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Obama-McCain Nashville Debate: Live Thread One

The Nashville debate between Senators Barack Obama and John McCain begins at 9pm ET on CNN. Big Tent Democrat, TChris, the TL Kid and I will be live-blogging.

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We'll ll be putting up some polls during it to see how you think the candidates and questioners are doing. If comments reach 200, we'll start a new thread.[More...]

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    Yep, McCain (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:38 PM EST
    gets a HOLC ( or HOME) proposal out there first. Wish it had come from Obama.

    He left his campaign (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:12:44 PM EST
    and accomplished nothing.

    Why does Obama (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by dutchfox on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:14:00 PM EST
    just mention the "middle class," and not "working class"? (So much for the idea that the Democratic party is for the marginalized and poor.)

    good point (5.00 / 0) (#23)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:04 PM EST
    fighting about cause of meltdown

    Obama talking about letters he wrote--wish he was stronger..."not me" sounds bad

    [ Parent ]

    Most people (none / 0) (#131)
    by TomStewart on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:52:20 PM EST
    whether they are or not, consider themselves part of the middle class.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama does not (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:20:09 PM EST
    sound empathetic.  He sounds patronizing to the woman who says "why should we trust either of you?"

    I don't think so . . . (none / 0) (#37)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:21:49 PM EST
    his whole answer, I think, is a better view on his tone.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't agree. (none / 0) (#42)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:45 PM EST
    The opposite actually

    [ Parent ]
    BOTH accused the asker "cynicism" (none / 0) (#199)
    by lambert on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:14:05 PM EST
    In other words, they're both Villagers.

    I'd say, realistic.

    [ Parent ]

    I find the camera angles and the setting (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:21:28 PM EST
    very distracting.  Ot maybe neither one of them are very interesting tonight.

    Reason #8917239812 (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by liminal on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:00 PM EST
    I should not listen to the debate:

    when both candidates start going on about their prescience about our current economic troubles, I make obscene noises at my radio.  Listening to McCain and Obama be all self-congratulatory re their letter writing skills.   "I knew what was happening!  I wrote a letter!  Let me show you my letter!  I took a picture of myself with the newspaper on that date to prove that it was me then!"

    It's petty, but it annoys the heck out of me, from both of them.  

    audience reaction up now on CNN (5.00 / 0) (#69)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:08 PM EST


    Seriously, (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:35:56 PM EST
    I do care about energy but social security, and healthcare are way more visceral for me.  It makes the political point scoring efforts re: energy on both their parts a little weird.  

    I am more or less happy with Obama right now.  He is doing a good job connecting.  And the CNN uncommitteds in Ohio are loving him.  

    leave Social Security (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:46 PM EST
    ALOOOOONNNEEE!

    Pleeeaaasse!!! (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:39:54 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Here here!! (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:40:05 PM EST
    n/t

    [ Parent ]
    Is it me, (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:49 PM EST
    or is McCain getting a little testy now?

    Come on McCain . . . say it! Say it now!

    He's getting snarly and snarky (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:42:16 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I am bipartisan (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
    both parties hate me.

    Everyone but dear sweet Lieberman

    I'd like more specifics on climate change (5.00 / 0) (#116)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:48:07 PM EST
    can't one of them even endorse A Gore's suggestions?

    Obama (5.00 / 0) (#118)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:01 PM EST
    lecturing again...I want him to feel my pain!
    Connect, darn it...Brokaw and his light remark stupid...global warming not my top priority--jobs and economy, please!

    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:53:01 PM EST
    McCain says he will give $5000 tax credit, but tax your healthcare benefits. He giveth and taketh away. Strip states' ability to mandate no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. Business has opposed McCain plan. YES, he read the NYT article.

    Let's have (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:53:50 PM EST
    Walk-in centers? WTF!!!? We have those you twit!

    give it up JMCain, fork him he's done (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by thereyougo on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:07 PM EST
    5000$ for insurance per year? What world is he in?

    the world of free government insurance (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56:04 PM EST
    and a very very rich wife.

    [ Parent ]
    Go to Arizona. . . (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:13 PM EST
    from Tennessee to get your health care?  Is that what he said?  Maybe I wasn't listening.

    OMG (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:55:36 PM EST
    I can't wait to "go across state lines" for healthcare under John McCain!  Hopefully the treatment is preventative!

    My heart hurts a little bit, knowing how hard Hillary would've schooled McCain.  But bless her heart for paving the way to the nation trusting Dems on healthcare WAY more than Republicans.

    I'm just sitting her thinking the same thing. (none / 0) (#163)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:01:41 PM EST
    Neither one of them is Hillary. Obama's health care answers are better but he keeps jumbling his words out of order. Something about pre-existing conditions he said kind of backwards.

    [ Parent ]
    Still (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:06:18 PM EST
    some of the faces I saw when he spoke about healthcare were just plastered with expectancy and hope (sorry, I don't have a great vocabulary to describe expressions of listening!!)  And I think Obama will be able to help, at least a little.  

    And healthcare is still Hillary's sh*t.  She will be all over it I think.

    [ Parent ]

    Health Care is a Right (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56:58 PM EST
    Finally someone says it. Thank you.

    McCain (5.00 / 0) (#157)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:59:02 PM EST
    thinks its a "responsibility." WTF does that mean? McC says he wants kids to have insurance, but he voted against government program (SCHIP??)

    On government involvment: yes, government must crack down on the cheaters who hide exclusions in fine print. Going from state to state? Insurance companies will go to a state that has no mandates. They can find a state that permits all kinds of exclusions.

    [ Parent ]

    OOPS! (5.00 / 0) (#158)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:59:14 PM EST
    Delaware.

    Oops.

    Otherwise -- GREAT answer on health care.

    Oh gawd I'm loaded. (5.00 / 0) (#169)
    by Faust on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:04:34 PM EST
    One too many my friends my friends.

    Obama on health care (5.00 / 0) (#171)
    by Nathan In Nola on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:05:07 PM EST
    Fantastic answer, and probably one of the first of this debate that actually touched people.

    let's worship Reagan (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:28 PM EST
    McCain blows kisses, talks about his superior war judgement  too awful

    Wha?????/ (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:42 PM EST
    The reason my judgment on Iraq was sounds is because I had the judgment to tell Reagan not to send our kids into a meat grinder???

    Twit.

    McCain is hanging around Palin too much (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:10:03 PM EST
    he's starting to sound like her

    [ Parent ]
    Petreus has never been (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:09:18 PM EST
    the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    Facts, schmacts (none / 0) (#196)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:12:13 PM EST
    Now McC is attacking Obama for announcing he would attack another country. WE SHOULD DO IT SECRETLY!

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah...just like McCain was soooo (none / 0) (#200)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:14:48 PM EST
    quiet about his distain for Russia during the Ossertia crisis

    [ Parent ]
    Roosevelt McCains hero (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:11:41 PM EST
    thought it was Reagan...

    Teddy Roosevelt! (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:11:47 PM EST
    Hit him with the stick.  Hit him with the STICK!

    You're likeable enough, Tom! (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:13:38 PM EST
    Heh.

    Heh heh. (none / 0) (#201)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:09 PM EST
    n/t

    [ Parent ]
    heh (none / 0) (#202)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:48 PM EST
    but I don't find mumbles very likable actually

    [ Parent ]
    I don't drink so I'm eating chocolate (5.00 / 1) (#220)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:20:49 PM EST
    for every "my Friends" I now weigh 500 pounds.

    Brokaw hair - lol (5.00 / 1) (#223)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:21:28 PM EST
    Yes, this is a riveting debate!

    oh what a lame question (5.00 / 1) (#225)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:24:09 PM EST
    evil empire crap

    Oh, stop, McCain with the (5.00 / 1) (#232)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:30:45 PM EST
    not so subtle references to your Navy service.

    Would we commit military to defend Israel if Iran attacked?

    McC: we wouldn't wait for UN, other countries would block. Iran must not get nuclear weapons. Ahmedinejad says Israel a stinking corpse. Obama would meet with him without conditions. Tough sanctions with our friends. League of Democracies? Who is he, Woodrow Wilson? We're going to end run the UN with a league of just our friends? No Holocaust.

    BO: nukes in Iran unacceptable. Never take military options off the table. Israel our best ally in MidEast, one of our best in the world. Must work more effectively wiht other countries, reduce energy consumsption so Iran has less money and influence.  Put the squeeze on them. We should have direct talks not just with friends but with enemies. To make direct point that if no change in behavior, sanctions. If you do, you rejoin community of nations. It helped in North Korea. Bush stops talking to Iran, now many centrifuges.

    Internet question from New Hampshire. What don't you know, and how will you learn it? Sheesh. "What kind of a tree would you be?"

    both men (5.00 / 1) (#236)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:33:40 PM EST
    do not convince me that they are like me, okay?

    I think Obama won (5.00 / 0) (#238)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:34:24 PM EST
    but McCain's last answer was better.

    I know how to fight (5.00 / 1) (#240)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:34:44 PM EST
    through tough times. I WAS A POW!  DID YOU KNOW?  Give me another opportunity, I will rest on my reputation, but when times are tough, you need a steady hand on the tiller.

    That disqualifies you, John.

    Michelle (5.00 / 0) (#243)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:35:49 PM EST
    I love a woman who has the nerve to wear a red dress.

    Wolf notes that (5.00 / 0) (#244)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:37:01 PM EST
    it is apparent that McC has disdain for Obama, and that was apparent at points during this debate.

    Wow, quite a comment from Wolfie.

    Sorry about your mom BO, but (1.00 / 2) (#154)
    by patriotgames on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:57:58 PM EST
    then WHY are you being funded by the Insurance intrests???

    SITE VIOLATOR. patriotgames. (5.00 / 0) (#162)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:01:35 PM EST
    trolling.

    [ Parent ]
    REALLY? (1.00 / 2) (#167)
    by patriotgames on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:04:06 PM EST
    Are you saying that Insurance companies AREN'T major contirbutors to BO's campaign?

    Do you have a problem with reality Larry?

    [ Parent ]

    1 me all you want (1.00 / 1) (#185)
    by patriotgames on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:08:57 PM EST
    it doesn't change the facts.

    BO IS being funded by the insurance intersts.

    [ Parent ]

    Brokaw has selected a long list (none / 0) (#1)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:03:09 PM EST
    of excellent questions from the audience and the internets. We won't get to all of them, but we will have an excellent discussion. Two minutes to answer, 1 minute followup. (I assume the followup is by the guy who didn't get the question.)

    crud (none / 0) (#2)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:03:27 PM EST
    my cable  just went out.  Forced to  watch on Fox!

    What is with these left handed people? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:04:29 PM EST
    Bill C, Obama, McCain. How many Presidents are left handed?

    Only the best ones (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:05:37 PM EST
    that from a lefty.  

    [ Parent ]
    Jimmy Carter. My husband. Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Angel on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:46 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oh Obama (none / 0) (#5)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:06:03 PM EST
    please keep it simple!

    I think McCain wrote down the question (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:06:21 PM EST
    one of our hosts was asking

    Oops. The camera showed the questioner (none / 0) (#7)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:06:35 PM EST
    at the end.

    answers (none / 0) (#8)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:08:21 PM EST
    McCain is rambling too.  First "my friends"...

    Is McAin talking about HOLC? (none / 0) (#9)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:08:50 PM EST
    something like it anyway?

    god, Brokaw (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:10:19 PM EST
    they are not going to answer that.  They will just ramble.

    Didn't ebay just (none / 0) (#11)
    by Lahdee on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:10:31 PM EST
    announce layoffs?

    My own drinking game (none / 0) (#12)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:32 PM EST
    Senator McCain is right!  Mojito for me

    McCain still not looking (none / 0) (#14)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:44 PM EST
    at Obama.

    Brokaw notes that a lot has changed since last debate. World has changed. Coin flip says Obama talks first.

    With the economy on downturn, seniors losing income and investment, what is fastest way to bailout us out?

    BO: Worst financial crisis in years. Worried about your jobs, retirements, college. I believe this is a final verdict on the failed policies of Bush, supported by McCain. De-regulate, prosperity rains down on us. We need to take action. First: Rescue package of last week: strong oversight. AIG execs went on junket one week after bailout. Second: middle class needs bailout. Tax cuts. Infrastructure, create jobs, health care, energy independence, help middle class not those who can afford to hire lobbyists.

    McCain: Americans angry and upset. Our job is to fix it. Energy independence. Tax cuts for ALL Americans. Huge debt on younger people. Cut spending. "This problem has become so severe that we have to do something about home values. Declining values, I would order SecTreasury to buy up bad mortgages and and force renegotiate mortgages. Until we fix mortgage crisis, we will never fix economy. I know how to get economy. My proposal, not Obama's, not Bush's. I know how to fix economy, my friends. DRINK.

    Brokaw: who would you appoint to run this?

    McCain: Not you Tom. (Has Tom fallen out of the tank.)

    McCain: Buffet, Meg Whitman. (Does he know she just cut 10k jobs at eBay.) Problem is greed, excess, corruption.

    Obama: Buffet would be a very good choice, and I am pleased to have his support. Important not to help just those at the top. Important to help middle class. McC thought economy was sound. Earnings have flatlined. Harder and harder to save. Tax cut to 95% of Americans. McC is right (DRINK) that we have to help mortgage crisis, but ... I lost the rest.

    yes ebay did (none / 0) (#15)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:48 PM EST
    thousands of folks buh bye

    They could ditch the mikes (none / 0) (#16)
    by dutchfox on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:11:52 PM EST
    They seem so unwieldy. There are better ones, for sure.

    I don't like this circle of people. They keep (none / 0) (#17)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:12:22 PM EST
    turning this way and that to address the audience and it's distracting. Bush would have been up the creek with his box out in the open that way. :)

    It gives me a town halll flashback (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:14:14 PM EST
    Bush telling Gore he owned a lumber company (or maybe it was the other way around).

    [ Parent ]
    Here comes the Repubs Fannie (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:13:31 PM EST
    and Freddie nonsense. Is this the only tune the Repubs can sing?

    Does Obama have a stick? (none / 0) (#22)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:14:56 PM EST
    I want him to hit McCain with a stick.  Hard.

    he could use (none / 0) (#26)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:35 PM EST
    that big old microphone

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry. . . (none / 0) (#28)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:17:55 PM EST
    I'm listening on the radio.  So I can't see the mike.  Is it big enough to really hurt?  I was thinking of a stick with rusty nails sticking out of it.

    [ Parent ]
    Well bye folks... (none / 0) (#24)
    by dutchfox on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:28 PM EST
    Live blogging ain't for me...I'm gonna go watch it in my living room.

    How does bailout help people who are affected? (none / 0) (#25)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:16:30 PM EST
    McC: All Fannie may and Freddie. I warned. Democrats defended what Fannie and Freddie were doing. They were getting contributions. Obama the 2d highest recipient in history. Must stabilize home values. But Fannie and Freddie were catalysts that started forest fires. Some of us stood up. Others took a hike.

    BO: first, how will this help you? Open up credit, so businesses can make payroll and expenses. Millions of companies having this problem. Now, I've got McCain's history. Biggest problem was de-regulation of financial industry. As recently as last March, McCain said he's a de-reulgator. I wrote to Paulson, said we need to regulate. I went to Wall Street last year, said we need regulation. McCain resisted. I never promoted Fannie MAe. McCain's campaign manager was lobbyist for Fannie. But you don't want to hear all this political stuff. The bailout is just the start. Paulson has power to intervene with mortgages. He hasn't done it yet.

    Has McCain looked at Obama yet? (none / 0) (#27)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:17:38 PM EST
    I tuned in late.

    He just did (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:29 PM EST
    first time I saw

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, oh, He just did: My Friend. (none / 0) (#29)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:24 PM EST
    :)

    Wow, STILL playing defense. . . (none / 0) (#31)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:40 PM EST
    on his "fundamentals are sound" statement.  The workers!  I meant the workers!

    Brokaw asks (none / 0) (#32)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM EST
    if Obama is saying that economy is going to get a lot worse?

    BO: No, but we have to set up a better regulatory system, 20th Century regs for 21st Century market. Have to help people stay in their homes. Change culture in Washington so that lobbyists aren't in control.

    McCain: it depends on what we do [if economy gets worse]. Depends on helping mortgage borrowers, eliminate cronyism. I wrote a letter warning of crisis, Obama's name isn't on it. Americans are best workers, most innovative, we have to give them a chance.

    Trick question. . . (none / 0) (#35)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:20:33 PM EST
    no one wants to talk down the economy.

    Want they really want to say is "if you vote for that bozo, we won't even know how to spell the word economy in six months."

    [ Parent ]

    "Looks like (none / 0) (#33)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:19:04 PM EST
    I'm going to have to correct McCain's record again, not surprising . . ."

    zing

    Seems to be all economy so far. (none / 0) (#38)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:22:01 PM EST
    Not so good for McCain.  McCain sounds weak (physically) on the radio.

    What's he look like on TV. . . (none / 0) (#40)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:20 PM EST
    On the radio, he sounds like he's having to stop to breath frequently and might not make it through is "he voted for" answer.

    [ Parent ]
    his movements seem lumbering (5.00 / 0) (#47)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:32 PM EST
    and stiff.

    [ Parent ]
    I can't believe how bad. . . (none / 0) (#49)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:41 PM EST
    McCain sounds on the radio.  Does he look well?

    [ Parent ]
    He's walking around a lot while he talks (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:06 PM EST
    maybe it sounds different depending on how he holds the microphone.

    [ Parent ]
    MCCain has terrible make-up (none / 0) (#39)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:22:09 PM EST
    really macabre.

    He's gotta be crossing that line too close to (none / 0) (#41)
    by Teresa on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:42 PM EST
    the audience.

    How can we trust either of you (none / 0) (#43)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:23:52 PM EST
    when both parties got us into this global crisis?

    BO: understand your frustration. If you make less money, you make cuts in spending, you act responsibility. That doesnt' happen in Washington. And there is responsiblity all around. But remember, Bush had surplus, now enormous deficit. Debt has increased. No one is completely innocent, but we've had biggest deficit spending. McCain voted for 4 out of 5 budgets from Bush. I want to spend money in key areas. [cramp in my hand] Obama is cutting more than I am spending. Net spending cut. Priorities will work for you, not those who are dictating the agenda now, lobbyists.

    McC: I can understad why you feel cynicism and distrust. I am a consistent reformer. DRINK. Fought special interests, bipartisanship. Situation now calls for bipartisanship. OBama has never stood up to his own party. I have clear record. National Org. Against Waste, National Taxpayers Association. SOMEONE CHECK WHAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS OUT. Obama is proposing $800 billion in new spending, while I have fought pork barrel, Obama has voted for a billion dollars in pork (doesn't everyone who votes for a budget), my friends DRINK you need a reformer. Energy independence, DRILL BABY DRILL, I know how to fix this economy and end $700 billion sent overseas.
     

    Funny on both sides. (none / 0) (#44)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:24:02 PM EST
    Both Obama and McCain are saying, "Now the voters don't want to see us point fingers, but..."

    McCain is obviously trying to step out of his record, but it's obvious that both are trying to tiptoe around it getting too rough.

    I cannot believe (none / 0) (#45)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:24:25 PM EST
    that McCain is actually pushing the HOLC idea!  It's crazy!  BTD was right.  But at this point he's getting back into Republican cliches.  Obama moves well, and seems to be connecting and listening better.  

    What was it?  A Chicago telescope?  Chicago telescope < Campaign Manager Lobbyied for Fannie & Freddie.  Sorry "my friends."

    Fear mongering from both candidates (none / 0) (#46)
    by lobary on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:24:27 PM EST
    The economy is crap right now, but it is not anywhere close to the greatest crisis since the Great Depression.

    lieberman is reaching (none / 0) (#48)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:37 PM EST
    across the aisle McCain?  More like turning and finding him attached, leechlike, to your side!

    I lol'ed (none / 0) (#51)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:26:19 PM EST
    at this :-)

    [ Parent ]
    UGH! (none / 0) (#50)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:25:51 PM EST
    Those G**damn earmarks!!! I swear, if I hear the word "earmarks" from anyone ever again, I'm going to have a conniption!!!

    Ha! (none / 0) (#52)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:26:20 PM EST
    Reaching across the aisle to Lieberman! Hell he just needs to reach around front to say hello and thanks for the favors.

    CNN very positive for Obama now (none / 0) (#54)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:03 PM EST
    once he mentioned gas prices..the lines took off.

    audience reaction, that is (none / 0) (#56)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Thought you meant gas lines. . . (none / 0) (#60)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:29:27 PM EST
    "$3.80!  I gotta get me some a' that cheap gas!"

    [ Parent ]
    Obama should say: (none / 0) (#57)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:27:41 PM EST
    If I am elected, Social Security will be safe, because it will be a priority.

    Yeah, he probably should have. . . (none / 0) (#59)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:28:42 PM EST
    pointed out McCain's promise of lower Social Security benefits.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm glad he did not mention it (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:25 PM EST
    It is not in serious trouble. Ne does not need to promote that myth, even if it is to say he will save it.

    [ Parent ]
    the hell.... (none / 0) (#92)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:38 PM EST
    SS is in trouble IF McCain is president, not if O is.

    this is our choice

    [ Parent ]

    Brokaw (none / 0) (#58)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:28:18 PM EST
    What will be your priorities?  Health care, energy, or entitlements?

    McC: we can do all three. We have to cut entitlements, we will have to cut benefits that people have had. Bipartisan agreement, I know how to bipartisan, build new nookleeeur plants, we can do everything! $700 billion spent overseas ends up with terrorists. Health care, people are struggling, need to be affordable. All three at once.

    Obama: we are going to have to prioritize just like families do. Energy we have to deal with today. Prices are hi and could go up. Bad for family budget and bad for national security. We have to deal with that right away. $15 billion a year for ten years, in ten years we are free. When JFK said go to the moon in 10 years, we didn't know how, but we knew we would find a way. Health care -- bad for families, bad for businesses struggling to be competitive. McCain talks about records, and earmarks. I will go through every agency, make approrpriate cuts. But we also have to figure out what our taxes are paying for. McCain wants $4billino in tax cuts to rich and corporations, that's money out of the system.

    Brokaw whinges about time limits.

    "We're gonna have to prioritize (none / 0) (#61)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:29:56 PM EST
    just as a family has to prioritize" - Obama.  He is dropping family/gov't comparisons all over.  And I think it is working.  

    Honestly, Obama is extremely telegenic.  His eye contact is fantastic, and he rises smoothly from his chair in expectation of the next question.  He seems to be listening to McCain (bipartisan points!!)  McCain in comparison seems miserly.  

    I think Obama can just outlast McCain here.  But he has to watch out, because I think the McCain camp is hoping, if nothing else, that they can trap him into saying something typically liberal or otherwise damning, and then replay it in an advertisement.

    I've always thought. . . (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    Honestly, Obama is extremely telegenic.  His eye contact is fantastic, and he rises smoothly from his chair in expectation of the next question.  He seems to be listening to McCain (bipartisan points!!)  McCain in comparison seems miserly.  

    that the fundamental comparison of McCain and Obama side-by-side on TV is what the election would turn on.  And that fundamental certainly seems to be strong.

    [ Parent ]

    Larry you have GOT (none / 0) (#89)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:40:46 PM EST
    to get yourself in front of a TV!

    And how is it that you're listening on radio anyway?  

    BTW, McCain is so terrible that Obama being professorial is actually now "hey, this class is okay, or fun even!" versus who is this guy crawling around, knocking the prof?  Town hall in some ways works well for Obama because he's professorial.  

    [ Parent ]

    Is he serious?!?!?! (none / 0) (#62)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:30:34 PM EST
    A spending freeze? What's he smokin? 'Cause I want some.

    Other vital programs... (none / 0) (#63)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:30:39 PM EST
    Care to include Medicare/Medicaid,McCain?

    ah, what the heck is McCain talking about now? (none / 0) (#64)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:30:55 PM EST


    A lot of you remember 9/11? (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:31:44 PM EST
    gee, ya think?  

    Sorry, but spare the snark, spoil the candidate.

    Hey folks, just tuning in (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:17 PM EST
    How're we doing?

    Obama seems very comfortable in (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by byteb on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:35:54 PM EST
    this town hall setting...just as comfortable and maybe even more so than McCain. I think Obama is doing well. McCain is distributing 'my friends' and 'earmarks' in his remarks and starting to be snarly.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama hasn't hit him with a stick. (none / 0) (#73)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:34:44 PM EST
    Otherwise, seems more of the same -- candidates talk about economy, both do OK, Obama sounds more to the point (in my opinion).

    Wish he'd brought the stick, though.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama talked about Americans (none / 0) (#78)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:37:14 PM EST
    sacrificing by conserving energy

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks all (none / 0) (#88)
    by andgarden on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:40:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    oh heck (none / 0) (#67)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:22 PM EST
    Obama is rambling and lecturing re energy

    Sacrifices = conserve energy. (none / 0) (#68)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:32:33 PM EST
    THANK YOU!!!!

    Interent question (none / 0) (#70)
    by litigatormom on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:33:19 PM EST
    What sacrifices will you ask for? We have not been asked to sacrifice?

    McC: we will have to elminate programs that aren't working. He said something about benefits too. Defense spending. Corrupt contracts. Have to eliminate earmarks, some are really good projects but will have to be eliminated and be subjected to scrutiny. Spending freeze, except for defense, veterans affairs and ????, we must have freeze. (Hmm, SS, Medicare, etc.) Full transparency. Earmarks. DRINK. We can do all three at once. I am not going to tell people health insurance will have to wait. [Obama didn't say we'd wait.]

    Obama: after 9/11, country was ready to come together, make changes, Bush did some smart things at the outset, but missed opportunities to do other things. He said go shop. Not a call to service. People are hungry for leadership that will tackle problems not just in gov't, but outside in gov't. Each of us will have to think about how we use energy. We need to think about off shore drilling, tell oil companies not to hoard reserves, use it or lose it. Clean coal. But each of us needs to think about how to save. Provide incentives. Buy US cares. Weatherize home, make other stuff more fuel efficient. Young people of America are especially interested in service. Increase Peace Corp, domestic service. So troops and their families are not only ones protecting us.

    I am so frustrated (none / 0) (#74)
    by kmblue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:35:26 PM EST
    no blood yet, and they both aren't doing well.

    jello??? (none / 0) (#77)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:36:08 PM EST


    They serve it with the early bird. . . (none / 0) (#79)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:37:26 PM EST
    better than cake for folks with the dentures out.

    [ Parent ]
    they nail it to walls??? (none / 0) (#86)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:39:59 PM EST
    Is that an Arizona saying?

    [ Parent ]
    Nah. . . (none / 0) (#90)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:04 PM EST
    it's an expression meaning "hard to nail down".

    [ Parent ]
    sigh. (none / 0) (#101)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST
    I know. I was trying to be cute.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry. (none / 0) (#110)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:52 PM EST
    Third time this week my snark-o-meter has failed.  I'll have to get it overhauled -- if I can get a loan.

    [ Parent ]
    good luck with that (none / 0) (#111)
    by coigue on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:46:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    35 minutes in and (none / 0) (#80)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:37:40 PM EST
    five "my friends". Thank god I didn't get into any drinking contests.

    oops six, he threw in another while I was typing.

    7 (none / 0) (#91)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    8 (none / 0) (#95)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:41:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    9 (none / 0) (#103)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:43:30 PM EST
    I would burst a bladder if i was just drinking ice tea at this point.

    [ Parent ]
    Someone call an ambulance! (none / 0) (#108)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:45:30 PM EST
    My Grey Goose is cooked!

    [ Parent ]
    10-11-12-13 (none / 0) (#124)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:49:56 PM EST
    I refuse to count anymore "my friends". He's killing me and he's losing it.

    [ Parent ]
    14-15-16-17-18 (none / 0) (#204)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 09:15:56 PM EST
    I couldn't help myself. It's like seeing a train wreck. Thank goodness his handlers have worked at stopping this quirk.

    [ Parent ]
    Triage (none / 0) (#81)
    by mutatio on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:18 PM EST
    Comes to mind in re: to Obama's comments on economics. You don't rush a paper cut (millionare) ahead of a gunshot wound (school teacher).

    "Can I respond to that?" (none / 0) (#82)
    by shoulin4 on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:38:26 PM EST
    Nope. Sorry. Next question.