Wednesday Morning Open Thread

Your daily Percy Harvin report:

[Florida] Receiver Percy Harvin, meanwhile, missed practice Tuesday but [Florida coach Urban] Meyer said he was "getting better and better." Harvin sprained his right ankle against the Seminoles and is considered questionable against the Crimson Tide.

Since I only have the New Deal and Percy Harvin on the brain, here is an Open Thread for your commenting pleasure.

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    I posted this in yesterday's thread (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:37:38 AM EST
    but I think this warrants a second post...the NYT on the CIA here.  It is truly remarkable.  The amount of pressure Obama is going to face in reversing our torture policies IS going to be immense.  

    Senator Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who will take over as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee in January, led the fight this year to force the C.I.A. to follow military interrogation rules. Her bill was passed by Congress but vetoed by President Bush.

    But in an interview on Tuesday, Mrs. Feinstein indicated that extreme cases might call for flexibility. "I think that you have to use the noncoercive standard to the greatest extent possible," she said, raising the possibility that an imminent terrorist threat might require special measures.

    Afterward, however, Mrs. Feinstein issued a statement saying: "The law must reflect a single clear standard across the government, and right now, the best choice appears to be the Army Field Manual. I recognize that there are other views, and I am willing to work with the new administration to consider them."

    WTF?  Why, despite the accounts of some of our respected ex-CIA and ex-FBI officials, do some of our lawmakers continue to believe torture is effective?  Why are we supposed to think it even works in situations like these?  Torture makes people lie.  C'mon.

    A. B. Krongard, the C.I.A.'s third-ranking official under Mr. Tenet when the detention and interrogation program was created, called Mr. Brennan a "casualty of war" and said he believed C.I.A. tactics were being second-guessed for political purposes. The demise of Mr. Brennan's candidacy, Mr. Krongard said, "is a huge loss to the country."

    Ok "Buzzy."  Yeah right.  The upper level CIA people are happy to grow wealthy as private contractors.  From where I sit there are a LOT of changes that can be made to the CIA.  And Blackwater Buzzy is of course not going to promote them.

    The good news:

    On Wednesday, a dozen retired generals and admirals are to meet with senior Obama advisers to urge him to stand firm against any deviation from the military's noncoercive interrogation rules.

    hehehe (2.00 / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:56:12 PM EST
    On Wednesday, a dozen retired generals and admirals are to meet with senior Obama advisers to urge him to stand firm against any deviation from the military's noncoercive interrogation rules.

    Ah yes. Yes indeed. I just know that the terrorists will stop beheading because of this.

    Yessir. No doubt. That is it. We have the solution.



    The technique for vetting (none / 0) (#91)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 09:18:45 AM EST
    information is as old as water boarding.

    If you want to argue that water boarding is torture then do so. But don't do so by claiming that the information obtained can't be proven right or wrong.

    And don't do so by claiming that by using water boarding the terrorists will become kinder and gentler.


    Dumb thy were, dumb thy are (2.00 / 0) (#93)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 02:22:12 PM EST
    One of techniques is you ask a question that you know the answer to, etc.

    And no, "fictional characters" have nothing to do with it.


    I was going to write it up (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:38:39 AM EST
    But the New Deal kept getting in the way.

    Please do! (none / 0) (#10)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:44:28 AM EST
    This crap deserves attention.  Krongard is terrible - and of course Brennan was his deputy from 2001-2003.  Is that mentioned?  NO of course not.

    They really do a great job of covering each other's @sses over there in the CIA.  


    Sen. Feinstein frequently asserts (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:44:53 AM EST
    she has info the rest of us mere mortals do not.  

    I wish Obama would enlist Jane Mayer on his national security team.


    or at least read her! (none / 0) (#15)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:52:03 AM EST
    I bet he knows her work though.  Sounds like the military brass around him is really against the torture policy though.  That is a relief.  Why Feinstein is willing to push the "we reserve the right to beat the sh*t out of you" line is beyond me.

    I know, right? (none / 0) (#53)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:04:30 PM EST
    Even better (none / 0) (#74)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:51:52 PM EST
    I was just thinking about writing a comment about the tone of the article.  The Columbia Journalism Review beat me to it.  Check it out:


    "I was aghast reading this," said Scott Horton, a professor of human rights law at Hofstra and a contributing editor at Harper's, whose blog was instrumental in framing the opposition to Brennan's appointment. "The Times doesn't even do a reasonable job of presenting the conflicts--their principal source today was John O. Brennan. They have not reached out to the other side. It looks like Mark and Scott have decided that it's payback time for a couple of their sources at the agency."

    The piece on the front page of today's Times struck me as so unbalanced, I sent this e-mail to four top editors there: "This morning's torture story on the front page is 1174 words long, of which 147 words are devoted to the anti-torture position, which the reporters writing the story obviously disagree with. I would like to know on what basis you believe this equation meets traditional New York Times standards for fairness and balance."

    I'm glad people are picking up on the coverage of this aspect of the transition.  The tears over John Brennan the day he handed his withdrawal letter I expected.  But continued coverage in that vein?  

    Since the MSM is not up to covering torture policy in an even remotely fair fashion, it is up to liberal/alternative media to do so.  This is how you provide cover for Barack Obama.


    Judicial Watch is at it again, (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by KeysDan on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:41:40 AM EST
    claiming an obscure, but real, constitutional issue (the emoluments clause) is at play that makes Mrs. Clinton ineligible to serve in the cabinet.  It is interesting to note that concern for obscure constitutional matters has emerged with this group after ignoring violence to obvious constitutional issues over the past eight years.  Guess it is better late than never to reclaim the constitution and what better place for these patriots to  start than with a Clinton.  

    And Jeb Bush (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:42:03 AM EST
    He is considering running for the open Senate seat in Florida in 2 years. They just won't go away. And he was popular in Florida as Governor so his chances might be decent. There is worry that he might be associated with his brother's Presidency. Ya' think?

    Maybe, in less than two years. (none / 0) (#18)
    by KeysDan on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:21:18 PM EST
    Senator Mel Martinez indicated that he may even leave the senate early.  He wants to spend more time with his family, of course.  If Charlie Crist pays back Jeb Bush with the appointment to the vacancy, ole Jeb will have a leg up.  Bush is still popular with the Deliverance wing of the Republican party, but I think being out of sight is out of mind for most.  Indeed, the popularity of Crist is due, in large measure, to being the non-Bush governor.

    Heh, you said Deliverance Wing (none / 0) (#21)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:34:01 PM EST
    CDS in Politico headline writing (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by TheRealFrank on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:45:29 AM EST
    The headline for this Politico article is "Bill Clinton eyes role, too".

    And then of course, the actual article is about some questions that he answered at a press conference where he specifically said that he does not seek a role, but will oblige if he's asked by the new president to do anything.

    CDS is a strange disease.

    Odetta.. (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by desertswine on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:09:25 AM EST
    is gone.

    Odetta sang at the march on Washington, a pivotal event in the civil rights movement, in August 1963. Her song that day was "O Freedom," dating to slavery days: "O freedom, O freedom, O freedom over me, And before I'd be a slave, I'd be buried in my grave, And go home to my Lord and be free."

    Thank you for posting this information (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:50:13 AM EST
    and for the NYT link.  I'm humming "Water Boy."

    Chris Bowers writes (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:06:19 PM EST
    regarding his prominence as a critic of the Obama transition so far:

    Third, it does not feel comfortable to be in disagreement with such a large percentage, probably a majority, of the progressive blogosphere. It doesn't feel very good to stick out from your family like that. Maybe I know how Clinton supporters felt during the primary now. I just hope that people take what I write at face value, rather than as the product of some sort of ulterior motive.

    I say he probably doesn't know the half of it.  

    I bet it is really (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:56:20 PM EST
    difficult to blog when the media is imploring you to appear on TV.  Such a victim.

    heheheh! (none / 0) (#56)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:13:52 PM EST
    poor Chris Bowers.

    Was it just me... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:30:34 PM EST
    or did others also find humorous the report of the cruise ship outrunning the POS (Pirates of Somalia). It was a cruse ship for chr**sakes -- the pirates must have been in outriggers. I'm surprised they didn't throw a couple of their mates overboard to gain a little more speed and perhaps overtake the cruise ship. Arrr.  

    Anyway, it is an open thread and my cynisicim is so elevated today I shoud be rated at orange or something like that. Cobra health benefits expiring next month and so far I've been rejected by four other carriers because of my Type II Diabetes. Nope there's nothing at all wrong with health care in this country. Bull*it!

    Not surprising... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:38:08 PM EST
    ...since the Healthcare carriers look for any reason to decline people on an individual basis who are in less than perfect health.  

    Does your State have a plan of last resort for uninsurables?  Here it is called Cover Colorado and carriers are required to give notice of eligibility to anyone they decline for coverage.  

    You might want to check with your State's Division of Insurance.  

    Good luck to you!!!


    Thanks, 'Hawk'... (none / 0) (#24)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:47:20 PM EST
    your remarks are most certainly appreciated.

    Yes, I do have that option available, yet the premiums uh,...shall we say...suck! Jeez, 7500.00 annual deductible for the same monthly premiums I pay today under Cobra with 1250.00 deductible. Wow. And that's just for me, not including my spouse which is included in my current Cobra payment. I had no idea about the difficulty. Here's the irony -- I quite smoking last year in anticipation of difficulties with insurance. and oh by the way, I could be insured as a smoker but not as a diabetic.  


    Does the plan not have a... (none / 0) (#27)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:57:27 PM EST
    ...sliding scale for premiums based on income--or do you make too much to qualify for that?  

    If you run a small business and can qualify, small group/self-employed business group of one coverage should be guaranteed issue.  The plans aren't always the best (i.e., the basic State mandated coverage), but at least it is something.  

    Congrats on stopping smoking!  That is one tough monkey to get off your back (I'm still trying)--worse than any addiction there is, IMHO.  


    The latter for me -- (none / 0) (#30)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:06:28 PM EST
    I earn too much. I'm one of those that supposedly can afford health insurance at the full pop, I guess. Anyway, for my wife and I, I'm looking at about $4000.00 more in 09 over 08. that's just for premiums and does not include the monumental increase in annual deductable mentioned previously.

    Given all that, me thinks that our economy probably shouldn't depend on me having any extra funds for purposes of stimuli in 09. Mine is all going to healthcare.  Someone please pinch me and tell me to wake up. I hope I'm overlooking something.


    The only other thing... (none / 0) (#38)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:27:33 PM EST
    ...I can think of would be to formally appeal the carriers denial decisions.  Believe it or not, I've actually seen cases where they will reverse themselves.  

    Really? Humph. (none / 0) (#40)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:29:37 PM EST
    I would never have thunk it. What's the average duration of the appeallate process?

    Doesn't hurt to ask. (none / 0) (#45)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:38:31 PM EST
    There's really no set timeline that I'm aware of, so it is totally dependent on the Company and their adminstrative procedures.  

    These days, so much of the underwriting process is done by computers and it doesn't take much to have an application flagged for denial.  Getting the human touch back in the process can help.


    One of you needs to get a government (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:33:42 PM EST
    job pronto.

    I'm sad to admit this, but I actually work (none / 0) (#46)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:41:40 PM EST
    for a government contractor and one who doesn't offer health care for employees as most of our staff are retired department of defense folks with Tri-Care insurance  

    Please clarify... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:48:41 PM EST
    do we need them to get government jobs setting healthcare policy (I'm all for that)...or do we need to get them government jobs just so they can see the doctor without worrying about the poorhouse.

    Hell, either option is a Win/Win for (none / 0) (#49)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:50:31 PM EST
    me Kdog, at this juncture.

    To get family health insurance (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:55:40 PM EST
    w/o physical exam, review of medical records, disclosure of pre-existing conditions, etc.  Plus job security.  Might even do some good for the common man/woman,  Who knows?

    Makes sense... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:09:46 PM EST
    for a lot of people, sure.  My brother has the best smile in the family because he's the only one with dental, thanks to a government job.

    If I had a nickel for everytime somebody told me to get a government job I'd have 5 bucks easy...but I can't do it, I just want the government to leave me alone, what kind of piker would I be if I turned around and got on the payroll?

    I may not be able to beat 'em...but I ain't ready to join 'em either:)


    Not you. The fellow with no insurance (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:23:38 PM EST
    and Type II diabetes.  

    Great minds think alike (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:52:41 PM EST
    I've been saying there's something very wrong with this whole story.  The idea of a big cruise ship taking "evasive maneuvers" is laughable on its face, never mind outrunning the pirates.  What's top speed for a cruise ship, 20 knots at best?  Somebody who doesn't even have any basic common sense made that all up, so something else happened that caused the pirates to give up or change their minds.

    Is it possible the cruise ship was armed in some way?  Or somebody's navy came to its rescue and doesn't want it known?  The story as given is simply bogus, and quite transparently so.  I wonder what's up.


    no please (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:58:08 PM EST
    don't inject reality! ;)

    This cruise ship story is seriously the funniest news story I have read all day.  


    If top speed is 20 knots or so... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 03:14:32 PM EST
    then top speed for a pirate outrigger must be 18 knots.

    Just imagine, if you will, the discussion around the pirate camp fire upon their return:
    Pirate 1: [while slurping swill] Well how was your plundering today?
    Pirate 2: Not good, we didn't see crap today
    Pirate 1: You Lie! We watched on CNN. You got outran by a cruise ship, chump.
    Pirate 2: Arrrr.  


    AP says Blackwater is in the (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 04:33:58 PM EST
    pirate-repelling business now.

    Hmm... (none / 0) (#90)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 07:41:14 AM EST
    My post of November 20 warned Captain Barbosa of that very possibility about Blackwater. I tied it to the fact that its work in Iraq is hopefully going away.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#96)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Dec 07, 2008 at 07:48:33 PM EST
    That's exactly what I'm getting at.

    Here is a photo... (none / 0) (#67)
    by desertswine on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 04:48:00 PM EST
    of the pirates, taken from the cruise ship.

    They shoot rifles instead of those cannons that movie pirates have. They use twin outboards.


    Almost (none / 0) (#79)
    by cal1942 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 06:27:40 PM EST
    4 crew for every 6.5 passengers.  Jeez.

    What must such a cruise cost or how bad is the pay for the crew?


    Both (none / 0) (#82)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 06:40:04 PM EST

    Sorry for the bold (none / 0) (#20)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:31:07 PM EST
    don't know what happened.

    asterisks is what happened ;) (none / 0) (#23)
    by nycstray on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:46:29 PM EST
    Tks. Next time I'll know (none / 0) (#25)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:51:19 PM EST
    I thought it might have had something to do with my overall mood.

    A passenger, interviewed on the (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 12:57:38 PM EST
    shore visit, sd. it was nothing really.  A minor inconvenience.  

    That was funny... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:09:41 PM EST
    who knew cruise ships had a 5th gear?

    Sorry to hear of your healthcare troubles, lots of that sh*t around.  How's this for a cynical solution...go without coverage, get a couple high-limit credit cards, charge all your healthcare needs for the rest of you life, pay the minimums on the cards and f*ck the balance.  You'll need to sell or transfer all your assets, but it is an option that apparently works for Uncle Sam.  

    Two can play this game!


    "Put it in overdrive, Slim..." (none / 0) (#35)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:15:14 PM EST
    I knew you'd find the story humorous, Kdog. I wonder if these pirates are affiliated with the pirate cell situated in the Mexican Baja that we discussed just last week.

    Ya know, your health care advice could work. Assuming that the creditors won't lower my credit limits after learning of my physical impairment.


    Yeah... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:28:41 PM EST
    some sneakiness would be required, but sneaky is the American Way...you get the hang of it after awhile.  

    Though I don't know how your creditors would have the right to your medical history..otoh, it seems like there are deputies of the law everywhere...your local bank, your local hospital, your local school...maybe they do have the right to your medical history, rights ain't what they used to be.


    Yes and I think the counter dude at (none / 0) (#42)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:34:09 PM EST
    my local Blockbuster also knows of my affliction, as he overheard my wife cautioning me about Goobers when renting the Dark Knight recently.  I suspect they could also get it from him. Well, sh*t, now that I think about it, everybody here knows, too. Damn what was I thinking.  

    Nope... (none / 0) (#43)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:34:38 PM EST
    ...private medical information is protected under HIPPA and the credit companies should not be allowed access to it.  

    However, there is nothing to stop them from putting 2 and 2 together based on the charges that you make.  


    Paul Krugman: (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:42:27 PM EST

    So, how big is the CDS problem? I think Clinton Derangement Syndrome is a big problem. Oh, you meant the other kind of CDS.

    Krugman (none / 0) (#80)
    by cal1942 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 06:35:08 PM EST
    I know I shouldn't do this but Krugman's feature of Roubini's Credit Default Swap explanation is just too good.


    ... You know, even now I'm not sure how central credit default swaps are to this mess. They certainly conveyed a false sense of security -- I think Nouriel Roubini said that they were like buying insurance on the Titanic from people who were passengers on the Titanic.

    Too funny.


    Napa City Council passed a Green Building Ord- (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:52:55 PM EST
    inance last night. With a huge push from the community and the grassroots group "Sustainable Napa County" we finally did it.

    100 people came and 35 spoke in favore, 0 against. The Council was touched and one said it was the most amazing experience as a councilmember.

    We were so organized to get the word out. Over the past two years we have helped educate the council about global warming and the role of local government, etc. etc. It is the culmination of a huge grassroots push and I feel awesome to have been a part of it.

    Congratulations! (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:57:21 PM EST
    Well done.  Think globally, act locally-- this is a perfect example.

    Thanks. It was a lot of work (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 04:04:53 PM EST
    We held a "policy maker's forum"last year that included a rough carbon footprint we did, and informative talks about what other green cities have done. We helped create a draft ordinance for the staff, and we got the community out in droves to support it.

    The staff wanted us to go to a lower standard, but with so many community members (including students from 3 schools, architects, the local hospital) there demanding the high standard, the council voted unanimous to require LEED Silver.

    That means Napa is now 1 in 10 California jurisdictions that has this standard, none are higher.

    I am a proud mama right now.


    Spectacular! (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by cal1942 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 06:37:47 PM EST
    Way to go coigue.

    Hip, hip, hurrah.


    This from a guy who thought Hillary was (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by nycstray on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:37:02 PM EST
    darkening ads?!

    Politically, I see zero downside, except maybe the idiot traditional media and their bizarre Clinton fetish. But screw them.


    I saw that. His whole paragraph (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:41:28 PM EST
    on Hillary was very nice. I think Kos must play to his audience sometimes. I didn't check the comments to see if he got any grief over what he said.

    I didn't read the comments either, (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by nycstray on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:53:28 PM EST
    rather pointless these days. Plus I just thought that was too funny. Quit while I was ahead  ;)

    Yeah, it was a real eye-roller. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:56:48 PM EST
    That place still drives me nuts but it is slightly better. They have some Obama bashers already that expect way too much too soon.

    Democrats just can't be happy. :)


    Tom Schaller was once-again vindicated (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:13:15 AM EST
    in Georgia yesterday.

    Forget it Jake, it's the deep south.

    Could be worse. . . (none / 0) (#2)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:18:00 AM EST
    Harvin sprained his right ankle against the Seminoles and is considered questionable against the Crimson Tide.

    He could have shot himself in the right ankle. . .

    It could be even more worse... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:27:48 AM EST
    he coulda shot himself in the ankle and got a 3 year mandatory minimum:)

    Even worse. . . (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:35:47 AM EST
    He could have shot Mike Bloomberg in the ankle, while smoking a cigarette and eating a double cheeseburger.

    Damn... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 10:43:44 AM EST
    I think that's a mandatory min. of 25 years easy...5 for the shooting, 5 for the burger, and 15 for the butt:)

    Fitz, back at work (none / 0) (#16)
    by scribe on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 11:55:37 AM EST
    Countdown: to Saturday. (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:00:27 PM EST

    Yes, the Big 12 Championship (none / 0) (#31)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:07:15 PM EST
    You can't wait either huh?

    My calendar says to turn on (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:09:15 PM EST
    Met radio broadcast at 8:00 a.m. PST.  

    The Mets? (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:11:49 PM EST
    Spring Training here already?...:)

    I wish. (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:36:52 PM EST
    I'm torn... (none / 0) (#36)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:17:36 PM EST
    ...I know Bob from back in our Iowa City days, but my hatred of OU predates that.  Plus, a Mizzu win would put an interesting twist on things.  

    Neither am I a fan of OU (none / 0) (#37)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:23:19 PM EST
    Yet, being a KU grad, my disdain for MU is just as severe. OU should win. However, its gonna be pretty darn cold in Arrowhead come Saturday. Ball can take some funny bounces in cold weather.

    I admit (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by JThomas on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:46:51 PM EST
    that just once I would love to see the southern teams play in Kinnick Stadium in late november and see how those fancy boys prance around then.
    The Big Ten gets hammered every year for not doing that well down south and out west in the bowls but fact is, they are like road games and the southern and western fancy dans get to stay close to home and play in warm temps...yes, this is an unfair rant vs the rest of the college football world...shoot me. Go Hawks...beat the Gamecocks in the Outback Bowl..if it happens.

    I've never heard anyone say (5.00 / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 04:35:23 PM EST
    playing in the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day was a hardship due to the weather.  Too much partying maybe, but not the weather.

    If you play (none / 0) (#83)
    by cal1942 on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 06:47:47 PM EST
    USC or UCLA it's a home game for them and a road game for the Big Ten.

    USC plays its reg. season home (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 08:02:27 PM EST
    games in the L.A. Coliseum.  

    I'm well aware of where USC (none / 0) (#88)
    by cal1942 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 12:41:55 AM EST
    plays its home games.  However, USC is located in LA as is UCLA.

    They are at home in familiar surroundings not having made a disruptive 2500 mile trip.

    Big Ten teams that make the trip to the Rose Bowl are subject to one distraction after another all the while they're out there.

    Home team advantage is usually 3 to 7 points for a regular season game.


    If I'm not mistaken, this started out (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 12:48:31 AM EST
    being about the weather.  Next we'll be arguing about that white horse.

    I didn't say anything about the weather, (none / 0) (#95)
    by cal1942 on Thu Dec 04, 2008 at 09:22:31 PM EST
    that was someone else and I too missed that point.

    Now I can't even remember what my original comment was intended to respond to.

    Nice comeback on the horse though. Great stuff.


    Tough times mean tough measures ;-) (none / 0) (#52)
    by cymro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 01:58:37 PM EST
    From The Onion:

    FORT WORTH, TX--Cash-strapped American Airlines announced a new series of fees this week that will apply to all customers not currently flying, scheduled to fly, or even thinking about flying aboard the commercial carrier.

    The fees, the latest introduced by American Airlines in a continuing effort to combat its financial woes, will take effect on Monday. According to company officials, these charges will include a $25 tax on citizens traveling with any other airline, as well as a mandatory $30 surcharge for passengers who decide to just stay home for the holidays instead.

    For more interesting details, see "American Airlines Now Charging Fees To Non-Passengers". I especially liked these:

    Arpey went on to note that some additional charges would also apply, including a $15 fee for every piece of luggage customers have inside their bedroom closet, and a one-time payment of $40 for any American whose name is Greg.

    and ...

    JetBlue, a commercial carrier known for its thrifty rates, has come out ahead of the pack, however, and is being lauded for its decision not to charge non-passengers not to fly.

    I guess there's just no way to avoid the increased cost of living during a recession.

    Praise the Lord and Pass the Pot (none / 0) (#55)
    by 1980Ford on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 02:10:54 PM EST
    Craig X. Rubin asks us to hold that he may lawfully sell marijuana on a constitutional religious freedom theory.The answer is, no.

    On August 25, 2006, Los Angeles Police Officer Tracye Fields, an undercover narcotics investigator, visited a business named Temple 420 in Hollywood. Appellant introduced himself as the owner and said that Temple 420 was a church in which members could buy marijuana. Appellant had recently opened Temple 420 and planned to sell marijuana from vending machines. The front lobby had a cash register, a large display of water bongs and pipes, and drug paraphernalia and clothing. Neal Lipsky, a Temple member, offered to sell Officer Fields marijuana even though she was not a Temple member.

    I never understood... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 03:55:50 PM EST
    why Rastafarians don't get a religous exemption for reefer?

    Catholics got an exception for communion wine during prohibition, Native American tribes get an exemption for peyote in some parts of the US...what's good for one superstition is good for another...let the Rastas enjoy their sacrament and commune with their god legally.

    As for "Temple 420", I applaud the effort.  Lousy name though:)


    Heh (none / 0) (#68)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM EST
    Campbell Brown catches Ed Rendell off the mike.  Here.  

    I like Ed too.  What he said wasn't that bad.  But Campbell's commentary is interesting.  Nice to have someone on the air to ask these questions.

    Excellent comments by Campbell. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:54:29 PM EST
    What she said is exactly what I experienced. I was the single one who got stuck working all the time. It was really more women vs women than men in my company, though.

    The women who had kids left at 5:30 and I never got out before 7:00. I know for a fact when we went through interviews, if we knew a woman had children and we had another applicant that was single, they would pick the single one every time. So it was a weird situation. You could work fewer hours if you had children but you had a harder time getting hired.

    When I got married and became a full time step-mom, it was extremely difficult to change my work habits because they still had the same expectations for me. I made it eight years until my step-daughter was thirteen and needed me to finally give up. It's hard to have a family and have a job like that.


    "You have no reason to go home" (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by nycstray on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 07:07:00 PM EST
    Yup, that was actually said to me because I didn't have kids. {sigh}

    Tommy Tuberville out at Auburn. (none / 0) (#69)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:23 PM EST
    Not a good year to be a coach in the SEC.

    I just noticed something scary in the Knoxville paper from Sunday. Usually, the jobs section is at least eight pages. This past Sunday, there were three pages. That's not good. That includes the big ads that take up lots of room.

    Charlie Weiss still has a job (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:34:15 PM EST
    at Notre Dame.

    Yes and I think he is more fire-worthy (none / 0) (#73)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 05:42:33 PM EST
    than Tubby. I like Tubby and think he just had a strange year.

    I'm with you, Teresa (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by caseyOR on Wed Dec 03, 2008 at 07:22:53 PM EST
    Can't think of a single good reason for Notre Dame to keep Charlie. His only decent seasons were those played with Ty Willingham's recruits. The last two seasons were so bad they were beyond embarrassing.

    Here at U. of Oregon, a new succession plan was announced yesterday. At some point in time between now and 2017, Athletic Director Pat Kilkenney will resign. Head football coach Mike Bellotti will become AD, and offensive coordinator Chip Kelly will become head coach. Apparently, Oregon panicked when Syracuse decided to interview Kelly for the job there. So, they concocted this plan to keep him.

    Mostly, folks here view this plan as desperate and, well, silly. Also, the current university president is retiring, and, with this plan, leaving a big mess for his successor. I hope Chip Kelly got a more defined timeline than the nonsense released to the public.