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Posted on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:36:56 PM EST
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Tracey Chapman told us what to do in this 1995 song: start all over and make a new beginning. On November 4, 2008, we did. This is an open thread.

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    Ok (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 12:21:38 AM EST
    I can't help it...the Obama kids are too cute.  

    If only it was as easy as a song... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by citizen53 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 03:04:31 AM EST
    but the problems that were here yesterday will only be worse tomorrow.

    What we need more is just to recognize that it will take a lot of hard work in the trenches, not just the election of one person, to start a long process of repairing the damage we have done going back to Reagan.

    I recommend that this is a better approach than Tracy Chapman's great song.

    I'm amused by the "healing" meme. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 05:55:00 AM EST
    We haven't even begun the exploratory surgery, let alone the excision of the diseased tissue and people are talking "healing"?  Sure, let's just close the incision over the infection and rot and send the patient on their way.  What will we say when the patient shows up septic (systemic infection)in ER?  

    I'm not talking just the federal government.  I remember when people said "We have to get Obama elected first!".  Okay.  Obama has been elected.  Let's talk.  

    You want to see healing - just look at Prop 8.  Maybe this version of big tent democrats can get a minority president elected, but it seems ineffective at protecting other minorities.  I am going to wait.  I am going to wait to see what the state and national response of the Democrats will be.  I hope it isn't another "Who - us?".

    My question is what do we plan on doing in two years.  No, make that one year.  When those petitions are being distributed, I want to see a response then.  That response best not be "Not my problem.".

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    Emmanuel's father on his appointment (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by SarahinCA on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 10:44:16 AM EST
    In an interview with Ma'ariv, Emanuel's father, Dr. Benjamin Emanuel, said he was convinced that his son's appointment would be good for Israel. "Obviously he will influence the president to be pro-Israel," he was quoted as saying. "Why wouldn't he be? What is he, an Arab? He's not going to clean the floors of the White House."

    full article

    Ouch. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 10:57:02 AM EST


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    That's Israel for you. (none / 0) (#10)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 02:28:13 PM EST
    I don't think there is a single nation I know that is more narcissistic.  It's all about Israel because Israel is the mostest important country in da entire world!

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    If we had a euphoria watch, it would be impossible (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jawbone on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 11:25:04 AM EST
    to keep up!

    But, in the Anti-Euphoria Watch, put some bloggers so far, commenters, and Kevin Phillips.

    Kevin Phillips was on Bill Moyers' Journal last night, and he noted the missing player at Obama's press conference Friday--labor. Lots of investor class advisers (plus new chief of staff Emanuel very up front and visible, and VP Biden), but no one from labor. Phillips said Robert Reich sometimes addresses labor issues, but he is not of labor in the way the Banker Boyz and banksters are of the controlling investor class (which does not include workers with money in IRA's and 401K's--we have zero clout; to call us part of the "investor class" is Bizarro World terminology).

    Phillips did not sound very optimistic. In the past he has said it will probably require something as dire as the Great Depression to shake American voters out of their propaganda-filled world view and see that there needs to be real change. So far, this has not been bad enough is what I took from his discussion. Good segment.

    Available as video on the web, with transcript coming soonish.

    Later Friday night on PBS was a euphoria segment on Charlie Rose. Not so interesting as Phillips, but telling in its way. The discussion with 2 historians and one political journalist waxing eloquent in their praise of The One had Michael Beschloss, Alan Brinkley, and David Remnick, all aglow with the joy of Tuesday night in Grant Park--altho' Remnick said that in a week or so journalists would "climb out of the tank" and begin to actually analyze Obama and his actions. (Hey, first time I've heard a journalist admit to being in the tank! He seemed pleased to be there.) Brinkley said Obama was the greatest orator to become president in the last 100 or so years. FDR was "ok" and Reagan was great but didn't write his own words. (Obama does?? And he knows this how? This is from a historian!)

    Video not up yet--and site makes finding transcripts difficult, so I don't now if one will be up. It used to be great for transcripts, but that was some years ago.

    Does anyone know if NBC put out a transcript of its election night coverage? I'd love to read the Tavis Smiley discussion with Tom Brokaw (and Brian Williams?) of how Obama affects race issues going forward.  

    Any video that y'all know of?

    Happy Post-Election Weekend!

    Obama kids = cute; Deborah Howell not so much (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ellis on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 02:00:22 AM EST
    Deborah Howell, the Washington Post's ombudsman has written yet another one of her "The WaPo favored Obama over McCain" columns. The Post really should replace her. I'm sure she means well, but her columns are ridiculous. She really believes (apparently) that if one candidate runs a generally positive campaign with few if any personal attacks and mostly flawless execution, and the other candidate runs an inept, ugly, dishonest campaign based on lies and character assassination that the newspaper's statistics should reveal roughly identical numbers of positive versus negative stories about the two candidates. She's done this before and she never seems to understand the flaws and weaknesses in her arguments.

    She, like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Lieberman, needs to go.

    With Larry Summers, Rahm Emmanuel, Colin Powell? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 07:56:55 AM EST
    start all over and make a new beginning

    I guess 'start all over' means 'go back and repeat'. It sure would be nice if he would pick some fresh, new, progressive faces for his cabinet.

    I have to agree... (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by kdog on Sat Nov 08, 2008 at 09:32:43 AM EST
    a return to Clinton-esque corporate friendly centrism can't be called a fresh start.

    We'll never get a fresh start or profound change electing Democrats and Republicans...the status quo has served them well with heaping portions of power and money. Why rock the gravy boat?  

    Definitely too many insiders and not enough outsiders being mentioned for all the cabinet positions...and that scares me.  

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