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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:26:48 PM EST
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Now beyond parody, Keith Olbermann. Good gawd. Does NBC have no shame anymore?

This is an Open Thread.

The thoughts on Olbermann are solely my own.

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    I think he does this to drum up publicity (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:36:42 PM EST
    Why? Because that's why he does everything else.

    That diary is mostly an incoherent mess IMO, but I didn't take the time to figure out exactly what he was writing about.

    Me! (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Fabian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:48:44 PM EST
    Me! Myself! And my big ego!

    [...googling youtube....]
    Big Time (Peter Gabriel)

    I can't think a more appropriate theme song for KO.

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    I am going to post this in (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by coigue on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:02:21 PM EST
    the comments of his diary. I wonder if anyone will "get it"

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    I open my mouth... (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by white n az on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 05:54:03 PM EST
    to let those big words come right out...

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    Awesomely perfect! (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Burned on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 06:45:41 PM EST
    Made me laugh and laugh.

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    Any champaigne suggestions? (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by CST on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:38:24 PM EST
    We are gathering the family tommorow night to watch the returns.  I need a good, not too expensive bottle of champaigne, and I am personally clueless about such things.

    If it doesn't work out, I'll save it for New Years.  But I hope to be opening it tommorow.

    I am preparing for lots of "loud noises" in my neighborhood tonight, one way or the other - I don't imagine I will be getting much sleep.

    Decide if you want it dry or less dry. (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by Fabian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:41:38 PM EST
    Personally, I don't like champagne but when I do get a bottle, I make sure it is of the less dry variety.  Otherwise, it's only good for making mimosas.

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    Just note that the "less dry" Champagne (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by baked potato on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 06:53:09 PM EST
    is the one called "Extra Dry."  The "more dry" is the type called "Brut."

    To help get your head past that linguistic bind, think of the words "extra dry" in the case of Champagne as meaning "beyond" or "outside-of" dry (i.e., sweet).

    At least that is how it was explained to us some years ago by an experienced tour guide at the late, lamented Hans Kornell winery on Larkmead Lane in Napa County, whose made-in-the-bottle Champagnes were startlingly good. Which I took as testable evidence that the tour guide knew something whereof he spoke.


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    I'm planning to go to an upscale (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by ThatOneVoter on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:42:09 PM EST
    bar which is haunted by the ghost of Reagan, and watch the long faces as the returns come in.

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    Pick up an Italian Prosecco. (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:46:11 PM EST
    Inexpensive, fruity and fun.

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    Hard to drink more than one glass IMO (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:48:02 PM EST
    but some people like sweet. . .

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    Proseccos are generally dry to (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:37:02 PM EST
    slightly off-dry. Not sweet. Plenty of acid to balance the fruit.

    Chill 'em, pop 'em and grin ear to ear!

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    Hmm, maybe I'm thinking (none / 0) (#93)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:44:03 PM EST
    of something else. I seemed to remember my last prosecco tasting like a Riesling.  

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    Many Americans still think Riesling (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 02:02:02 PM EST
    is the sweet drek they drank to excess as a freshman in HS.

    American and German Rieslings these days are generally dry to off-dry, especially the German Kabinett-level and equivalent Austrian and Alsatians.

    The "higher" (more expensive) levels are generally sweet dessert-type wines.

    A bottle of chilled German Kabinett is a perfect refreshment on a hot summer afternoon with friends.

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    Learn something new every day (none / 0) (#97)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 02:05:45 PM EST
    Thanks!

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    No problem. (none / 0) (#99)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    An interest of mine, when I'm not saving the world her on TL. ;-)

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    I think I'll take your advice (none / 0) (#103)
    by CST on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 03:01:58 PM EST
    I love a good Riesling and I certainly agree with your assesment.  Thanks for the tips everyone!

    Stay safe and enjoy the night.  Remember, whoever wins, it won't be Bush/Cheney!  That's something I think even the most hard-core PUMAs can appreciate.  And history will be made tommorow night regardless which party wins - certainly a cause for celebration.

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    um (none / 0) (#112)
    by Nasarius on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 06:00:01 PM EST
    As someone who lives in Germany and likes wine, I gotta say I'm enjoying the €3-4 per 1L Riesling, which is consistently some of the best white wine I've ever had. Sweet? Huh?

    Prosecco is also good, as long as we're not talking about the Paris Hilton endorsed crap.

    Though if you want some pathetically cheap spray-it-around champagne, it's all about Rotkäppchen.

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    No problem. . . (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:38:44 PM EST
    just buy a really big glass.

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    Champagne helmet? (none / 0) (#94)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:44:38 PM EST
    heh.

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    Cheap champagne for a toast (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by magster on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:55:08 PM EST
    and my favorite beer to go with coffee so I can stay up all night and savor the landslide.

    Scenario 2: favorite beer and no coffee (as my nerves will help me stay up all night) until it is called.

    Scenario 3: cheap whiskey and "The Wall" cued up on my DVD player.

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    I'm watching the election returns. . . (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:57:52 PM EST
    at the home of a friend who's a profession brewer.  Two birds with one stone, and all that.

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    My parents house (none / 0) (#51)
    by CST on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:02:40 PM EST
    With all the siblings and some of the cousins who've re-located to Boston.

    I trust them to provide good grub.  I trust myself to provide anything else we may need :)

    I sure hope it doesn't come down to Whiskey...

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    Try an American sparkling wine (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by sher on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:09:54 PM EST
    Schramsberg (sp) or Piper-Sonoma can be reasonable at Trader Joe's

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    A wise man (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Fabian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:40:00 PM EST
    may have cringed a little and laughed a little at the sketch and possibly even pondered the accuracy and relevance of the sketch.  Maybe even written a a brief thank you to Ben Affleck.

    But KO loves to talk about himself almost as much as...er...a lot.  So when an opportunity arises for him to talk about himself, what is he going to do?

    Shut up for once (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:41:20 PM EST
    Honestly, this has to be embarrassing for NBC.

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    Well . . . (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by Spamlet on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:28:41 PM EST
    Honestly, this has to be embarrassing for NBC.

    when did that ever stop (MS)NBC?

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    Balance never hurts... (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by OldCity on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:40:22 PM EST
    as our friends on Fox keep telling us.

    He will never be as much of a buffoon as O'Reilly.  Ever.  

    Aside of that, though his shtick is a bit off-putting at times, I think it's good to see someone, even if engaged in the epitome of self-parody, illustrate to the right exactly what their favorite guys do.  

    The thing about Olbermann is that he does pound on the inconsistencies of the right.  He dissects their message.

    He also helped out Rachel Maddow; she's terrific.  

    Never? (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:41:43 PM EST
    I beg to differ.

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    Well it is sort of six vs a half dozen (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:50:04 PM EST

    KO and Oh Really are both a waste of time and an embarassment to humanity.

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    Obama compared KO to Hannity did he not? (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:52:32 PM EST


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    I would disagree (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:12:13 PM EST

    Hannity is merely a bore.  Ko and Oh Really are am embarassment.

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    I'm not a Presidential campaign (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 02:18:07 PM EST
    Simple answers to simple questions.

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    That is the definitive question. (none / 0) (#98)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 02:10:49 PM EST
    But no one ever answers it.

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    He's already worse than O'reilly. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by ThatOneVoter on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:42:50 PM EST
    was that your point?

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    Fulmer's gone BTD. I guess you heard. (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:44:04 PM EST
    It's a sad day in Vol land for me. I know you say he can't coach, but he's a good man. He loves the school and he does a lot of work for charity.

    On Olbermann, I accidentally ran across a show he had on last night. It was looking back at this whole election. He showed every "attack" Hillary made and Obama's wonderful responses to them all. He didn't show a single thing Obama said about her.

    The way he/they showed the Wright thing made it appear as if she brought it up and not Hannity.

    If I hadn't already voted, that was probably enough to make me bitter and a non-voter.

    Yeah... (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by Thanin on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:46:19 PM EST
    as I was watching it I knew that would happen.  KO just needs to shut up about the primary because he in no way helps.

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    Should be a happy day for you (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:45:56 PM EST
    I was a big fan of Fulmer being the Tennessee coach forever.

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    I'm still sad. I don't think we'll be as lucky (none / 0) (#27)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:48:32 PM EST
    as you were with Meyer. We will get a Zook first.

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    If I was Tennessee (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:50:30 PM EST
    I would go for Leach of Texas Tech.

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    That's who the fans want. Talk about a (none / 0) (#38)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:54:25 PM EST
    strange guy! Could you imagine him and Bruce Pearl in the same room? I'd pay to see that comedy. :)

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    Rich Rodriguez may be available (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:12:22 PM EST
    soon.  First time in 33 years Michigan won't be going to a bowl game.  

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    I truly feel your pain oculus. We put in a (none / 0) (#69)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:15:00 PM EST
    totally different offense this year, too, and the players just don't get it. Or aren't suited for it.

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    I'm not losing any sleep over (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:18:00 PM EST
    Michigan's football fortunes.  But I am empathic for my friend who goes to every home game and a friend her in CA who goes to maybe five Michigan football games each season.

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    I am. The Vols are my #1 obsession. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:23:17 PM EST
    I'm ready for basketball!

    My father started taking me to games when I was a kid. My blood is Big Orange (though some refer to us right now as the "Little Tangerines").

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    BTD, his press conference was (none / 0) (#109)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 04:37:40 PM EST
    heartbreaking. The players all showed up and gave him a standing ovation and then he spoke. He broke down several times. When he finished speaking and left, they gave him another standing O and then left when the school officials started speaking.

    The reporters outside said the players left in tears with some choice words for the media.

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    But BTD must be ecstatic. . . (none / 0) (#25)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:47:21 PM EST
    about this.

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    lol, but they have one of the largest (none / 0) (#34)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:51:11 PM EST
    Gators for McCain groups? Boo BTD.

    Larry, you asked up top if that was a good impression of how Olbermann acts. Yes!

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    Good catch. Funny. (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:39:23 PM EST


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    If you have a vendetta (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:47:21 PM EST
    against an entire presidential campaign, and your show is almost entirely about the presidential race, and on a news network, then yes, you no longer ought to be called a newscaster.  

    Who can read this crap from Keith and second-guess NBC's decision to take him off election night coverage?

    It's a shame (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by andgarden on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:49:41 PM EST
    I liked Keith, Chris, Pat, Joe, and Gene in '06.

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    Attraction (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by lentinel on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:49:07 PM EST
    Keith's obsession with O'Reilly had always lead me to feel that he was drawn to him. Now he has become him.

    reality laps satire (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by coigue on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:57:41 PM EST
    once again (h/t to dhonig)

    I think this is a salient (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:13:44 PM EST
    discussion with the election tomorrow and Obama well in the lead.  What role will Olbermann have over the next four years?  Will he direct his attention to the remaining Republicans?  I mean, really, he could spend the next four years going after the religious right the way O'Reilly goes after liberals no matter how weak or powerful they are.  What can he contribute in terms of the issues and legislation we want to see come to pass in an Obama administration?

    I say this because I've shifted my focus to wondering about how Obama will govern (not that I wasn't thinking about this before, but it's sort of staring us all in the face now).  He is already afraid of disappointing people, so he says, but IMO he hasn't even promised that much.

    He and Maddow (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:16:34 PM EST
    are watched by progessives, they will continue to offer progessives something to watch or they lose ratings.

    Fox is to conservatives, MSNBC is for progressives/liberals (at least Countdown and Maddow are) CNN pretends to try and be neutral.

    Thus I expect Olbermann to be an Obama Administration water carrier as long as it's in his ratings interest.

    the second he thinks ratings will be better attacking Obama he will do so.

    Keith watches his ratings as you can tell by his need to mention every time he beats O'Reilly, where as Rachel cares more about her actual issues discussed then her ratings.

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    He's not for this liberal. He ignores the (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:20:35 PM EST
    Harry and Louise ads, the drift to the right, made excuses for the FISA vote. He is for Obama supporters, not all liberals/progressives.

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    either way we agree I think (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:23:31 PM EST
    he will be an Obama Administration water bearer.

    and i think he does so as long as it's in his ratings interests. though I think he let FISA pass only to help get him elected.

    i think once he is elected KO will have no issues pandering to progressives to keep their viewership.

    I actually like Rachel so much more because she WOULDN'T make excuses she will call out an Obama administration when she sees fit too.

    Thank goodness she has her own show! the last 8 years would have been so different if we had her in 2000

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    I'm happy (in a perverse way) (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:23:59 PM EST
    Jeralyn's link to the list of catch phrases from this campaign season included "FISA."  

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    Exactly. (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:27:53 PM EST
    It's like saying, "He's a great football reporter!  But he only likes the Giants."  This Eagles fan won't be watching that.

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    I like Maddow now but (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by sallywally on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 07:54:26 PM EST
    can't watch Olbermann.

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    Olbermann DK diary seems (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:15:59 PM EST
    to be a teaser to persuade DKers to watch tonight when he reveals the line Palin's people requested be changed.  Successful?  Baseball's done for this year.  Football?

    Olbermann takes the bait too easily. (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Joelarama on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:20:07 PM EST
    What an ego the man has.  He's going to take a big fall at some point.

    Two different disconcerting comments (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:23:53 PM EST
    in today's NYT: (l) in an op-ed article by Robert Rubin and Jared Bernstein on economic and fiscal advice for the next president, the following was, curiously,  sort of slipped in to an otherwise straight forward presentation: ".."we could improve our personal savings rate and expand retirement security by establishing some kind of individualized account separate from Social Security, financed  by an appropriate revenue measure". Not real sure of what they meant, but if this is the failed Bush idea (Wall Street still wants to get its hands on all that money), the timing is not the best, especially for Florida voters.  (2) On the editorial page, Carol Giacomo reports on a disturbing study underway by has beens Bob Dole, Howard Baker, Tom Daschle and George Mitchell to devise policy solutions both parties might embrace on Iran's nuclear weapons ambitions, including (maybe even especially) a military option.  Hopefully, this is just a retirement gig for these guys to secure foundation funding for "bipartisan policy development", but it does not smell too good.

    Which of these guys is not like (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:26:16 PM EST
    the others?  George Mitchell.  Say it ain't so, George.

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    KO has made his point, and now (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by scribe on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:30:03 PM EST
    he needs to dial it back from "Eleven" so he can be heard.

    And he needs to recognize that the first few of his "Special Comments" - where he was restrained, logical, and incisive - were far more effective than some of his later rants.

    You can accomplish a lot without shouting, not the least of which is reminding people that you can communicate in a tone other than shouting.  When you do that, you tend to succeed.

    After all, when was the last time Obama shouted?  McSame?  And who's more effective?

    As to election night returns - assuming I make it home - I'll do like I did (unintentionally) in 2006.  That night, my cable system lost sound, and I zapped around and found the boys at Faux were up all night bemoaning their and the Rethugs' fates.  The expressions on their faces - without sound - were worth the price of admission.  Especially when you consider that one of the movie stations was airing this silent classic at the same time.  The faces and expressions on the one station were almost as scared and scary as the faces and expressions on the other.

    For toasts - keep it light.  You don't want a hangover Wednesday, because there will be a lot of work to do.  I'm going with a nice bottle of Radeberger in a nice glass, I think.

    O.K. Let's go back to (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:41:29 PM EST
    Palin.

    No. Let's not. (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Fabian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 04:37:02 PM EST
    The only thing I want to know about Palin is when she announces her next run for whatever.  I find it hard to believe we've seen the last of her, but I'm so tired of finding something new to comPalin about.

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    well (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by connecticut yankee on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 02:23:31 PM EST
    I enjoy Olbermann as entertainment though I like Rachel more.  I watch them both a few times a week.

    Talking head shows will never be as popular with the left as the right.  They prefer being lectured to. I'd rather do my own monologue.

    Rachel Maddow may eclipse him (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by MKS on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 03:04:28 PM EST
    She is conducting interviews of some pretty heavy weight folks....She likes having conservativs on the show, and her calm sparring with David Frum showed that she can think on her feet.....

    She looks more and more like a serious journalist, and has an easy, whimsical manner....

    I saw part of the SNL sketch. . . (none / 0) (#1)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:29:55 PM EST
    this morning before leaving for work.

    It was pretty funny, but I've never watched Olbermann.  Was it "on"?

    I did not watch it (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:33:19 PM EST
    I am talking about a news division allowing one of its anchors to write a post like that.

    What next? A talking points memo segment?

    Could he become anymore like O'Reilly?

    They are going to have to take him off of Sunday Night football soon.

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    Watch the sketch. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:36:14 PM EST
    I imagine a good many more people saw it than watch Olbermann's show.  I think you might enjoy it -- it certainly makes the same point (the New O'Reilly) as you do.

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    It gives me no pleasure (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:43:37 PM EST
    We do not need a new O'Reilly, we need a good newsperson.

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    It was hilarious (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by magster on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:46:06 PM EST
    Olbermann had to have been stung badly by the skit.

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    Green-eyed Armando (none / 0) (#36)
    by JaneKnowles on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:51:39 PM EST
    Pay Armando no mind. He's just jealous, Larry. He feels like Keith stole the spot righteously owned by him.

    ; )

    Long time no chat, btw. How're you two???

    p.s. How bout them Gators, A??

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    I'd take his paycheck (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:57:09 PM EST
    for sure but I flatter myself that my ability to be honest exceeds his.

    How have you been?

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    Been good (none / 0) (#53)
    by JaneKnowles on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:04:24 PM EST
    Thanks for asking. Doing lots of reading and little to no commenting. I've followed your writing here a bit. Lol, entertaining as always. And though I miss the cork-popping flame wars of yore, I imagine you're better off w/out them.

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    Much better (none / 0) (#58)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:07:01 PM EST
    Larry and I have our fights here. He is still shilling for Bloomberg.

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    lol! (none / 0) (#62)
    by JaneKnowles on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:09:56 PM EST
    I thought about your famous flamer w/ Larry over Bloomberg when I was writing the post. That was a top-ten classic.

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    If I were shilling. . . (none / 0) (#81)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:25:20 PM EST
    there'd be something in it for me.  I can't even get a parking ticket fixed!  (And there's a hell of a lot more parking tickets with Bloomberg in office, too).

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    OMG--thousands more (none / 0) (#87)
    by JaneKnowles on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:34:09 PM EST
    If we could run the education dept as efficiently as the dept. of meter maids, we'd be No. 1 in the nation.

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    Hey "Jane". (none / 0) (#45)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:58:32 PM EST
    Where you been?

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    Immersed (none / 0) (#57)
    by JaneKnowles on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:05:45 PM EST
    in my son's world of travel baseball--volunteering and all that. Crazy summer. Still in BK. You still Uptown?

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    Yes, still uptown. (none / 0) (#86)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:33:53 PM EST
    Beginning to think about middle schools for my older daughter.

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    PS. . . (none / 0) (#7)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:38:38 PM EST
    I imagine you, he, and Sirota will be on the same side of the "Democratic mandate" argument.

    Perhaps you guys could do a show together?  Like The View, but with guys.

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    The View, but with guys? (5.00 / 8) (#71)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:16:04 PM EST
    I believe they call that show "Meet The Press".

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    I doubt that (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:40:02 PM EST
    The man is an idiot. A rich idiot to be sure (like O'Reilly) but an idiot nonetheless.

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    he's a self-aggrandizing arm waver. (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by coigue on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:59:35 PM EST
    not a newsman.

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    Spot on (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by rdandrea on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:35:33 PM EST
    I used to like Olbermann at one time.  It was the only anti-Bush show on TV (at least in a time slot when I'm normally awake).

    Then he started with the "Special Comments" and the show quickly switched from mildly entertaining to pure demagoguery.

    I'm so over Keith.  Go Rachel!

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    the king is dead (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by coigue on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:00:10 PM EST
    long live the queen

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    Watching her right now! nt (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by sallywally on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 08:15:32 PM EST


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    It was hilarious! (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by coigue on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:58:03 PM EST


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    It was so on target (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:14:30 PM EST
    that even a freeze frame of Affleck on video looked just like the freeze frames of KO, right down to the expression in his eyes. Devastating.

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    Massachusetts under Mitt Romney (none / 0) (#18)
    by Demi Moaned on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:44:13 PM EST
    Here's the link for those who have not yet seen the SNL sketch.

    I didn't see it either (none / 0) (#22)
    by ChrisO on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:46:19 PM EST
    but am I to understand from his diary that Ben Affleck apologized for spoofing him? How disappointing if he did.

    And really, can he be more dramatic about the fact that Palin wanted a joke changed? When Obama goes on SNL, do his people say "Just write whatever you want and he'll say it"? I doubt it.

    In fact. . . (none / 0) (#30)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:49:16 PM EST
    When Obama goes on SNL, do his people say "Just write whatever you want and he'll say it"? I doubt it.

    All hosts, not just politicians, have control of the material they participate in and veto power over stuff they don't like.

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    KO was skewered (none / 0) (#35)
    by JThomas on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:51:28 PM EST
    by his own sister network and takes it in good humor. What would O'Reilly's reaction be? He would blow a gasket. I watch both and O'Reilly clearly is the more irrational when criticized.
    Sure, KO has a big ego also,but he has can poke fun of himself,something rarely seen in O'Reilly.

    As far as a news anchor doing blogs...KO is not an anchor. He is an opinion pundit. O'Reilly is on the radio everyday..what is the difference? Hannity,Dobbs..a bunch of them are on radio and get much more aggressive in that medium than on tv.
    KO can be obnoxious,no doubt, but when no one else on TV was pointing out that the emporer had no clothes, KO was hammering the Bush administration. That earns him some credit in my book.

    What good humor? (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:54:51 PM EST


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    I believe. . . (none / 0) (#47)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 12:59:38 PM EST
    that Olbermann has not taken offense at the SNL impression of him that made him look like a raving maniac.

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    He IS a raving maniac Larry. I'll bet he did (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:01:28 PM EST
    take offense.

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    Has not taken public offense (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:05:37 PM EST
    I think this is a bit of a tantrum about it frankly.

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    C'mon, (none / 0) (#52)
    by OldCity on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:03:47 PM EST
    you have to give him something.  As I wrote before, he's certainly moved into the realm of self-parody.  But I don't think we can ignore what went before.  KO made some positive contributions to the discourse before he lost his mind.  Look back and find me a critical voice like his when he started.

    I'll grant he's certainly become self-indulgent, but that's the potential pratfall that awaits anyone given a platform.  

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    I'll give him what he did (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:05:09 PM EST
    Finish Drudge (as I wrote here), no small thing.

    He did not show good humor on the SNL thing. Indeed, this seems to be a tantrum about it really.

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    The good thing he did (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by ruffian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:42:26 PM EST
    Was get guests critical of the Bush administration on his show that the other shows would not get.  I do applaud that.  But even then his questions to those guests were self-aggrandizing and pompous.  The minute the guest was off, I turned off the show.  Now I don't bother watching it at all.

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    I suppose if you consider (none / 0) (#64)
    by Fabian on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:11:19 PM EST
    running for the Senate self indulgent, then you can lump Al Franken in.

    (Which cable buffoon was it who wants to run for the Senate?)

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#106)
    by JThomas on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 03:19:29 PM EST
    we will see tonite if he plays it and jokes about himself. If he ignores it,then maybe he is privately upset. If he lashes out at SNL..then you are 100% correct.

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    As I suspected (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by JThomas on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 08:06:13 PM EST
    KO mocked himself and congratulated Affleck on the parody of KO on SNL...and he showed plenty of it.

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    Well, good for him! (none / 0) (#120)
    by sallywally on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST
    Glad to hear it. Maybe there is hope he will eventually recover from foolishness...well, isn't there always hope?

    He was practically the only one who kept on dogging the story about election hacking/voter suppression in Ohio in 2004. That was important to me, I'm an Ohio voter.

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    The McCain campaign (none / 0) (#55)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:05:31 PM EST
    took a jab at him first,

    hell it were me I would hit back also,

    why is it Keith's fault? a day before the election the McCain campaign should have known better, they wanted to hit him, so they wanted to start this tiff.

    A serious news person (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:08:01 PM EST
    would not.

    An O'Reilly type would.

    See my point?

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    ahhh (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by TruthMatters on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:09:27 PM EST
    ok, I see what you are talking about.

    yeah I guess i never considered that because yeah Keith isn't a serious news person, he is a tv personality, like O'Reilly.

    ok got it now.

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    Obama took one at him last week. (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Teresa on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:10:42 PM EST
    I'm still waiting on a special comment for comparing him to Hannity. What a low down slam Obama! Have you no shame, sir???

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    Unfair to O'Liely (none / 0) (#80)
    by kaleidescope on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:24:00 PM EST
    At least Bill O the Clown has people on his show who disagree with him.  Olbermann just has props on whose function is to say, "yes" at the end of Olbermann's ridiculous rhetorical questions.

    Both shows are about equally boring, though.

    Report Clears Palin (none / 0) (#116)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 07:46:06 PM EST
    in Troopergate Probe.

    man, can't you get over it? (none / 0) (#121)
    by indesq on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 10:36:32 PM EST
    Every one of your posts is the constant theme of how everyone was unfair to the clintons, and KO is just part of that group.
    Olberman is a commentator, not a "serious news" reporter.  The plain fact is that I (and it appears most everyone else on this subject) had no idea what your issue with Olberman was.

    He commented on the McCain campaign being absorbed with zinging KO rather than winning the election?  I'd comment as well.

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