Drains Unclogged, Peace Treaties Negotiated: Joe Does It All

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Posted on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:09:12 PM EST
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Maybe the Republican Party should run Joe the Plumber as its next presidential candidate. Not only is he touted as an authority on tax policy, he's started offering his wisdom as a foreign policy expert.

There was a “Joe the Plumber” bus tour yesterday in Ohio. Joe the Plumber (aka Joe Wurzelbacher) teamed up with Congressman Rob Portman (who was allegedly on McCain’s VP short list) and they went to five different towns in Ohio stumping for the Republican nominee. ...
On the first leg of the five-town “Joe the Plumber World Invasion” tour, Wurzelbacher ran into a supporter who asked Joe if he believed, “a vote for Barack Obama means death to Israel.” ... “I’ll go ahead and agree with you on that,” he said.

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Joe later admitted that he really didn't know all that much about foreign affairs. No kidding.

Shepherd Smith over at Fox News had Wurzelbacher on the air after he made the ominous comment. A very clumsy exchange ensued with Wurzelbacher seeming to be stumped with his own statement, putting up, at one point, the equivalent of a white flag.
“Listen, you don’t want my opinion on foreign policy. I know just enough probably to be dangerous,” he said.

“Yeah, well that’s what I was kinda wondering,” Smith replied.

Joe's admission didn't stop John McCain from endorsing his analysis. McCain's campaign told Fox News:

"Joe has offered some penetrating and clear analysis that cuts to the core of many of the concerns that people have with Barack Obama’s statements and policies."

For the record, my clients Emma the embezzler, Fred the flasher, Dee Dee the drug dealer, and Barry the batterer all disagree with Joe the plumber, and are at least as qualified to render expert opinions about tax and foreign policy. Somehow Joe is the only one making the news. Emma, Fred, Dee Dee and Barry would like equal time.

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So will McCain be tapping Joe (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by coigue on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:21:49 PM EST

for secretary of state?

Perhaps a new and improved (5.00 / 3) (#6)
by oculus on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:31:48 PM EST

"Plumbers" from Watergate era.

[ Parent ]

: Heh! (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by Landulph on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:57:06 PM EST

Well, we know he's already pals with G. Gordon . . .

[ Parent ]

Good God Almighty (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM EST

the dizzying downward spiral of our discourse seems to have no bottom.

More pressure on the accelerator in our unimpeded stampede to become history's biggest joke.

I was actually contemplating not voting this year (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by of1000Kings on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:35:45 PM EST

just because I'm not happy with where the bailout situation is going and with Obama's seeming lack of progressiveness, but the McCain camp has become so severe with it's derisiveness and hate-mongering that our country will be set back decades so I now cannot withhold my vote...

seriously, the discourse is absurd...I cannot even watch national news anymore...

[ Parent ]

Okay (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:51:23 PM EST

So, you can't watch the national news but feel you should vote....

Somehow that doesn't compute!

[ Parent ]

I've been watching the nation news (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by of1000Kings on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:53:28 PM EST

for months now...

but now the McCain campaign has become so hateful that it's going to set us back at least 30 years in terms of class relations....

the problem I'm seeing is that you actually believe the national news can help someone make an INFORMED opinion....now that's laughable...

[ Parent ]

please do help us (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by coigue on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:56:31 PM EST

keep these jerks out of office.

[ Parent ]

Oh please (none / 0) (#56)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:37:55 PM EST

be serious. You don't need an excuse to vote for Obama. Be a man. Stand up and admit you want to.

[ Parent ]

I don't want to vote for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#98)
by of1000Kings on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 11:08:58 PM EST

I want to vote for Jesse Ventura...but obviously I can't, which is why I had decided to just stay home and save myself an hour+ of waiting in line...

but with the hate spewing coming forth from McCain and Palin I just can't stay home...

[ Parent ]

: Here's your motivation: (none / 0) (#101)
by coigue on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 12:51:08 PM EST

President Palin:
Do we hate the "unAmerican Americans? You betcha!"

[ Parent ]

I was contemplating 3rd party (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by 1040su on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:58:48 PM EST

I became so disgusted & disillusioned by the actions of everyone - the media, the Obama campaign, the Dem party establishement - during the primaries that I was going to vote for Cynthia McKinney. After all, I live in NY where Obama is ahead close to 30+ points, so they really don't need my vote. I didn't want to reward the behavior. But, the actions of the McCain campaign have become a danger to us all, but most especially to the Obama family. This is reprehensible & that one ups disgusted & disillusioned. I want these f@!#ers to be beat into oblivion! I want a land slide! So I'll be voting for Obama to try & make that happen.

[ Parent ]

I suppose hanging Palin's model (none / 0) (#57)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:18 PM EST

was just a joke....

Can you say.... "Hypocritical????"

[ Parent ]

Are you calling me hypocritical? (5.00 / 0) (#84)
by 1040su on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:40:27 PM EST

If so, please be advised that I have never hung anything and I find the person who did reprehensible as well. I will not be voting for him for anything either. Oh, he's not running for anything? Is he in the media? no? How about the Obama campaign? Or maybe part of the Dem establishment? Do you really find the tasteless actions of some random, thoughtless boob comparable to the kinds of speeches being given by the Republican VP candidate in front of thousands? Really?

[ Parent ]

If the shoe fits (2.00 / 0) (#85)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:51:24 PM EST

wear it.

And pointing out the background of Ayers, Wright and other associates of Obama is not racist, untoward, fattening, illegal or immoral.

You cannot even begin to compare that to hanging Palin in effigy.

[ Parent ]

: And (5.00 / 1) (#96)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:54:26 PM EST

no one made any such comparison. Try to pay a little closer attention.

[ Parent ]
: and the hanging Obama (5.00 / 1) (#97)
by of1000Kings on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 11:07:30 PM EST

effigy that I saw on the news today...
the discourse of hate that the McCain camp has brought to the table is leading to a lot of anger among both sides...

[ Parent ]

once (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by cpinva on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:39:07 PM EST

you become a caricature of yourself, it's no longer a caricature.

i don't blame mr. wurzelbacher, though clearly he's both uninformed and none to bright. no, the real fault lies with the mccain/palin campaign and the media, for turning this into "20 minutes of fame".

i believe in that same report, or another one, mr. wurzelbacher expressed interest in running for congress. he does meet the minimum constitutional requirements.

it would be great irony, if sen. mccain were forced to spend time with mr. wurzelbacher, as a congressional colleague. i suspect his head just might explode.

No great worry. (none / 0) (#20)
by Landulph on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:00:20 PM EST

Marcy Kaptur has been Toledo's Rep. for donkey's years (as it were). Even if Joe gets the GOP nod, and assuming anyone still remembers who he is by '10, it'll be a massacre. He's a sideshow attraction, nothing more.

[ Parent ]

I consider his knowledge of (none / 0) (#29)
by Wile ECoyote on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:35:52 PM EST

foreign policy on par with any number of celebrities highlighted here on TL. Probably a better boater than one one of them.

[ Parent ]

: I wish I had said that (none / 0) (#86)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:51:59 PM EST

[ Parent ]

It doesn't end (5.00 / 1) (#46)
by lilburro on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:29:50 PM EST

So now he is a full-blown campaign surrogate?

"Joe the Plumber is fast becoming a brand," said Jim Della Croce, president of the Nashville-based Pathfinder Management group, who is part of the trio that will be representing Mr. Wurzelbacher from now on. "He is a dynamic speaker and an everyman who has become an overnight celebrity. It's going to be our job to find Joe's strengths and give him some options."

So such for that... (none / 0) (#48)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:19:49 PM EST

..."tiring of the spotlight" BS he was sprouting the other day.

[ Parent ]

: err, spouting, not sprouting. lol. n/t (none / 0) (#49)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:22:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
: I look forward (none / 0) (#91)
by lilburro on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:00:02 PM EST

to his remake of Bedtime for Bonzo. Truly, the second coming of Reagan.

[ Parent ]

heh (1.00 / 2) (#10)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:49:50 PM EST

Joe was created by Obama and then inflated by the Left.

Sometimes people get what they deserve.

It's almost as if (5.00 / 4) (#17)
by Steve M on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:56:34 PM EST

McCain didn't reference him dozens of times in the final debate. No, it was all the doing of those sinister Lefties.

[ Parent ]

: PPJ has the habit of blaming teh Left (5.00 / 2) (#28)
by Dark Avenger on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:35:23 PM EST

for every ill Americans suffer from.
Failing to check his latest bit of mud-slinging for conformity with events in the real world shouldn't be held against him, it's just his way of demonstrating his social liberal credentials.

[ Parent ]

That's pretty funny (5.00 / 2) (#21)
by flyerhawk on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:04:57 PM EST

Yeah it was the left that forced McCain to adopt him like he was a puppy.

[ Parent ]

: Puppies are cuter. (5.00 / 2) (#43)
by nycstray on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:11:27 PM EST

Just sayin! ;)

[ Parent ]

ya, Faux news had nothing to do with it... (none / 0) (#14)
by of1000Kings on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:55:08 PM EST

[ Parent ]

The Left gave Fox the story... (none / 0) (#58)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:40:18 PM EST

: Because Fox (none / 0) (#75)
by Dark Avenger on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:03:44 PM EST

endeavors to be fair and balanced:

JOE WURZELBACHER, PLUMBER: Your new tax plan is going tax me more, isn't it?
OBAMA: It's not that I want to punish your success; I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance to success, too. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.
The only mention of Joe before that, using Google, was in a comment dated the 13th of the present month, in the Arizona Daily Star.
Of course, Fox just didn't happen to have a camera there to catch the exchange between Obama and Joe until the Left tipped them off because?
TTFN

[ Parent ]

????? What? (none / 0) (#18)
by coigue on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:57:04 PM EST

What are you talking about?

[ Parent ]

Sometimes, even us oldtimers... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:28:42 PM EST

...don't have a clue as to what ole' Jimmy is going on about. I don't think he does either.

[ Parent ]

In your case cluelessness (1.00 / 1) (#59)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:41:54 PM EST

is habitual... I would recommend fish oil but I read today that even that doesn't help

[ Parent ]

: QED n/t (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:51:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Any information on Joe's wardrobe (none / 0) (#1)
by oculus on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:13:05 PM EST

expenditures and source of same?

Probably a Walmart shopper (none / 0) (#9)
by flyerhawk on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:42:14 PM EST

so I'm guessing his outfit cost less than 40 bucks.

[ Parent ]

I understand that MSNBC (none / 0) (#15)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:55:12 PM EST

estimated it at $150,000.

[ Parent ]

Probobly because (5.00 / 2) (#38)
by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:22:56 PM EST

Walmart sold it to the Pentagon first.

[ Parent ]

: hehehe (none / 0) (#52)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:33:56 PM EST

That's actually funny.
God, I must be slipping..

[ Parent ]

"Penetrating and clear analysis"... (none / 0) (#3)
by kdog on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:25:21 PM EST

please tell me the campaign didn't say that...an unintentional comedy classic right there!

As for Israel, Obama will slide right into bed with them before the sheets get cold upon Bush's departure, and continue to arm them to the teeth. No worries AIPAC.

it's probably one of the first things a new (none / 0) (#5)
by of1000Kings on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:31:21 PM EST

president is briefed on...

the old testament, written by Hebrews, says that the Israelites were given the area by god, so it must be, above all no matter how it skews foreign policy...

sorry for the offense there, but I have been reading quite a bit about Joshua and the book of judges lately..from a biblical and historical perspective...and the Israel situation really perplexes me...how religion could govern our foreign policy so blindly...

[ Parent ]

I think it is less religion (none / 0) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:54:15 PM EST

and more that Israel is a friend and allie in the Middle East.

In fact, our only one.

And no I am not saying they will go against what they see as their self interest, just that it aligns more with ours than say Turkey and Pakistan..

[ Parent ]

True friends and allies... (none / 0) (#23)
by kdog on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:09:12 PM EST

don't get paid, they offer their friendship for free.

Good to see ya old man:)

[ Parent ]

A friend and ally (none / 0) (#35)
by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:09:55 PM EST

that's also been busted twice spying on the U.S --not counting all the Israeli "assets" that, according to a Fox report, were forced to leave the U.S after 9/11.

[ Parent ]

: Perhaps you missed the (none / 0) (#55)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:36:27 PM EST

"self interest" part?

[ Parent ]

hey dog! (none / 0) (#54)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:35:23 PM EST

Drop by to see me...

[ Parent ]

His name is not Joe... (none / 0) (#24)
by Richard in Jax on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:14:29 PM EST

It's Samuel.

: Unlike Obama he has a middle name (1.00 / 1) (#60)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:43:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
: My husband's name (none / 0) (#53)
by robert72 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:34:50 PM EST

is Thomas Patrick and he is now and has always been called Pat. Does this make him an object of ridicule or a liar? Hmmm? Would you say to him, "Your name is NOT Pat"? Don't be so silly.

[ Parent ]

So will the ACLU and progressives even mention (none / 0) (#25)
by Wile ECoyote on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:26:59 PM EST

this?

Inspector general investigating access to Joe the Plumber's personal information

Amid questions from the media and others about "Joe the Plumber," Jones-Kelley said she approved a check to determine if he was current on any ordered child-support payments.

I predict this is just the start of things under the next administration. Do not ask questions. Just go along. Do not allow President Obama to get off script.

President Obama... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by desertswine on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:34:32 PM EST

I kinda like the ring of that.

[ Parent ]

Not newsworthy (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by TChris on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:53:22 PM EST

Considering this (from the linked story):

She said there were no political reasons for the check on the sudden presidential campaign fixture ...

A nosy employee looking for information to satisfy curiosity isn't particularly worthy of discussion, as nefarious as the GOP will try to make it seem. No link to Obama whatsoever.

[ Parent ]

Well, (none / 0) (#32)
by bocajeff on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:58:56 PM EST

That's sort of like saying that an illegal search is okay since nothing was found, no one was hurt, and no property was damaged.

It's always bad when someone in power searches something private for any reason...

[ Parent ]

the employee is a max donator to Obama (none / 0) (#33)
by Wile ECoyote on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:01:08 PM EST

Yes, Helen Jones-Kelley (two e's in Kelley) just happens to be a maximum $2300 contributor to Barack Obama.

Here is the Open secrets web site check yourself.

So, TChris, you have no problem with gov't employees using gov't computers to do these kinds of checks on people who make the news?

[ Parent ]

Some should've (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:32:57 PM EST

told Joe that when you decide to play with pigs (the regular kind and the Rovian kind), you're risking getting dirty.

What's this, the purple bandaid folks upset about finding out that American politics is a full contact sport?

[ Parent ]

Haven't lost your zing buddy... (5.00 / 2) (#44)
by kdog on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:11:39 PM EST

At the risk of offending our pc friends...I think we should call him Joe the Ho...McCain is pimpin' him, and I think he likes it.

[ Parent ]

You wouldn't like (none / 0) (#67)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:54:56 PM EST

your 30 minutes of fame???

Come on kdog...you know you would....

[ Parent ]

: Not me friend... (none / 0) (#100)
by kdog on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 08:00:30 AM EST

I'll take riches if they should come, but hold the fame.
Wouldn't go on Good Morning America for a lifetimes worth of buy-ins to the WSOP.

[ Parent ]

hehehe (none / 0) (#65)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:52:06 PM EST

I know. Rove took time out from creating hurricanes and forest fires to place Joe in that exact house and then force Obama to give a truthful answer to Joe's question??

ROFLMAO

jondee you are a hoot!

[ Parent ]

: Actually Rove (none / 0) (#102)
by jondee on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 01:37:45 PM EST

had been admitted to emergency in an effort to locate Jack Abramoff's lost hamster, so he probobly wasnt involved in any way.
Just call me Hoot Gibson.

[ Parent ]

It is nice to see someone (none / 0) (#71)
by Wile ECoyote on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 07:02:31 PM EST

who has no problem with it.

[ Parent ]

I do. (none / 0) (#36)
by TChris on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:13:46 PM EST

I do have a problem with it, but absent evidence that this has anything to do with the Obama campaign, it doesn't strike me as something worth blogging about. There are probably a million dumb things that government employees do every day that also aren't worth blogging about.

[ Parent ]

Does that mean (none / 0) (#68)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:56:05 PM EST

that all the posts that had Rove indicted shouldn't have been posts??

[ Parent ]

Treason (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by TChris on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 07:47:57 PM EST

is a bit different than peeking at a child support record.

[ Parent ]

The Plame affair (2.00 / 0) (#87)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:54:18 PM EST

was not about treason, and you well know that.

And glad to know you think peeking is okay.

Please don't complain about FISA in the future.

[ Parent ]

: since when is giving aid and comfort (none / 0) (#94)
by cpinva on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:17:45 PM EST

to the enemy not treason?

The Plame affair was not about treason, and you well know that.
exposing a covert cia agent to the public certainly qualifies as a treasonous act, and you well know that. well, maybe you don't.
in other times, people were shot for less.
sure, looking up someone's private gov't records, with no legitimate business purpose, is both illegal and, well, gauche. however, there is absolutely no evidence to show it had any direct or indirect connection with the obama campaign. that the party in question donated to the obama campaign is, of course, completely irrelevant.
of course, you and your brethren know that already, but you figure if you throw it out there often enough, some poor rube will believe it.
good to have you back jim, i've actually missed your limited abilities to engage in thoughtful, fact-based discourse! :)

[ Parent ]

Good point (none / 0) (#69)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:56:49 PM EST

Just your average person who donates $2300...

[ Parent ]

If the last Dem admin.... (none / 0) (#26)
by kdog on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:33:26 PM EST

is any indication, things ain't lookin' good on the privacy front.

D and R alike love using the full power of the fed to dig up dirt on their critics when they're in power.

[ Parent ]

No, No, No! (none / 0) (#31)
by bocajeff on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 03:57:22 PM EST

That ruins the whole "Rethugs are evil and Dems are good" mantra

Take Joe the plumber for instance. Just an average working guy. Obama goes over to him, Joe asks him a question and Obama gives an answer. Dems jump all over Joe for whatever reason and Repubs adopt him because of the answer that Obama gave to a real question.

Joe is being used by everyone, but he is a symbol of the average American who works for a living.

Now, TalkLeft goes about mocking his foreign policy credentials and the Repubs for 'using' him.

The question for TalkLeft is why is this even worth posting about if for no other reason than making fun of Joe the Plumber?

[ Parent ]

As far as I can tell ... (5.00 / 3) (#34)
by TChris on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:02:27 PM EST

Dems completely ignored Joe until McCain repeatedly brought him up in the debate, making him the poster boy for the Average Real American. Nobody "jumped all over Joe" until McCain started using him as a campaign spokesman ... a role that Joe has gladly accepted despite his ignorance of the issues.

[ Parent ]

To be fair bocaj... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
by kdog on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:05:53 PM EST

As TChris righly pointed out, McCain made Joe the Plumber the centerpiece of his campaign.

I'd have sympathy for Joe if I believed for a second that he was simply an average guy with a question...but funny that he has no tough questions for McCain, only Obama. Then he's on Good Morning America, Fox News, etc...maybe even running for office. Average Joe my arse...

Lie down with dogs, come up with fleas...Play with fire, get burned..pick your cliche.

[ Parent ]

No, Obama made him the centerpiece (none / 0) (#63)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:48:42 PM EST

with his share the wealth answer..

When FNC jumped on it the Leftie blogs all attacked him as did the MSM minions who have tingles up their legs for Obama...

I think he is who he says he is. If he wasn't the Left would have it out.

[ Parent ]

: And because he was attacked on all the (none / 0) (#78)
by Dark Avenger on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:07:35 PM EST

leftie blogs, McCain was forced to bring him up first in the debate.
Got it.

[ Parent ]

Average working American (none / 0) (#41)
by jondee on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:00:31 PM EST

Sure, what average working American hasnt been tempted to hitch his wagon to the Rove-train and go on tour? And how dare TL make fun of average working Americans, hockey moms, moose hunters, Nam-era POWs etc etc?

[ Parent ]

Huh (none / 0) (#77)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:06:20 PM EST

his foreign policy credentials

What foreign policy credentials?

Joe is being used by the GOP, period. The fact that McCain couldn't shut up about him and a sitting GOP member of the House takes Joe on a campaign swing positively identifies the user.

Probably posted because it represents further evidence that the Republican party is populated top to bottom by crackpots.

[ Parent ]

Ohio (none / 0) (#37)
by Jlvngstn on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 04:22:49 PM EST

Has been a red state up until this year, so my guess is they were following up on the "bush doctrine" like with that CIA woman, what was her name, Plame?????

By the way, which treasonous democRAT leaked her name? Was it Rove or Cheney?

[ Parent ]

actually (none / 0) (#45)
by bocajeff on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 05:18:19 PM EST

It wasn't Rove or Cheney but Richard Armitage. Get your leakers straight!

Either you're against corruption or your not.

[ Parent ]

I think what the worker did was (none / 0) (#51)
by Jlvngstn on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:33:23 PM EST

a serious breach of the man's privacy, absolutely no question about it. And both sides pull this crap, which is really disgusting.

[ Parent ]

And the Repub's name is?? (none / 0) (#66)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:52:54 PM EST

armitage (none / 0) (#83)
by Jlvngstn on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:36:34 PM EST

: and armitage went to his (1.00 / 0) (#88)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:56:11 PM EST

boss and said what he had done... And he didn't know, or else he would have been prosecuted..

[ Parent ]

Actually bocajeff (none / 0) (#82)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:20:19 PM EST

jlvnstn didn't make a declaration, but rather asked a question.

[ Parent ]

No, I think Obama mentioned Joe at least (none / 0) (#62)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:45:30 PM EST

twice before McCain got there.

You would be mistaken (none / 0) (#73)
by Steve M on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 07:46:26 PM EST

Just check the transcript. McCain brought him up about 5 minutes in.

[ Parent ]

I think Obama mentioned him BEFORE the debate (none / 0) (#89)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:57:20 PM EST

: Perhaps like microsoft tech support (none / 0) (#93)
by Dark Avenger on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:14:12 PM EST

you are technically correct.
However, the fact is that McCain brought him up first at the debate, talked about him, and was many Americans' first introduction to the gentleman from Toledo.(If they didn't watch Fox News, that is, who we are supppose to believe ran it or was informed about Joe the Plumber from some "Leftists").
TTFN

[ Parent ]

If you examine the transcript (none / 0) (#76)
by Dark Avenger on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:04:29 PM EST

of the debate, as I have(because Professor Avenger taught me not to take anything for granted), you will find that McCain mentioned him first, as implied in this account from the Wikipedia:

In the debate, McCain repeatedly brought up "Joe the Plumber" and Obama and McCain then made statements aimed directly at Wurzelbacher. These events led to subsequent media attention directed at Wurzelbacher.[44][45][46] He reportedly had been registered to vote in 1992 under the name "Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher", and voted in his first primary on March 4 of this year, registering as a Republican.[47] After the debate, Wurzelbacher did not declare his vote for either candidate, although he expressed concern that Obama's plans were "one step closer to socialism."[47] Obama's running mate Joe Biden argued that the vast majority of small businesses are smaller than Wurzelbacher's.[48]
In an interview the day after the debate,[49] Wurzelbacher said Obama's tax plan wouldn't affect him right now, because he doesn't make $250,000. He also indicated to reporters that he was a conservative, a fan of the military and McCain. He said meeting McCain would be an honor but said he hadn't been contacted by the Republican campaign.[50]

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After all is said and done (none / 0) (#70)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 06:59:06 PM EST

A good plumber is more important that any politician.

The former makes sure we can flush away what the latter produces!

So in other words (5.00 / 1) (#92)
by lilburro on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:46 PM EST

Joe the Plumber can go flush himself?

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I would never (none / 0) (#80)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:11:46 PM EST

contract Joe as a plumber.

He's not licensed.

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Then be careful where you live (2.00 / 0) (#90)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:58:54 PM EST

because many places do not require a license...

BTW - Joe works under a licensed plumber...

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: Not relevent (none / 0) (#95)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 09:48:12 PM EST

I understand that Joe's not supposed to work without a license in his area. If he assists a licensed plumber but never does a job solo he might clear the requirements.
It appears, given the circumstances, that Joe's talk about running his own business was just talk.
My area requires that a plumber be licensed.

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This Doonesbury says it all (none / 0) (#72)
by DFLer on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 07:13:29 PM EST

C&W Deal (none / 0) (#79)
by MTSINAIMAMA on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:09:12 PM EST

Now Joe is wrangling to get himself a country and western singing deal. What's next, TOP CHEF?

: Or a gig (none / 0) (#81)
by cal1942 on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 08:16:40 PM EST

in the last days in Bush's NSC.

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Joe the Fraud (none / 0) (#99)
by hilts on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 03:55:49 AM EST

Joe the Plumber is a huckster and a con artist.
The attention lavished on this egomaniac is insane.