The Current Delegate Count

Via Jerome at MyDD:

Here's the state of the race that includes all 50 states (TL adds: in other words, with Florida and Michigan counting):

Clinton leads Obama, 1127 to 1119, in pledged delegates.

Clinton leads Obama, 240 to 140, in super-delegates.

There are 393 remaining super-delegates.

There are 1301 remaining pledged delegates.

There are another 94 remaining delegates among the uncommitted, and John Edwards delegates.

Sources: Jerome says Green Papers and DemConWatch have the best and most accurate information.

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    Edwards delegates (none / 0) (#1)
    by Prabhata on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 07:57:46 PM EST
    Does anyone know if Edwards can give his delegates to another candidate?

    Edwards can suggest (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kathy on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:01:26 PM EST
    His delegates go somewhere, but he cannot "make" them.  As with super delegates, they are not bound to anyone.

    Jeralyn, why do so many different sites disagree about delegate counts, even with FL and MI out of the game?  And who, at the end of the day, gets to say how many candidates each delegate officially has?

    (ps: did I miss the reason why letters aren't showing up in headers?  WWVF?  Do I get a treat?)

    Nothing is official (none / 0) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:04:33 PM EST
    from the party yet, is that true? So many formulas and in some places all the votes not certified.

    Plus, some delegates aren't (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:06:56 PM EST
    technically "committed" until the state party convention; and become technically uncommitted if their candidate dropped out.  

    Exactly... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:18:43 PM EST
    So all this drama is really theoretical.

    Credentials committee at (none / 0) (#15)
    by oldpro on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:19:09 PM EST
    national convention seats the 'official delegates' unless they are overridden by a vote of all delegates through a challenge process...ie. Fla and Michigan

    More fun with Democrats...


    How much farther would (none / 0) (#3)
    by jdj on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:02:10 PM EST
    Obama need to pull ahead in pledged delegates to make seating FL and MI an option while still maintaining a lead? How many delegates would Hillary get from FL and MI if they were seated to her greatest benefit?

    According to DemConWatch (none / 0) (#8)
    by magster on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:07:19 PM EST
    He's already there.

    According to OpenLeft, he has the popular vote lead by any standard.


    doh! (none / 0) (#9)
    by jdj on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:07:58 PM EST
    never mind

    Now those are good questions. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:09:40 PM EST
    I hope Florida and MI irrelevant to the outcome.

    I am for Obama (none / 0) (#13)
    by jdj on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:17:40 PM EST
    But I would be happy to see either canidate win it clearly.

    I will happily vote for either candidate. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:26:15 PM EST
    I have high hopes for both. In the end, it won't matter who is elected without more and better Democrats in congress. No-one has been a bigger disappointment to me than Bill Nelson. He crushed Katherine Harris, he isn't up for election until 2012, yet he doesn't vote like a Democrat. He is pretty much worthless as a Democrat.

    One of the reasons many of my (none / 0) (#22)
    by Florida Resident on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:37:26 PM EST
    Republicans friends voted for him.  He is the classic example of a Democrat that gets a lot of crossover votes.

    I got nothing. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:44:06 PM EST
    I think he is worthless as a Democrat and your Republican friends vote for him. Says it all.

    That is my biggest concern. . . (none / 0) (#16)
    by LarryInNYC on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:20:40 PM EST
    at this point.

    Really, I'm hoping it turns out one of them was in Hitler Youth, or something equally disqualifying, and it comes out before the next primary.  I don't particularly care which candidate.


    So i guess (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jgarza on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:03:15 PM EST
    that makes her the front runner!

    Demconwatch (none / 0) (#6)
    by magster on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:05:12 PM EST
    says that Obama has 30 or so pledged delegate lead if MI and FL factored in.  MyDD has the most Hillary favored count I've seen.  Doesn't make it wrong, just what I've seen.

    Clinton is done if she cannot get within a range where MI and FL would make a difference after March 4.

    Being able to seat FL and MI (none / 0) (#11)
    by jdj on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:14:07 PM EST
    would be great. And there would be no doubts regarding who won and whether it was fair.

    I hope he can take TX. Burnt Orange had some interesting insights on their site today.


    Elections not certified (none / 0) (#12)
    by Stellaaa on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:15:03 PM EST
    Nothing is official till elections are certified. Everything right now is a guess or estimate, unless election is certified by the State.

    In a primary. (none / 0) (#20)
    by oldpro on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:35:33 PM EST
    Doesn't apply to caucuses.

    Did you see the huge messup in my state, WA, when the Rep. Party chair announced for McCain before all the counties had reported.  Huckabee went nuts, got lawyers and reporters involved...just a riot, considering the Republicans had challenged the vote count that elected Chris Gregoire governor over Republican Rossi by 129 votes.  Now they are the ones who are accused of messing up vote counts.

    Heh, heh, heh....


    if only Obama was working for (none / 0) (#25)
    by Kathy on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:42:59 PM EST
    transparency in the democratic nomination process as hard as he was working for transparency in government...

    If Obama can build a delegate lead (none / 0) (#17)
    by jdj on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:21:12 PM EST
    big enough to seat FL and MI would everyone agree that the super deleagte split should reflect his lead?

    Is seating FL and MI more important than Hillary winning by super delegates?

    Since I think our politicians are gutless wonders (none / 0) (#19)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:28:08 PM EST
    I have no doubt that the majority of super delegates will vote like their constituents did.

    Except for those superbrave (none / 0) (#23)
    by oldpro on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:38:39 PM EST
    superdelegates Kerry and Kennedy?

    I doubt they will...I'd bet money on it.


    What's the popluar vote (none / 0) (#21)
    by oldpro on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:37:18 PM EST
    in your scenario?

    I won't (none / 0) (#24)
    by Polkan on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:42:38 PM EST
    Super delegates should do what they are supposed to do - be independent voters (Clyburn said this today). They have to keep the party interest and electability in mind.

    If they think Clinton has a stronger chance to win because of her base, they should vote for her. If they think Obama will pull it off - they should vote for me. And they should make sure that the loser comes out with a strong backing of the winner immediately.

    But the more I watch, the more I doubt they will have the guts not to back the pledged delegates winner. Which only sets them up for an even bigger earthquake if Democrats lose the general election.


    oooops (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Polkan on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:43:39 PM EST
    for him, obviously. but i would also be honored to have their vote!  :-)

    unfortunately (none / 0) (#28)
    by kenosharick on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:50:19 PM EST
    Fl/Mi delegates will probably not count. Wh no headlines about Obama reneging on promise to hold to federal spending limitsi a general election?

    just put up an open thread (none / 0) (#29)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 08:52:55 PM EST
    why don't you discuss it there.

    Brokered Convention! (none / 0) (#30)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 11:33:28 AM EST
    Since neither candidate is going to get enough pledged delegates during the primary season, I'd like to see a brokered convention.

    Those of us in the Democratic Party clearly couldn't make up our mind this year, and I think that should be reflected in the convention.

    This won't happen.  But I think it would be the most accurate reflection of the will of the party.