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Obama-McCain Nashville Debate: Live Thread One

The Nashville debate between Senators Barack Obama and John McCain begins at 9pm ET on CNN. Big Tent Democrat, TChris, the TL Kid and I will be live-blogging.

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We'll ll be putting up some polls during it to see how you think the candidates and questioners are doing. If comments reach 200, we'll start a new thread.[More...]

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  • Yep, McCain (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:38 PM EST
    gets a HOLC ( or HOME) proposal out there first. Wish it had come from Obama.

    He left his campaign (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:12:44 PM EST
    and accomplished nothing.

    Why does Obama (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by dutchfox on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:14:00 PM EST
    just mention the "middle class," and not "working class"? (So much for the idea that the Democratic party is for the marginalized and poor.)

    good point (5.00 / 0) (#23)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:04 PM EST
    fighting about cause of meltdown

    Obama talking about letters he wrote--wish he was stronger..."not me" sounds bad

    Parent

    Most people (none / 0) (#131)
    by TomStewart on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:52:20 PM EST
    whether they are or not, consider themselves part of the middle class.

    Parent
    Obama does not (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:20:09 PM EST
    sound empathetic.  He sounds patronizing to the woman who says "why should we trust either of you?"

    I don't think so . . . (none / 0) (#37)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:21:49 PM EST
    his whole answer, I think, is a better view on his tone.

    Parent
    I don't agree. (none / 0) (#42)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:45 PM EST
    The opposite actually

    Parent
    BOTH accused the asker "cynicism" (none / 0) (#199)
    by lambert on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:14:05 PM EST
    In other words, they're both Villagers.

    I'd say, realistic.

    Parent

    I find the camera angles and the setting (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:21:28 PM EST
    very distracting.  Ot maybe neither one of them are very interesting tonight.

    Reason #8917239812 (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by liminal on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:00 PM EST
    I should not listen to the debate:

    when both candidates start going on about their prescience about our current economic troubles, I make obscene noises at my radio.  Listening to McCain and Obama be all self-congratulatory re their letter writing skills.   "I knew what was happening!  I wrote a letter!  Let me show you my letter!  I took a picture of myself with the newspaper on that date to prove that it was me then!"

    It's petty, but it annoys the heck out of me, from both of them.  

    audience reaction up now on CNN (5.00 / 0) (#69)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:08 PM EST


    Seriously, (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:35:56 PM EST
    I do care about energy but social security, and healthcare are way more visceral for me.  It makes the political point scoring efforts re: energy on both their parts a little weird.  

    I am more or less happy with Obama right now.  He is doing a good job connecting.  And the CNN uncommitteds in Ohio are loving him.  

    leave Social Security (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:46 PM EST
    ALOOOOONNNEEE!

    Pleeeaaasse!!! (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:39:54 PM EST
    Here here!! (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:40:05 PM EST
    n/t

    Parent
    Is it me, (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:49 PM EST
    or is McCain getting a little testy now?

    Come on McCain . . . say it! Say it now!

    He's getting snarly and snarky (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:42:16 PM EST
    I am bipartisan (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
    both parties hate me.

    Everyone but dear sweet Lieberman

    I'd like more specifics on climate change (5.00 / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:48:07 PM EST
    can't one of them even endorse A Gore's suggestions?

    Obama (5.00 / 0) (#118)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:01 PM EST
    lecturing again...I want him to feel my pain!
    Connect, darn it...Brokaw and his light remark stupid...global warming not my top priority--jobs and economy, please!

    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:53:01 PM EST
    McCain says he will give $5000 tax credit, but tax your healthcare benefits. He giveth and taketh away. Strip states' ability to mandate no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. Business has opposed McCain plan. YES, he read the NYT article.

    Let's have (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:53:50 PM EST
    Walk-in centers? WTF!!!? We have those you twit!

    give it up JMCain, fork him he's done (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by thereyougo on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:07 PM EST
    5000$ for insurance per year? What world is he in?

    the world of free government insurance (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56:04 PM EST
    and a very very rich wife.

    Parent
    Go to Arizona. . . (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:13 PM EST
    from Tennessee to get your health care?  Is that what he said?  Maybe I wasn't listening.

    OMG (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:36 PM EST
    I can't wait to "go across state lines" for healthcare under John McCain!  Hopefully the treatment is preventative!

    My heart hurts a little bit, knowing how hard Hillary would've schooled McCain.  But bless her heart for paving the way to the nation trusting Dems on healthcare WAY more than Republicans.

    I'm just sitting her thinking the same thing. (none / 0) (#163)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:01:41 PM EST
    Neither one of them is Hillary. Obama's health care answers are better but he keeps jumbling his words out of order. Something about pre-existing conditions he said kind of backwards.

    Parent
    Still (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:06:18 PM EST
    some of the faces I saw when he spoke about healthcare were just plastered with expectancy and hope (sorry, I don't have a great vocabulary to describe expressions of listening!!)  And I think Obama will be able to help, at least a little.  

    And healthcare is still Hillary's sh*t.  She will be all over it I think.

    Parent

    Health Care is a Right (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56:58 PM EST
    Finally someone says it. Thank you.

    McCain (5.00 / 0) (#157)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:59:02 PM EST
    thinks its a "responsibility." WTF does that mean? McC says he wants kids to have insurance, but he voted against government program (SCHIP??)

    On government involvment: yes, government must crack down on the cheaters who hide exclusions in fine print. Going from state to state? Insurance companies will go to a state that has no mandates. They can find a state that permits all kinds of exclusions.

    Parent

    OOPS! (5.00 / 0) (#158)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:59:14 PM EST
    Delaware.

    Oops.

    Otherwise -- GREAT answer on health care.

    Oh gawd I'm loaded. (5.00 / 0) (#169)
    by Faust on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:04:34 PM EST
    One too many my friends my friends.

    Obama on health care (5.00 / 0) (#171)
    by Nathan In Nola on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:05:07 PM EST
    Fantastic answer, and probably one of the first of this debate that actually touched people.

    let's worship Reagan (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:28 PM EST
    McCain blows kisses, talks about his superior war judgement  too awful

    Wha?????/ (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:42 PM EST
    The reason my judgment on Iraq was sounds is because I had the judgment to tell Reagan not to send our kids into a meat grinder???

    Twit.

    McCain is hanging around Palin too much (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:10:03 PM EST
    he's starting to sound like her

    Parent
    Petreus has never been (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:09:18 PM EST
    the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Facts, schmacts (none / 0) (#196)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:12:13 PM EST
    Now McC is attacking Obama for announcing he would attack another country. WE SHOULD DO IT SECRETLY!

    Parent
    Yeah...just like McCain was soooo (none / 0) (#200)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:14:48 PM EST
    quiet about his distain for Russia during the Ossertia crisis

    Parent
    Roosevelt McCains hero (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:11:41 PM EST
    thought it was Reagan...

    Teddy Roosevelt! (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:11:47 PM EST
    Hit him with the stick.  Hit him with the STICK!

    You're likeable enough, Tom! (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:13:38 PM EST
    Heh.

    Heh heh. (none / 0) (#201)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:09 PM EST
    n/t

    Parent
    heh (none / 0) (#202)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:48 PM EST
    but I don't find mumbles very likable actually

    Parent
    I don't drink so I'm eating chocolate (5.00 / 1) (#220)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:20:49 PM EST
    for every "my Friends" I now weigh 500 pounds.

    Brokaw hair - lol (5.00 / 1) (#223)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:21:28 PM EST
    Yes, this is a riveting debate!

    oh what a lame question (5.00 / 1) (#225)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:24:09 PM EST
    evil empire crap

    Oh, stop, McCain with the (5.00 / 1) (#232)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:30:45 PM EST
    not so subtle references to your Navy service.

    Would we commit military to defend Israel if Iran attacked?

    McC: we wouldn't wait for UN, other countries would block. Iran must not get nuclear weapons. Ahmedinejad says Israel a stinking corpse. Obama would meet with him without conditions. Tough sanctions with our friends. League of Democracies? Who is he, Woodrow Wilson? We're going to end run the UN with a league of just our friends? No Holocaust.

    BO: nukes in Iran unacceptable. Never take military options off the table. Israel our best ally in MidEast, one of our best in the world. Must work more effectively wiht other countries, reduce energy consumsption so Iran has less money and influence.  Put the squeeze on them. We should have direct talks not just with friends but with enemies. To make direct point that if no change in behavior, sanctions. If you do, you rejoin community of nations. It helped in North Korea. Bush stops talking to Iran, now many centrifuges.

    Internet question from New Hampshire. What don't you know, and how will you learn it? Sheesh. "What kind of a tree would you be?"

    both men (5.00 / 1) (#236)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:33:40 PM EST
    do not convince me that they are like me, okay?

    I think Obama won (5.00 / 0) (#238)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:34:24 PM EST
    but McCain's last answer was better.

    I know how to fight (5.00 / 1) (#240)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:34:44 PM EST
    through tough times. I WAS A POW!  DID YOU KNOW?  Give me another opportunity, I will rest on my reputation, but when times are tough, you need a steady hand on the tiller.

    That disqualifies you, John.

    Michelle (5.00 / 0) (#243)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:35:49 PM EST
    I love a woman who has the nerve to wear a red dress.

    Wolf notes that (5.00 / 0) (#244)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:37:01 PM EST
    it is apparent that McC has disdain for Obama, and that was apparent at points during this debate.

    Wow, quite a comment from Wolfie.

    Brokaw has selected a long list (none / 0) (#1)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:03:09 PM EST
    of excellent questions from the audience and the internets. We won't get to all of them, but we will have an excellent discussion. Two minutes to answer, 1 minute followup. (I assume the followup is by the guy who didn't get the question.)

    crud (none / 0) (#2)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:03:27 PM EST
    my cable  just went out.  Forced to  watch on Fox!

    What is with these left handed people? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:04:29 PM EST
    Bill C, Obama, McCain. How many Presidents are left handed?

    Only the best ones (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:05:37 PM EST
    that from a lefty.  

    Parent
    Jimmy Carter. My husband. Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Angel on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:46 PM EST
    Oh Obama (none / 0) (#5)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:06:03 PM EST
    please keep it simple!

    I think McCain wrote down the question (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:06:21 PM EST
    one of our hosts was asking

    Oops. The camera showed the questioner (none / 0) (#7)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:06:35 PM EST
    at the end.

    answers (none / 0) (#8)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:08:21 PM EST
    McCain is rambling too.  First "my friends"...

    Is McAin talking about HOLC? (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:08:50 PM EST
    something like it anyway?

    god, Brokaw (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:10:19 PM EST
    they are not going to answer that.  They will just ramble.

    Didn't ebay just (none / 0) (#11)
    by Lahdee on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:10:31 PM EST
    announce layoffs?

    My own drinking game (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:32 PM EST
    Senator McCain is right!  Mojito for me

    McCain still not looking (none / 0) (#14)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:44 PM EST
    at Obama.

    Brokaw notes that a lot has changed since last debate. World has changed. Coin flip says Obama talks first.

    With the economy on downturn, seniors losing income and investment, what is fastest way to bailout us out?

    BO: Worst financial crisis in years. Worried about your jobs, retirements, college. I believe this is a final verdict on the failed policies of Bush, supported by McCain. De-regulate, prosperity rains down on us. We need to take action. First: Rescue package of last week: strong oversight. AIG execs went on junket one week after bailout. Second: middle class needs bailout. Tax cuts. Infrastructure, create jobs, health care, energy independence, help middle class not those who can afford to hire lobbyists.

    McCain: Americans angry and upset. Our job is to fix it. Energy independence. Tax cuts for ALL Americans. Huge debt on younger people. Cut spending. "This problem has become so severe that we have to do something about home values. Declining values, I would order SecTreasury to buy up bad mortgages and and force renegotiate mortgages. Until we fix mortgage crisis, we will never fix economy. I know how to get economy. My proposal, not Obama's, not Bush's. I know how to fix economy, my friends. DRINK.

    Brokaw: who would you appoint to run this?

    McCain: Not you Tom. (Has Tom fallen out of the tank.)

    McCain: Buffet, Meg Whitman. (Does he know she just cut 10k jobs at eBay.) Problem is greed, excess, corruption.

    Obama: Buffet would be a very good choice, and I am pleased to have his support. Important not to help just those at the top. Important to help middle class. McC thought economy was sound. Earnings have flatlined. Harder and harder to save. Tax cut to 95% of Americans. McC is right (DRINK) that we have to help mortgage crisis, but ... I lost the rest.

    yes ebay did (none / 0) (#15)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:48 PM EST
    thousands of folks buh bye

    They could ditch the mikes (none / 0) (#16)
    by dutchfox on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:52 PM EST
    They seem so unwieldy. There are better ones, for sure.

    I don't like this circle of people. They keep (none / 0) (#17)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:12:22 PM EST
    turning this way and that to address the audience and it's distracting. Bush would have been up the creek with his box out in the open that way. :)

    It gives me a town halll flashback (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:14:14 PM EST
    Bush telling Gore he owned a lumber company (or maybe it was the other way around).

    Parent
    Here comes the Repubs Fannie (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:13:31 PM EST
    and Freddie nonsense. Is this the only tune the Repubs can sing?

    Does Obama have a stick? (none / 0) (#22)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:14:56 PM EST
    I want him to hit McCain with a stick.  Hard.

    he could use (none / 0) (#26)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:35 PM EST
    that big old microphone

    Parent
    Sorry. . . (none / 0) (#28)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:17:55 PM EST
    I'm listening on the radio.  So I can't see the mike.  Is it big enough to really hurt?  I was thinking of a stick with rusty nails sticking out of it.

    Parent
    Well bye folks... (none / 0) (#24)
    by dutchfox on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:28 PM EST
    Live blogging ain't for me...I'm gonna go watch it in my living room.

    How does bailout help people who are affected? (none / 0) (#25)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:30 PM EST
    McC: All Fannie may and Freddie. I warned. Democrats defended what Fannie and Freddie were doing. They were getting contributions. Obama the 2d highest recipient in history. Must stabilize home values. But Fannie and Freddie were catalysts that started forest fires. Some of us stood up. Others took a hike.

    BO: first, how will this help you? Open up credit, so businesses can make payroll and expenses. Millions of companies having this problem. Now, I've got McCain's history. Biggest problem was de-regulation of financial industry. As recently as last March, McCain said he's a de-reulgator. I wrote to Paulson, said we need to regulate. I went to Wall Street last year, said we need regulation. McCain resisted. I never promoted Fannie MAe. McCain's campaign manager was lobbyist for Fannie. But you don't want to hear all this political stuff. The bailout is just the start. Paulson has power to intervene with mortgages. He hasn't done it yet.

    Has McCain looked at Obama yet? (none / 0) (#27)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:17:38 PM EST
    I tuned in late.

    He just did (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:29 PM EST
    first time I saw

    Parent
    Oh, oh, He just did: My Friend. (none / 0) (#29)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:24 PM EST
    :)

    Wow, STILL playing defense. . . (none / 0) (#31)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:40 PM EST
    on his "fundamentals are sound" statement.  The workers!  I meant the workers!

    Brokaw asks (none / 0) (#32)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM EST
    if Obama is saying that economy is going to get a lot worse?

    BO: No, but we have to set up a better regulatory system, 20th Century regs for 21st Century market. Have to help people stay in their homes. Change culture in Washington so that lobbyists aren't in control.

    McCain: it depends on what we do [if economy gets worse]. Depends on helping mortgage borrowers, eliminate cronyism. I wrote a letter warning of crisis, Obama's name isn't on it. Americans are best workers, most innovative, we have to give them a chance.

    Trick question. . . (none / 0) (#35)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:20:33 PM EST
    no one wants to talk down the economy.

    Want they really want to say is "if you vote for that bozo, we won't even know how to spell the word economy in six months."

    Parent

    "Looks like (none / 0) (#33)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:19:04 PM EST
    I'm going to have to correct McCain's record again, not surprising . . ."

    zing

    Seems to be all economy so far. (none / 0) (#38)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:22:01 PM EST
    Not so good for McCain.  McCain sounds weak (physically) on the radio.

    What's he look like on TV. . . (none / 0) (#40)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:20 PM EST
    On the radio, he sounds like he's having to stop to breath frequently and might not make it through is "he voted for" answer.

    Parent
    his movements seem lumbering (5.00 / 0) (#47)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:32 PM EST
    and stiff.

    Parent
    I can't believe how bad. . . (none / 0) (#49)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:41 PM EST
    McCain sounds on the radio.  Does he look well?

    Parent
    He's walking around a lot while he talks (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:06 PM EST
    maybe it sounds different depending on how he holds the microphone.

    Parent
    MCCain has terrible make-up (none / 0) (#39)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:22:09 PM EST
    really macabre.

    He's gotta be crossing that line too close to (none / 0) (#41)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:42 PM EST
    the audience.

    How can we trust either of you (none / 0) (#43)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:52 PM EST
    when both parties got us into this global crisis?

    BO: understand your frustration. If you make less money, you make cuts in spending, you act responsibility. That doesnt' happen in Washington. And there is responsiblity all around. But remember, Bush had surplus, now enormous deficit. Debt has increased. No one is completely innocent, but we've had biggest deficit spending. McCain voted for 4 out of 5 budgets from Bush. I want to spend money in key areas. [cramp in my hand] Obama is cutting more than I am spending. Net spending cut. Priorities will work for you, not those who are dictating the agenda now, lobbyists.

    McC: I can understad why you feel cynicism and distrust. I am a consistent reformer. DRINK. Fought special interests, bipartisanship. Situation now calls for bipartisanship. OBama has never stood up to his own party. I have clear record. National Org. Against Waste, National Taxpayers Association. SOMEONE CHECK WHAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS OUT. Obama is proposing $800 billion in new spending, while I have fought pork barrel, Obama has voted for a billion dollars in pork (doesn't everyone who votes for a budget), my friends DRINK you need a reformer. Energy independence, DRILL BABY DRILL, I know how to fix this economy and end $700 billion sent overseas.
     

    Funny on both sides. (none / 0) (#44)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:24:02 PM EST
    Both Obama and McCain are saying, "Now the voters don't want to see us point fingers, but..."

    McCain is obviously trying to step out of his record, but it's obvious that both are trying to tiptoe around it getting too rough.

    I cannot believe (none / 0) (#45)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:24:25 PM EST
    that McCain is actually pushing the HOLC idea!  It's crazy!  BTD was right.  But at this point he's getting back into Republican cliches.  Obama moves well, and seems to be connecting and listening better.  

    What was it?  A Chicago telescope?  Chicago telescope < Campaign Manager Lobbyied for Fannie & Freddie.  Sorry "my friends."

    Fear mongering from both candidates (none / 0) (#46)
    by lobary on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:24:27 PM EST
    The economy is crap right now, but it is not anywhere close to the greatest crisis since the Great Depression.

    lieberman is reaching (none / 0) (#48)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:37 PM EST
    across the aisle McCain?  More like turning and finding him attached, leechlike, to your side!

    I lol'ed (none / 0) (#51)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:26:19 PM EST
    at this :-)

    Parent
    UGH! (none / 0) (#50)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:51 PM EST
    Those G**damn earmarks!!! I swear, if I hear the word "earmarks" from anyone ever again, I'm going to have a conniption!!!

    Ha! (none / 0) (#52)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:26:20 PM EST
    Reaching across the aisle to Lieberman! Hell he just needs to reach around front to say hello and thanks for the favors.

    CNN very positive for Obama now (none / 0) (#54)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:03 PM EST
    once he mentioned gas prices..the lines took off.

    audience reaction, that is (none / 0) (#56)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:29 PM EST
    Thought you meant gas lines. . . (none / 0) (#60)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:29:27 PM EST
    "$3.80!  I gotta get me some a' that cheap gas!"

    Parent
    Obama should say: (none / 0) (#57)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:41 PM EST
    If I am elected, Social Security will be safe, because it will be a priority.

    Yeah, he probably should have. . . (none / 0) (#59)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:28:42 PM EST
    pointed out McCain's promise of lower Social Security benefits.

    Parent
    I'm glad he did not mention it (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:25 PM EST
    It is not in serious trouble. Ne does not need to promote that myth, even if it is to say he will save it.

    Parent
    the hell.... (none / 0) (#92)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:38 PM EST
    SS is in trouble IF McCain is president, not if O is.

    this is our choice

    Parent

    Brokaw (none / 0) (#58)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:28:18 PM EST
    What will be your priorities?  Health care, energy, or entitlements?

    McC: we can do all three. We have to cut entitlements, we will have to cut benefits that people have had. Bipartisan agreement, I know how to bipartisan, build new nookleeeur plants, we can do everything! $700 billion spent overseas ends up with terrorists. Health care, people are struggling, need to be affordable. All three at once.

    Obama: we are going to have to prioritize just like families do. Energy we have to deal with today. Prices are hi and could go up. Bad for family budget and bad for national security. We have to deal with that right away. $15 billion a year for ten years, in ten years we are free. When JFK said go to the moon in 10 years, we didn't know how, but we knew we would find a way. Health care -- bad for families, bad for businesses struggling to be competitive. McCain talks about records, and earmarks. I will go through every agency, make approrpriate cuts. But we also have to figure out what our taxes are paying for. McCain wants $4billino in tax cuts to rich and corporations, that's money out of the system.

    Brokaw whinges about time limits.

    "We're gonna have to prioritize (none / 0) (#61)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:29:56 PM EST
    just as a family has to prioritize" - Obama.  He is dropping family/gov't comparisons all over.  And I think it is working.  

    Honestly, Obama is extremely telegenic.  His eye contact is fantastic, and he rises smoothly from his chair in expectation of the next question.  He seems to be listening to McCain (bipartisan points!!)  McCain in comparison seems miserly.  

    I think Obama can just outlast McCain here.  But he has to watch out, because I think the McCain camp is hoping, if nothing else, that they can trap him into saying something typically liberal or otherwise damning, and then replay it in an advertisement.

    I've always thought. . . (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    Honestly, Obama is extremely telegenic.  His eye contact is fantastic, and he rises smoothly from his chair in expectation of the next question.  He seems to be listening to McCain (bipartisan points!!)  McCain in comparison seems miserly.  

    that the fundamental comparison of McCain and Obama side-by-side on TV is what the election would turn on.  And that fundamental certainly seems to be strong.

    Parent

    Larry you have GOT (none / 0) (#89)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:40:46 PM EST
    to get yourself in front of a TV!

    And how is it that you're listening on radio anyway?  

    BTW, McCain is so terrible that Obama being professorial is actually now "hey, this class is okay, or fun even!" versus who is this guy crawling around, knocking the prof?  Town hall in some ways works well for Obama because he's professorial.  

    Parent

    Is he serious?!?!?! (none / 0) (#62)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:30:34 PM EST
    A spending freeze? What's he smokin? 'Cause I want some.

    Other vital programs... (none / 0) (#63)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:30:39 PM EST
    Care to include Medicare/Medicaid,McCain?

    ah, what the heck is McCain talking about now? (none / 0) (#64)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:30:55 PM EST


    A lot of you remember 9/11? (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:31:44 PM EST
    gee, ya think?  

    Sorry, but spare the snark, spoil the candidate.

    Hey folks, just tuning in (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:17 PM EST
    How're we doing?

    Obama seems very comfortable in (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:35:54 PM EST
    this town hall setting...just as comfortable and maybe even more so than McCain. I think Obama is doing well. McCain is distributing 'my friends' and 'earmarks' in his remarks and starting to be snarly.

    Parent
    Obama hasn't hit him with a stick. (none / 0) (#73)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:34:44 PM EST
    Otherwise, seems more of the same -- candidates talk about economy, both do OK, Obama sounds more to the point (in my opinion).

    Wish he'd brought the stick, though.

    Parent

    Obama talked about Americans (none / 0) (#78)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:37:14 PM EST
    sacrificing by conserving energy

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    Thanks all (none / 0) (#88)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:40:32 PM EST
    oh heck (none / 0) (#67)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:22 PM EST
    Obama is rambling and lecturing re energy

    Sacrifices = conserve energy. (none / 0) (#68)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:33 PM EST
    THANK YOU!!!!

    Interent question (none / 0) (#70)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:19 PM EST
    What sacrifices will you ask for? We have not been asked to sacrifice?

    McC: we will have to elminate programs that aren't working. He said something about benefits too. Defense spending. Corrupt contracts. Have to eliminate earmarks, some are really good projects but will have to be eliminated and be subjected to scrutiny. Spending freeze, except for defense, veterans affairs and ????, we must have freeze. (Hmm, SS, Medicare, etc.) Full transparency. Earmarks. DRINK. We can do all three at once. I am not going to tell people health insurance will have to wait. [Obama didn't say we'd wait.]

    Obama: after 9/11, country was ready to come together, make changes, Bush did some smart things at the outset, but missed opportunities to do other things. He said go shop. Not a call to service. People are hungry for leadership that will tackle problems not just in gov't, but outside in gov't. Each of us will have to think about how we use energy. We need to think about off shore drilling, tell oil companies not to hoard reserves, use it or lose it. Clean coal. But each of us needs to think about how to save. Provide incentives. Buy US cares. Weatherize home, make other stuff more fuel efficient. Young people of America are especially interested in service. Increase Peace Corp, domestic service. So troops and their families are not only ones protecting us.

    I am so frustrated (none / 0) (#74)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:35:26 PM EST
    no blood yet, and they both aren't doing well.

    jello??? (none / 0) (#77)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:36:08 PM EST


    They serve it with the early bird. . . (none / 0) (#79)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:37:26 PM EST
    better than cake for folks with the dentures out.

    Parent
    they nail it to walls??? (none / 0) (#86)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:39:59 PM EST
    Is that an Arizona saying?

    Parent
    Nah. . . (none / 0) (#90)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:04 PM EST
    it's an expression meaning "hard to nail down".

    Parent
    sigh. (none / 0) (#101)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST
    I know. I was trying to be cute.

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    Sorry. (none / 0) (#110)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:52 PM EST
    Third time this week my snark-o-meter has failed.  I'll have to get it overhauled -- if I can get a loan.

    Parent
    good luck with that (none / 0) (#111)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:46:27 PM EST
    35 minutes in and (none / 0) (#80)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:37:40 PM EST
    five "my friends". Thank god I didn't get into any drinking contests.

    oops six, he threw in another while I was typing.

    7 (none / 0) (#91)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
    8 (none / 0) (#95)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:49 PM EST
    9 (none / 0) (#103)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:43:30 PM EST
    I would burst a bladder if i was just drinking ice tea at this point.

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    Someone call an ambulance! (none / 0) (#108)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:30 PM EST
    My Grey Goose is cooked!

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    10-11-12-13 (none / 0) (#124)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:56 PM EST
    I refuse to count anymore "my friends". He's killing me and he's losing it.

    Parent
    14-15-16-17-18 (none / 0) (#204)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:56 PM EST
    I couldn't help myself. It's like seeing a train wreck. Thank goodness his handlers have worked at stopping this quirk.

    Parent
    Triage (none / 0) (#81)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:18 PM EST
    Comes to mind in re: to Obama's comments on economics. You don't rush a paper cut (millionare) ahead of a gunshot wound (school teacher).

    "Can I respond to that?" (none / 0) (#82)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:26 PM EST
    Nope. Sorry. Next question.

    a chicken in every pot says McCain (none / 0) (#83)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:31 PM EST


    MEDICARE TOO! (none / 0) (#98)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:42:34 PM EST
    McCain, you got your health care, shuddup!

    Brokaw (none / 0) (#99)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:42:59 PM EST
    bush said wall stree got drunk. Obama, how would you deal with this.

    BO: starts in Washington, if we keep creating larger and larger deficits, we encourage others to do so too. It involves cutting spending, but it also involves other thinks, like tax cuts that would give $700k in tax cuts to a corporate CEO, that is not sharing the burden. People here feel that everyone is not sharing burden. How to tell teacher who makes $40k to tighten her belt when others living high on the hog. Although we have to cut spending, freeze is using a hatchet instead of a scalpel. It's regressive.

    McC: Obama tax proposals are like jello, can't pin to the wall. He will raise taxes. Last president who raised taxes in bad times was Hoover. [WHAT ABOUT CLINTON?] Obama would raise taxes on 50% of small businesses, lose jobs. I will not give tax cuts to wealthy. Double tax exemptions, lets create jobs, let's not raise anyone's taxes.

    BO: can I respond? Tax issue. Brokaw says next question will deal with this. Question is about entitlements, Social Security? Brokaw adds his own question, would you give Congress a date certain in 2 years to fix SS and Medicare? WELL THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION.

    BO: we are going to have to take it on, maybe not in 2 years, but by end of first term. Can't deal with entitlements without understanding tax policies. I want to provide a tax cut for 95% of Americans. If you make less than $250k, no increase, tax will go down. Only a few % of small businesses make more than $250k, so they would get tax cut too. And they get a tax credit to provide insurance for employees. $200 billion to largest corporations to get big cutes. $100 Billion to CEOs and other super rich. If we change existing tax policy that McC supported, we will have health care and stable entitlements.

    Obama: its not that hard to fix SS. Not that tough. We know what problems and fixes are. We have to sit across the table. Our wonderful Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill, sat down across the table. WON'T ACTUALLY SAY HE WILL CUT BENEFITS. MEdicare is harder, appoint a commission. Then Congress must vote up or down, too many special interests and lobbyists. Taxes? Rhetoric or record. Obama has voted 95??? times to increase taxes. Said in Illinois he would fight for middle class tax cuts, never introduced legislation. I have fought higher taxes, look at my record.

    McCain is having visions (none / 0) (#100)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:43:08 PM EST
    my friends

    Tom Brokaw (none / 0) (#102)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:43:20 PM EST
    STFU about how you are following the rules and noone else is.  JUST STFU.

    Yes. No one cares about the rules. (none / 0) (#106)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:07 PM EST
    Too bad for McCain (none / 0) (#104)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:44:38 PM EST
    that he has so many enemies...Republicans, Democrats, Bush.  Palin pretty soon.

    "Sen Obama says, or something like that."  

    BTDD mentioned (none / 0) (#105)
    by smott on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:44:58 PM EST
    Obama doesn't connect on a gut level with him.

    O has never connected with me positively that way at all. I've never listened to him speak and had a visceral reaction that he really was all that sincere. I think this kind of format is probably the worst for O.

    Obama (none / 0) (#107)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:26 PM EST
    said some crap about making sure it's clean and safe. Crap I tell you! I sleep with spent uranium under my pillow! Safe shmafe!

    Senator Obama says It has to be safe (none / 0) (#109)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:40 PM EST
    for disposal or something like that . . . whateva!!! Who really cares about safe nuclear waste disposal?! Whateva, whateva, I'll do what I want!!!!

    South Park is Georgian, now. n/t (none / 0) (#114)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:47:29 PM EST
    MCain seems like he's trying to be Palin (none / 0) (#112)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:47:06 PM EST


    perky and incoherent (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:47:29 PM EST
    Better than McCain. . . (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:15 PM EST
    cranky and incoherent.

    Parent
    Economic crisis (none / 0) (#115)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:48:06 PM EST
    What would you do about climate change, environmental issues and green jobs?

    McC: we can't hand our grandchildren a damaged planet. Lieberman DRINK! and I introduced first legislation. We lost but we kept this issue alive. Nuclear power. Obama says it has to be safe, but whatever, I was on a Navy ship and its safe and its clean. REMINDER HE WAS A POW?  Obama has opposed that, we can develop green tech, blah blah blah.

    BO: this is one of the biggest challenges of our times. It is absolutely critical we recognize it is not just a challenge, it is an opportunity. Engine that drives us into the future. We can do it, but we must make an investment. National security issue. Solar, wind, geothermal, I favor nuclear power as one component of our overall energy mix. McC and I agree on something. Polticians haven't done anything in 30 years. But he has been there for 26, voted 23 times against alternative fuels. McC talks a lot about drilling, but we have 3% of reserves and use 25% of use. Can't drill out of problem, can't use more fossil fuels that create more global warning. Gov't needs to work with private sector to develop tech that we can export to other countries.

    Brokaw: we have lights. Obama: just trying to keep up with John.


    Did McCain (none / 0) (#117)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:00 PM EST
    just call Obama "that one"?

    yes. (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56:24 PM EST
    he is such an ass.

    Parent
    Does Obama seem more (none / 0) (#119)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:04 PM EST
    comfortable with this style than McCain?

    It sure appears (none / 0) (#142)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:14 PM EST
    as if its not the setting to make McCain stronger. The problem for McCain is he is uncomfortable all the time now.

    Parent
    Can someone else (none / 0) (#121)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:23 PM EST
    pick up the summaries? I want to watch the body language for a while.

    Note that McCain is once again (none / 0) (#122)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:50 PM EST
    lying that offshore drilling will reduce domestic oil prices.

    McCain against pills? (none / 0) (#123)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:50 PM EST
    Sounds like he could use some.

    And against "goodies".  What's wrong with goodies.  I like goodies.

    That one????? Jeebus help me (none / 0) (#125)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:50:29 PM EST


    take a break litagatormom (none / 0) (#126)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:50:54 PM EST
    we'll be fine

    McCain not looking at Obama (none / 0) (#127)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:51:01 PM EST
    while Obama talks about healthcare.

    That one????? Jeebus help me (none / 0) (#128)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:51:15 PM EST


    McCain (none / 0) (#129)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:51:33 PM EST
    Wandering around the stage when Obama is speaking. Looks lost.

    Ha (none / 0) (#133)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:53:21 PM EST
    Just say NO! (none / 0) (#130)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:51:39 PM EST
    Do you think health care should be a commodity.  NO!

    I HATE GOVT!!! (none / 0) (#135)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:53:57 PM EST
    Let's have anarchy!!!! YARRRHH!!!

    Mandates are scary (none / 0) (#136)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:54:02 PM EST
    Obama will find you. Boo!

    Errors, as they call them? (none / 0) (#137)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:54:06 PM EST
    Jesus, just listening on the radio I'm ready to call the Knoxville 9-1-1 number.

    Are you guys sure he's okay?

    LOL, really, he's no more deranged than usual. (none / 0) (#139)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:01 PM EST
    Obama has mandates? Since when? (none / 0) (#138)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:54:14 PM EST


    McCain (none / 0) (#143)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:29 PM EST
    Let's put medical records on line! That will be efficient!

    Obama is talking about government. Government will do this. Government will do that. Obama will fine employers and parents who don't have plans. I will give everyone tax credit. We will cross state lines! People go across state lines to buy things. LIKE ELLIOT SPITZER. Combo of tax credits and additional taxes will put more money in your hands to buy the insurance of their choice.  The choice to buy private insurance with less coverage for at least 2x as much money as the tax credit.


    Did he just (none / 0) (#145)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:42 PM EST
    take a subtle swipe at Biden?

    Yes, he did (none / 0) (#150)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:57:00 PM EST
    The plugs.

    Or maybe he's thinking about the time Cindy noticed that he was going a little thin on top.

    Parent

    Talk about family values. (none / 0) (#161)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:00:32 PM EST
    Taking pot shots at a man in grieving.

    Parent
    I pay 600. a month (none / 0) (#147)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56:07 PM EST
    for my plan--no employer--that tax credit wouldn't help me--health ccare right or responsibility?
    wingnut talking point way to choose Brokaw

    Mine would be 1000 per month (none / 0) (#153)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:57:25 PM EST
    if my employer did not pay it

    Parent
    I pay for my own (none / 0) (#164)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:02:14 PM EST
    as I am an "employer" (partner in law firm). I pay over $12k a year for a family of four.  For a family plan, our employees pay about $400-500. You think my secretary can afford to pay MORE than $12k a year? Because my $12k a year, though I pay it myself, would be higher if I weren't buying it in our firm's pool.

    Parent
    I pay (none / 0) (#203)
    by Jjc2008 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:54 PM EST
    $4800 for JUST ME. I am part of a group.....the district I retired from let me stay a part of the group but I just pay it all.  But now, because I am 63, they are throwing me and all other retirees out....we have until June 09 to join our retiree group.

    The premiums are a little cheaper but there is a huge deductible.  And my co pays will be about the same or more.  

    Parent

    McCain sounds like he's (none / 0) (#151)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:57:08 PM EST
    whining  

    we should have available health care McCain says (none / 0) (#152)
    by thereyougo on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:57:24 PM EST
    wow Obama hit them with his mom's death @ 53.

    that was powerful

    Obama hits McCain hard (none / 0) (#155)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:58:21 PM EST
    on children's healthcare.

    McCain's tone (none / 0) (#156)
    by snstara on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:58:56 PM EST
    is totally condescending.  He speaks as if he is addressing small children.

    Sen. McCain, when you are not my grandpa, but rather seeking my vote, do not use your 'I'm going to tell you a story' voice with me!

    I hate mccain (none / 0) (#159)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:59:34 PM EST


    This week. . . (5.00 / 0) (#165)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:03:10 PM EST
    I've come around to your way of thinking.

    That crap sandwich Boehner didn't want to vote for?  Now it's running for President on the Republican ticket.  With puke slaw on the side.

    Parent

    winking puke slaw (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:04:39 PM EST
    Ba-dum-Bum! (none / 0) (#160)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:00:10 PM EST
    Thank you folks! I'll be here all week. The fine folks! Did he mention the fine!? Ha!

    $10 billlion a month in Iraq (none / 0) (#166)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:03:44 PM EST
    We need that money here.  Hello. Apparently McC thinks we have an endless line of credit on that one.

    THE SURGE!!!! (none / 0) (#168)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:04:34 PM EST
    Time to drink!

    Anyone watching on CNN? (none / 0) (#172)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:05:37 PM EST
    How are those little gizmos working?

    mccain is sinking (none / 0) (#176)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:06:48 PM EST
    with his answer on iraq...victory and honor my bee  hind

    Parent
    The uncommitteds (none / 0) (#191)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:10:55 PM EST
    are much more frequently, and strongly, positive for Obama than McCain.  On a great number of issues.  Women were flatlining (not a pun) at almost the near top of the spectrum for Obama on healthcare, I believe (I am not quite sure which aspect of the issue it was).  

    Do I trust CNN to assemble a representative group of people?  Erm...not really.

    Parent

    McCain is not doing great on CNN (none / 0) (#214)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:24 PM EST
    pretty much flat lining right now. Obama is doing better particularly among women.

    Parent
    my friends. no more please. (none / 0) (#174)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:06:28 PM EST


    women are just more compassionate than (none / 0) (#175)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:06:36 PM EST
    men in general. Watch those lines...caring about and for others - the line for women goes up. It goes down for men.

    What's the red line and the green line? (none / 0) (#177)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:06:54 PM EST
    McC: if we had listened to Obama, we would have had a wider war, Al Qaeda, Obama would bring our troops home in defeat. DRINK!!!

    green = men red = women (none / 0) (#183)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:38 PM EST
    green: men, red: women (none / 0) (#186)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:09:06 PM EST
    On the CNN instant focus group (none / 0) (#188)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:09:31 PM EST
    if independent voters running graph.

    Parent
    red line women (none / 0) (#189)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:09:45 PM EST
    green line men

    Parent
    You are not my friend, buddy. (none / 0) (#178)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:07:27 PM EST
    (I'm not your buddy, guy!)
    (I'm not your guy, friend!)

    McCain says we need a Cool Hand. . . (none / 0) (#179)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:07:54 PM EST
    Please, Obama, say "John, you know perfectly well no one who's worked with you, Democrat or Republican, would ever describe you as a cool hand!"

    And then. . . (none / 0) (#181)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:15 PM EST
    hit him with a stick.

    Parent
    Nashville Debate (none / 0) (#180)
    by Ladyjustice on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:09 PM EST
    format and forum not conducive for an equitable debate.  Brokaw has always clearly been conservative,continues to allow McCain more time and more asides. Brokaw and McCain are lynching Obama, but you know what, Obama has battled this type of assault all of his life.

    Senator McCain - (none / 0) (#192)
    by snstara on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:10:58 PM EST
    you are not my friend!

    Notice how when (none / 0) (#193)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:10:58 PM EST
    McC is talking, Obama pays attention? McC still doesn't want to look at him.

    Katie Ann gets her question: should US respect Pakistani sovereignty, or should it pursue terorists over borders?

    BO: talking about Afghanistan and taking eye off the ball. Not sure this is responsive. The question was about Pakistan. Oh, now he ties it in. Must get out of Iraq so that we can focus on keeping terrorists from crossing border from Afhganistan to Pakistan. Change policy, if we have OBL in our sights, we have to act.

    Larry you (none / 0) (#197)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:13:13 PM EST
    are cracking me up?

    Ooooo. . . (none / 0) (#205)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:16:00 PM EST
    I hate to even talk about my old veteran friend.  I hate to do it.  Don't make me tell you I was a POW.

    McCain is flatlining on CNN (none / 0) (#206)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:16:03 PM EST


    Teddy Roosevelt (none / 0) (#207)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:16:18 PM EST
    DRINK!

    BO: nobody called for the invasion of Pakistan. What I said was if Pakistan is unwilling or unable to take out OBL, we should.

    McC says I'm green around the ears, he is somber and sober -- he sings bomb bomb bomb Iran, called for annihilation of North Korea. Barely finished in Afghanistan, let's go to Iraq! This isn't good judgment.

    McC: I want equal time to respond. Not true. I have supported those efforts where US had to go in militarily, and opposed when we didn't. YEAH, WE NEEDED TO GO TO IRAQ, BUT NOT BOSNIA WHERE ETHNIC CLEANSING WAS GOING ON. I won't telegraph my intentions. WHAT IS BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN?

    I'll get him, (none / 0) (#208)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:16:34 PM EST
    I know how to get him. . . I'll really get him.

    Best quote eva.

    too bad Mccain (none / 0) (#211)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:00 PM EST
    kept this to himself all these years

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    I know, right?! (none / 0) (#219)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:20:26 PM EST
    Please Sen. McCain! Enquiring minds want to know!

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    McCain is making Palin look good (none / 0) (#209)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:16:55 PM EST
    that answer made no sense to me at all

    What do green and red lines mean (none / 0) (#210)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:17:38 PM EST
    on CNN?

    You need to wear the special glasses. . . (5.00 / 1) (#212)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:01 PM EST
    then the candidates leap out of the TV and look like they're in the living room with you.

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    It is the approval rating (none / 0) (#213)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:09 PM EST
    given by the focus group of uncommitted voters.  The lines go up on the graph when they like what they are hearing.

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    green is men (none / 0) (#216)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:34 PM EST
    red is women

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    women are red (none / 0) (#217)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:35 PM EST
    men green all are uncommitted Ohio voters

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    McC: Petraeus is taking over (none / 0) (#215)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:32 PM EST
    responsibility for Afghanistan. PETRAEUS IS INFALLIBLE, IGNORE WHAT McKIERNAN SAYS!!! Obama still can't admit surge DRINK! was a success. People are living normal lives. IS HE KIDDING? NORMAL LIVES?  Victory, not defeat. DRINK.

    Brokaw hair (none / 0) (#218)
    by sallywally on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:19:58 PM EST
    When he looks to the side, I guess that would be he looks to the left, his hair doesn't seem to fit properly down toward his ears. It looks like a complete break.

    Is he wearing a rug?

    What is the difference between (none / 0) (#221)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:21:00 PM EST
    the red and green lines? Men and women? McCain's lines are going up when talking about big bad Russians and Georgia, naked aggression against tiny democracy.

    Once again. . . (none / 0) (#222)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:21:15 PM EST
    Obama is dominating on foreign affairs -- if anything, a better subject for him than the economy.  (My opinion of course).

    Never mind, I saw the answers above (none / 0) (#224)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:23:05 PM EST
    Not much difference between the men and women. Oops, now men going down. Obama's Georgia answer is not terribly fluent. I like the line about "seeing around the corners," though. And he's right.

    Yes or No, (none / 0) (#226)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:24:20 PM EST
    people, yes or no.

    Good point, BO (none / 0) (#227)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:25:10 PM EST
    Because Russia is oil rich, energy independence will reduce their influence around the world.

    Russia is evil empire? BO, they have engaged in evil behavior. McC: I can't say yes or no, because if I say yes, I am telegraphing, if no, I am tolerating evil behavior.

    Um, excuse me, John, didn't Obama just give a responsive answer? How come you couldn't?

    My friend! (none / 0) (#228)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:25:48 PM EST
    Drink!

    oh crap (none / 0) (#229)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:25:49 PM EST
    why this question now?
    economy please...more chocolate my friend

    "Without Preconditions!" (none / 0) (#230)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:26:57 PM EST
    DRINK!

    McCain didn't get mean really (none / 0) (#231)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:28:42 PM EST
    a tad snippy once or twice, but not what I expected.

    Does Claire McCaskill live with the Obamas? (none / 0) (#233)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:31:02 PM EST


    What will McCain learn (none / 0) (#234)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:33:02 PM EST
    What I don't know is what none of us know - what will happen. So does that mean  he'll never learn what he doesn't know?

    Women love him (O) (none / 0) (#235)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:33:23 PM EST
    what a laugh that Palin was supposed to peel off Dem women

    McCain was a POW (none / 0) (#237)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:33:59 PM EST


    Mccain: (none / 0) (#239)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:34:26 PM EST
    My mother basically raised me alone....

    Erm, John? How is that different from anyone else in your age group?

    "You're in the way (none / 0) (#241)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:35:06 PM EST
    of my script!"

    Best moment eva.

    Final Question... (none / 0) (#242)
    by Brillo on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:35:29 PM EST
    Obama's answer was just great before switching into the standard stump speech bit.  I have a feeling a lot of people have shut this off by now though.