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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:50:23 PM EST
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Obama will be the first woman President:

Obama supporter Megan Beyer, wife of former Virginia lieutenant governor Donald S. Beyer said "[i]n many ways, he really will be the first woman president[.]"

Um, oookaaay.

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    Geepers (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:54:39 PM EST
    I knew he was a diety, but not a hermaphrodite.

    Trying to make up for the McClurkin (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:23:25 PM EST
    decision.  But then I read he didn't want his photo taken with the mayor of SF.  

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    Hermaphrodite? (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:38:20 PM EST
    Sounds like what the republican men call Hillary. Goose and Gander strikes again.

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    Transcends race (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by cannondaddy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:00:21 PM EST
    and gender.  Literally.

    and tranforms (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:01:43 PM EST


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    Comment of the day! (nt) (none / 0) (#9)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:00 PM EST


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    Obama Fans Love Rightwing Talking Points (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:05:46 PM EST
    Wow, does no one in the Obama camp understand the political history of the last 20 years?  Time and time again, the Republicans have weakened male democratic candidates by feminizing them.  It has been a nasty business and is closely related to the misogynist crap being thrown at Hillary Clinton.

    While it's also incredibly offensive because the Obama campaign has already done so much to try to minimize the historic nature of Clinton's candidacy (so now we don't need her, because we have him), it potentially does way more harm to Obama than Clinton.  Republicans love running - and winning - against the girly men.  Or perhaps Obama and his folks don't realize that's part of how Reagan became a transformative president, by hijacking masculine symbols.

    You seem to imply (none / 0) (#8)
    by Tano on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:09:44 PM EST
    that this comment was intentially put out by the Obama camp.

    I find that highly unlikely. I agree it is moronic and damaging. I really doubt the campaign is that stupid.

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    Turnabout Is Fair Play (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:13:30 PM EST
    I'm generally in the camp that campaigns are not responsible for their supporters' comments.  However, the Obama campaign and its supporters have decided that Clinton is responsible for what every single one of her supporters says even when she denounces them or distances herself from them.  So, based on the Obama folks' standards, he is absolutely responsible for these comments.  Just as Hillary was responsible for Bob Kerry's comments.  What's good for the gander is good for the goose.

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    I think we are seeing (none / 0) (#21)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:16:12 PM EST
    the arrogance of someone who thinks they are winning.

    God, I find this so freakin' disgusting.

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    oh, ok then, you were just lying (none / 0) (#27)
    by Tano on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:26:42 PM EST
    you dont really mean what you say.
    Thanks for clarifying.

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    Not Lying (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:31:20 PM EST
    Applying the rules that Obama's campaign has established for this race.  That they aren't the rules I would establish is irrelevant.  The rules have been established by Obama, the Obama Fan Base, and the Media.  And so I follow them.

    Under those rules, the Obama campaign is claiming that he will be the first woman president.  Now, if he'd care to distance himself from these remarks or this particular supporter, I'll rethink my position.  Which under the rules as I understand them means that I will say that I'm satisfied while my fan base continues to cite to these statements as proof of Obama's ugly campaign tactics.

    If Obama doesn't like these rules, he shouldn't have created them.

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    here is an idea (none / 0) (#35)
    by Tano on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:39:27 PM EST
    why dont you apply your own rules to what you write?

    And then we can judge you by your rules.

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    Calm down (none / 0) (#43)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:47:27 PM EST


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    Take it easy (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:36:13 PM EST
    None of that please.

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    Wow, now things are getting totally (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:03 PM EST
    stupid.  Time to do something constructive and worthwhile like wash a toilet or some fruit of the looms!  I can only handle the no substance world for so long.

    Another political spouse who ought to be (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:10:48 PM EST
    seen and not heard.  Quite a few of them lately.

    Heh, and sometimes it's even Bill (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:20:45 PM EST


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    that was a dumb thing to say (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by andreww on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:12:33 PM EST
    especially since he's running against an actual woman.  The First black president comment would never have been made about Bill in a primary if he was running against an African American.

    boy oh boy....

    ugh (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:15:04 PM EST
    I find this disgusting on so many levels.  She can't even be a woman on her own anymore?  He has to hijack that, too?

    Y'all had better be glad there is no cursing on this site, because I would be making a nun blush right now.

    he? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by mindfulmission on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:16:20 PM EST
    Please point out who the "he" is that you are referring to.  Because I don't see a "he" saying anything in this post.

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    how about I just point my middle finger at you (none / 0) (#28)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:27:32 PM EST
    Do you think you can figure out who I am talking about then?

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    Now, now, Kathy. (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:56:52 PM EST


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    what the... ? (none / 0) (#68)
    by mindfulmission on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:47:27 PM EST
    Why the heck did I deserve that?

    Stay classy...

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    Sorry about that (none / 0) (#71)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:50:58 PM EST


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    Stop it now (none / 0) (#70)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:50:36 PM EST
    Do that again and you can take the rest of the day off from this site.

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    Terminator Girl ;) (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:18:32 PM EST


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    HE has to hijack? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Tano on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:37:47 PM EST
    I thought it was a woman who said that....????

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    No, it was a lotus eater (none / 0) (#36)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:39:40 PM EST
    This is the kind of stuff people in a state of biss say.

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    bliss (none / 0) (#38)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:39:54 PM EST


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    Stellaaa (none / 0) (#45)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:48:41 PM EST
    I thought for sure it was a "p" you were missing.

    Maybe I am just too furious to see straight.

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    well..it's about the bliss (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:52:13 PM EST
    One of my pet peeves is the white, upper class California liberal. It's all about the bliss. They really are alien beings. It's about them and how they feel. Axelrod is brilliant, he is playing them like a violin. You should here the stuff I hear from them. Would make your skin crawl.

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    wow (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Tano on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:18:26 PM EST
    its all about the politics of division, eh?

    So now we should be hating on some group of reliable democratic voters?

    And, would you care to wager against the fact that a nice solid majority of the white, upper class California liberal women are Hillary supporters?

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    What a pathetic (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by IndependantThinker on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:15:49 PM EST
    attempt to get women voters. LOL!

    well this is (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:32:14 PM EST
    latest Gallop tracking poll

    Gallup Poll Daily tracking conducted Feb. 3-5 now includes three consecutive days in which Clinton has done well, giving her a 13-percentage point lead over Barack Obama, 52% to 39%.

    Why Not? (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:39:41 PM EST
    So far he has been FDR, MLK, JFK, RFK, and Reagan. Why shouldn't become Margaret Thatcher too?

    You forgot (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by zyx on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:33:36 PM EST
    Obama is Abe Lincoln--an inexperienced guy from Illinois who is obviously going to be the Greatest President Ever.

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    You're Right (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:49:56 PM EST
    How could I forget good old Abe? They were both tall too. That should count for something.

    We should have contests.

    "How many famous people has Obama compared himself to and name them."

    "Which famous person will he become next?"

    "Which famous person is Obama portraying now?"

    What fun.

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    Aha, WORM-BE! (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Cream City on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:37:35 PM EST
    Who Obama Really Means to Be.

    Today.

    Stay tuned.

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    No, (none / 0) (#40)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:40:28 PM EST
    they call Hillary that, Margaret Thathcer the war monger.

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    Well If They Can Share The Distinction (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:43:23 PM EST
    of being the first woman with the opportunity to become president, they can IMO share the Margaret Thatcher label too.

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    LOL! (none / 0) (#50)
    by IndependantThinker on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:57:27 PM EST
    So funny . . .

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    Because Bill (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:53:29 PM EST
    Was the first 'black' president?

    Thanks for the light side (none / 0) (#4)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:01:27 PM EST
    I needed this.

    Ha (none / 0) (#7)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:08:48 PM EST
    At this rate, if Obama wins the Presidency, he'll be the first woman president and the second black one.
    slightly OT (none / 0) (#12)
    by TheRealFrank on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:11:01 PM EST
    Speaking of "huh?": today's Gallup tracking poll has Clinton 52, Obama 39. They say that Clinton had 3 very good nights in a row.

    That's strange. Especially since the popular vote of the states that voted yesterday went to Clinton by a small margin.

    Tracking polls are strange.

    This is so funny. (none / 0) (#13)
    by lilburro on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:12:20 PM EST
    :D

    I think Obama shouldnt (none / 0) (#15)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:12:57 PM EST
    be taking my vote for granted and keeping up these talking points for the GOP...Not smart...

    I think that remark is insulting to women (none / 0) (#17)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:14:00 PM EST


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    Come on... (none / 0) (#19)
    by mindfulmission on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:15:20 PM EST
    ... Obama didn't say this.  And you know it.

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    Back to the "surrogate" not a (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:40:18 PM EST
    surrogate distinctions.

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    So, will HRC win VA now? (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:26:38 PM EST


    don't I wish (none / 0) (#31)
    by cdo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:32:29 PM EST


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    So I guess (none / 0) (#32)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:32:44 PM EST
    Someone explain, if Obama is surging and full of Mo, is that thanks to Bill's marginalization? Dang, wish he had marginalized Hillary.

    I think the press (none / 0) (#44)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:47:38 PM EST
    is doing a good job of marginalizing her on their own.

    Then again, it used to be that you had to troll pretty long and hard to find a story on the net about Hillary and the nastiness of the press.  There were at least three or four stories today about it.  I take that as a good sign.

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    He missed (none / 0) (#41)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:42:52 PM EST
    out on being the first black president, so he has to be a first in some way.

    what is amazing to me (none / 0) (#46)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:52:02 PM EST
    is the new members of the party plus the media, think that the old school liberals need to take a back seat to their wishes for the party as evidenced by his GOP talking points now....He is really pissing off alot of Liberals and that is so foolish...to say (after Hillary got the mega share of the democrats in the Party)that we should just fade away (which is what the media is implying) is very very foolish....

    Well... (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:54:10 PM EST
    They know we are a given, they are enlightened and made a transcending decision. Wind bag Ed Schultz said today that the Obama voter is more educated and probably made a more educated decision. THESE ARE PROGRESSIVES?

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    that is exactly (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:10:38 PM EST
    the kind of crap that lost Kerry the election.  And Gore, I might add (though the Supreme Court certainly helped him).  The picture of the effete, New England intellectual does not work for the average, working-class dem.  They want someone who understands them and wants to fight their fight.

    They don't want someone who is shocked--shocked, I tell ya--at the price of arugula lately.

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    It's Really Shocking To Me (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:23:00 PM EST
    How much Obama's supporters are happily using the same stereotypes that killed Gore and Kerry for him.  I know a lot of them are young, but they are old enough to remember 2004, right?

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    Obama Is Bullet Proof (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:29:57 PM EST
    Nothing that happened in the past will touch him so there is no use taking details like that into consideration.

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    Russert (none / 0) (#67)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:47:18 PM EST
    Just said that even if Obama got 50% this weekend, they'd still be in a virtual tie for delegates.

    Dean is saying it won't get to the convention.  I don't know who he thinks is going to blink first.

    Looks like the Uniter has basically divided the democratic party.

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    Wait... (none / 0) (#74)
    by mindfulmission on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:49:55 PM EST
    ... why is the "uniter" who has done the dividing and not Clinton?

    And it is not that he or she have divided the party.  It is that they have both run good campaigns and are well liked by a lot of people.

    That doesn't mean that there is some unhealthy division in the party.

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    And The Dems Wonder Why Many Folks (none / 0) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:07:58 PM EST
    buy into the Republican talking point of the Dems looking and talking down to people. Thanks Ed. That is a great way to expand the Democratic tent. I'm sure we will see that quote again during the General Election. These so called Progressive memes can progress us right into another Republican president.  

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    They Also Wonder (none / 0) (#60)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:21:43 PM EST
    Why Obama isn't big among working class folks?  Gee, maybe it's because so many of his supporters (although definitely NOT all) love to talk about how much smarter they are than the average bear?  Or how racist all those working class folks are?  

    Or put another way, just because a lot of  Clinton's supporters don't have a college education doesn't mean they can't tell when they are being talked down to.  

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    A good point. (none / 0) (#88)
    by lilburro on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:08:39 PM EST


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    Is Obama winning working-class Latinos? (none / 0) (#90)
    by lilburro on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:55:30 PM EST
    I have no idea but I've been getting the impression that he is not doing as well as Clinton with the Latino vote across all class brackets.  But I've had a hard time finding exit poll data that combines race and class.  This article provides an interesting analysis of the Latino (and Asian American) vote in California:

    Jeff Chang:  Why Latinos and Asian Americans Went for Hillary!

    I look forward to reading sociological analyses of this election in the future.  At the moment I don't even really know where to begin in terms of describing/explaining voter trends by race/class/gender in a way that actually holds water.  

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    very very amazing (none / 0) (#51)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:01:03 PM EST
    that they are so blatent...but what astonishes me more than anything is that the leadership of the democratic party will fall for it, but I believe they won't...they sure as heck didnt yesterday after weeks of propaganda...

    I meant (none / 0) (#52)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:02:14 PM EST
    the leadership thinks the rank and file will fall for it which they didnt...In a rather large way...

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    Wierd. (none / 0) (#54)
    by oldpro on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:08:13 PM EST


    This is just becoming ridiculous. (none / 0) (#56)
    by masslib on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:13:35 PM EST
    Holy crap.  I don't even know what to say.

    the elitist part of our party (none / 0) (#57)
    by athyrio on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:16:23 PM EST
    truly thinks we will just ignore and follow along with them...WOW....I have lodged a complaint with the national party today...and they also think apparently that Florida will just fall in line too.....BET ME!!!

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    Dowd (none / 0) (#58)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:17:33 PM EST
    is doing her best to emasculate Obama, too.
    But At Least Dowd Hates Obama (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:25:01 PM EST
    She's doing it to tear him down.  That's what Maureen Dowd is all about.  The only times she doesn't tear Obama down is if sparing him would tear Clinton down.  So she's following the textbook big media playbook for Democratic frontrunners.

    Why anyone who supports Obama would adopt the same kind of feminizing language is beyond me.  I know they're getting killed with the female vote but this isn't going to change that and it's going to probably hurt him with men, Republicans, and independents.  It's just stupid.

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    maybe (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Kathy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:30:29 PM EST
    because Obama is the mirror of who they think they are?

    I dunno.  I'm certainly over-educated and I seem to have a lot of free time to post here so that must mean I'm fairly well off and I have been known to sip a latte or two...but I cannot stand the empty rhetoric, the hostility toward women and the outright co-opting of republican strategy.  Michelle Obama talking about Hillary's "tone" just cut it for me.

    Of course, because I have ovaries and I'm white, that means I don't really matter anyway.  I suppose it could be worse--I could live in Florida.

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    Oh, You Matter (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by BDB on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:53:05 PM EST
    Obama didn't put Clinton away last night because he couldn't shake white women and hispanics away from her.  If he can't change that, he's got potentially big problems on March 4th, even with Clinton's money woes.  So I suspect we're going to be hearing a lot about how much Obama loves women and hispanics and especially hispanic women in the coming weeks.

    You know, throughout the entire campaign here in California I never once heard from Obama's campaign until last night after 5 p.m.  On paper, I am someone they should've contacted.  Yes, I'm female, but I'm under 40 (albeit barely), demographically as wine track as you get, and I live in an area that is politically moderate, my Congressman endorsed him.  Last night I got a robo-call from his campaign telling me I could still vote, the polls were still open.  It was the first time I heard from him.  It was also at that moment that I realized Clinton would carry California.  If they were sending frantic messages after 5 on election day to people they'd never talked to before, that's not a sign of confidence about how your day is going.

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    Ugh... (none / 0) (#73)
    by magisterludi on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:28:22 PM EST
    I just threw up in my mouth a little

    It's a fair trade (none / 0) (#75)
    by scarshapedstar on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:54:11 PM EST
    Clinton was the first black president, Obama will be the first woman president. Makes sense to me.

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