David Shuster's Offensive Remark: Chelsea Clinton Being "Pimped"

By Big Tent Democrat

We all know NBC is the Obama Broadcasting Company but this is ridiculous:

An apology from Shuster is in order. Immediately.

[Update TL: Shuster suspended. This thread's closing, please comment further at new one. Thanks.]

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    Jesus (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:23:43 PM EST
    Shuster is a good guy. I can't believe he said that.

    Well, no, he's not a good guy (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:31:07 PM EST
    because he said this.

    Maybe he was a formerly good guy.  More likely, he just seemed to be a good guy, formerly.  Now we can see what he really is.


    Or a good guy.... (1.00 / 1) (#104)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:34:02 AM EST
    who made a bad choice of words.  It happens.

    "Pimpin'" has become common street slang, and can simply mean putting somebody to work for you.  Mike Huckabee is pimpin' Chuck Norris, McCain is pimpin' Rudy, Obama is pimpin' Oprah.  

    Everybody is so sensitive these days...I swear, some people wake up everyday looking for a reason to get offended.


    Nonsense. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Cream City on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:59:09 AM EST
    First, common street slang can stay in the streets, not on what purportedly is a news show on a major network that uses the public airwaves.  

    Second, you are ignoring the societal connotations of the term -- and the fact that the term was not used for all those others you list above.

    By your definition, it's okay then to say you're pimping your sister, your mother, your daughter?  And did you ask them?


    I wouldn't send..... (none / 0) (#124)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:44:16 AM EST
    my sister or my moms out on the street to raise money for me...so no, I wouldn't say I'm pimpin' them.  If I did, I could and I might.  

    Besides, it would take a lot more than that to offend my moms or my sister...they aren't thin-skinned, they're NY tough.


    it's not ok! it isn't polite in conversation (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:59:52 AM EST
    with friends, busines associates and most certainly not on national television. it is a way of shaming her. i am not a prude and have a few tough words in my vocabulary, but i know what is acceptable and what isn't. i imagine that our would be pundit does also. the question would be who at msnbc is pushing obama.

    Jeez.... (none / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:19:41 AM EST
    I said it was a bad choice of words, especially for a network broadcast.  He has apologized.  Personally, I don't mind street slang on the news, but that's just me, I'm a street guy.

    I know you guys are especially offended because it's directed at your candidate's campaign....but there is truth in the statement whether you like it or not.  I mean can you deny that they all pimp and they all whore?  Be offended that they singled out your candidate if you must, but don't deny there is a whole lot of pimpin' in politics.



    Can you deny (3.00 / 2) (#121)
    by lilburro on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:09:10 AM EST
    that "pimp" and "whore" are both terms that have an incredibly long history of being derogatory to women?  However you want to call the compromising that goes on in politics, there are definitely better words to choose.  

    Bad choice of words..... (none / 0) (#125)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:55:43 AM EST
    no argument there.  

    Nobody likes to be called a whore or being told they are being pimped...but it can be true.  I'm whoring myself for my boss right now...and you could say he's pimpin' me.  I haven't offended myself with this observation.  Has anyone even asked Chelsea if she was offended?  I'd bet she's laughing it off with her mom right now....

    "We are all whores in our own way, Mr. Finkelstein."

    - Gram Gram, Beerfest

    kdog, i enjoy your posts. (none / 0) (#119)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:40:11 AM EST
    and i am one for the most part who agrees with say what you think. but i have to tell you due to the degree of clinton hate and the inexcusable sexism all the while bending over backward not to be racist by the media is not acceptable. keep posting! you make me think and laugh.

    TY hellothere.... (none / 0) (#120)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:59:41 AM EST
    No doubt there is sexism alive and well in politics and the media and every other part of life...racism, agism, and every other "ism" too.  

    Yet I think there are a lot of people who bend over backwards to find the "ism's", and make mountains out of molehills.  

    It's a beautiful thing that we are this close to having a woman or a black man be president (though I'd prefer a different woman or black man)...but we can't start walking on egg shells because of it.  I don't want sexism or racism to become such a hot-button that people hold back legit criticism for fear of being labelled sexist or racist.

    In a nutshell....we are all a little too thin skinned, and people go looking for offense with a little too much zeal, imo.



    thanks, kdog! tgif! have a nice weekend! (none / 0) (#123)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:35:15 AM EST
    I'm with you kdog, (none / 0) (#126)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:33:04 PM EST
    the comment was dumb, but it does seem like there are way too many peeps these days looking for offense as though there is a reward for it.

    PS: To any baby chickens who might be offended by the term "peeps," get over it.


    Speaking on behalf of baby chickens, (none / 0) (#127)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:37:57 PM EST
    who, afterall, as far as we humans know, cannot speak for themselves, "peeps" is aa term used to minimalize our contribution to society.  Here we are, all crowded into these cages, feet can't even reach the floor, dreaming of being free range, or range free, whatever.  We demand respect.  Retraction please.

    I didn't know you were in PETA oc..... (none / 0) (#134)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:22:26 PM EST
    you're not gonna be picketing Shea when Pedro starts are ya?  

    Just need to know if I need to afford myself more travel time to get my seat...:)


    Add.... (none / 0) (#106)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:43:09 AM EST
    While the military industrial complex pimps Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Huckabee.

    Or maybe (none / 0) (#138)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:42:22 PM EST
    he's like Barack Obama, a bad guy who's made a good choice of words.

    he has disappointed me lately (5.00 / 0) (#128)
    by Jgarza on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:58:21 PM EST
    about both candidates, there have been a few times when it looked like the Washington press corps and him were being petty.

    This is just the latest in my list.


    Schuster (5.00 / 0) (#136)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:39:42 PM EST
    So, are you saying the Clintons made it up and he didn't say that? I think a lot of people in this country need to start paying attention to what is being said and done in politics and stop giving bad people a pass just because that person is supporting the candidate of your choice.

    Let's keep the pimp theme going (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Kathy on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:28:52 PM EST
    as in--"she wants to be there."

    Yeah, just like all the sex workers on the street "want" to be there because they love having sex with strange men for money.

    I am absolutely livid.  This may be what you guys have been waiting for all night, but I have to go chill somewhere and just be quiet and not think about this or I am going to go apesh*t crazy.  

    Absolutely inexcusable and disgusting.  Just disgusting.

    Because Chelsea is an effective campaigner (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by felizarte on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:46:19 PM EST
    for her mother so they want to demonize her just like they have done to her father and mother.  Signs of desperation indeed.  They probably thought they could sink Hillary by Super Tuesday.  Not having succeeded, they train their malice at anyone who proves to be an asset to Hillary.  I am beginning to suspect that these men are actually scare of Hillary because she is a very capable woman.  And they still have not figured out how to get under her skin.

    I think that Hillary should have her best revenge by WINNING!


    Exactly (5.00 / 0) (#143)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:52:40 PM EST
     I have broken with the DNC over their efforts to "shut up Bill Clinton" and force him off the campaign trail. Is that democracy? Is that what we've been fighting Republicans for 40 years for? To have our own party dictate the candidate and take away our rights to vote for our own president?

    What point? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:37:16 PM EST
    That a daughter is campaigning for her mother? Only irrational bias could make one think that this is actually a point.

    Are you arguing you have never seen a family memmber campaign for a candidate?

    Frankl,y nothing could more easily proof irrational bias than this.

    That he used offensive language to make this "point" demonstrates that Shuster is not that good a guy.

    Not following you (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:44:20 PM EST
    What sane person could possibly think THAT was an issue?

    It is either stupidity, insanity or irrational bias.

    I vote number 3. How about you?


    What logic? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:48:27 PM EST
    Warped or otherwise?

    This is idiotic, insane and biased all in one.

    Seriously, this qualifies as the worst performance by a reporter this year. That is saying something.

    I am informed that he has been complaining about this all week. The man is a buffoon then.


    What side do you see for Shuster? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:56:16 PM EST
    The side that ignores the children of candidates campaigning for their parents ALWAYS?

    Heck, in this campaign, if you missed all the previous ones, the Romney sons.

    This is just a real indication of the incredible bias of NBC.

    Let no one deny it now.


    I gather you hold a major network (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:22:20 PM EST
    on air person to the same or higher standard you hold a campaign surrogate.  I'm thinking "shuck and jive" comment by Andrew Cuomo.  

    If directed at me (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:24:17 PM EST
    then you are badly mistaken.

    I ripped the crap out of Cuomo for that.


    As I ripped Bill Clinton (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:25:36 PM EST
    for his Jesse Jackson remark.

    As I ripped Bob Johnson for his drugs remarks about Obama.

    That is the difference between me and the Obama Cultists.

    I have not lost my sense of decency.


    Yes, you did. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:29:37 PM EST
    My outrage is still on the Rezko issue, so I'm trying to deconstruct this post.  Obviously Shuster is applying, even w/o the word "pimp" a different standard to Chelsea Clinton's efforts on behalf of her Mom than to other kids of candidates who hit the campaign trail.  If Shuster used a different term, it would be Hillary hate.  Using the term he did adds another layer, impugning the character of a  27-year old female.  

    He probably regrets the word he used but he (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:44:36 PM EST
    really believes what his point is. I'm with BTD here. I thought Gore's and Kerry's daughters were huge assets to their campaigns. His deal with this is just weird.

    Seriously (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:46:55 PM EST
    It is just insane. You say he has been talking about this all week?

    My gawd, he is off his rocker.


    Shuster (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:55:15 PM EST
    has been really good on Iraq and Plame/Libby. But you're right, this is just unacceptable.

    Well, I've seen it twice so don't go by what (none / 0) (#29)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:55:24 PM EST
    I say. The first time was Monday night on his special pre-Super Tuesday show. He asked Gray Davis about it and when Davis laughed and told him those delegates are politicians and used to being lobbied Shuster didn't agree. After Davis was off the air he said it remains to be seen how others will feel about it. My paraphrase but he definitely has a bug up his butt about it. That's when he mentioned either a candidate's daughter or President's daughter, or both. I couldn't swear an oath which he said but he said one of them for sure.

    Didn't Cheney's daughter campaign for him? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:08:35 PM EST
    Gray Davis laughed at him when he (none / 0) (#10)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:40:41 PM EST
    brought it up to him on Monday.

    Then Gray Davis should apologize, too (nt) (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:33:26 PM EST
    No, he was laughing AT Shuster not with him. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:38:23 PM EST
    He though Shuster was being stupid. He didn't say she was being pimped that night, just that it seemed wrong to him.

    davis should have put him in his place when it (5.00 / 0) (#114)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:05:24 AM EST
    first left his mouth i think is the point.

    Not good enough (nt) (none / 0) (#67)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:57:27 PM EST
    another case of "well he really meant (none / 0) (#115)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:06:43 AM EST
    something else." no thanks! you said, you darn well own it.

    If It Had Been Said of Malia or Sasha Obama... (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by xjt on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:02:00 PM EST
    If Obama had a daughter that was working for him, and a white newscaster said she was being "pimped out" how long would that newscaster have a job?

    Oh that's right. There are double standards. Racism is not acceptable, but sexism rocks!

    imagine if, (none / 0) (#132)
    by delandjim on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:17:27 PM EST
    Just imagine if the press had referred to the Bush twins as being pimped out.
    They actively campaigned for 'W' in '04.

    BTD, I give up. The Obama posters on DK (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:03:26 PM EST
    are not only defending him, they agree with him. I need an electrical shock in my chair to go off on my rear every time I check that place.

    You just figured that out? (5.00 / 4) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:06:08 PM EST
    the daily kos community is a wasteland.

    And the fault lies with people like Adam B. and Geekesque who support that type of drivel.

    They deserve all the condemnation we heap on them.


    Can you imagine if Shuster had said this (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:12:46 PM EST
    about Michelle Obama? I would be livid. What hypocrites.

    I've just been at DKos and almost (none / 0) (#40)
    by byteb on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:17:01 PM EST
    everyone is disgusted with Schuster and calling him names that aren't allowed here.

    Oh really? (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:20:20 PM EST
    How come I doubt you?

    There was 70 some odd comments (none / 0) (#44)
    by byteb on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:24:56 PM EST
    when I left and maybe five were not decrying what Schuster said.
    Don't call me a liar. Take a look and see before becoming so righteous. That was uncalled for.

    You are wrong (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:29:16 PM EST
    On ALL counts. I did not casll you a liar.

    I KNIOW you are seeing the REACTION threw the lens of of an Obama supporter.

    The fact there there are only 70 comments is the condemnation. This should be a cause celebre.

    This should be at the top of the recommended list.

    But for the Obama supporters at daily kos, it is ignored BECAUSE it is a rip of the Clintons.

    The Daily Kos community is disgusting. Simply disgusting. And you are too blinded by candidate love not to see that.

    You are not a liar. You are blinded by your candidate support.

    I am thoroughly disgusted with the dkos community when something like this can not be seen through the lens of decency.


    I just read the comment thread (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:30:53 PM EST
    and it is full of disgusting people.  No, of course it's not unanimous in defense of Shuster, but it shouldn't even be close.

    See this comment (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:37:19 PM EST

    This person is the toast of Obamaville.

    But this type of bigotry is nothing new for that person. They wrote a racist diary that waas ALSO the toast of Obamaville.

    Just disgusting. And shame on you for defending it.


    And the other toast of Obamaville was right (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:41:01 PM EST
    there with him in that other diary. Initials of IBS so J. doesn't get mad at me.

    That poster 's ability to recommend (none / 0) (#62)
    by byteb on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:48:32 PM EST
    diaries has been suspended by the administration b/c that poster has been such a toad during the primaries. He is not a respected poster at Dkos not even in "Obamaville" and his comment tonight was not representative of the majority of the posts.

    That speaks well for the Admins (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:51:20 PM EST
    but not the DKos community which is what I am talking about.

    And frankly it speaks ill of you. You should reply to his comment and condmen his remarks.

    Just as the Obama community should have condmened his racist diary instead of putting it on the rec list, which it did.

    The dkos community is simply disgusting.


    The place is falling apart (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:56:23 PM EST
    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Steve M on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:11:10 AM EST
    The amazing part of that diary is where the diarist says he will forgive everyone who troll-rated his tip jar.  How magnanimous.

    I did reply to his comment. (none / 0) (#70)
    by byteb on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:04:06 AM EST
    I told him him was wrong. Go check..but no..why bother..it's easier to condemn me without looking or checking..because I'm an Obama supporter and not worthy of the effort. I Also made a few comments in that diary expressing how I felt. I also recommended the diary before Teresa even posted. I never read his idiotic diary you referred to and I have no idea what he wrote or even that he wrote it. But it does not matter because it's irrelevant to you..no matter what I did or didn't do will not remove the stereotype you seem intent on fixing on me: Mindless, Unthinking Obama Cultist.
    You're completely out of line in your response to what I wrote. In my opinion, you are wrong and you overreacted. And since my temper is easily equal to your own, it's better if we end this conversation now.

    I don't think andgarden was referring to (none / 0) (#76)
    by Teresa on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:13:20 AM EST
    you byteb, just to that site. You are one of the good ones from either side.

    The issue is closed (none / 0) (#83)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:21:39 AM EST
    as per Jeralyn's wishes.

    I believe in community responsibility and accountability. I leave it at that.


    Saw Your Comment - Good For You n/t (none / 0) (#86)
    by MO Blue on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:27:21 AM EST
    ohh please (none / 0) (#130)
    by Jgarza on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:08:16 PM EST
    this coming from the web site who's comments are filled with blatant insults thrown at Obama.  You still have posters who swear Jesse Jackson thing was cosher.
    Does that speak ill of talk left?

    You guys have stricter rules, yet you still have that kind of trash? does that say something about your online community?

    One of your posters used a gay slur and got high ratings.

    so because you found one offensive person at dkos, to use that to insult an entire group is going to leave you in a precarious position.


    byteb is partly right. There are more (none / 0) (#56)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:35:55 PM EST
    comments now and they are mad at Shuster. Except for byteb, though, they are almost all Clinton supporters. You are right...if he said it about MO, this would be the top rec'd diary

    byteb is absolutely worng (none / 0) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:38:03 PM EST
    thanks teresa for trying to be fair. (none / 0) (#71)
    by byteb on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:05:32 AM EST
    I appreciate it. night.

    Same (none / 0) (#145)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:58:01 PM EST
    with C &n L and HuffPo. You just get crazy if you look at those sites, how biased they are for Obama.

    ya know these guys seem (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by athyrio on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:03:56 PM EST
    to feel pretty safe talking like this so their corporate bosses must like it....I still feel the republican corporate world is scared to death of a president Hillary Clinton and that is funny...

    Of Course They Feel Safe (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:27:45 AM EST
    They feel safe because not only does the corporate/Clinton hating media find nothing offensive in anything whatsoever that is said about the Clintons there is also a ho-hum response from much of the left side of the blogosphere that seem to hate the Clintons with the same kind of fervor.

    Any respect I had for the likes of Schuster and Olbermann is gone because they are no more capable of fairness than FOX or the Right Wing Talking heads on the radio.

    I stopped listening to Air America Radio long ago when it became apparent they were Air Obama too. I don't need pundits or radio or cable "news" to tell me what to think. I can do that quite nicely by myself, thank you. What I want and need is for all of the above to just give me the facts and to report things in a fair and balanced manner.

    MSNBC was always tilted towards the dimwitted what with having Tweety and Tucker the Misogynist Twins but Schuster just entered Limbaugh country with that remark.



    Yes, (none / 0) (#139)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:44:42 PM EST
    what you are saying about this election is the thing that has killed my last hope for a good government in this country. We will end up with Obama. Either McCain will trounce him and we'll have another Republican or if Obama get in we'll have another puppet president, another MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.

    Absolutely disgusting (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:25:58 PM EST
    Talking trash about Chelsea should be left to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and John McCain.  Very few media outrages prompt me to actually lodge a complaint, but this one sure did.

    NOW is the time to bring back Bill! (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:29:14 PM EST
    The outraged father.  I would be outraged to hear anyone use this term about my daughter.  (I can't BELIEVE a couple of the posters on this thread trying to say What Shuster Really Meant.)

    And Obama ought to speak up about how media ought to treat all candidates' daughters.  And all candidates, in both parties, ought to speak up about how media ought to treat all candidates' children.

    That is what I'd like to see -- and then see how MSNBC likes bipartisan unity . . . by outraged parents who happen to be politicians.

    If.... (5.00 / 0) (#140)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:45:31 PM EST
     Bill said one word about it, Obama would say he was criticizing him and making racist remarks.

    TPM has an article (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:50:10 PM EST
    about how Emily's List is using Chris Matthews' mysogeny(sp) to raise money for Hillary Clinton.

    Link to TPM's article

    So instead of sending a complaint email down the black hole of MSNBC, I wrote to Emily's List, calling their attention to Shuster so they can use his words for fundraising too.

    MSNBC, just keep up your good work and we'll make Hillary loads of money...

    I ventured to the big orange wasteland and I actually didn't think the DailyKos comments were too bad on this one...although I've learned to ignore specific idiots so maybe I didn't see what BTD saw.

    Yes, the Hillary-hatred is downright scary.

    Just an opinion, but looking at this from (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:01:20 AM EST
    the viewpoint of a mother with adult daughters, I think perhaps dads may be a bit more infuriated about this than moms, or the daughters themselves.  After all, Chelsea Clinton grew up in the White House, was just starting Stanford when Monicagate borke, yet she chose to campaign for her mother.  I'm sure she considered there would be some cruel, sexist words flung at her.  Perhaps Cream City's suggestion that Bill Clinton take care of it is a good one.  Or Chelsea Clinton, for that matter.  That would be terrific, actually.

    I am certainly (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Steve M on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:10:39 AM EST
    more outraged because I have a daughter of my own.

    I do not expect Bill to make a public issue out of this because he would be thrusting his daughter into the spotlight by doing so.


    I'd say let Chelsea Clinton handle it. (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:14:36 AM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#79)
    by Steve M on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:17:33 AM EST
    It doesn't seem like Chelsea would be the type to make an issue of it, either.  She surely must have a thick skin by now.

    I suspect the outraged Clinton supporters will make enough of an issue out of it that it won't matter.


    Chelsea Clinton handling it may mean (none / 0) (#82)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:21:36 AM EST
    she makes a decision to ignore Shuster's remarks.    Or not.  Her call.  

    It's better if viewers call Shuster on this (none / 0) (#91)
    by jawbone on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:43:55 AM EST
    MSNBC's cohort doesn't care what Hill or Bill or Chlesea think--and they would try to make hay out of anything any of the Clintons said.  Perhaps a campaign spokesperson could chide MSNBC, but, again, then it becomes he said/they said.

    Much better if viewers tell them how egregious this manner of speaking is and hold them accountable.


    Nothing is stopping viewers from contacting (none / 0) (#92)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:46:41 AM EST
    the network or whomever.  Good idea.

    Teresa2, they are almost all Clinton (none / 0) (#65)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:54:26 PM EST
    supporters except byteb. Every single recommender of the diary is a Clinton supporter except byteb if my memory is correct.

    Yeah, I looked again (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:58:48 PM EST
    and it wasn't bad.  However, again, if this had been MO, this would have been front paged.

    )(#*)(_+_+(!!!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by echinopsia on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:33:37 AM EST
    I certainly don't think he meant it in a derrogratory way-

    Oh how I wish we could swear on this blog.

    What possible non-derogatory way is there to say this or take this?

    This is utterly despicable. This is as bad as Rush Limbaugh or Don Imus at their worst.

    What kind of a waste of carbon could say such a thing on national television, about not only someone he's never probably met, but someone who has certainly never deserved this kind of treatment?

    Forget an apology. I want him fired, then taken out and pimped.

    MSNBC CONTACT INFORMATION (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by jawbone on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:48:40 AM EST
    Mr. Phil Griffin,
    Senior Vice President, News
    NBC Television Network
    30 Rockefeller Plz
    New York, NY 10112

    Steve Capus,
    President, NBC News

    30 Rockefeller Plz
    3rd Fl
    New York, NY 10112
    (212) 664-4444

    (from MediaMatters)

    thanks so much! (none / 0) (#111)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:00:55 AM EST
    i looked especially for countdown. i wonder why they make it so hard.

    MSNBC CONTACT INFORMATION (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by jawbone on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:52:06 AM EST
    Mr. Phil Griffin,
    Senior Vice President, News
    NBC Television Network
    30 Rockefeller Plz
    New York, NY 10112

    Steve Capus,
    President, NBC News

    30 Rockefeller Plz
    3rd Fl
    New York, NY 10112
    (212) 664-4444

    (from Media Matters)

    Didn't mean "pimp" in a derogatory way? (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:34:35 AM EST
    Excuse me for asking, but what other way can you use the word pimp? I've never heard it used positively or neutrally.

    Chelsea (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by loro on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:52:24 AM EST
    I think we should all write to MSNBC and demand
    that David Shuster be suspended - exactly the
    way people reacted to Imus.  They showed us the
    way --  Why is it that any remark that Bill
    Clinton makes is distorted by MSNBC to be racist
    and, yet, the most blatant, sexist remark can be
    made toward the Clintons and is ignored.  Shuster certainly did not make the same remark toward Caroline Kennedy.  I have stopped watching MSNBC
    because this kind of thing goes on from 6:00 a.m.
    and all day and evening.  Perhaps it has something
    to do with the meeting Obama had with Jack Welch
    not long ago.  Chris Matthews was the one who
    first brought race into the campaign.  The night
    of the NH primary he was so upset with Hillary's
    win that he said the polls were wrong because of
    the Bradley Effect - and Jesse Jackson, Jr. followed up the next day and then it steam-rolled.
    Hillary is only going to win if her supporters
    realize they have to fight for her.

    Finally Wolfson to MSNBC Drop Dead (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Salt on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:24:23 PM EST

    ABOUT TIME....

    Hillar's canceling the debate they had agreed to and should Ruasserts silly balls are intended not to inform but inflame.  An I also agree with Wolfson that this Pro Obama theme is something the station may be directing, least we forget they are owned by GE and Hillary voted against their Energy interest unlike O.

    The way to fight back--and fight fire with fire (5.00 / 0) (#149)
    by lily15 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:16:55 PM EST
    If you are outraged...donate money to Clinton...
    HillaryClinton.com   The best way to have an impact is to donate money to her campaign...the higher her numbers...the more we blunt the bullsh*t of Obama's fundraising prowess,and  the stronger we look.

    We need to to channel the backlash and the outrage and direct it into something positive...Giving money also gives power...gives her the power to push back...the power to get her message out..the power to organize--the power to defeat these sexist forces...Donate today...$25.00 if fine...anything...if you can do $100.00 great. The way I see it...two glasses of wine for two can cost  $25.00  or a trip to McDonalds for 4... When I get mad, I fight back.  We all need to fight back with our credit cards.  

    In this context (3.00 / 2) (#14)
    by athyrio on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:43:58 PM EST
    what does this say about Caroline Kennedy who is also a former presidents daughter....

    Frankly (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:45:38 PM EST
    It has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever seen. WTF is Shuster talking about?

    What about Romney's sons (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by felizarte on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:52:48 PM EST
    who were all out campaigning for their dad?  Are they being pimped too?  Edwards had her daughter out sometimes. I agree with BTD:  it was a very stupid thing to say.

    Not Stupid..Deliberate (none / 0) (#146)
    by lily15 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:58:03 PM EST
    By the way...does "the One" make any statement about this?  No way.  The uniter loves division.  He has divided the Democratic party.  And he could care less about sexism...so silence from him.  He's not only NOT a leader...he's a loser with no principles whatsoever.  He goes along to get along.  

    We need to have someone post the advertisers of the MSNBC programs.  Advertisers are usually much more sensitive to these things...because they sell to everybody..Imus was removed when the advertisers abandoned ship...it was not the network...it was the advertisers who booted him.  So let's let the advertisers on board...we need email addresses...and a sending this virul with the emails and phone numbers of the advertisers.  This hits them with their biggest consumers...women. Sexism is not what works for them.


    To get an idea of how wrong this is, imagine (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by ding7777 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:38:47 AM EST
    Shuster saying Obama is "pimping out" Michelle.

    um turning this around (1.00 / 0) (#129)
    by Jgarza on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:59:57 PM EST
    to insult Caroline Kennedy is as shameful as him saying it, about Chelsea.

    a low one for you


    No one (none / 0) (#141)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:48:50 PM EST
    said that about Caroline Kennedy, the person said "What if?"

    For that matter Obama used his girls in his "victory speech" but he said they didn't want to come on stage, they were upstairs quote: "doin' what de do." Oh great, we're going to have a gangsta president. He can tell foreign heads of state that the American people are "doin' what de do."


    Good point there athyrio (none / 0) (#18)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:45:44 PM EST
    Dalton compares Chelsea campaigning to a showhorse (3.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Prabhata on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:12:21 AM EST
    Chelsea, now 27 years old, went Stanford University and Oxford and has worked since 2003 making good money.  Dalton, you think she is a showhorse, but that's because you're a jackass.

    Your comment seems uncalled for to me. (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:17:58 AM EST
    there must be some unloaded term to use, and I think that is what Dalton was trying to do.  You, on the other hand, . . .

    shuster just apologized on MSBC (1.00 / 3) (#101)
    by georgeg1011 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:35:50 AM EST
    when will Billary apologize for all the scum that they have flung.

    What are you talking about? (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 09:33:05 AM EST
    And don't you know that using a term like "Billary" is far more insulting to the person that uses it than it is to the Senator from New York, and her husband, a very popular former Democratic President?

    Using such terms is really quite childish.

    And what the dickens does Schuster insulting Chelsea Clinton have to do with the Clintons apologizing? Does your hate run so deep that you cannot, will not let any subject arise without attempting to use it to attack the Clintons?


    Right-wing term (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Cream City on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:00:01 AM EST
    Take it to Redstate.  It doesn't belong here, in a blog that promotes civil discourse.

    george, you need to pipe down (none / 0) (#112)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:02:32 AM EST
    and learn some blog manners.

    I ffalsely attributed this comment (none / 0) (#116)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:12:42 AM EST
    to a different commenter here.  

    People (none / 0) (#142)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:50:46 PM EST
    who accuse the Clintons of slinging scum and using the race card make themselves look totally stupid because everyone who knows the history of the Clintons knows they would never be racist and they have been attacked for 20 years, anything they say is a defense against a swift boat attack, but you people will find out too late that BO is another George W. Bush and Karl Rove all rolled into one.

    Take your Billary and shove it (none / 0) (#147)
    by lily15 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:59:49 PM EST
    Better yet...take your typing fingers to Redstate or Townhall, where you belong.

    He's been on this kick all week but I thought (none / 0) (#4)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:32:58 PM EST
    they were joking in the other thread that he actually said that.

    No Teresa I wasnt joking LOL (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by athyrio on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:41:47 PM EST
    Don't Think He Meant This: (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:36:11 PM EST
    Urban Dictionary: pimped
    1. To utterly destroy your competition
    1. To be way tight and decked out in expensive stuff.

    2. Dude, you just got pimped.
    3. Man that Escalade is totally pimped out! Look at those rims.

    Do you?

    Not the right context (none / 0) (#99)
    by mexboy on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:05:04 AM EST
    pimping someone is selling them for sex. i.e. I'm gonna pimp you out!
    Pimping an object is the definition you have given above!

    The reason you would destroy a competitor by telling them they've been pimped  would be that they've been  denigrated by comparing them to a common whore. In a misogynist and patriarchal society like ours, that is a low blow.

    so Chelsea being pimped out would be selling her as a common whore for a benefit.
    I know the language is harsh, but it is street and street is what it is.


    Absolutely Shocking! (none / 0) (#6)
    by felizarte on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:36:15 PM EST
    At the very least, that network should suspend him and require him to make an apology before reinstatement.  What has gotten to these people?! This is definitely crossing all lines of decency for any individual to say, let alone a broadcast personality.  Awful!  How do we get a petition going online?

    He actually thinks there is something wrong for (none / 0) (#7)
    by Teresa on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:36:29 PM EST
    a candidate's and former President's daughter to do this. I don't see the difference in who is lobbying them. They are all politicians and used to it. It really bugs him for some reason.

    I think KO's and Shuster's fan clubs have gone to their heads. (and I was a big fan but they are losing me)

    Is he insane? (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:38:51 PM EST
    How about a nephew? Did he never see George P. Bush campaign for his uncle?

    That is a load of crap. That is merely the manifestation of irrational bias.

    It is Tweetyism at its lowest.


    Not to Mention (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by BDB on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:25:24 PM EST
    The Clintons were absolutely crazed about protecting Chelsea's privacy when she was a minor.  She was almost never seen on the campaign trail.  Remember that poll in 1992 where most people didn't even know the Clintons had a child?   And early on in this campaign there was a joke that everyone wanted to hear her speak because they'd seen her photo, but had never heard her say anything.  

    I can see some folks having a problem with minor children being used on a campaign trail as props (I don't think that's occurred with  the Obamas), but why on earth is there any issue about an adult woman campaigning for her mother?

    This stems from a couple of things - the press is angry that they aren't getting access to Chelsea and, of course, the usual Clinton hatred.  Because Hillary Clinton's daughter wouldn't want to campaign for the cold frigid witch that is her mother, she must be being forced to.  Ugh!


    When Clinton's mother was on the (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:32:50 PM EST
    campaign trail, was that pimping for her daughter?

    Or is this only reserved for young women, not 88-year-olds?  (Past 40, women are invisible. . . .)


    Is McCain "pimping" his mother? (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by jawbone on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:32:30 AM EST
    Sheesh--Every campaign has family members around--and sometimes they're female.

    To use that loaded word is astonishing.

    What was he thinking?


    it appears to be reserved for the clintons. (none / 0) (#113)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:04:26 AM EST
    Holy ! (none / 0) (#24)
    by phat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:49:06 PM EST
    I just met this woman this afternoon.

    She's one of the brightest people I've ever met and you couldn't find a better advocate for her mother. Obama had this big rock concert going on up the road in Omaha and Chelsea took questions and answered them in depth for two hours.

    The contrast between the two campaigns couldn't be different.

    I know one guy who says this, after the Obama rally,

    College credit in exchange for civil servant? Amazing ideas. His ideas resound with me.

    And now I see Shuster do this?

    I'm ready to hit something.


    College credit (5.00 / 0) (#144)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:57:08 PM EST
    in exchange for civil service? Obama? That has always been the Clinton's idea.

    They fired Imus and this is no better! (none / 0) (#25)
    by RalphB on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:50:24 PM EST

    They fired Imus, who is now back on the (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:05:52 PM EST

    anyone have an email address for msnbc? (none / 0) (#34)
    by hellothere on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:05:19 PM EST
    i tried to get countdown's but couldn't find it. from the video it looked like shuster was on tucker's show.

    yes he was filling in for Tucker when (none / 0) (#37)
    by athyrio on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:07:50 PM EST
    he said that

    Shuster (none / 0) (#51)
    by 1Watt on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:30:00 PM EST
    Pls post a contact to Shuster, what the hell is this igit doing.  What about Mitt's 5 military aged boys not serving, what about the tequila twits?

    Does Shuster's network have an (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:45:00 PM EST
    ombudsperson or public editor?  

    Please Stop (none / 0) (#74)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:12:13 AM EST
    Can we stop bashing the Daily Kos community? It's not in the spirit of TalkLeft and I am a fan of Markos and his site.

    I must respectfully disagree (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:19:57 AM EST
    that the daily kos community means Markos.

    This behavior from Shuster is worthy of the highest level of condemnation.

    It is not receiving it.

    I have the greatest respect for Markos and the FPers at daily kos. I do not respect the daily kos community and will not pretend that I respect the stony silence that this outrage from Shuster is receiving from that community.

    Of course this is your site and your wishes will be abided by. But this is not nothing. And I disagree with your respect for that community. My view is exactly the opposite.

    My final word on the subject.


    Have you spent much time (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:25:06 AM EST
    at KOS lately?  If not, spend a little time there.  BTW: BTD was the first to use the Wasteland meme.

    And people have complained to KOS about how things are going, and his reaction was if you don't like it, there ar plenty of other sites.

    It's not a nice place AT ALL if you aren't into Obamamania.  It's a mob scene.  And the powers that be don't care.  Some even feed it.

    Go here: MyDD diary link.  Scroll down and search for "redwine".  You'll see a number of posts from expatriots of the orange who basically sum up the fact that they have been "scared away" by the goings on at the orange.

    The feelings are justified.

    If you like MarKos, maybe it would be a favor to him if you'd tell him about all the badmouthing from people who've had to leave.  Because I have a feeling that the expatriots are the ones he wants around once Obamafever is gone.


    BTW: I wasn't "tattling on BTD (none / 0) (#87)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:27:26 AM EST
    Just mentioning that a respected member of your front page also calls DK a wasteland.

    Be that as it may (none / 0) (#88)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:28:33 AM EST
    The rule has been established.

    It applies to me too.

    No more about this.


    Sorry Jeralyn. I think I started that with my (none / 0) (#78)
    by Teresa on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:16:23 AM EST
    post. I won't do it again. It's just frustrating but you're right, it belongs over there, not here.

    Jeralyn, this is your site and you make the (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:24:17 AM EST
    rules.  But, are you reading the diaries and comments at DK these days?  My opinion:  enforce a "no slam of DK" rule, but, on the other hand, don't commend those diaries and comments either.  I'm hoping susang's new position will help there.  

    Suggestion: Capture the Video in some way? (none / 0) (#94)
    by jawbone on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:49:49 AM EST
    I don't know how, now if it can be done. But won't MSNBC probably take down this video soon?

    Yes there is (none / 0) (#96)
    by Nowonmai on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:28:55 AM EST
    And I have.

    Geeks Rule.  ;)


    The fact that.... (none / 0) (#97)
    by ctrenta on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:06:26 AM EST

    ... he laughs after his own question is telling. It's one of those many reasons why people continue to lose faith in journalists.

    are you serious? (none / 0) (#98)
    by mexboy on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:55:31 AM EST
    Don't make excuses for for the man, let him clarify what he said.
    In plain English, pimping=whoring!
    So what he literally said is that they are selling Chelsea as a WHORE!
    Beautiful, just beautiful!

    well, i' ve had my daily fix of talk left. (none / 0) (#117)
    by hellothere on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 10:16:56 AM EST
    time to settle down with a good cup of coffee and go to work in my home office.

    i sent marie coco an email last night thanking her for an article she wrote on clinton. i received a rather odd response. she said it is a difficult time for clinton and the democrats and clinton needs to win states fast. upon considering her comment, i think she meant win more delegates and shut this primary downn.

    Shuster to offer an apology today (none / 0) (#122)
    by KevinMc on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 11:30:49 AM EST
    David Shuster is going to offer an apology for his remark today on the Tucker Carlson Show.  Too little too late IMHO

    Shuster To Offer Apology

    Seriously (none / 0) (#137)
    by tek on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:41:09 PM EST
    if I were the Clintons I'd go to one of all the other countries in the world where they are highly respected and popular and leave America to the mess it's going to keep devolving into. I just wish I could go with them.

    Comments closing, new thread (none / 0) (#148)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:00:31 PM EST
    on this topic and Shuster's suspension here.