Hillary and Obama: Difference in Tone

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:11:38 AM EST
Tags: Tsunami Tuesday, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama (all tags)

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The AP reports:

At a rally in Chicago, Obama delivered a swipe at Clinton, telling supporters the race was between him and a candidate who accepts money from "special interests in Washington."

During her speech tonight to supporters in New York, Clinton struck a different tone, congratulating Obama on his victories.

"I look forward to our campaigns and our debates about how to leave this country better for the next generation," she told supporters who cheered her.

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Their advisors also presented different pictures of Tuesday's results:

"We feel like we've had a good night, but this contest is far from over," Clinton's chief strategist Mark Penn told reporters tonight.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe countered: "We're having an outstanding night. We're ahead currently in the number of states won ... and we think the delegates are very close."

That must have been before the California results came in.

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I think he's not uniting the right people. (5.00 / 3) (#1)
by Teresa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:22:31 AM EST

It's starting to really bother me.

Florida? (5.00 / 3) (#3)
by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:32:06 AM EST

Now Florida and Michigan don't count, but North Dakota, now that was a win.

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Alaska (none / 0) (#10)
by ghost2 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:15:59 AM EST

How many people voted there??

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: 400 was the total i saw (none / 0) (#30)
by english teacher on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:13:51 AM EST

for democrats.

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Re: (5.00 / 4) (#2)
by Steve M on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:27:02 AM EST

Obama keeps repeating his lie that Hillary supports the Bush-Cheney foreign policy of not talking to leaders we don't like.

I know that every distortion by Clinton is the end of the world, while every distortion by Obama is magically justified or simply not a distortion at all, but at some point people are going to realize the "different kind of politics" is just a slogan.

: His repetitive references (none / 0) (#9)
by standingup on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:13:16 AM EST

to lobbyists as a contrast with Clinton is growing old too. I'd rather have a candidate be transparent in what they are receiving from lobbyist than one who has changed the appearances of how lobbyists are contributing in the middle of a presidential exploration or primary. Can we get past the hypocrisy?

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Per Obama's campaign mgr.: (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by oculus on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:47:20 AM EST

"She has ceiling issues, and the people who aren't for her we think are very available to us," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters Tuesday.

From AP.

Question: Jeffers on MSNBC (none / 0) (#5)
by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 01:58:23 AM EST

He said that Obama won the Red States, the states we don't win. Does the Obama campaign contend that he can win the Red States from the Republicans? So what is the advantage?

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jesus (none / 0) (#8)
by english teacher on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:13:13 AM EST

he won democratic primaries in those states for crying out loud.

to extrapolate from that that he will carry those states in the general election is just plain dumb!

but, they have to justify keeping him around somehow. they don't want to put the obama cash cow out to pasture just yet.

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Exactly... (none / 0) (#12)
by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:18:24 AM EST

So, I don't get it. We need the base. The base is the big states.

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overall (none / 0) (#14)
by english teacher on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:21:44 AM EST

though the turnout numbers are impressive for democrats.

what i am seeing is a clinton landslide in november.

and i think that's why all the focus is on obama.

because if we had an honest media, the headline tomorrow would be "clinton wins in landslide".

but alas, we don't have an honest media and they are doing every thing they can to slow her down.

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: Too true. (none / 0) (#26)
by tek on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:53:42 AM EST

I was half scared to look at the coverage because after the way the media is touting Obama and shutting out Hillary I thought it was possible he would have a landslide. When I saw that she won NY, NJ, Arkansas, and a few others, I felt great. The Obamanians were claiming that he'd out-polled her in New York and New Jersey. Lies, all lies. They said the same about CA, but that was another lie.

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The suggestion was ... (none / 0) (#16)
by cymro on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:23:15 AM EST

that the Obama campaign would argue that these wins meant that he could unite these voters who traditionally did not vote for Democrats. But what if Democrats are a significant minority in those states?

Bottom line: being able to defeat Hillary in red states is irrelevant. This is a PRIMARY election, not a General Election. The purpose is to pick a candidate who can beat Republicans.

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the obama camp (none / 0) (#17)
by english teacher on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:26:30 AM EST

sure is serving up a lot of red herring these days!

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Right (none / 0) (#18)
by Virginian on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:18:52 AM EST

A HUGE difference between the primary and the GE

Primary: Dems voting in Redstates

They are suggesting that the above equates to

GE: Redstates voting for Dems...

Logical fallacy...but the media pushed that idea all last night, as well as the Obama campaign

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Red states (none / 0) (#20)
by Grey on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:24:53 AM EST

Not to mention that Clinton won red states last ngiht, too, and by rather wide margins. Both Clinton and Obama can make the case for November, but I'm willing to bet my house we're only going to hear about Obama's magical ways.

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: right, there were a few states that will certainly (none / 0) (#29)
by english teacher on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:11:05 AM EST

turn blue. obama barely won two, and hillary walked away in three.
Missouri and Georgia were about 50/50 dems v. repugs.
Alabama was close with an edge to repugs.
Tennessee, Arkansas, and Oklahoma were overwhelmingly democratic and overwhelmingly for Hillary.
MO, GA, TN, AR, and OK had roughly equivalent higher democratic turnout yesterday but went for bush in '00 and '04.
so that is very good news.

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If.... (none / 0) (#28)
by tek on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:56:06 AM EST

that's what he's saying, it's very sad and dishonest. Obama is winning in states where all the white people (the majority population) are Republican. He's getting the Democratic vote that is AA (just like SC). In these states, he doesn't even get the white Democrat vote for the most part, so how could he win?

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well (none / 0) (#25)
by tek on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:50:55 AM EST

their totally wrong about that. He has as many "ceiling issues" as she does, or is he not black?

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Angry TPM reader, front page..read more (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:07:55 AM EST

You guys have lost your friggin minds since Josh decided on Olberman that Obama's Iraq comment was something more than it was. There's been nothing but crap Zogby polls and spin keeping this guy a float. Look at the exit and entrance polls! The guy hasn't managed to break out of his key demographics AT ALL. Whoa he got more of the White vote in CA which he lost handily. He seems to be able to win every caucus and lose every election. Too bad we don't caucus to elect a president.

link fix (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:20:43 AM EST

TPM

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Got a link? n/t (none / 0) (#7)
by cymro on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:10:07 AM EST

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lots of people (none / 0) (#11)
by ghost2 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:17:35 AM EST

I want to hug tonight!!

This guy rocks!!

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Yep, he sums it up. (none / 0) (#15)
by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:22:12 AM EST

Jeffers was great on MSNBC, he brought up the Asian vote, wow, no one talked about that all evening.

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: I was happy CNN (none / 0) (#19)
by Virginian on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:20:57 AM EST

reneged on its Begala ban...someone had to counterbalance Bernstein's BS and Rowland's overt Obama water carrying....

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well at least josh gave it a prominent place. (none / 0) (#32)
by hellothere on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:19:57 AM EST

oh kos, you'd just be drown out.

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Tone (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Grey on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:26:18 AM EST

Obama's tone was negative and divisive. Clinton's was gracious.

But Obama is the uniter, right?

I cannot believe this (5.00 / 2) (#22)
by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:45:23 AM EST

I woke up at 2 to see California called for Clinton, and then I couldn't go back to sleep because I was tossing and turning, wondering how they would spin this into a bad thing, and then I turned the TV back on around 3 and saw a reporter saying to an Obama supporter and a Clinton supporter, "But these numbers prove how divisive Hillary Clinton is." The Clinton supporter said, "But, she's not divisive. She's winning the vote all over the place and winning the delega-" and the reporter shushed her, cutting her off.

And now this morning I see that he won more states is the lead story. Yeah, 17,000 people in ND and 300 people in Alaska are bigger than millions in CA, NY, NJ and MA.

I am just sickened. That saying--everything a man does a woman does in heels and backwards--is sounding so freakin' apt right now.

Does anyone know where I can find contact email addresses and phone numbers for all the media outlets? I am going to do a campaign today and rail against the machine.

: Kathy (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by PlayInPeoria on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:23:52 AM EST

I love your quote....

That saying--everything a man does a woman does in heels and backwards--is sounding so freakin' apt right now.
When Ginger Rogers was asked who was the better dancer ... her or Fred... that was her answer. When my husband and I were dance instructores... I used the quote on my business cards.
That speaks so much about how far women still have to go to NOT be a shadow of men. When Hillary finally took WJC out of the way... she still has to focus on getting the acknowledgement for her own accomplishments against the media men and some women.
As a women, I will not let the media cram a candidate down my throat. Since both candidates have the same basic idealology... I'm going for the women. I believe that this is going to be a problem for the Obama camp.

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: Check Media Matters for MCM contact info (none / 0) (#35)
by jawbone on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:34:19 AM EST

They may not have everyone in one place, but try there.
I know I've seen lisitngs for various outrages among the MCMers, but can't recall where.
MCM=Mainstream Corporate Media
MCMer=member of MCM

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Time to Send HRC Some Love (5.00 / 2) (#33)
by xjt on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:29:08 AM EST

in the form of cash. I't would be more fun to spend it on Amazon, but she's got to catch up. She did great, and at the risk of sounding corny I am very proud of her.

Once again, (none / 0) (#24)
by tek on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:49:19 AM EST

petty and puling. I really hope this night is the end of him because I don't want to listen to four more years of whining.

: No relief in sight (none / 0) (#36)
by vigkat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:59:29 AM EST

We're now being told by MSNBC that the race is a "dead heat," and that Obama won the real "battleground" states, e.g., Colorado and Missouri. The lasting impression: Obama's going to win this one. They're really trying to make that shoe fit. I'm not buying.

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You dont appear to be objective (none / 0) (#27)
by northcoaster on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:53:50 AM EST

Jeralyn - you always seem to be dumping on Obama and you take his comments in their most negative light. Obama is not perfect, none of them are, but he is correct to identify that Washington politics is in the pockets of the special interests and their lobbyists.

This situation blocks any progressive message and progress. Obama has some connections to some special interests - but Hillary appears to be almost ties to them at her hip. Obama might not be able to get past the special interests to accomplish his goals but I think he has a more legitimate chance than Hillary at doing so. Why do you ignore her ties to big money (and Bill's friendship with Bush Sr.? )

: The Obama Is Just A Little Bit Pregnant Argument (none / 0) (#34)
by MO Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:30:50 AM EST

Obama's ties to special interests = good
Clinton's ties to special interests = bad

Three of Obama's top fundraisers, who each have raised more than $50,000 for his campaign since January, were registered as lobbyists last year, according to reports filed with the Senate Office of Public Records. In 2006, Alan Solomont of Solomont Bailis Ventures earned $90,000 in lobbying income; Tom Reed, of Kirkland & Ellis, lobbied for the Seismological Society of America, the Nanobusiness Alliance, and the Airport Minority Advisory Council; and Scott Harris, of Harris, Wiltshire & Grannis, represented Cisco Systems, Microsoft, Dell and Sprint-Nextel.
All three Obama fundraisers have said they are no longer lobbyists, although the public records office has not posted contract termination reports for any of them.
...
Frank Clark, chairman of Commonwealth Edison, helped lead a $2.2 million congressional effort on nuclear research and waste disposalin 2000, according to a report under his name filed with the Senate. He also raised more than $50,000 for Obama this year. He played an important part trying to persuade state lawmakers to deregulate the energy industry in Illinois.
...
avid Heller and Bruce Heyman are big Obama fundraisers and managing directors at Goldman Sachs. Last year, Goldman Sachs spent $3.3 million on lobbying. The company hired firms such as DLA Piper, Rich Feuer Group, and the Duberstein Group to influence lawmakers.
...
James Dinan, the founder and CEO of York Capital Management, is another Obama bundler. His company hired Dutko Worldwide to lobby on asbestos issues in 2005 and 2006. The Hill

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well the media and obama supporters can (none / 0) (#31)
by hellothere on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:16:03 AM EST

play naive and fantasize, but it doesn't cover the fact he isn't going anywhere. and i for one am darn glad about that. we don't need another feel good president without a clue.

guess what? it's hard work being president. of course i know you can't prove that by george bush.

Help! I can't find the AP article link-- (none / 0) (#37)
by jawbone on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:01:54 AM EST

AmI looking in all the wrong places?

Thnx.

I Thought Different (none / 0) (#38)
by LetMeDoIt90 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:00:59 PM EST

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