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Posted on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:40:21 PM EST
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    Sorry about... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 03:49:43 PM EST
    ...that beatdown of your Badgers today, TChris.  But, the Heartland trophy is back where it belongs.

    /Go Hawks

    And Michigan is beating (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:38:34 PM EST
    Penn State at halftime.  Stay tuned.

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    Oops. Not half time yet. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:41:49 PM EST
    Counting chickens.

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    Turnaround! (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by lilburro on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:03:59 PM EST
    Go Penn State!

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    Pathetic, ain't it? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:12:59 PM EST


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    Did you forget to knock... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:44:25 PM EST
    ...on wood when you wrote that?  :)

    Rich had better hope they beat OSU or that hot water he's in is going to get a boilin'.

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    Oh, but on NPR some (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:49:45 PM EST
    lady sd. give him a chance, whole new system, need to recruit players to implement it, and why are Michigan fans so demanding?

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    She got a point. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:35:58 PM EST
    But the high expectations of the team doesn't really leave room for losing.  They're victims of their past success in a lot of ways.

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    Hey, it could have been much, much (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 01:00:21 AM EST
    worse.  Look at poor ole USC's opponent.

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    I take it that (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by cal1942 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 08:07:58 PM EST
    Ferentz is off the hot set now.

    Iowa's coming on strong and I've believed for years that he's one of the best coaches in the Big 10.

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    For this week anyway. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 10:31:36 PM EST
    His son didn't do him any favors by getting arrested for underage drinking and being suspended from the team.  

    But today as a good enough win it should keep people off his back for awhile.

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    Can we have the Sunday open thread (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ThatOneVoter on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 04:31:34 PM EST
    early? I want to talk about the Sunday talk shows.

    58-16 (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:40:04 PM EST
    is the current score for endorsements from newspapers.  I wonder how much the print press affects voters these days?

    64-18 (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:43:35 PM EST
    BARACK OBAMA
    64 newspapers total
    Well over 8 million circulation (we are still counting)

    ARKANSAS
    Arkansas Times (K): 34,000

    CALIFORNIA
    The Argus (Fremont) (K): 26,749
    Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek) (K): 183,086
    Daily Review (Hayward) (K): 30,704
    The Fresno Bee (K): 150,334
    La Opinion (Los Angeles) (K): 114,892
    Los Angeles Times (N/A): 773,884
    The Modesto Bee (K): 78,001
    The Monterey County Herald (K): 28,933
    Oakland Tribune (K): 96,535
    The (Stockton) Record (B): 57,486
    The Sacramento Bee (K): 288,755
    San Bernardino Sun (B): 54,315
    San Francisco Chronicle (K): 370,345
    San Jose Mercury News (K): 234,772
    San Mateo County Times (K): 25,982
    Santa Cruz Sentinel (K): 23,290
    Tri-Valley Herald (B): 29,759

    COLORADO
    Cortez Journal (K): 6,700
    The Denver Post (B)
    The Durango Herald (K): 8,870
    Gunnison Country Times (N/A): 4,000
    Ouray County Plaindealer (K): 3,000

    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
    The Washington Post (K): 673,180

    FLORIDA
    Miami Herald (K):

    GEORGIA
    Atlanta Journal-Constitution (K)

    HAWAII
    Honolulu Star-Bulletin (K): 64,305

    ILLINOIS
    Chicago Tribune (B): 541,663
    Chicago Sun-Times (K):
    Southwest News-Herald (K)

    IOWA
    The Storm Lake Times (K): 3,200

    MAINE
    Bangor Daily News (K)
    Brunswick Times-Record (K)

    MASSACHUSETTS
    The Boston Globe (K): 350,605
    The Standard-Times (New Bedford) (K): 30,306

    MICHIGAN
    The Muskegon Chronicle (K): 41,114

    MISSOURI
    Kansas City Star
    St. Louis Post-Dispatch (K): 255,057

    NEW MEXICO
    Las Cruces Sun-News (B)
    Santa Fe New Mexican (K): 25,249

    NEW YORK
    el Dario La Prensa (): 53,856

    NORTH CAROLINA
    Asheville Citizen-Times (K): 50,160

    OHIO
    The (Toledo) Blade (K): 119,901
    Dayton Daily News (K): 116,690
    The (Canton) Repository (B): 65,789
    Springfield News-Sun (K): 24,684

    OREGON
    Mail Tribune (Medford) (K): 30,349
    The Oregonian of Portland (K)

    PENNSYLVANIA
    The Express-Times (Easton) (B): 44,561
    Philadelphia Inquirer (K):
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (K): 214,374

    TENNESSEE
    Chattanooga Times (K): 71,716
    The Commercial Appeal (Memphis) (K): 146,961
    The (Nashville) Tennessean (K): 161,131

    TEXAS
    The Lufkin Daily News (K): 12,225

    UTAH
    The Salt Lake Tribune (B):

    VIRGINIA
    Falls Church News-Press (K): 30,500

    WASHINGTON
    The Columbian (B): 44,623
    Seattle Post-Intelligencer (K): 129,563
    The Seattle Times (K): 220,883

    WEST VIRGINIA
    The Charleston Gazette (K): 48,061

    WISCONSIN
    The Capital Times (Madison) (K): 16,335
    Wisconsin State Journal (Madison) (B): 87,930

    JOHN McCAIN
    18 newspapers total
    About 1.7 million daily circulation

    CALIFORNIA
    Napa Valley Register: 16,283
    The San Francisco Examiner (B): 80,000

    COLORADO
    Mountain Valley News (Cedaredge): 2,000
    The Daily Sentinel (Grand Junction) (B): 31,349
    The Pueblo Chieftain (B): 49,169

    DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
    The Washington DC Examiner (N/A): 100,073

    FLORIDA
    Tampa Tribune

    MARYLAND
    The Baltimore Examiner (N/A): 50,000

    MASSACHUSETTS
    Boston Herald (B): 182,350
    The (Lowell) Sun (B): 44,439

    NEW HAMPSHIRE
    Foster's Daily Democrat (B): 22,547
    Union Leader (Manchester) (B): 51,782

    NEW YORK
    New York Post (B): 702,488

    OHIO
    The (Findlay) Courier (B): 22,319

    TEXAS
    Amarillo Globe-News (B): 44,764
    Dallas Morning News (B):

    WASHINGTON
    (Spokane) Spokesman-Review (B): 89,779

    WEST VIRGINIA
    Wheeling News-Register (B): 12,821


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    Boston Herald (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jlvngstn on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 05:52:13 PM EST
    is owned by a former Newscorp exec who purchased it when Fox bought a news channel in the market so although it is not consistent with the vote in Mass it makes sense.

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    Hasn't (none / 0) (#18)
    by cal1942 on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 08:13:01 PM EST
    The Boston Herald always been a right-wing paper?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#19)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 08:54:54 PM EST


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    I think it depends (none / 0) (#9)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:09:22 PM EST
    one on their reasons for endorsement and two, how much their readers really read the paper (and have a more than favorable opinion of it's opinion) and three, if they aren't firmly in one camp or the other  {grin}

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    Looks like Homer Simpson was right (none / 0) (#11)
    by Lora on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:18:03 PM EST
    From the Brad Blog:

    Here we go again. Completely unverifiable touch-screen voting machines, in this case, made by ES&S, flipping votes from one candidate to another. Yet again.

    ---John Gideon on early voting in Jackson County, West Virginia

    I wonder what would have happened if they had (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 06:33:02 PM EST
    touched the Republican first? When you touch it, does it auto register and you can't change it? If the machine isn't working, why aren't they shutting  it down and using a provisional ballot or another machine? I'd be raising a stink and demanding a paper ballot, myself.

    With early voting, if they are having problems, they should start printing more provisional ballots. Hopefully, people won't just complain for the next couple weeks.

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    No problem (none / 0) (#15)
    by Lora on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 08:02:28 PM EST
    Oh, there's no problem, according to the (Republican) election officials.  It's all the voters' fault.  You see, they're not doing it right.  And stories like these shouldn't be published because they might scare people away from the polls.

    (And never mind that a team of researchers at UCSB demonstrated how vote-flips similar to these can still count for the OTHER candidate, even when the flipped vote was supposedly remedied.)

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    Don't they have to have paper ballots (none / 0) (#17)
    by nycstray on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 08:12:10 PM EST
    available? GOTV efforts should include telling people to vote by paper ballot. Report those in charge to higher authorities and/or the media if they keep saying their no problem. It's common knowledge there IS a problem or 20. If they are going to the media, is the media going to the suspect machines?

    Nobody should give a f*** what either party says if they are claiming there is no problem. investigations by independent sources should be the voice, not anyone that has a stake in the outcome.

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    nycstray (none / 0) (#27)
    by Lora on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 07:33:59 AM EST
    I couldn't agree with you more.  It's starting to happen more and more.  People are standing up and demanding that funny voting be investigated.

    Check out this wonderful video of voters in Pima, Arizona, who are not going to be assuaged by officials in charge saying that a funny election is not worth investigating, or that their hands are tied.

    Caveat: the post is a plea to help the campaign of a Republican county attorney.  If you scroll down to the video, you will see (IMO) a remarkable example of people not taking a BS "no" for an answer.

    You will also see how difficult it is to "recount" paper ballots, even when the paper back-up exists.

    The election system is broken, and it is up to us to fix it.

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    I just want to say that Eric Berry is the best (none / 0) (#20)
    by Teresa on Sat Oct 18, 2008 at 09:48:01 PM EST
    player in college football. He has the SEC record for interception return yards and he is not halfway through his sophomore year.

    If Charles Woodson (sorry oculus) can win a Heisman, they should already have Berry's name on this year's trophy.

    Woodson is grace and speed (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 01:02:09 AM EST
    personified.  No comment on Berry.

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    Oh oculus, you disappointment me. (none / 0) (#25)
    by Teresa on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 01:28:37 AM EST
    You know he and ESPN stole Peyton's Heisman. :)

    About Berry, he's a great kid and the best TN player since Peyton, I think. He was a freshman All American and will be a first team AA on a crappy TN team this year.

    We play arch rival and #2 Alabama next week so I have to get my feel good moments when I can. I'm going to the game next week. That's loyalty when you consider how far I will have to walk to get to the stadium. The Bama fans are trying to buy all the tickets from the disgruntled UT fans and embarrass us by having so much crimson in the stands. I have to do my duty, wear orange, and bear it.

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    That's loyalty. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 01:30:59 AM EST


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    BTW, didn't one of those (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 03:51:27 PM EST
    Manning bros. diss the San Diego Chargers?  Eli?  

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