home

The Delegate Count

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:40:31 PM EST
Tags: (all tags)
Share This: Digg! StumbleUpon del.icio.us reddit reddit

By Big Tent Democrat

Previously, I have been relying on Chris Bowers to provide you the delegate counts. I have no inclination nor access to the data that would allow me to figure it out. But some news reports have given me pause. For example, this evening the AP reports:

Clinton led with 784 Super Tuesday delegates to Obama's 758. In Missouri, the race was so close the two candidates split the state's 72 delegates evenly.

Overall, Clinton has 1,045 delegates, to 960 for Obama with 2,025 delegates required to claim the nomination in Denver at this summer's convention.

Similarly, CNN has Clinton ahead. At this point, I will just leave all these links and let you folks figure it out. I simply do not know.

< The Obama Broadcasting Company (NBC) | Gallup Poll: Hillary Ahead and Rising >

  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


    • Display: Sort:
    The Delegate Count | 16 comments (16 topical)

    Readers Must Login or Create an Account to Comment

    Nobody knows (none / 0) (#1)
    by Coldblue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:48:48 PM EST
    I'm not sure either of the campaigns have a hard number to go with at this stage.

    I'm not sure either, but the places I've looked (none / 0) (#4)
    by derridog on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:05:57 PM EST
    for this info, like googling AP Democratic Delegates, etc.  seem to be adding in the Superdelegates to Hillary's total.

    Tell me if I'm wrong.

    Parent

    could some of my senior lady friends (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:56:53 PM EST
    tell me if this is what menopause feels like?

    I read one thread and I'm flushed and furious and ready to scream, and then I read another one like this one and I feel calm and serene and willing to go on.

    Naw... (none / 0) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:26:58 PM EST
    Serene come when the menopause is gone.

    Parent
    I'd say you're right in the middle of it. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Angel on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:12:20 PM EST


    Parent
    No. This is what politics feels like. With (none / 0) (#3)
    by derridog on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:04:39 PM EST
    menopause you skip the calm and serene feeling.

    WOW THIS IS GREAT (none / 0) (#8)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:30:08 PM EST
    Hillary is raising money like crazy.....she has so far blown past three million in a few hours and has now raised the goal to 7 million in 72 hours.....YOU GO GIRL!!!!!

    MyDD (none / 0) (#9)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:38:26 PM EST
    showing same trend.  Folks calling friends, getting people to send in as much as they can.  We are the little engine that could!

    Meanwhile, copied this off a blog on the media from a MyDD diary:

    "Also Larry Johnson at No Quarter blog is reporting that he knows of several articles that are damaging to Obama that the press is sitting on right now. I have no idea what they are about but maybe someone here does."


    Parent

    CNN (none / 0) (#10)
    by auntmo on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:10:23 AM EST
    Here's  the latest   delegate  count  from  CNN:

    Clinton   823
    Obama  741

    And  that  doesn't  include  the  delegates  from   Clinton's  huge  Florida  win  that both  Clinton and Obama  have  promised  to support  reinstating  at  the   convention.  

    I   heard   Lou  Dobbs  say  she's  winning  the popular  vote, too.  

    BS (none / 0) (#12)
    by kid oakland on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:25:45 AM EST
    Clinton agreed like all the candidates about the rules regarding FL and MI.

    Clinton broke those rules by leaving her name on the ballot in MI.

    There is no way a candidate for president will roll over and "give away" his supporters in FL and MI.

    In MI they had NO CHANCE to vote for Obama.
    In FL they were told for months their vote would not count.

    You aren't going to disenfranchise Obama voters and reward Clinton for breaking the rules. Nope.

    Parent

    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Steve M on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:40:16 AM EST
    I think there are probably sites on the Internet you can tell tales like that one and get people to believe you.  I don't think this is one of them.

    Parent
    That's not a tall tale (none / 0) (#14)
    by andreww on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:46:01 AM EST
    It's the way it's viewed by Obama supporters.  Obama hasn't lost a single state with the margins Hillary "won" in FL with.  At a minimum the delegate count would have been very close - maybe a separation of a dozen or so.

    As I've said many a time, if Hillary wins the nomination due to MI or FL I'll vote for the green party.  

    Parent

    The truth is what works at this site (none / 0) (#15)
    by Cream City on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:54:54 AM EST
    so take your stuff about Clinton breaking rules back to DKos.  You are smart enough to know that she did not break any rules, and that Obama and Edwards also were not required under the rules to remove their names from the ballot.

    You also must know well about the pro-Obama campaign and ads there for "uncommitted" voters to keep in reserve, if MI counted.  You also must know well about the Obama ads into Florida, although advertising was against the rules.  Etc., etc.

    You shame your candidate with your claims.

    Parent

    Here's your problem (none / 0) (#17)
    by kid oakland on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:47:54 AM EST
    Clinton violates the pledge when she campaigns to convert MI and FL into "pledged delegate" primaries. They weren't. And she signed to that effect:

    WHEREAS, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar.

    Now, Clinton kept her name on the MI ballot and declared victory.

    Clinton went to Florida and held a fake victory event over a contest that she had agreed won her no delegates and implying that these delegates were pledged. That is campaigning; that is against the pledge.

    The pledge is clear. The public perception of what it meant will be clear.

       

    I will not campaign or participate.

    Is pretty clear.

    The pledge's goal was to bring predicatibility and common sense to the calender, ensure diversity and to persuade MI and FL to observe the rules. The pledge states clearly that the DNC will strip states of their delegates if they hold primaries. All four candidates and the states were aware of this ahead of time. Clinton signed to this and clearly has violated it in spririt and deed.

    Clinton should focus on winning pledged delegates. Her supporters should focus on helping her do so. Y'all did fine on Tueday.

    The candidate with the most pledged delegates won, will, at the end of the day, have the strongest case to super delegates to be the nominee.

    The sequence getting us to a fair nomination is clear:

    a) Win pledged delegates by persuading voters
    b) Win super delegates by demonstrating that you have won the pledged delegate primaries. (non MI/FL)
    c) Go to the credentials committee with a nominee and come up with a reasonable way to accomodate FL and MI and respect the rules.

    Violating that sequence as Clinton is doing is bad for the Democratic party.

    A candidate who can only generate a "lead" by violating a pledge she made which clearly does not give her one and which relies on "wins" in states where no one campaigned and where in MI Clinton was the only name on the ballot...will have a hard time persuading some very critical people: the press, donors, party loyalists and super delegates...especially if she does not have a lead in pledged delegates.

    Clinton does not.

    Finally, if Clinton tries to win this "back room" by making a legalistic ploy for MI and FL after the fact she has every reason to expect that a MoveOn type online movement will oppose that by fundrainsing and petitioning and moving people to side against her.


    Parent

    Deferring judgment to AP? (none / 0) (#11)
    by kid oakland on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 01:21:50 AM EST
    Hey, that's worked out really well for us in the past, why not in 2008?

    The AP is counting Super Delegates...which can change...and creates a false premise.

    Including Super Delegates in the total after millions of Democrats cast a vote and the results of that voting favors Obama is misleading and bad politics.

    Obama won the delegate race on Super Tuesday. When all the votes are finally tallied  he may have won the popular vote as well.

    That should be our stance.

    Take CA.

    Clinton will win CA, but the margin will certainly not be as large as it stands right now.  Alameda County, for example, has been listed at the exact same total for 24 hours.  That total will change as large numbers of absentee and provisional ballots cast on election day are counted.

    It's a delegate battle. Remember that. Voters are still being counted and even a small change in a CD with an even number of delegates...ie. in a CD where Clinton wins 3 of 4 delegates can turn an Obama "loss" in to a delegate tie even with Obama at 33% of the vote.

    Obama had more "big wins" and that yields more delegates.  MN and Colorado are huge stories that are not receiving enough attention in my view.

    This is speculation (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:54:58 AM EST
    Unlike you, I do not deal in that for hard facts.

    I do not know and neither do you. And neither does Chris and neither does AP.

    Nobody knows.

    Parent

    The Delegate Count | 16 comments (16 topical)

    Readers Must Login or Create an Account to Comment