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    Livestock or Therapy Animal? (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by squeaky on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:50:19 PM EST
    A dispute has erupted in Caledon, Ont., over whether a family with a child with cerebral palsy should be allowed to keep a pony.

    Three-year-old Sam Spiteri was born with a form of cerebral palsy that makes it hard for him to do ordinary tasks such as walk, hold toys, eat or speak.

    The youngster has been riding his miniature pony, Emily, since he was an infant.

    [...]

    Sam's grandfather bought him the pony because the youngster experiences seizures, making it almost impossible to take him on long car trips to a riding facility elsewhere.

    According to the Ontario Cerebral Palsy Foundation, equestrian therapy "improves balance, co-ordination, strength and muscle tone, while gently mobilizing the joints."

    link

    Seems like a therapy pony to me.

    There are certified ponies (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by nycstray on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 02:39:04 PM EST
    iirc, one is a guide/helper pony.

    Antonia Spiteri says Sam's pediatrician suggested the riding therapy, and they have seen an improvement in his posture.

    "Bouncing from riding her triggers the muscles to stiffen and contract, so that when he rides her, he gets better posture and makes it easier for those muscles to learn those types of things. And then he is better with possibly walking in the future," she said.

    "When his posture is better, it's easier for him to perform simple tasks such as feeding himself. It also helps with speech."

    I can't remember what program I was watching, but they showed a CP (?) child riding for therapy and then walking without her walker directly after.

    If the neighbors say it "smells", seems to me there could be another solution aside from taking away a therapy pony. Change how they clean up after Emily, perhaps?

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    Hey, if there are dog poo services (none / 0) (#19)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 03:09:15 PM EST
    that come and clean up after your canine, certainly someone should be willing to clean up horse poo.  It would have to be done on a daily basis since herbivores crank out a greater quantity than carnivores.

    I have to side with the family on this one.  When you have a disabled child, anything that makes them more active and capable is precious.  

    (I'm researching adaptive tricycles for my son.  AMBUCS looks good and it's just one source.)

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    Tryke Looks Good (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by squeaky on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 03:13:21 PM EST
    Although wouldn't a pony be better, or is that not an option?

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    My son isn't that disabled. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 03:41:35 PM EST
    He's got a bicycle with training wheels, but it's now obvious that he won't master a two wheeler.  Mostly it's balance problems.

    So I want to go to trikes to remove the balance issue and I knew they made adult recumbent trikes (tres cool) but didn't know who made kid sized trikes or where you could them.  So I've been looking and various internet folks have been pointing me here and there.  Now I just have to start finding brick and mortar places to lay my hands on real machines.  Our local hospital will let us see some Amtrykes, but I'm still looking for other models.

    As for a pony...the priciest machine I've seen is $1,300 and that wouldn't cover the purchase price of a pony and needed equipment/shelter/fencing.  Animals are expensive!  

    Going to look for a machine for my son that will both help him get moving and maybe even let him play with the neighbor kids on their bikes.  (Now trying to find out if any of these trikes have adjustable versus fixed geared drives.)

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    Good Luck (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by squeaky on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 04:08:39 PM EST
    Sounds like your son is lucky to have such a wonderful parent like you around. The machine looks really cool.

    And I assume that you are neither rich or have the space to house a pony, but it is a really good therapy on many levels, both physical and mental. No comparison to a machine, for what you are hoping for, anyway.

    The cost of a good pony can be the same or higher than a horse. Expect prices for suitable first ponies to be about $1000 and upwards.

    link

    Of course there is food, medical and dental etc... Oh well, can't say I did not try...

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    I lied. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 04:07:44 PM EST
    The priciest one comes in at about three grand which is still cheaper than buying and keeping a pony for a couple years.

    Found an adaptive bicycle with seriously sturdy training wheels and three speeds.  Most of the trikes are fixed gear until you get to adult versions.  Fixed gear is good for learning and having fun but I'm aiming for family rides.

    (Imagine the cost of boarding enough equine talent for family rides!)

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    Fixed gear (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Burned on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 05:40:04 PM EST
    I recall FLYING on mine.
    Except I had to stand up and pedal on hills.
    So nevermind.
    I liked the trike that turns into a tandem or a trailer that someone on dkos pointed you to.
    It had a definite cool factor and looked less like it would tip over.


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    Recumbents have a nice low (none / 0) (#29)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 05:49:57 PM EST
    center of gravity.

    It does mean that he would have to have an escort on the roads because I have seen the way people drive.  I commuted for years on a bike.  The only thing that ticked me off more than half-a-brain drivers were cyclists who didn't obey the laws.

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    There are lots of bikers out where I live, and (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by DeborahNC on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 01:40:19 AM EST
    you're right about the bikers who don't follow the laws. Some of the drivers tend to get impatient with the bikers anyway, but when the bikers do something stupid, then it puts them more at risk. I've seen some drivers become so livid, I thought they were going to run over the biker.

    The main problem is when biking clubs ride together in a pack and don't try to move over a bit when they're obstructing traffic.

    We don't live in the city and the landscape and scenery out where I live make it a popular route for bikers. For the most part, both parties are mutually respectful, but if the drivers and/or bikers aren't law-abiding, it can cause serious problems.

    But, biking is such great exercise, and I loved it as a kid. I hope that you can find your son a trike or bike that he will enjoy.

    For me, it was so liberating, because I felt more independent and had a sense of accompishment. But the best part was how much FUN it was. I can still feel the wind blowing through my hair as I whizzed about on my bike.

    But horses are great too. I loved riding horses, and with horses, you do have a relationship, really a bond, with the animal. But you're right, owning and taking care of horses is costly and lots of responsibility.

    I feel certain that whatever choice you make will be the right one, because your love for your son makes his well-being your first priority. Good luck!


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    Bad whatevers give the rest (none / 0) (#39)
    by Fabian on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 04:42:02 AM EST
    a bad reputation.  Even cyclists who follow the laws can have terrible habits from a driver's point of view.  If there is vehicle parking along the road, a cyclist who moves right into gaps where there are no vehicles and then back out again close to traffic when they encounter parked vehicles are behaving unpredictably.  Better to be predictable and visible than to do something that makes you feel safer, but actually makes you less safe.

    Worst moment on a bike was when I was crossing an overpass with a vicious crosswind that threatened to push me sidewards just as a transit bus passed me.  Usually I have no problem with buses, but between the two I was having problems staying upright.  Hint: walk the bike next time!

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    Since you're a bicyclist, I think that you would (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by DeborahNC on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 05:59:16 AM EST
    have enjoyed hearing a recent story on National Public Radio. I forgot the name of the show, but apparently they had been conducting a series of reports about people with or having had interesting jobs.

    The interview that I heard was with a guy who took a job as a bike-riding delivery person in downtown Chicago without knowing the city and during a time of very bad weather.

    He had multiple harrowing adventures to share, with several incidences almost having been fatal. Nevertheless, it was a fascinating story--one that a bicylist would really appreciate.

    He gave up the job only when his wife became pregnant. Very interesting!

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    Having lived in both Cleveland (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Fabian on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 08:32:51 AM EST
    and the Snow Belt of NE Ohio, I can imagine what it must be like riding in the winter in Chicago.

    Riding downtown is actually not all that bad.  Traffic is slow and boring and usually bikes have the advantage.  Add in snow and ice on the road, shrinking or vanishing lanes, variable visibility, the wind pushing, pulling and freezing you, and cars going not only backward, forward but sidewards as well and every block becomes another stinking learning experience.

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    If there's an older child(ren) (none / 0) (#21)
    by nycstray on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 03:36:01 PM EST
    in the family, they could do it for an "allowance" chore. My sister and I did all sorts of things to earn our allowance. And also did jobs outside the home at a young age such as caring for yards and pets.

    Don't some people offer up their horse poo for free if you haul it away?

    I def side with the family. It seems there are things that can be done instead of jumping to the extreme here. The welfare of the child should be more important than a knee jerk reaction.

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    I Bet They (none / 0) (#25)
    by squeaky on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 04:10:46 PM EST
    The neighbor is worried about his or her property values going down, less about the smell.

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    Complaining neighbor (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Burned on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 05:23:55 PM EST
    has a small cow farm bordering his/her property according to the child's mother.
    Ms Spiteri said both her family and the complaining neighbour border on a cattle farm, and can’t understand how the smell was traced to Emily.
    ‘‘The cows go right up to their property too. We thought, ‘You’re kidding – seven cows to one miniature pony?’ We were quite shocked by what we thought was a joke at first.”

    “We already had problems with the neighbour harassing us throughout the summer about bonfires on our property,’’ said Ms. Spiteri. ‘‘We thought ‘Oh, they’ve been told they can’t complain about that, so this is the new avenue they’re taking’.”

    National Post
    I think there's something else afoot here that is much bigger than a mini pony.

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    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 05:54:25 PM EST
    The Spiteris will appear before the Caledon committee of adjustment Dec. 10 to ask for an exception because of Sam's special circumstances. It costs $800 to appear before the committee. Ms. Spiteri said she received an e-mail from town council Tuesday afternoon about an additional $345 required to circulate their application for an exception to the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority.

    what is THIS all about?  

    I hope the Spiteris win.  That picture in the other article is really affecting.  Kid seems so happy.  Hard to fathom the level of @ssholeness their neighbors seem to be operating on.  

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    i see that CITGO, (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:42:10 PM EST
    owned by the government of venezuela, is again this year offering heating fuel oil assistance to the state of alaska. very noble of them, and i have no doubt the rural poor of the state appreciate it.

    so, this begs the obvious question: in a state that produces a goodly hunk of america's native oil capacity, how come a foreign government has to step in, and provide the help these people need?

    it is estimated that the cost of heating fuel oil in the lower 48 will be approx. 2.50 to 2.75 a gallon this winter. for alaskans (who signed delivery contracts during the summer), it will be anywhere from $7 to $9 per gallon.

    where is gov. palin while this is going on?

    Handing out $1200 checks to every (none / 0) (#16)
    by nycstray on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 02:49:29 PM EST
    man, woman and child in Alaska  ;)

    This is an issue in the NE also. Many locked their prices in while the rates were going up quickly and are stuck paying the higher locked price.

    CITGO also offers fuel here. I think the problem may be with the oil companies. Oil companies control what they do with the product, just like farmers.

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    Our utility co. locked in (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 03:03:55 PM EST
    high and has a petition pending to PUC to up the rates. Explanation:  so sorry.

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    Krugman (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:42:11 PM EST
    Explains the continued importance of Keynes:
    [I]n the long run, it turns out, Keynes is anything but dead.

    heh.

    Cultural alert: first Met radio (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 12:52:45 PM EST
    broadcast is on now.  The Damnation of Faust, by Berlioz, conducted by Maestro Levine, with Susan Graham, Marcello Giodani, and John Relyea.  Streaming live on KUSC-FM.  

    If you like the work (none / 0) (#4)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:02:58 PM EST
    look up an old recording of it with Seiji Ozawa and the BSO.  I know it's a terrific recording, I sang in the chorus.  Ozawa started doing this piece way back in something like 1971 and went back to it a number of times during his BSO tenure.  Wonderful music, great for singers, fantastic for chorus, show-off for the orchestra, fun for the conductor.

    And if I can get away with dropping one more name, the new chorus master at the Met, Donald Palumbo, is an old friend of mine, though we lost touch after he went to the Chicago Lyric.  He's really been revitalizing the Met chorus, which badly needed it.

    Curious to hear what you think of the piece and the performance.

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    I was fortunate (very!) to (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:15:30 PM EST
    see Damnation at the Met a couple weeks ago.  I was quite convinced, after reading NYT article about the production, projections, technology, etc., I would detest the production but love the music, as I am a huge fan of Levine and Graham.  But, in reality, the producction was quite interesting and didn't annoy me at all.  Did woory about Graham ascending a very tall ladder to get to paradise.

    Ozawa's return to the Met, after many years absence, to conduct Queen of Spades   got mixed reviews.  Martin Bernheimer was underwhelmed.  If he unequivocally praises any performance, that's the one I want to hear; and actually have, a couple times.  Lucia Pope comes to mind.

    At Thanksgiving dinner I met a woman whose retirement plans included joining a choral group.  Didn't work out, even though she reads music "a little" and took class voice lessons at community college.  But her husband says her work in watercolor class is beautiful.

    I passed on BSO in November as there was a guest conductor and the program was Carmina Burana. Kind of regret I didn't make the effort.

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    Russian opera (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:31:46 PM EST
    is another area Ozawa championed long before anyone else in this country.  We did Eugene Onegin in English translation back in 74, I think, and then in Russian some years later with the awesome Galina Vishnevskaya and the sublime Nicolai Gedda.

    But Ozawa, for reasons I've never understood, has always been sniffed at by major market critics in this country.  I think they developed ODS early on and have never gotten over it.  The main critic in Boston once actually said in print that Ozawa's arms were too short to conduct Bruckner properly.

    I have to say, I was horrified by the description of the Berlioz production in the Times, but I'm a bit of a purist about the piece.  Staging it is troublesome to begin with because there's zero action, but if you insist on doing it, giant video close-ups don't strike me as a good way to go.

    I'm glad to see genuine artistic experimentation, even if it fails, but this struck me as one more of those desperate and doomed to fail attempts to attract younger audiences by being psuedo-hip.  Yech.  Trust the material.  If it isn't good enough to carry itself without gimmicks, don't do it at all.


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    Ozawa was a wunderkind to the critics (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:37:18 PM EST
    early on; but it faded for them.  I understand his popularity in Japan remains unmatched though.

    LePage is also producing the new Ring cycle for the Met.  Can't be much hokier than Gergiev's production; beautiful music making though.

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    Ozawa never got (none / 0) (#15)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 02:41:42 PM EST
    good reviews artistically in Boston and New York that I ever saw, so there wasn't anything to "sour."  There was always a veiled but clear undercurrent of distaste at the idea of an Asian having the effrontery to conduct the classics of Western European music (ie, his "arms are too short" to conduct Bruckner properly).

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    i've been less fortunate (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by cpinva on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:50:05 PM EST
    I was fortunate (very!) to see Damnation at the Met a couple weeks ago.

    to watch the damnation of my country for the past 8 years. i'll be thrilled when the curtains close on that show for the last time.

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    You would love the ending of the (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:55:41 PM EST
    current production.  All the bad guys (male chorus members) are shirtless and roasting in flames.

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    I'm glad I didn't witness this. (none / 0) (#6)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:29:20 PM EST
    The incident triggered a separate police investigation into a dispatcher's handling of a 9-1-1 caller who reported seeing one man beat another on Woodridge Avenue and dump a body in a truck July 16.

    The caller, a neighbor, had no license plate and reported the truck had left so the dispatcher told the caller to phone police when the truck returned.

    [LINK]

    The story is that one man caught another trying to break into his house and attacked and killed him.

    Now if I had seen that and called dispatch and been told "Call us when the truck comes back.", I would be somewhere between less than pleased and hysterical.  I wasn't thrilled when I found out how few "shots fired" reports were investigated when the Ohio highway shooter was at large.  (I called a shots fired report in myself once.  No, dear dispatcher, it was not "a car backfiring".)   But when someone reports an assault and possibly more and gets all but blown off, something is not right.

    If 911 blows you off, the alternative is (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 05:47:43 PM EST
    to ask for a supervisor, or call back immediately and most likely you'll get a different dispatcher. Either way, ramp it up in the retelling so they're more compelled to react appropriately.

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    Good advice. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 08:08:11 PM EST
    Although if this is the first time you've ever called 911, the odds are good your mindset is "Help me, d@mmit!" not "Can I talk to your supervisor?".

    The emergency responders absolutely need dispatchers to do their jobs properly or the public might decide to try to do it for them.   I prefer vigilantes to stay in my comic books and graphic novels.

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    The alternative is for the caller to (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:38:45 PM EST
    have followed the truck; not recommended.

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    i'm sure they were quite busy. (none / 0) (#12)
    by cpinva on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 01:51:56 PM EST
    besides, it's a judgment call, they have only fractions of a second to decide. if you say anything bad about them, you won't be able to find anyone who'll be willing to take the job.

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    Not sure if "Call us back" (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Fabian on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 02:58:10 PM EST
    is ever the correct response for an emergency dispatcher to use.

    It's the dispatcher's job to take the call as seriously as possible.  I've gotten some skepticism from both police dispatch and 911 dispatch, but I got the impression that they were trying to take me seriously.  Dispatchers should be free to ask whatever questions they need to help clarify the situation.

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    Can this vacation be over soon? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 09:51:23 PM EST
    I love my husband (a lot, more than any other person I've known), but he thinks that every winger at work voicing "concerns" deserves a thoughtful respectful answer.  A winger he shares a lot of time with wants to know how Obama is bringing any change when he is picking all Clinton people, isn't that just repeating?  I'm posting this in a an attempt to turn my mouth off.  I'm venting to the power greater than myself.  After eight years of what we have all who are here managed to survive, having Clintonites running stuff is an enormous change isn't it?  Obama isn't even President yet but if they want to see some change just wait until he's THE DECIDER (that sounded vengeful didn't it?).  I have never liked the term concern troll either but here I am in my own kitchen telling him that a troll is a troll is a troll, an antisocial monster trying to shake you down for having two neurons that talk to each other help me, I can't shut up.  My husband looks wounded, wants to know why I'm so upset....he just wants to know what to say to these people I swear to God my brain fell out on the floor and started ranting.  More definitions of what a troll is, something about how if you burn the whole forest down and you have no seedlings of your own and the best you can do is start making an analysis of my seedlings while everything continues to burn, then you need to just F off.  I tell him if he wants to know what needs to be said to these people he needs to write down our home number and give it to them telling them that this person will answer their questions.  I tell him the only reason why these idiots come to him with this crap is because he listens to it and treats it as if it is has worth.  He went out to his shop, and I have nothing DEEP to say to "these people" or their ambassador.  Can we just all go back to work tomorrow and nobody gets to talk to each other here in the South until after inauguration?  

    Sounds like your husband (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 10:47:32 PM EST
    works with a bunch of jokers.

    It reminds me of when, right after Sarah Palin was picked, someone at my office actually said, "but you know, Obama doesn't have any experience either."  This coworker made my head want to explode.  

    They are the same kind of stupid gotcha games that overlook all the extremely significant policy and worldview differences that really make me happy Obama won.  Imagine the sort of things Palin would've been willing to authorize re: the war on terror, and the sort of things she would be put up to say about it.  Changing our political culture of compulsively misleading liars is most important.  And why value cast novelty over a revival of 8 years of peace and prosperity???

    Plus Obama does have fresh blood ready to work its way up and become more experienced in the first years of his admin.  Melody Barnes for ex.  Susan Rice.  It's great this winger wants more new progressive faces though! :P

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    He works with other military officers (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 10:52:41 PM EST
    ALWAYS a winger rich environment.  I have a bit of concern myself to express.  How intelligent is military intelligence when most everyone working in M.I. has to pull their water cooler talking points off of Fox News?

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    I had always been told (none / 0) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 12:29:02 AM EST
    That military intelligence fell under the same category as jumbo shrimp and plastic glass but I try to keep that to myself in the midst of a military gathering.

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    At this time in our country's history (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 11:57:55 AM EST
    military intelligence IS an oxymoron.  It isn't just a cute cocktail hour joke.  It is real right now.  Our militay intel is run by a bunch of morons getting high with Rush!  Out with the wingers.......GET OUT.......no more coo coo for cocoa puffs!

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    No they do not deserve a thoughtful (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Fabian on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 05:02:15 AM EST
    answer.

    If all they are is "Clinton retreads" to these people, then explaining why being a clinton retread is not a bad thing isn't the way to go.  It's going on the defensive.

    They just want to pick on Obama.  I suppose the best way to derail them is to say simply "Oh.  So who do you think would be the best pick for that position?".  You need to do this with real interest and sincerity because you want to flatter this person.  Their opinion is important to you.  You really want to know what they think.

    Now, they might dodge the question and continue the carping or they might actually try to come up with an answer.  Maybe they'll realize that they don't know much more than the latest media narrative.  But it beats going on the defensive and explaining who these people are and what their record and qualifications are....just to have the winger say "But what about This Other Guy?".

    I'd probably be tempted to say "Better than Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/_!", but that's just a tit for tat response.

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    Have him tell them (none / 0) (#33)
    by CoralGables on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 10:40:12 PM EST
    Anything without Bush is change for the good.

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    So (none / 0) (#36)
    by lilburro on Sat Nov 29, 2008 at 11:18:47 PM EST
    what are the next big blog battles everyone?  

    I think getting Obama to prosecute the people involved in denying prisoners their rights under the Geneva Conventions (and other later, stricter laws passed on the subject of torture in this country) is going to be one of the most important.  

    What else comes to mind?  The economy?  A new HOLC?

    The economy. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Fabian on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 04:48:40 AM EST
    It will become obvious this year where the fallout will hit the hardest and people will start hollering.

    Went to Cleveland for Turkey Day and the there's a certain mood in the local news like they know the cavalry is not coming and they are on their own.  The Rust Belt has been in this type of situation over and over again.  The areas that haven't suffered previously or have been riding high on the building boom will be in shock.  I expect a lot of hollering from them.

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    Crap, I had better just bake stuff (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 12:09:08 PM EST
    make some stuff.....furniture out of yard trimmings.  When it comes to the economy and solutions I have little patience for those who refuse to realize that we didn't get here overnight so you can't fix this overnight.  I also have little patience for people who do not understand recapitalization through new jobs and new tech verses recapitalizing faux assets.  Both things will come for our money, both of them will cost us.  The first will heal the economy from the foundation up, the second will do nothing but eat our money and it will not heal our economy because our economy needs tangible health, not health on paper.  We made up a whole bunch of that and then we insured what we made up and that's how we got here.  By God we were nuts for awhile.

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