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RIP Alan Colmes, who has died after a short illness. He really was a gentleman, who never needed to shout to get his views across. It was always a pleasure to appear on Hannity & Colmes back in the days when Fox at least wanted to appear to be fair and balanced.

I'll be back to blogging this weekend, in the meantime, here's a new open thread, all topics welcome.

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    From (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:36:40 AM EST
    you can't make this sht up department.
    Staffers at CPAC quickly scrambled to confiscate Russian flags with the word "TRUMP" written on the front that were being waved by attendees during President Donald Trump's speech on Friday.


    CPAC (none / 0) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 11:34:30 AM EST
    has been in nothing but damage control mode the entire time it seems.

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    Ga...you and I are missing out on a fine (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 02:41:41 PM EST
    Business opportunity.  We could set up shop outside Trump rallies selling those flags and T-shirts. Trump that B*tch doesn't mean anything offensive enough now for the Deplorables. We can give them a hand you know, and pay a few bills to boot.

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    Somebody obviously beat you to it. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 07:18:42 PM EST
    "I asked people if they wanted a Trump flag and they took it. Many Trump supporters were proudly waving their Russian Trump flag. I think it says a lot about Donald Trump's base and their education level."
    - Jason Charter, age 22, to Talking Points Memo (February 24, 2017)

    CPAC attendees got punked today, "bigly"-time. Instant classic.

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    seems (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by linea on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 07:46:27 PM EST
    activist Ryan Clayton, huffingtonpost contributor, and president of americans take action passed out the trump-russia flags.

    perhaps mistaken for the Slovenian flag?
    go melania!!

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    Most attendees at CPAC couldn't find their own home state on a map, never mind Slovenia. They obviously had no idea what a Russian flag looks like. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most thought that Russia still used the hammer-and-sickle USSR flag.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#56)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Feb 25, 2017 at 06:14:29 AM EST
    Most Americans couldn't find their home state state on a map

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    Damn it (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Feb 25, 2017 at 12:15:42 AM EST
    Late to the party again

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    Yeah, it's (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:13:33 PM EST
    kind of obvious that these people are begging you to help them part with their money. We could wear We Are Here to Fleece on our shirts and get away with it :)

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    Trump: "The Era of Empty Talk is Over" (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:00:36 PM EST
    DHS memo (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 08:15:16 PM EST
    says Trump travel ban will not enhance security.

    Rachel Maddow has the story.

    The Trump people tried to spike the report but the AP got it anyway.

    My LTE (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Feb 25, 2017 at 02:10:46 AM EST
    ...will run next week.  I got a call from the editor.  I get a high percentage published.  This one is a slight expansion on a post I had in an open thread a few days ago.

    Editor,

    Americans kill 30,000 of each other every year with the Second Amendment or drunk behind the wheel..

    Yawn.  Price of liberty, etc.

    Foreign terrorists kill fewer Americans than toddlers who find loaded guns.  Or falling trees.  Or lightning.  Or kitchen accidents.  Or drownings in community pools.

    But terrorists!  Sky is falling!  We must spend billions and kill a lot of people in other countries to protect us from this non-threat.

    I am a US Army veteran, E5, Honorable Discharge, because I accepted the responsibility that some people have to take risks to ensure liberty.  But that applies to all Americans, not just the young and physically fit who serve in uniform.  Now that I am out of uniform, I do not cower in my home because of the very real threats posed by guns and drunk drivers.  I am ashamed that paranoia over lesser threats posed by foreigners drives government policy.

    Cowardice is now the new American standard.  When did the United States stop being the home of the brave?  When will Americans remember that freedom isn't free?




    A few thoughts (none / 0) (#1)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 09:24:12 AM EST
    on the Laurel and Hardy comedy hour at CPAC yesterday (my bold through out)
    First the appropriately named Schlapp gives the invocation,
    You know, I know you all know this, but the last time a president came to CPAC in his first year, it was Ronald Reagan.
    (APPLAUSE) Saint Ronald in 1981

    Bannon makes a funny  

    I happen to believe, and I think many others do, he's probably the great public speaker in those large arenas since William Jennings Bryan.

    Then lays out his true agenda,
    Just like they were dead wrong on the chaos of the campaign and just like they were dead wrong in the chaos of the transition, they are absolutely dead wrong about what's going on today  
    The greatest Chaos ever!

    Bannon seemed (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 11:37:36 AM EST
    to misrepresent Jacques Derrida's "deconstruction" as a way of criticizing.  Bannon's "deconstruction of the administrative state," is to blow it all up so as to create bias, flaws and inconsistencies. Whereas, Derrida works to render justice through deconstruction that takes apart so as to expose bias, flaws and inconsistencies.  But, that  ersatz Laurel and Hardy act did take on a cringe-worthy, but revelatory, power play to be admired by even Euro philosophers.

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    I think (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM EST
    Priebus does a better Peewee Herman than Stan Laurel, but that's just my opinion.

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    Bannon seems (none / 0) (#11)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:25:44 PM EST
    to see a lot of Mussolini in Priebus, although I do not get the resemblance.  Interview, last Bannon response Bannon complimenting Priebus on his beautiful administrative skills:  " toughest job...to make it run every day, and make the trains... "

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    For my money... (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 01:57:32 PM EST
    these guys are Nazis.

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    Maybe a new name (none / 0) (#25)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:15:48 PM EST
    is needed, but Trump does take after the most vulnerable (refugees, immigrants, trans people). And, his full court press on the press to delegitimatize, confuse (fake news and news); rely on what he says,  undermine the judiciary (so called judges), scapegoats, divisive, a Congress that is his very own chamber of deputies. And, his attempts to marry business and government. Governing on his 39 percent approval core. I will stick, for now, with Il Duce light.

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    Yeah, instead of blackshirts, (none / 0) (#26)
    by desertswine on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:40:34 PM EST
    he's got Redcaps.

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    You are right. For a guy with a bunch of (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:24:34 PM EST
    fancy degrees, it is surprising that Bannon would so blatantly confuse "deconstruction" with "destruction," which is what he seemingly meant.

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    Some (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 01:10:03 PM EST
    (Updated) lyrics from Bannon's playlist:
    And you tell me over and over and over again my friend
    You don't believe were on the eve of deconstruction

    and

    But when you talk about deconstruction
    Don't you know that you can count me in

    and one of my all time faves

    And the riot squad they're restless, they need somewhere to go
    As Lady and I look out tonight, from Deconstruction Row


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    As has been said before around here (none / 0) (#16)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 01:21:38 PM EST
    more than once, I wish I could give that comment a rating of 10!

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    and (none / 0) (#17)
    by FlJoe on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 01:27:13 PM EST
    we shouldn't forget his favorite album,
    "Appetite for Deconstruction"


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    I think that ... (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 03:48:34 PM EST
    ... "Eva Destruction" would be a fabulous name for Bannon's alter ego / drag persona.

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    You guys are pathetically literal (none / 0) (#27)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:41:45 PM EST
    Bannon's a professional crap artist.  Internet text is a tool, not an absolute.  There are no blue pencils on the internet.  He does what he wants with the words.  Whatever makes it flow.  Whatever draws readers.  Whatever wins for him.  That's all he gives a damn about.  His use of deconstruction, which I have used myself in precisely the same way, is a smirking nod to others forced to suffer through readings of  Derrida's polysyllabic dreck and the same droning self-impressed tedious lecturers.  

    Nobody outside of academia gives a rip about Derrida and his celebrated cleverness.  On the internet, there is no erudition.  There is only content, clicks, Adwords, and transience.  If Derrida was the subject of your purloined translation/paper, Peter, I feel for you.

    Bannon uses language as a weapon.  Y'all tut tutters have been caught way behind the front lines created by the Bannon wehrmacht.  I'll go further; you're buried behind his front lines.

    For years I've been told by people here and elsewhere that Breitbart wasn't worth the waste of time reading, that it was rubbish, that no one with a brain wasted their time on it.  What is ironic is that I took you guys at your word.  I didn't read anything in Breitbart.

    Breitbart was so despised that the mere presence of an article in Breitbart was accepted as sufficient for a blanket dismissal of the article, its author, and every element of the article.

    As a result, I know almost nothing about Breitbart.  I don't know its history.  I don't know the writers.  I don't have a hint of its agenda.  

    Oh, I've been told what to believe.  But believing in Devils had gotten me no further than believing in Angels.

    Nothing we're doing is working.  Nothing.

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    You are right (none / 0) (#32)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 05:26:37 PM EST
    Nothing we're doing is working.  Nothing.


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    I've got news for you, Billy Bob (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 06:19:48 PM EST
    hoping and wishing and praying we could go back to 1962 isn't going to work either.

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    But you haven't tried this!! (none / 0) (#45)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 09:34:38 PM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/hzg7wr2

    Starting at midnight on Friday, witches around the country are calling for a mass spell to be cast on Donald Trump every night of a waning crescent moon until he's driven from office.

    There is still time

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    No, no, Mr. N, not Derrida, thank G*d (none / 0) (#46)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:12:21 PM EST
    I agree Fox was better when Colmes (none / 0) (#2)
    by McBain on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 09:55:31 AM EST
    was a regular

    Colmes was a stooge (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Repack Rider on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:08:41 PM EST
    ...In the classic vaudeville sense.  

    A "stooge" was a character who was abused for the entertainment of the crowd.  The "Three Stooges" got their start in vaudeville as the foils for comic beatings from a "straight man" named Ted Healy   They ditched the straight man and took the concept to film.

    By providing an unresisting "liberal" who allowed himself to be verbally slapped around, FOX got to claim they represented a spectrum of political thought.

    In my opinion, what they provided was more like a speculum.

    Colmes was not a liberal. A liberal fights for morality and logic, and does not allow himself to be bullied by fools. IOW, Paul Krugman is a liberal, Colmes was a guy who played one on TV. Yuuuge difference.

    My condolences to his family.

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    When I Used to Watch Fox (none / 0) (#14)
    by RickyJim on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:59:57 PM EST
    I noticed that when O'Reilly, Hannity etc, would have a left wing guest to balance one of their viewpoints, the guest was often pretty goofy and not capable of making the best case.  I assumed this was intentional.  

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    Judge will allow one additional accuser to (none / 0) (#3)
    by McBain on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:32:42 AM EST
    testify against Bill Cosby in upcoming case.
    Prosecutors in suburban Philadelphia had asked the judge to let 13 other women testify, a list they developed after reviewing claims by nearly 50 of the accusers who have come forward in recent years. The defense objected to their testimony, saying the string of old "casting couch" claims are not unique to Cosby and therefore not part of "signature" behavior...

    ...The one witness who can testify says she was assaulted by Cosby in 1996 in Los Angeles.



    Judge O'Neill is working hard, it seems (none / 0) (#12)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:26:27 PM EST
    to me, to ensure a fair trial for Cosby, despite strong pressure from both the prosecution and the defense to sabotage that effort.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:04:40 PM EST
    The only apparent purpose for allowing 13 of Bill Cosby's documented accusers to testify would be to overtly prejudice the jury against the defendant with an avalanche of innuendo, and not necessarily enlighten them on the actual specifics of the immediate matter before them.

    If prosecutors' stated intent is to imply a pattern of bad conduct, one witness should suffice. Even then, I would think that Judge O'Neill would ensure that this witness's testimony be limited to her own particular situation and hers alone. That is, she speaks for herself only, and her story is not representative of those various tales from the 13 to 50 other women who've thus far leveled accusations.

    Aloha.

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    Hail, Caesar! (none / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 05:19:06 PM EST
    the Coen brothers flick, has as one of the main characters, Eddie Mannix, who was a show business "fixer" back in day, whose specialty was getting the Clark Gables and Errol Flynns of the world out of trouble and keeping potential pr-disaster scandals swept under the rug and out of the newspapers and tabloids..

    Sounds like Cosby could've used one or two Eddie Mannixes. Where are they when you need them?

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    Sounds like Cosby could've used ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 07:27:35 PM EST
    Wearing clothing costing more than many (none / 0) (#13)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 12:38:20 PM EST
    can put down on a car, or pay for some cars, EdSec DeVos seems to refuse to be as hateful as her hateful bosses.

    NPR: DeVos, Defiant At CPAC, Walks A Fine Line On Transgender Rights

    Over roast duck, yellow curry, and papaya salad, I had a long discussion last night with someone many of whose downriver Detroit relatives voted for the orange man.

    Many of them are denying it now.  EdSec DeVos is roundly distrusted or hated.  Her conservative, fundamentalist brother refuses to insult Trump over the phone, warning her that the NSA is listening.  This from a guy who runs a successful software business; he's not an idiot.  Cousins who trumpeted for Trump pre election are now denying having voted for him.  An uncle, 75 years old, brags that he didn't vote for Trump; he "protest voted" against both candidates.  He's mortified when she tells him, "you voted for Trump."  

    A cognitive dissonance meltdown is in the offing.

    Is Betsy trying to ... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by kdog on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 03:53:26 PM EST
    steal a play from the Democratic Party playbook?  Wow the rubes with your sensitivity and inclusiveness, and then sell the textbooks out the backdoor when no one is looking?

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    A Purple Cow in Every Garage (none / 0) (#28)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:54:58 PM EST
    I never hope to see one (none / 0) (#47)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:15:41 PM EST
    But I can tell you anyhow, I'd rather see than be one.

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    from the link (none / 0) (#48)
    by linea on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:21:10 PM EST
     O. Henry (american short story writer) sounds interesting. is he still read?

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    Yes, indeed. O. Henry's short stories (none / 0) (#49)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:24:30 PM EST
    are taught in English classes to this day in better high schools as a model of short fiction writing.

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    i'll check the (none / 0) (#50)
    by linea on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 10:34:10 PM EST
    used bookstore down the block {{smile}}.

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    Good idea. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 11:35:16 PM EST
    Or the public library. Or purchase on line. Or read free on the Web.

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    Are they? (none / 0) (#57)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Feb 25, 2017 at 06:17:34 AM EST
    I remember reading O Henry short stories in High School.
    The Ransom of Red Chief

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    Trump must have (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 03:51:07 PM EST
    felt he needed to gin up his CPAC crowd. Of course, the usual about his big win, but also, his golden oldie to prompt "lock her up."  

    If only he had yelled "Allahu Akbar" ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 04:55:32 PM EST
    ... rather than "Get out of my country," this would be the lead story in the media right now:

    The Washington Post | February 24, 2017
    He yelled `Get out of my country,' witnesses say, and then shot 2 men from India, killing one - "Authorities in Kansas filed first-degree murder charges against a man accused of opening fire in a bar there, killing one Indian man, injuring two other people and causing fears about bigotry to reverberate across the globe. According to witness accounts, the gunman reportedly told two of the people who were shot -- both Indian men who work for Garmin, the technology firm -- to 'get out of my country' before opening fire and had also used racial slurs during the Wednesday evening shooting."

    Behold, the face of white Christianist terrorism.

    Christianist? (none / 0) (#55)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Feb 25, 2017 at 03:46:51 AM EST

    Where in the linked article did you come up with that slur?

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    White House Bars News Organizations (none / 0) (#30)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 05:10:33 PM EST
    Trump White House Bars News Organizations From Press Briefing

    Limber up and learn to goosestep, kiddies.

    You said above (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 06:13:21 PM EST
    Nothing we are doing is working.

    Maybe.

    This is a big deal.  The WSJ said later if they had known about the exclusions they would not have participated and will not participate in the future.  They will not be alone.  Seany boy will be briefing TOWNHALL, BRIETBART and the WASHINGTON EXAMINER by Sunday.  This will not stand.

    So.

    While I don't necessarily agree nothing we do is working, the oscars will be worth watching for once, I'm starting to think we might not need to do much.  THAT said the grassroots activism happening from coast to coast is very encouraging.

    This is fu@king insane.  And getting more every day.

    I repeat what I said a while back.  We will survive this.  And likely be made stronger by it.  Maybe a lot.

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    Or maybe several in the media need to (none / 0) (#35)
    by McBain on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 06:40:10 PM EST
    clean up their acts.  It's been long overdue.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 06:44:09 PM EST
    That the ticket

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    We could say the exact same thing about you. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 07:06:37 PM EST
    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous that sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
    - The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968), Free to Love (1963)

    The U.S. news media are not obligated to be either overly solicitous of or deferential to Trump's feelings, nor do they exist solely to cater to your own exclusive worldview.

    Aloha.

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    The major news media has been bad for a while (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by McBain on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 08:41:21 PM EST
    They were atrocious during the election.

    As for TLers needing to clean up their acts. My behavior is far better than most in here, including you.  My opinions  are often unpopular but it's good to hear from people who see things differently than you do.  

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    While the press (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 07:39:04 PM EST
    certainly has many, many faults number one being IMO they want to get it first before they get it right.

    Thomas Jefferson said this:

    Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
    Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasjeff101434.html


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    Or maybe you conservatives ... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Yman on Fri Feb 24, 2017 at 07:48:38 PM EST
    ... will just have to learn to deal with actual journalists reporting actual facts.  Reality is hard to deal with, but maybe you can learn to do so ... if you "clean up your acts".

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    Big election upcoming (none / 0) (#58)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Feb 25, 2017 at 06:45:22 AM EST
    http://tinyurl.com/z8o58m2

    http://tinyurl.com/zgwabo8

    The contentious race that has split party members appears headed for a close finish.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and many of his allies are backing Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), a progressive firebrand and favorite of the left.

    Former Vice President Joe Biden and other key figures from the Obama administration back former Labor Secretary Tom Perez, who supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

    Democrats have done their best to quash the notion that the DNC chair race is a proxy war between these competing wings of the party.

    One interesting candidate with a outside shot of winning would be

    In just 24 hours, members of the Democratic National Committee will vote for their next chair. Supporters of Mayor Pete Buttigieg are there campaigning for him.

    The more ballots that are needed to attain a winner, the better chance that a alternative candidate like Buttigieg has.