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Posted on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:23:24 PM EST
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I'm busy, but never too busy to fret about the Gators. Let me make one thing perfectly clear (h/t Nixon), if the SEC Champion is shut out of the BCS Championship game, I personally will riot on the streets.

Do something about this Barack!

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    Boomer Sooner! (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Tony on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:30:25 PM EST


    I like the looks (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:59:02 PM EST
    of Bob Somerby's proposed playoff.

    Also, "style points" is officially the most annoying cliche of the year.

    Yet another piddlypiss proposal. (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimotto on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:38:01 PM EST
    Div I football needs a 16 team playoff.  There's 11 DivI conferences, each conference champion gets a berth, and then there are 5 at large bids.  First round is played at the higher seeded teams home site, and the next three rounds are played at neutral sites.

    Teams go back to 11 game seasons.  Conferences with championship games have a 12th game.

    No whining about the Sunbelt, MAC and Mountain West getting bids.  They create all those nice payday home games for the biggies (who refuse to do a home and home with Boise State).  The get a ticket to the dance, and I look forward to Louisiana Tech knocking off LSU or Miami (OH) knocking off OSU in round one.

    DivIII football has a 32 team playoff.  That's right, a 32 team, 5 week playoff.  For kids who don't have personal tutors, who have to travel around the country on busses.  No reason DivI can't do a 16 team, 4 week playoff.

    Thanks for the platform for my rant.  

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    Huge Flaws (none / 0) (#81)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 12:39:21 AM EST
    Div I football needs a 16 team playoff.  There's 11 Div I conferences, each conference champion gets a berth, and then there are 5 at large bids.  First round is played at the higher seeded teams home site.

    Teams go back to 11 game seasons.  Conferences with championship games have a 12th game.

    1. How are the 5 at large teams chosen from among 11 conferences?  By poll?

    2. Unless you're willing to start your tournament before the end of November, that 1st home game could be a bit sticky from a weather standpoint.  Today we got nearly 6 inches dropped on us.  Or do you simply leave out teams from the northern tier of states? How are you going to seed the tournament? By poll?

    3. If you're going to scale back the regular season do you think that the unchosen nearly 100 colleges will be willing to cut the revenue from a 12th game and dip into academic resources to help fund athletics?

    4. What would you do with your automatic conference champs if the best a couple of conferences have is a  9-3 team.  What would a left out team in another conference say, like possibly Texas Tech? What about the Pac-10 which plays round robin and presents a real possibility of the best teams beating each other up.  Would there be much chance that a Pac 10 team could get an at-large bid?

    5. What would you do about split conferences like the Big 12, SEC, ACC, etc? How would Texas, Texas Tech and either Alabama or Florida fit your scheme or for that matter Ohio State?

    6. What would you do about the bowl games? If you use the bowls then what do you tell the communities and other sponsors of the left out bowls?

    In the first year of your scheme there would be a hue and cry about the obvious failure of the system.


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    Please explain this article. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:29:30 PM EST
    I gather the Big 12 uses strength of schedule as a factor in determining who is champion of the Big 12.  Isn't this pretty radical?

    NYT

    Also, does the NCAA know a Sooner sophomore drives a Cadillac Escalade?  NYT

    disclaimer: I played two SEC football games (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:45:02 PM EST
    1978 against Alabama
    1979 against Florida

    special teams, wedge breaker.

    For Auburn! (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:45:54 PM EST


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    We knew that! You couldn't be rooting for (none / 0) (#64)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:51:23 PM EST
    Florida otherwise. :)

    Is Tubby's job safe at least one more year?

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    I presume (none / 0) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:06:19 PM EST
    you hung out at the Blocked Punt and listened a lot to the tape of the Alabama game from the early 70's that led to the naming of that bar.

    My question about Auburn...are they Plainsmen, or Tigers, or War Eagles.

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    Good question (none / 0) (#82)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 12:43:47 AM EST
    CoralGables.

    My question about Auburn...are they Plainsmen, or Tigers, or War Eagles

    Sort of puts monotheism on its ear.

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    I just don't understand (1.00 / 1) (#79)
    by digdugboy on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 10:37:13 PM EST
    why anybody would root for the Florida Gaytors. I am glad the color barrier has been broken throughout our nation's schools, at all levels, and I think it's dreadfully wrong that any state would have a state sponsored school that admits only gay homosexuals.

    Armando, why aren't you fighting to end this horrible discrimination against us non-gay heterosexuals?

    Hook 'em Horns! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Angel on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:28:10 PM EST


    I hear Obama. . . (none / 0) (#3)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:34:33 PM EST
    is going to appoint Hillary Clinton coach, is that true?

    No worries BTD (none / 0) (#4)
    by jb64 on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:54:43 PM EST
    Unless, of course they lose to the Tide, which could happen.

    Personally as a Georgia fan, I'm still smarting from Nov. 1st.  

    Texas got ripped off (none / 0) (#6)
    by Saul on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:02:05 PM EST
    It should be #2.  It beat Oklahoma and Missouri  

    Can only hope for an upset Saturday against Oklahoma
    This would probably put Texas back up as #2

    Digby responds (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:11:23 PM EST
    to Ed Kilgore's response here.

    I'm always up for a fight about the south, so. . .

    I never thought I would read something (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 08:20:45 PM EST
    from Digby and take it with a grain of salt but that whole Southern culture transplanting into military culture, that's a stretch in my opinion.  I can't tell you how many conservative soldiers hate serving at Ft Rucker because it is surrounded by a few lunatic rebels you have to live with while you are here.  Most people in the military are naturally extremely competitive and usually very physically competitive, and it is a culture about power and the use of power and force.  The honor and duty thing is not a "Southern" derived thing either.  If you don't rein your power junky warriors in with some honor you can't manage them when they are in a war zone and respond to that form of stress in a competitive manner.  Even to be the military of a democracy you must have certain controls built into the system and the only thing standing between a trigger finger and a "target" on a really really bad day can be your honor.  If nobody is around to witness what is happening, the only thing that stands a chance of governing a bad situation is your honor.  Also, some people are loyal right down to their toes like my husband who was born, bred, raised in Michigan and has NO family from the South.  His father retired a military officer and his sister went to the Air Force Academy due to her running skills and I think she still holds some state h.s. records in Michigan.  She could beat her brother in distance running, really chaps him too.  They are a Catholic family, nothing Southern about them anyplace.  They are genetically loyal though to their tribe of America, I see some of the family behaviors in my son too.

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    I'll regurgitate my old (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:36:24 PM EST
    discussions with Kilgore on the subject.

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    Sounds good (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:40:43 PM EST


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    I think this is an interesting conversation (none / 0) (#14)
    by lilburro on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:42:51 PM EST
    too.  

    The key it seems to me would be tracing where this - "their sense of grievance [that] gives them the emotional and intellectual basis for destructive obstructionism, even in a time of crisis" (digby's words) - comes from.  The Heartland or the South?  

    Ed also only mentions "The East" when he's talking about the chip on Heartlanders' shoulders.  I don't know if California/Oregon count out as "The East" - I think the South has got plenty of problems with both The East and The West.

    The South is still the most overwhelmingly poor region of the country.  Billy Graham is from the South (NC).  IIRC, Digby wrote her previous post about this issue as it relates to the auto bailout debate.  Yep, it's here.  The Heartland was always portrayed as America, period.  The South was America and itself.  Only one of the two areas seceded from our country after all.  And if you're trying to figure out where their attitude of stubborn refusal comes from, that is an obvious place to start.


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    Also, it's amazing (none / 0) (#27)
    by lilburro on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:58:05 PM EST
    the places you'll find a confederate flag.  They're all over Central PA, for instance.

    The South certainly provides a template for stubbornness and self-destruction.  Depends upon how willing the rest of the Republican world is to go down that path.  Many conservatives probably don't think of Arlen Specter as one of their own.  

    Funny that Gingrich was born in PA, represented Georgia...

    Also, is Oklahoma the heartland or the south?  Seems like both to me.

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    It's both and the southwest (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:42:25 PM EST
    The gateway to the southeast is in eastern Oklahoma.

    The southern plains begin a bit east of Tulsa.

    And it is desert (although they'll never admit it) in west-central and western Ok.

    Also relatively different cultures. East is Creek-Choctaw-Cherokee Nation - Bubba (or Dixie, depending on your preference of terminology) Mafia.

    Central is --- well, Kansas. :D

    West is Apache-Kiowa-Kickapoo-Wild West Cowboy.

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    If Alabama wins the SEC championship, (none / 0) (#8)
    by indy in sc on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:23:38 PM EST
    I'm all for the SEC champ being shut out of the national title game!  Seriously though, very few people would say that an SEC champ with one or no losses doesn't deserve to play for the title.  That is a ridiculously hard conference from which to come out on top.

    The SEC (none / 0) (#9)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:33:17 PM EST
    had a losing record against the other BCS conferences this year!  They are always touted as the toughest conference in the land, even when they're not, probably because they have all those storied program names.  But even though it sounds tougher to have Auburn and Tennessee on your schedule than, say, Indiana and Minnesota, that's not automatically the case.  I'm not convinced that a 1-loss Florida team is necessarily the king of the 1-loss teams just because they play in the SEC.

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    Says the Big 10 fan (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:35:31 PM EST


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    Shrug (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:44:40 PM EST
    The Big Ten has sucked for a long time.  I remember as a kid, being confused that the winner of the Michigan-Ohio State game was supposed to be the Greatest Team Ever, and yet they would always get clobbered by the Pac-10 champ.  So I won't suggest that the Big Ten is better than the SEC in this or any other year.

    But it's nonetheless clear to me that having a Name is worth a huge amount in college football, and the SEC has more Names than most.  Thus they're touted as the toughest conference year after year, regardless of the facts on the ground.  One of the byproducts of the bowl system, as opposed to a tournament system like we have in college basketball, is that football remains a regional game and we never really get a final verdict on which conference was the best.  So the same Names appear at the top of the rankings the following year.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:47:06 PM EST
    almost every year after year, the SEC is the toughest conference.

    In the same way the ACC is generally the best in hoops year after year.

    Sometimes truisms are true.

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    The SEC eats its dead. (none / 0) (#19)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:53:07 PM EST
    If, and I do say if, Bama beats the Gators, they have earned the shot.

    I don't think ( certainly hope) that Florida has success.

    I'll be rooting for the Gators, so in the remote chance they lose, look for drunken posts from me criticising the Joe Scarbourogh Crimson Tide, also known as the fish killers.

    Okay, I am still upset. Go Gators!

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    Well (none / 0) (#31)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:03:56 PM EST
    there's no question that an undefeated team from the SEC is head and shoulders above.

    What I'm suggesting is that a 1-loss team from the SEC may be the best, but they may not be, and it's not particularly fair that they always get bonus points just because they're from the SEC which "everybody knows" is the toughest conference and therefore they must have played some killer schedule.

    Mind you, it makes no sense that if there is only one undefeated major-conference team, we arbitrarily pick one of the 1-loss teams to get a shot at them in a bowl game.  Either they should have to defend their undefeated status in a tournament, to my way of thinking, or they shouldn't have to defend it at all.

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    I honestly think a medocre team in the SEC (none / 0) (#33)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:10:41 PM EST
    would have great success in any other division. Not an Auburn or Tennessee this year, but a Vandy or Georgia. Even Ole Miss.

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    Well (none / 0) (#37)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:36:24 PM EST
    Georgia was the preseason #1, so your definition of "mediocre" is a bit more optimistic than mine!  But I mean, Vandy lost to Duke and Wake Forest.  Ole Miss lost to Wake as well.  South Carolina lost to Clemson and Georgia lost to Georgia Tech.  So I mean, I understand that it "feels" like these teams are a notch above the competition, but I really don't think actual results bear it out (maybe some years, but not this year), and if college football had a tournament this fact would become more obvious.  The problem is that there's a paucity of evidence for voters to determine, from year to year, whether the SEC is dominant or having an off-year, and for the most part they don't even try.

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    Media dahling? (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:44:23 PM EST


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    Fine, use those dammed facts and records. (none / 0) (#40)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:53:26 PM EST
    Meh.

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    Not So fast (none / 0) (#83)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 01:28:08 AM EST
    When Penn State got into the Big Ten some pundits said that Penn State would dominate the conference since the Big Ten is (allegedly) weak.

    Time proved that forecast ridiculous.

    Entering a given conference changes the environment in many ways.

    For what the Big Ten may lack, physical play isn't one of them.  The Big Ten lost a few games to MAC teams with standout quarterbacks this year.  But put any of those MAC teams in the Big Ten, playing eight games against Big Ten teams and those wins become losses.

    It just ain't that simple.


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    Please correcct me if I'm wrong, but, (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:46 PM EST
    wasn't it just last New Year's Day that a certain Big 10 team defeated a certain SEC team in the Outback Bowl?

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    Believe me--I'm no SEC fangirl! (none / 0) (#39)
    by indy in sc on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:45:34 PM EST
    My team is the Hurricanes (formerly Big East and now ACC).  I think the ACC is tougher than most people give them credit for, but they're not a top football conference right now.

    I see your point and I agree that sometimes the SEC gets credit for past performance rather than current realities.  However, I still think the top of the SEC this season is far better than the tops of most of the other conferences.  FL was shaky at the start of the year, but they have clearly grown stronger and right now, they just look better than most other teams to me.  Given my routing interest is with Miami, I generally do route against FL or FSU.  Nick Saban, however, is higher on my list of dislikes than either of the other "major" FL schools, so I hope they wallop Alabama.

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    Part of it is (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:55:46 PM EST
    what's the best conference?  The best 2 or 3 teams, or the best "top to bottom," whatever that means?  My sense is that when Ohio State plays Minnesota people think "oh look, another easy walkover," whereas when Florida plays Auburn people think "oh geez, another tough one."  Except sometimes Auburn sucks and maybe they happen to suck even more than Minnesota this year.  It's the name that leads people to assume that they must be tough, like always - and the SEC has a number of teams in that category.  Every team has down years and so do conferences.

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    speaking personally, (none / 0) (#42)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:09:24 PM EST
    I'm glad Auburn didn't play Florida this year. I would say, however, that top to bottom, the SEC is stronger. This year has seen a serious separation of wheat from chaff, but this won't last. Mississipi State and Ole Miss, Vandy and South Carolina, Arkansas and Kentucky, the 'Bottom 6" perennially, have talent. And yes, more talent than the bottom 6 in any other division. SEC speed, for example.

    The SEC was off this year, perhaps because of internicene punishment, but also coaching: to wit, Auburn, Tennessee, Mississippi State. changes at at least two, so look out for the future.

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#43)
    by Steve M on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:20:59 PM EST
    I sometimes cheerlead for the Big Ten in a joking way in BTD's threads, just to be contrarian, but it's hard to imagine I would ever argue that the Big Ten was superior to the SEC, this or any other year.  That said, I'm glad that when my alma mater (Michigan State) got its one shot at the Rose Bowl in the last 40 years, at least we won the dang thing.

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    my dad's phd is from MSU (none / 0) (#44)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:27:41 PM EST
    so I root for the spartans! btw, thanks for the reply!

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    well, right now (none / 0) (#46)
    by english teacher on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:46:10 PM EST
    ole miss is the third best team in the sec.  they are actually a very good football team.  the three early season losses to vandy, south carolina, and georgia tech were all without defensive end greg hardy.  the victory over florida and the four point loss to alabama were with greg hardy.  it looks like they will get to play texas tech in the cotton bowl, and i predict ole miss will beat them handily.  

    alabama will control the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball against florida.  florida is very good, but if you have not seen alabama play let me tell you they are scary.  they may be better on defense than saban's old 2003 national championship lsu team.  i'm sure oklahoma fans remember how good that tiger team was against a "high powered sooner offense".  saban will get pressure on tebow with three down lineman and unpredictable blitzing schemes.  bama will sack him, then set him up for mistakes (interceptions).  it's what saban does. 40-28 bama.  

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    Ole Miss has telent, and now has a coach. (none / 0) (#65)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:54:42 PM EST
    Look for Ole Miss next year...Bama is this, no QB, Auburn is rebuilding, and geebus, LSU has Les Miles! Look for Arky to be better,but no talent yet to replace what they lost.

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    To make this acceptible, (none / 0) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:02:32 PM EST
    Fork Bama.

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    Well, I'm in the Pac 10 (none / 0) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:45:40 PM EST
    so this discussion is little more than an academic exercise for me. Oh, sure, we have USC, but nobody really likes the Trojans. None of us want them to win.

    Given the pitiful state of the Pac 10, I turn to the conference of my childhood to find a football hero. And the Big 10 gives me ........... Penn State???

    imo (none / 0) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:48:23 PM EST
    USC is the second best team in the country.

    I am thankful people have excluded them from the conversation - gives my Gators a better chance of winning the national championship should they be be good enough to make the title game.

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    considering this year's choices, (none / 0) (#22)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:55:12 PM EST
    it's USC, followd by Oklahoma, then Texas.
    not a lot of difference betweeb UT and OU, though.

    BAma Florida? a tie, but Tebow tips the balance.

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    Who knows until they play (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:57:12 PM EST
    Sounds like a playoff is in order.

    BTW, Gators are 10.5 point favorites over the Tide.

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    And that with Harvin doubtful (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:57:29 PM EST


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    Harvin will play. (none / 0) (#28)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:59:25 PM EST
    If nothing else, a decoy. He'll make a difference.

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    From your keyboard . . . (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:01:56 PM EST
    He's the best player in the country.

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    BTD, I pay attention to politics and SEC sports. (none / 0) (#32)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:05:56 PM EST
    Harvin might be in on three plays. Look for tremendous success on all three.

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    With all of the rain we had (none / 0) (#80)
    by Amiss on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 12:09:48 AM EST
    I knew we were looking at someone getting seriously injured on the field, I dont believe he would have gotten hurt if the field had not been so slick. I bout cried when he got hurt.

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    Are the Gators the best team in the country? (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:53:46 PM EST
    I guess we'll find out very soon if they can take down Alabama, but do you really think they could beat the Sooners? or Texas? I think both the Sooners and the Longhorns could beat the Trojans. Not so sure about the Gators. IMO, only.

    I think the Gators are (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:54:42 PM EST
    We'll find out.

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    I should have said (none / 0) (#23)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:56:58 PM EST
    USC is number 3, after the winner of the SECCG.
    then they moce to 2.

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    But (none / 0) (#84)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 01:48:10 AM EST
    does the Big 12 play defense?

    Not knocking the Big 12, the games are fun to watch, but when I see the game scores as well as watch some of the games I wonder.

    USC has a very good defense and has an OK enough offense. Very good defense and OK offense almost always wins.

    I don't think any Big 12 team could stand up to USC.

    Oklahoma showed special teams weakness against Oklahoma State that could be fatal in a game against a team like USC.

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    Move* (none / 0) (#26)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:57:41 PM EST
    Brew fermented is affecting my typing

    Playoffs with tradition (none / 0) (#34)
    by phatpay on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 05:28:17 PM EST
    Keep the Bowl system alive somehow.
    I'm definitely in favor of knocking off a regular season game to institute a playoff system.
    Even if it's just the BCS teams.
    I'm sick of the current system.
    Such a boatload of money to be made as well.
    You'd think these greedy so's and so's would be all over this.

    Personally, as a Pac-10 guy who does root for the best in his conference, I'm hoping that Florida wins in a nail biter. Oklahoma wins.
    The BCS title = OU vs UF (I could care less who wins).
    And then USC plays Alabama somewhere back east and beats the ever loving tar out of them. Just to illuminate further how bass ackward the current system is in determining a champion.

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    We got a new coach but my job is getting (none / 0) (#47)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:14:06 PM EST
    ready to be a thing of the past. We are struggling and my very rich boss doesn't want to put anymore money into the co with the economy the way it is.

    I'm not totally blaming him, but his solution was to cut the three highest paid employee's pay by 50% (we only have 11 employees). I am one of them. My husband went nuts because I drive 60 miles for this formerly good part-time job. So, we decided that since I am basically working for insurance, I should turn in my notice.

    I thought my group rate, where I pay 100% of my portion was bad, but wow. I've been on the phone all afternoon.

    In summary, life stinks! I hope GWB falls on a chainsaw on his fake ranch.

    isn't that called (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by english teacher on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:16:40 PM EST
    pulling a nugent?  

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    ?? What's that mean? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:20:23 PM EST
    Should I google it? :)

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    Here you go. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:23:35 PM EST
    Make sure you submit the standardized application form ASAP.  Then you are supposed to be able to get e mail notice of job openings.  But you still need to check the website frequently.

    CA jobs

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    I didn't see any part time accounting jobs! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:31:44 PM EST
    I can't move, but thanks for the thought. I have a mother and a disabled brother to check on. Plus my husband has a landscaping business he couldn't move. He said he'd sell his customized motorcycle before he'd let me do the year end accounting for that butt head.

    His solution is to give me a small monthly allowance to learn how to day trade. lol, oculus, I know nothing about the stock market. All I know is it is going down down down.

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    This? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:26:46 PM EST
    You cannot lift the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer.

    That sounds backwards to me.

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    lol (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by english teacher on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:29:15 PM EST
    i googled it for you:

    http://tinyurl.com/5ojf35

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    LOL! That is so funny. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:33:27 PM EST
    I could see George W doing that, couldn't you? Thanks for the laugh.

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    Good thoughts winging your way. (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:17:34 PM EST
    P.S.  State of California continues to hire, despite dire budget straits. Job announcements are on line.

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    Sh*t (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:32:14 PM EST
    I feel terrible.

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    About Kiffin?? (none / 0) (#58)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:35:07 PM EST
    Thank you BTD. See, if you had listened to me when Hillary was living it up in Puerto Rico and I asked you to find me a job, I wouldn't be in this mess. :)

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    Kiffin you should be happy about (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:37:12 PM EST
    Good day are ahead for the Vols.

    And for your family too.

    You'll see.

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    I hope so. He is enthusiastic for sure. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:44:19 PM EST
    I hope my family is ok. I'm really counting on Obama to help with insurance. I just waited through a 12 month pre-existing and here I go again.

    I just read the BCS article. Sagarin is a idiot. He always ranks the SEC low - I will riot with you. I have actually been a little worried about that all along. It's a Big 12 love year. I hear every commentator say the Gators are the best team right now, and that would be a travesty.

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    an idiot I meant. (none / 0) (#62)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:45:03 PM EST


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    Ugh (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:11:05 PM EST
    Sorry Teresa.

    I'm sure you'll land on your feet.

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    Thanks andgarden. I hope so. Insurance is (none / 0) (#70)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:30:56 PM EST
    my biggest problem. I could stay just for that but our Tax CPA told me she charges $80 and hour if she has to send someone over to do our year end. It sounds like nice revenge to me!

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    heh (none / 0) (#71)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:33:59 PM EST
    Is it possible to freelance in your business?

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    yes and that's what I want to do but I don't (none / 0) (#72)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:38:58 PM EST
    have a clue how to get clients. Any suggestions? Husband is number one. The problem is I know big accounting software and I'm a whiz on Peachtree but a rookie on Quick Books.

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    Well, pick up a copy of Quick Books for Dummies (none / 0) (#73)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:43:10 PM EST
    and give yourself a week to learn it. After that, figure out how much other freelancers charge and undercut them.

    How to find clients. . . Well, I've never done it, but I would look for friends and friends of friends. Oh, and don't be afraid to cold-call small businesses.

    Figure out a pitch that distinguishes what you can do, yeah?

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    Try something like (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:45:14 PM EST
    "Economy got you down? I can help you ____!"

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    I may give it a try. I've been told by users of (none / 0) (#75)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:49:42 PM EST
    both that Peachtree is much harder than Quick Books but it's what I'm used to. We are switching my husband to Quick Books in January so I'll have to learn it.

    I'm going to sleep on it and decide if revenge is worth losing my insurance. My biggest concern is that he knows he will be closing the business and is using me for the next few months to do year end for taxes and then close the doors. I'd rather him pay big bucks for that more for the way he treated the other two than me. They are the brains who own all our patents and he did that to them. What a dummy.

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    Sounds good (none / 0) (#76)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 09:52:56 PM EST
    I know nothing about either, and the basic accounting class I audited last summer bored me to tears. Yours is the kind of job I'm sure other people would love not to have to take care of themselves.

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    I love it. It's like working crossword (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 10:01:37 PM EST
    puzzles or something. I made it all the way through college with straight A's because it just came easy to me.

    My ex-husband make big bucks and I never took the CPA exam because that's not what I planned for my life at that time. Big mistake years later. I worked my way up to make more money than I ever dreamed I would in the corporate world but the stress of 60-70 hour weeks got to me and I quit.

    I'm sure something will come up for me. Nite, and thanks for listening and caring.

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    Ole Miss has recrtuits and a coach (none / 0) (#54)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:29:33 PM EST
    so look aout Bama Auburn and LSU

    There should be a cabinet level position (none / 0) (#67)
    by free the wm3 on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 08:37:52 PM EST
    for the Czar of Sports, and the first Czar should be teh Jeff Van Gundy.

    Today is World AIDS Day (none / 0) (#78)
    by caseyOR on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 10:28:11 PM EST
    It is still a scourge, and in many parts of the world it is a plague. In the USA, African-American women are the fastest growing new infection demographic. And after all these years so many young people are still not practicing safe sex.

    I do hope the new administration promptly puts an end to our murderous policy of wasting $$$$ promoting abstinence to fight AIDS/HIV in Africa. This is another example of the Bush administration basing health policy on religion instead of science.

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