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Posted on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:12:26 AM EST
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I am against the clock on a brief so I won't be posting today. Hopefully, J and TChris will be along soon. In the meantime, here is an Open Thread.

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    Economic impact of the DNC... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:25:19 AM EST
    ...came in about $100 million higher than expected.  The Rocky Mountain News reports:

    The Democratic National Convention brought an estimated $266 million in economic benefit to the Denver area, far outstripping the city's initial prediction for the event's potential impact, according to a report released Thursday by Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper.

    The convention ultimately attracted about 50,000 visitors, a number that also exceeded earlier forecasts partly because of Sen. Barack Obama's decision to move his acceptance speech to a bigger venue.

    http://tinyurl.com/56fzqf

    Seems like only yesterday that a lot of people around here were concern trolling real hard about moving the final day to Invesco.  

    Well (none / 0) (#5)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:27:36 AM EST
    That's what happens when you bring Democrats to town.  We tax, and we spend.  Spend spend spend!

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    All that spending... (none / 0) (#31)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:29:39 AM EST
    ...just might keep my city taxes from going up in the near future.  That means I'll have a little more to spend.

    It also makes me happy that our Mayor and everyone involved with the convention did an outstanding job of pulling it off without too much inconvenience to us locals who stayed in town.  And portrayed Denver (and Colorado) in a positive light.  A job well done by all involved.

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    Not gung-ho about a tax increase? (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:08:34 PM EST
    You evil Republican you:)

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    More than a few people would probably... (none / 0) (#55)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:41:54 PM EST
    ...agree with the evil part!

    But, if we wouldn't have ended up in the red because of the convention, I wouldn't have been at all happy about having to pay for it.  And the real Repubs would have been out to lynch the Mayor--who is really a decent guy.  

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    I don't buy that Mile.... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 01:23:57 PM EST
    you're a good egg thru and thru in my book.

    Glad the convention was a success for you guys...sure ran it better than tyrannical NYC in '04, with Gitmo on the Hudson and all...ugly.

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    The Atlantic confirms... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:51:09 AM EST
    ...that the NRSC is indeed giving up on the Colorado Senatorial race...

    Republican sources in Colorado and Washington say that the National Republican Senatorial Committee plans to pull out of the state by next week, an acknowledgment that its independent expenditure resources would be better spent on defense elsewhere. Earlier this week, the NRSC withdrew its advertising from the Louisiana Senate race.

    The NRSC is still helping Roger Wicker in Mississippi and incumbents Norm Coleman in Minnesota, John Sununu in New Hampshire.

    AN NRSC spokesperson said that advertising decisions are made on a week-to-week basis and declined to comment further...

    http://tinyurl.com/5tpg46

    Too bad we still get subjected to a whole day of the Palin Hate Tour on Monday.

    Just here to say... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by addy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:13:14 AM EST
    Nice game last night Red Sox! Holy crap!

    Yeah.... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:47:49 AM EST
    Can't count out the Sox...amazing comebacks like that have a tendency to snowball...see Yanks vs. Sox 2004.

    Hopin' the Rays can hold 'em off.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#40)
    by CST on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:57:52 AM EST
    Except the last part.  Although I imagine they will, I just don't have a good feeling about this one.

    It's weird though, in the last few years, the Red Sox have gone from the team you expect to lose at the last minute, to the team who can pull off big upsets at the last minute.  I spent most of my life expecting the worst.  It's kinda nice hoping for the best.

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    It is a reversal of fortunes... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:07:16 PM EST
    the team famous for choking has become the team famous for clutch in 4 short years.

    I hope this isn't another sign that the apocolypse is in fact coming in 2012...too many clues abound for my taste, I'm gonna keep cramming in the fun just in case:)

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    does that mean (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by addy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:14:57 PM EST
    the Mariners will win a few games next year? Apocalypse indeed!
    /keeping stockpiles of wine at the ready

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    You mean (none / 0) (#48)
    by CST on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:16:02 PM EST
    December 21st 2012?  Isn't that the end of the Mayan calender?

    That's actually pretty soon, gotta remember to live it up in the meantime.  I wonder what form the apocolypse will take...  environmental disaster, nuclear war, or something I haven't even thought of.

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    Yep.... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:21:35 PM EST
    the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar.

    I'm confident even if the world were to end one day for human beings, be it nuclear war, disease, or enviromental disaster....life would still thrive on this blue/green orb.  Or if not this orb, another far far away.

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    Have you seen the program (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by addy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:24:37 PM EST
    on the National Geographic channel I think. It takes a look at what would happen to the world over time if man just one day disappeared. It shows at 10 years, 100 years etc...it's very very comforting.

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    I think I caught parts of that.... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:59:01 PM EST
    yeah, nature taking back the cities and even incorporating the permanent and semi-permamnent man made stuff into the landscape.

    Very comforting indeed, good call.

    I always liked the George Carlin riff on enviromentalists and the "save the planet" mantra....where he goes (paraphrasing) "say what you mean, save the people, the planet don't need saving...one day planet earth will shake off the human race like the bad case of fleas we are."

    He also goes on about the only reason the earth let us evolve in the first place was because mother nature couldn't make plastic without us...great stuff.

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    "like the bad case of fleas we are.." (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by addy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 01:12:21 PM EST
    how appropriate. My dogs will miss bacon, however, and be forced to learn to make it themselves.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#59)
    by CST on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 01:12:48 PM EST
    Although I am thinking that if the Mayans predicted it, it's probably some weird planetary alignment issue.  Which, in theory, could cause a huge gravitational shift that throws the Earth out of it's orbit - and cause it to become a Mars or a Venus or something.  That would mean no life as we know it - maybe not even the bacterial kind.  Although you are right, I'm sure somewhere else in this universe Carbon is doing it's thing with Hydrogen and Oxygen to form life.

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    According to Jim (none / 0) (#51)
    by addy on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:20:08 PM EST
    will be renewed, indefinitely.

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    well (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by connecticut yankee on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:39:05 AM EST
    Hotline Diego is nice today, Obama up by 10. IIRC thats a 2 point bump.

    Hillary - so close and yet... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:18:41 PM EST
    it's a professional development day at school.  That means with Hillary only 20 minutes away, I've got two unpredictable young'uns on my hands.  P!sser.

    I could pack us up and go.  Parking g_d-knows-where, navigating unfamiliar territory, waiting to get in, waiting for the event, and the whole time hoping one or both don't decide to vanish into the crowds.  Doing something like that requires one-on-one defense and daddy is busy.

    It's nice to know she came out to see us though. :-)

    really digging campbell brown these days (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 01:57:33 PM EST
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/16/campbell.brown.negative.ads/index.html

    Yes. Got an appeal from Hunger Task Force (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 02:01:41 PM EST
    here in my city, a desperate appeal for help.  Food drive bins popped up across campus yesterday.

    There's something like our Hunger Task Force in every city and town.  No doubt, they all need help.  Infant formula is especially appreciated, we were told.  (Make sure it wasn't made in China.:-)

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    Tales from the housing crash (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 02:44:49 PM EST
    We had some discussions about the housing market crash last week.  Housing Bubble Blog has a good roundup of FL housing news today.

    I think it explains McCains interest in at least talking about HOLC.

    Bad news polling day (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:14:37 AM EST
    My least favorite result so far from SUSA.

    No change in Florida:

    McCain 49
    Obama 47

    R2K (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:21:21 AM EST
    sez otherwise.

    But SUSA is my preferred pollster.

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    Which swing state? (none / 0) (#6)
    by TheRealFrank on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:38:53 AM EST
    Ok, so, if we're assuming that the Kerry+Gore states and IA are safe, Obama needs one of these:

    NV (would produce a tie, but Congress looks good)
    CO
    MO
    IN
    OH
    FL
    VA
    NC

    I don't think it'll be OH. That state seems to have turned red. It was the last one to reluctantly go into the "lean Obama" column after Obama surged. Same can be said for MO

    FL has had some decent polls for Obama, but this one shows it's close.

    CO had good initial movement, but stagnated a little earlier than other states.

    NC, IN I think will come home to being red.

    That leaves VA as the best option. Since the VA results come in earlier in the night, it'll be easy to see the results. If Obama wins VA, it's a done deal. If he loses VA narrowly, it's going to be tense. If he loses VA by more than a few points, start drinking heavily.


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    Indeed (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:41:50 AM EST
    As this race tightens, the election takes place in Colorado and Virginia.

    And I will be sweating bullets if we have to stay up for Colorado to be counted, because that means we lost Florida and Virginia.

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    Then you'll be sweating bullets (none / 0) (#24)
    by rdandrea on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:06:46 AM EST
    This, from the Grand Junction Daily Sentinel, Sept 22:
    MONTROSE -- Election Day could see the largest turnout in state history, Colorado Secretary of State Mike Coffman said in Montrose on Monday, but unofficial returns won't be ready until the following day, Nov. 5, because the ballot is so long.

    Coffman is touring the state meeting with county clerks, asking them to release absentee and mail-in ballot results as early as possible on Election Day. As a swing state, Colorado will be "at the epicenter" of the presidential election, he said.



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    Oh, I expect Obama to win Virginia (none / 0) (#25)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:07:47 AM EST


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    At Least Ohio Isn't Further Darkened (none / 0) (#30)
    by daring grace on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:22:44 AM EST
    by that GOP lawsuit.

    SCOTUS overruled the lower court's decision today.

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    I humbly disagree (none / 0) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:52:26 AM EST
    No change? Regardless of the SUSA headline, that's a three point gain for Obama in Florida since the last SUSA poll and an 8 point gain in Florida from SUSA polling over the last month.

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    Read the tracking graph (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:55:00 AM EST
    again.

    As between this poll and the last poll, Obama is steady at 47%. McCain is up 1 to 49%.

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    My apologies (none / 0) (#19)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:01:14 AM EST
    I misread. That would give McCain the lead in two of the last fifteen polls in Florida. Perhaps that explains his flight to South Florida today to cater to the pro Cuban embargo crowd. You can always serve up some red meat with a little death to Castro talk in Miami.

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    SUSA's a good pollster (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:03:06 AM EST
    And the very best thing about them is that they don't give a $h*t about what any other pollster says.

    Florida is to Democrats as New Jersey is to Republicans.

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    It's getting better (none / 0) (#54)
    by magster on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:35:15 PM EST
    O + 4 in FL per R2k.
    Obama + 1 in Gallup.
    O + 1.7 in IBD/Tipp
    O + 6 in MO per Rasmussen.

    I think too if it wasn't for that GOP hack-pollster (R2k), there'd be a noticeable pro Obama debate bump.  Obama is up slightly today averaging all the trackers.


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    Nycstray.... (none / 0) (#3)
    by vml68 on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:24:37 AM EST
    I have been meaning to join a CSA but haven't done so yet. I am trying to gather information and am still not entirely sure how the process works. I will be moving to JC in a couple of weeks and I know you are in Brooklyn so don't know if the one you are a part of will work for me. Do you have any recommendations for me or are all CSA pretty much the same.

    Not all CSAs are the same. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:54:58 AM EST
    It's best to figure out what you want (produce, meat, eggs, dairy), how much you can handle and how often you want it.   Then find a CSA that most closely matches your needs.  Most CSAs are flexible, if you don't want something, they'll leave it out of your share.

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    Howdy! (none / 0) (#66)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 04:34:14 PM EST
    My CSA is just for Brooklyn and the farm town, but you can check localharvest.org to search by zipcode. You can also find farmers markets there and see if any of those farmers are doing CSAs. You may need to book by late winter early spring. Ours sold out early this year, including a late new location add on. Another place to check would be the jersey farmers at the Union Square green market. Also, community gardens (that's where our pick up is) or the park service (another location in my 'hood). this link is just NY, but it may give you some ideas, like seeing if there's a 100 mile diet group etc: www.farmandfood.org

    Our CSA is one where you get to select your own items and they just tell you how much of each one. Some pre-pack a share for you. I like to select my own because I generally have an idea off what I'm going to do, so some things are picked on ripeness/storage life. I might pick all slightly under ripe tomatoes if I already have ripe ones. If I'm using all my apples at once, I pick them different than if I plan on eating over a week or so. I bought into 3 shares this year. Poultry, orchard (the best freakin' fruit and berries!!) and my reg produce, melon, herbs. CSA's vary and some have core groups that handle all the details for the farm on the distribution end. It's good to find out who members are and how they like the quality etc. When I was looking in CA for one, I googled and found sites with people discussing some of the CSAs there. Mostly on cooking and green sites :)

    It's fun having a CSA if you like to cook and it's great for trying new things. I've gotten blue fleshed potatoes and red fleshed apples this year! And I rarely go to the grocery store anymore. It actually saves me a fair amount of money.

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    Thanks Fabian and Nycstray. (none / 0) (#67)
    by vml68 on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:54:20 PM EST
    Your suggestions were really helpful. I appreciate it.

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    All latest polls (none / 0) (#8)
    by atlmom on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:46:15 AM EST
    I usually check this site to see all the latest poll results in one place. Does anyone have all of the latest results to see if there is any movement after debate 3?

    Nervous in Atlanta....

    Moderate shift to McCain (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:48:54 AM EST
    but Obama still in the lead.

    Ras seems to have the best overall picture of the race: Obama's at about 50%, and McCain's just over 45%.

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    NC exit polls (none / 0) (#35)
    by atlmom on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:47:23 AM EST
    Have there been any early voting exit polls in NC?  GA keeps good early voting demographic data, but I haven't been able to find any exit polls or demographic data from NC early voting.

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    I don't know of any (none / 0) (#37)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:53:47 AM EST
    I would be extremely surprised to find any at this point...it seems like it would be tricky to pull off that type of polling.  Do they do early voting polling by phone?  Early voting in Greensboro

    Lots of early voting there.... I expect to be one of the few at my polling place in NC today though.

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    Exit polling (none / 0) (#43)
    by atlmom on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:00:39 PM EST
    During primary early voting in NC they did exit polls.

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    Palin said she likes to visit.... (none / 0) (#10)
    by magster on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:49:21 AM EST
    the "pro-American" parts of the country.

    How's calling just about every pro-Dem area (like almost every city in the USA) of the country not worse than bittergate?

    Where does that... (none / 0) (#17)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:58:05 AM EST
    ...leave Todd?  From what I read, it doesn't seem like he is very "pro-American".

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    just about every pro-Dem area (none / 0) (#18)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:59:47 AM EST
    Your implication to the contrary, just about every pro-Dem area is not into "God damn America."  

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    What? (none / 0) (#26)
    by magster on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:10:57 AM EST
    I did not imply anything like that, she did.

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    She said (none / 0) (#56)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:44:12 PM EST
    She said she liked to visit the pro-American parts of the country.

    How's calling just about every pro-Dem area (like almost every city in the USA) of the country not worse than bittergate?

    You said that excluded the pro-Dem parts.  For shame.

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    Oh no.. it looks like Anand is (none / 0) (#11)
    by ThatOneVoter on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:50:26 AM EST
    losing to Kramnik today :(

    Hmmm.. maybe not. Maybe a crushing (none / 0) (#32)
    by ThatOneVoter on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:36:49 AM EST
    win for Anand?

    http://live.chessdom.com/kramnik-anand-2008-g3.html


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    oops, used quote instead of link. (none / 0) (#33)
    by ThatOneVoter on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:37:27 AM EST
    Oh well, doesn't seem like there are any other chess fans here.

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    I used to follow chess (none / 0) (#39)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:57:49 AM EST
    but it was so long ago that I remember Anand as a wunderkind.  And here I find that he's actually older than me.  Go figure.

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    Anand won in 40 moves with black. (none / 0) (#50)
    by ThatOneVoter on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:19:31 PM EST
    It was a wipeout.

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    Canada elections? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Manuel on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:53:00 AM EST
    Any comments?  It is striking that the Canadian Conservatives could pass for Democrats in the US.  It is also interesting that the left vote was split four ways in Canada.  Maybe we don't want more parties.

    Breaking: USSC sides with Ohio SOS (none / 0) (#16)
    by magster on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 10:56:31 AM EST
    overturning the appeals court decision.

    Per MSNBC, no link.

    Didn't rule on merits; GOP party no standing... (none / 0) (#20)
    by magster on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:02:30 AM EST
    ...to sue.

    Works for me.

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    CNN still doesn't have the story (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:03:34 AM EST


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    link (none / 0) (#23)
    by magster on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:05:27 AM EST
    per TPM

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    I will reproduce (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Steve M on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:16:23 AM EST
    the text of the decision:

    PER CURIAM.
    On October 9, 2008, the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio entered a temporary restraining order (TRO) directing Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio Secretary of State, to update Ohio's Statewide Voter Registration Database (SWVRD) to comply with Section 303 of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA), 116 Stat. 1708, 42 U. S. C. §15483(a)(5)(B)(i).* The United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit denied the Secretary's motion to vacate the TRO. The Secretary has filed an application to stay the TRO with JUSTICE STEVENS as Circuit Justice for the Sixth Circuit, and he has referred the matter to the Court. The Secretary argues both that the District Court had no jurisdiction to enter the TRO and that its ruling on the merits was erroneous. We express no opinion on the question whether HAVA is being properly implemented. Respondents, however, are not sufficiently likely to prevail on the question whether Congress has authorized the District Court to enforce Section 303 in an action brought by a private litigant to justify the issuance of a TRO. See Gonzaga Univ. v. Doe, 536 U. S. 273, 283 (2002); Alexander v. Sandoval, 532 U. S. 275, 286 (2001). We therefore grant the application for a stay and vacate the TRO.

    It is so ordered.



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    Here's the decision (none / 0) (#28)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:14:25 AM EST
    I don't quite see that it's re standing, but the lawyers here can parse it.

    Brunner is on record saying she would comply with the lower court order.  I gather she can flipflop on that now.  Good, I want the election to be over fast, without weeks of litigation again.  The country has major problems that need to be addressed. :-)


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    Brunner is doing well. (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by Fabian on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:59:28 AM EST
    I don't envy her job.  She's got a lot of cleaning up and reorganizing to do and she seems to choose her battles judiciously.  It's easy to get bogged down in petty stuff and partisan politics, but rarely productive to do so.  (Unless you are Ken Blackwell and trying to deliver Ohio for the GOP...)

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    it is standing (none / 0) (#42)
    by txpublicdefender on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:00:11 PM EST
    The court found, in an unsigned opinion with no dissent, that the Repubs were not sufficiently likely to prevail on the merits (which is required to grant a temporary restraining order) on the issue of whether the law gives private litigants the right to sue to enforce the law.  So, they didn't exactly rule that they had no standing, but said that they couldn't meet the TRO burden of likelihood of success on the issue of standing.

    Also, Brunner is on record saying only that she would comply with the lower court order unless she got relief from higher courts, so I don't think she would be flip-flopping.

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    But it isn't exactly ruling on standing (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Cream City on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 12:08:20 PM EST
    you say, and as I said.  

    If sentence construction matters, and it usually does in SC rulings, the emphasis of the sentence is that the GOP would not prevail.  That would seem to speak more to the merits.  Too bad it didn't address those, as that's the question in my state, I think.  And our state AG does have standing, I presume. :-)  (I read that the Ohio AG was in this one, too, so Brunner chose well to focus on the state GOP instead.)

    Now, of course, the focus of the state GOP in Ohio will switch to suppression at the polls.  It will be ugly again, we can suppose.  But at least it ought not mean hundreds of thousands of provisional ballots holding up results.

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    Happy Days are here again.... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 02:13:45 PM EST
    a co-worker got back from a late lunch and saw gas at 2.95 a gallon...we're back under 3 bucks!

    That reminds me.... (none / 0) (#64)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 02:26:38 PM EST
    ...I was watching the Daily Show last night and they had John Oliver doing his Long Island'er routine in front of the debate site.  

    I couldn't help but think of you.  :)

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    Obama pushback (none / 0) (#68)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 17, 2008 at 11:25:30 PM EST
    You probably know about the heinous robocalls [TPM] that repeat the charge McCain made in the debate, that Obama voted to deny lifesaving treatment to infants in Ill:

    "I'm calling on behalf of John McCain and the RNC because you need to know that Barack Obama and his Democrat allies in the Illinois Senate opposed a bill requiring doctors to care for babies born alive after surviving attempted abortions -- a position at odds even with John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama and his liberal Democrats are too extreme for America. Please vote -- vote for the candidates who share our values. This call was paid for by McCain-Palin 2008 and the Republican National Committee at 202 863 8500."

    He is pushing back with a TV ad that discusses his pro-choice position and paints McCain as extreme.  He may have aired it before actually since some of the footage is familiar.  But it was good to see some pushback from him on this subject in particular.

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