hookfan on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 08:50:57 PM EST
    except by state law they had to have one. The voters through initiative voted for one, so it must be held. the Democratic state party elected to have a caucus and screw the people's chosen means of voting. So now we get the added expense of useless ballots that people think have meaning, but won't matter in the least. It will be interesting to see the difference in caucus results, and primary results.
     Its even worse when you consider that in the general mail in voting is huge. Now I predict huge confusion on the voters part if they will actually have to physically show at voting booths for votes to count. And I'm waiting for the lovely explaination from the dimwits who decided this why mail in counts in one but not the other. The Democratic party is likely to be sorry for this in the fall. Watch voter turnout decline due to voter confusion and anger.

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    This Is Why I Am "Non-Affiliated" (none / 0) (#17)
    by OldPara on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 07:01:52 PM EST
    Washington state's Democratic caucus/primary "mess" is a first-class example of why I dropped my Democratic registration and became "non-affiliated" last year. The party's Byzantine rules have driven me out & I am seriously considering a vote for McCain. At least the Republican party does things in a visible, straight-forward manner.

    I'm also an independent (none / 0) (#18)
    by RalphB on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 08:01:30 PM EST
    though in TX it doesn't really matter  :-)  I'm also giving serious consideration to splitting my ticket and voting for McCain.

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