Wednesday Open Thread

I have a list of 50 or so things to do before I move. I'm on number 3.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

I dumped the spam from the last week. I'll try to check it every night.

< Not Your Average Narcos Review
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft

  • Display: Sort:
    When is someone going to ask (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:04:49 AM EST
    Kim Davis about what God thinks about her three divorces?

    lol. When will somebody ask God what she (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:17:24 AM EST
    thinks about Kim Davis?

    St. Kimmy of KY (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:55:09 AM EST
    It's actually way better than even that.

    I had not heard the rest until Dan Savage last night.  She has, I hope I get this right, two kids while married to her first husband that were sired by her third husband and adopted by her second husband.

    Oh saintly tower of virtue and morality, please tell us more about the righteous path.

    What a world.


    On the other hand (none / 0) (#45)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:48:41 AM EST
    it is entirely possible for someone to hold, on faith, various beliefs that seem logically inconsistent to a rationality-oriented person. Nor is it unusual for a religious person to have a past life of sin, even by her own professed standards. To be clear, none of the foregoing has anything to do with the Clerk's total lack of any legal defense in the present situation.

    McKinley/Denali (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:22:19 AM EST
    I have been to Alaska a number of times.  One way to give away your "visitor" status is to refer to the large peak as "McKinley."  It is a matter of Alaskan pride that the mountain is called Denali.

    I have been waiting with bated breath for the Palin response to Mr. Obama accommodating a request that the Alaskan delegation to Congress has been pushing for decades, and stalled by the Ohio delegation.  This is a WIN for Alaskan Republicans.  Hard for them to accept that Obama delivered it.

    Here is Brisket's blog, in which she whines: "By the way, no one is buying the 'Denali is what the Alaskans have called it for years' line. I've never called the mountain Denali .. and neither does anyone I know ..."

    Here is the money quote from her mother's concession speech, I forget which one.  

    "And getting up here I say it is the best road trip in America soaring through nature's finest show. Denali, the great one, soaring under the midnight sun."

    But, isn't it awful that Mt.McKinley's (none / 0) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:53:59 AM EST
    name change was by dictatorial executive order, And, awful because Obama.

    In a news flash for some Republicans, President George W. Bush changed, by executive order 13428, the name of Caribbean National Forest in Puerto Rico to El Yunque National Forest, on April 2, 2007.  President Bush made the name change to better reflect the cultural and historical feelings of the Puerto Rican people, according to a WH spokesperson.


    The Iran Deal (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:04:27 AM EST
    looks to be a done deal with enough Senators now backing the plan to prevent any potential veto override from the GOP.

    I don't get the anti-deal (none / 0) (#46)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:49:35 AM EST
    commercials running on t.v.

    They are aimed at the militaristic wackos on the right.  But they needed to convince Democrats in order to block the deal.  

    Are they so insular that they can't help it, and they are only able to toss their own talking points back and forth?  

    The t.v. commercials run by the anti-deal groups are a waste of time and money. The consultants sure fleeced some right wingers....


    Wealthy People (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:59:40 AM EST
    Attempting to gain a political edge through the use of their money and failing is not a waste of money, but rather the only known successful version of trickle down economics.

    Haha (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:07:14 AM EST
    Jennifer Rubin GOP voters are morons

    Whose campaign is she (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:10:07 AM EST
    looking to work for?

    Seriously, aside from the contempt she clearly has for Donald Trump, she also apparently thinks the GOP/conservative voters are way down there on the IQ scale, as are the candidates themselves.

    I've decided that it isn't at all funny that (1) this is the state of the electorate, and (2) this is the state of the candidates.  Maybe one deserves the other, or one is the result of the other - I don't know.

    I just know that I spend most of my time now in a state of utter befuddlement that any of this makes sense to anyone.


    I don't (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:32:07 AM EST
    know that it is the state of the electorate but it certainly seems to be the state of the GOP. When you feed your voters a constant diet of garbage then you get an informed bunch of voters. The GOP is going to have to do something about Fox News and talk radio if they are ever going to be a rational political party again.

    I think what will be really interesting to me (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:45:38 AM EST
    Over the next few weeks is see how the "moderate" attacks pan out.  It could go a number of ways.

    1 - Trump could become less moderate.  No one will care what his past views are.

    2 - Trump could tell everyone to shove it, that his views are better, and people will still love him and fox will implode.

    3 - Trump could tell everyone to shove it and people abandon him and everything is nice and shiny in the GOP.

    Let's just say I'm really hoping for door number 2.  I think it presents the first real crack in the GOP economic rigidity we've seen in a long time.  I hope it finds a way to sustain itself past this election (after Trump presumably loses).


    Well (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:24:46 AM EST
    so far the attack ad Jeb ran was meh. It was basically saying the same things the GOP has been saying about Trump and nobody cares. I would think number 2 is most likely because that's been the history with Trump.

    There's no way anything goes back to nice and shiny after all this. Trump has gotten so much attention you would have to be living in a cave to not know exactly what he stands for. I don't see how the GOP de-Trumps itself at this point. Those Trump voters sure aren't going to show up for Jeb after seeing Trump. Maybe someone like Ted Cruz would be able to pick up Trump's voters if he faltered.


    Jennifer Rubin (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:13:11 AM EST
    is a moron and a GOP establishment mouthpiece.   Her fretting condescendtion pleases me.

    Me too (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:21:43 AM EST

    Funny (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:33:27 AM EST
    on Mourning Joe they are having vapors over the recent polling that say 66% of Donald Trump supporters think Obama is a Muslim.  This is delivered with somber side eye by Mica who quickly and parenthetical adds under her breath that "it's 12 points higher than the "main stream" of the Republican Party"

    If 66% is "12 points higher" (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:56:18 AM EST
    then 54 percent -- a significant majority -- of Republicans (or perhaps, Republican voters) hold the same willfully ignorant, bigoted opinion. And, inferentially, are immune to factual information.

    tee hee (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:53:56 AM EST
    Where have they been for the last seven years?

    Exactly - that is what amazes me about all (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:37:24 AM EST
    of this GOP 'concern' about Trump and his supporters...they are the same 25% of the party that have always been there. The GOP has depended on their votes in the last however-many election cycles. Now they have a mouthpiece that catches the media's attention and shines the light on the crazy. I do give Trump credit for calling out the GOP on their hypocrisy.

    Ready or not, here it comes (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 07:16:46 AM EST

    GM embryos: time for ethics debate, say scientists

    Leading UK research funders are calling for an urgent national debate on the ethics of genetically modifying human embryos and other tissues to prevent serious diseases.

    The plea has been prompted by scientists' rapid progress in developing a powerful tool called genome editing, which has the potential to transform the treatment of genetic conditions by rewriting the DNA code of affected cells.

    The title says "scientists say".  It seems more like science funders say.

    "Blowhards who can't do science say" (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:59:32 AM EST
    The Chinese reach for the stars.  

    - while B/S addicted western conservatives reach for their caves.


    Okay, so I've been listening (none / 0) (#49)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:54:32 AM EST
    to a lot of Radiolab podcasts on my commute lately, just kind of catching up, so I just heard about CRISPR. I don't know what they mean about "research funders" but I think the ethics discussion is not only warranted but long overdue.

    You might like the podcast. I love Radiolab, I get all kinds of science-y stuff in a way that doesn't put me to sleep.


    Does (none / 0) (#9)
    by FlJoe on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:11:04 AM EST
    anybody else get homicidal urges when watching this vile creature and his demon spawn spew uncontested lies, or am I just oversensitive to sociopathic war criminals.

    You are not alone (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by ruffian on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:39:37 AM EST
    They are detestable.

    They think Joe will run, I hope it proves to be yet another thing they get wrong.


    Cheney convinces me (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:44:36 AM EST
    evil does exist.

    Unarmed Texas citizen gunned down by cops (none / 0) (#10)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:41:10 AM EST
    A second video (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:29:59 AM EST
    Reportedly shows "unarmed" man had a knife in his hand.

    Not sure what to think here (none / 0) (#44)
    by sj on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:45:31 AM EST
    Except that

    1. Good thing you said "reportedly" since your link didn't actually have a video. It had just two sentences and piles and piles of advertising and moving parts, so... thank you for that. It locked up my laptop while it loaded.

    2. If such a video actually exists, and, if the first video shows him with his hands up (full disclosure: I find it nearly impossible to watch video of someone's death, so I'm trusting the reporting on this one) then presumably the knife would either be
          a) in his hands, which were up, or
          b) elsewhere on his person which would be inaccessible to his hands, which were up

    3. Having a knife is not a capital offense.

    I guess I'm thinking a lot of things, including that your attempt to excuse this is typical.


    please put your urls in html (none / 0) (#11)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 08:52:43 AM EST
    format. Long ones skew the site. I have to delete the comment as I can't edit them.

    Today is (none / 0) (#15)
    by Uncle Chip on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:05:35 AM EST
    Freddie Gray Court Day

    Several things could happen during the pretrial hearing, including:

    • Mosby's office could be recused.

    • The case could be dismissed for prosecutorial misconduct.

    • The court could discuss how and whether the officers will be tried, together or separately.

    I'll take (none / 0) (#18)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 09:26:56 AM EST
    ...door number three.

    I hope they throw the library at them.


    Judge has denied the defense's (none / 0) (#32)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:25:14 AM EST
    motions to recuse Mosby, and dismiss charges; when court reconvenes this afternoon, motion to separate will be heard.


    So...if people can talk about Biden (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:04:16 AM EST
    maybe getting into the race, why not talk about Romney getting in?

    "He's someone to whom civility means a lot. The whole Trump thing really bothers him," a close Romney adviser told me--and some Romney-ites are only too happy to talk up the prospect of their man jumping into the race if the Establishment fails to stop Trump, whose support in Iowa and New Hampshire is currently greater than Jeb Bush's, Scott Walker's, Marco Rubio's, Chris Christie's, and John Kasich's combined. "Mitt wants to run. He never stopped wanting to run," a senior member of his 2012 team told me. Other Romney-ites, watching this cycle's candidates falling short, feel a sense of vindication after all the attacks they endured after Romney's failed 2012 bid. "These guys like Walker and Perry, they were big deals in their states, but you get them onto the national stage and it's a different story," a former Romney adviser told me. "It's like they were in middle school, and now they're freshmen in high school and they're getting their faces slammed in the toilets."

    Charlie Pierce:

    Still, the idea makes sense on paper. The field has been hijacked by an elaborate confidence man, and by a physician whose political ideas are the equivalent of bleeding people with leeches. The dynastic scion of this cycle is campaigning in a style that reminds you of nothing more than Willie Mays in his sad career denouement with the New York Mets. The single-digit crowd is a spectacular gathering of warmongering chickenhawks, failed governors, and outright theocrats. The smart money, such as it is, has got to be looking for a lifeboat right now, and why not choose the one that got you almost all the way to dry land last time? I'm not sure, but it may be time for me to dust off that old fedora, the one with the green feather, and take up my old job as a speechwriting consultant from last time.

    He's Mitt Romney, b!tches, and he's all you got left.

    My bet is that neither are running (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:05:44 AM EST
    OTOH (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:11:34 AM EST
    i really really really hope Mittens jumps in to save the day.   I would love to see what Donald did to him.

    god I love this (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by CST on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:36:28 AM EST
    "He's someone to whom civility means a lot. The whole Trump thing really bothers him,"

    This describes a lot of northeast republicans to a T.  Nevermind that a lot of the policy in question is abhorrent.  We've got to be polite about it and put "lipstick on that pig".


    There's a great line... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:43:46 AM EST
    in the Bessie Smith biopic "Bessie" you reminded me of that kinda applies...

    "White folks in the south don't care how close you get as long as you don't get too big. And white folks in the north don't care how big you get as long as you don't get too close."

    Romney (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:20:39 AM EST
    jumping in is completely irrational. It's not like he's going to take any voters away from Trump.

    I think the GOP establishment is (none / 0) (#30)
    by Anne on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 10:37:09 AM EST
    just utterly desperate to find someone, anyone, who can end the nightmare that is Donald Trump - and Ben Carson (not that the more establishment candidates on the roster are really any better).

    Problem is that to the extent the GOP has pandered to that segment of the party, to the extent they have allowed themselves to be associated with Fox News, making a deal with the devil just to win elections, this is the result - this is the monster they have created.

    So, now they realize they may have to live with it, and they are grasping at straws for a way out.

    Looking ahead to a possible Trump/Clinton race, I cannot even begin to fathom the level of misogyny that will be generated; I don't think I can take it.


    I'm not (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:42:44 AM EST
    sure the misogyny is going to be any worse from Trump than it would be from any of the other Republicans.

    But I agree they are grasping at straws.


    Anybody else seen... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:14:36 AM EST
    the film "Kill The Messenger", currently on heavy rotation on HBO?  The based on a true story of investigative reporter Gary Webb, who you may recall revealed the CIA-backed cocaine dealing to fund the Contras, which in part caused the rise of crack cocaine.  It was a pretty good film.

    Ed Snowden kinda reminds me of the late great Mr. Webb...the way the story became about Webb/Snowden instead of the scary truths they revealed about our lawless government.

    Also was left to ponder if the CIA is involved in heroin dealing today, with the streets awash in smack now like they were with crack in the 80's.  And pondering how the CIA is so much powerful today than they were in the 80's..scary f*ckin' thought!

    Snowden? (none / 0) (#34)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:32:49 AM EST
    The same guy that thinks Bin Laden is eating a grilled Mahi sandwich with a side of conch salad, while sipping on a Gully Wash in the Bahamas this afternoon?

    Good a guess as any... (none / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:34:25 AM EST
    I think he's got his old office back in Langley, clean shaven and going by the name of Oliver Laden.

    Just saw it (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:40:36 AM EST
    very good.  

    Has anyone heard of Movie2k before? (none / 0) (#33)
    by topcheese on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:27:30 AM EST
    I have been looking for ways to watch movies online and I find it very difficult, but I found this service http://movie2k.io and it seems to work really well for watching movies. Has anyone ever heard of movie2k?

    No.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:32:59 AM EST
    but I've heard of you, Spammer Man.  Get a job bottomcheese! ;)

    All cheese no crust? (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:44:45 AM EST
    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#48)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:53:59 AM EST
    seems to me

    Long Island Dweller to... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 02, 2015 at 11:54:35 AM EST
    Upstate NY secessionists...go ahead, make our day!  But I want the New Amsterdam name, you keep New York.  And Cuomo goes with you!