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Final Obama-McCain Debate: Live Blog

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:50:00 PM EST
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The third and final debate between Senators Barack Obama and John McCain begins at 9pm ET on CNN. Big Tent Democrat, TChris, the TL Kid and I will be live-blogging.

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    Final Obama-McCain Debate: Live Blog | 207 comments (207 topical)
    It's official. (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 07:55:30 PM EST
    At 8:54 pm LarryInNYC is calling the debate for Obama.

    And a GIRL wins Project Runway ;) (none / 0) (#2)
    by nycstray on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:02:33 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Haha, I was freaking out because (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by jtaylorr on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:19:57 PM EST
    I thought you spoiled the ending (I have it Tivoed), then I remembered Jerrell had already been eliminated.
    Thanks for not spoiling it!

    [ Parent ]
    Small business question is key (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:12:05 PM EST
    to people I know anyway, most of us work for small businesses. It is the main criticism I hear about Obama.

    My husband owns a small business, employs (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:02:54 PM EST
    fewer than 10 people.  It's a professional firm, and the business makes more than $250K.  Sounds like a lot of money but think about how much risk there is in owning your own business, being responsible for a staff, and also having to pay for health insurance for yourself and your staff, trying to save for retirement since you're the only one who can take care of this - in other words you're not dependent on anyone else for these things.  Takes a lot of money to do that.  And if you have a retirement plan for yourself such as a SEP then you have to give equal funding for your employees.  Risk, people forget what that is relative to what you earn or should earn.  Don't even get me started on overhead.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, I'd like to know if it's a valid criticism. (none / 0) (#18)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:13:01 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Depends (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:16:03 PM EST
    If the business makes less than $250k, no tax raise, if more then they get their taxes raised.  The ones that employ more than 10 people probably make more than 250k.  I know my company, employing 25 people, makes more than that.

    For a good discussion, see mark ambinder  today at theatlantic.com

    [ Parent ]

    95% of all small business makes less than 250k (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by DFLer on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:18:57 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    When you count an individual (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:22:16 PM EST
    contract employee, a student for example, that makes $5000 doing work for his department in college, as a small business, then you are right.  That is what is misleading about Obama's statistics.

    [ Parent ]
    It sounds to me like McCain is really (none / 0) (#20)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:14:14 PM EST
    talking about only large businesses, but I'm not positive.

    [ Parent ]
    If you call a business employing 25 (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:18:06 PM EST
    people and making, say, 300k a year a large business, then he is.

    People who work for companies like that consider it a small business.

    [ Parent ]

    ok, thanks a lot for your information! (none / 0) (#37)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:19:24 PM EST
    Doesn't sound like Obama goes high enough for "small" businesses. I've worked for one like that too.

    [ Parent ]
    As if (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:12:07 PM EST
    he gives a rat's ass about Joe the Plumber . . .

    Someone didn't (none / 0) (#21)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:14:44 PM EST
    take their crotchety-old-man medication. If maybe, just maybe, McCain stopped interrupting Obama for one second, he may just get an answer to his question.

    [ Parent ]
    Is Joe the Plumber related (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:12:51 PM EST
    to Joe sixpack?

    Actually (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:15:21 PM EST
    I think Joe the Plumber is engaged to Joesephina Sixpack

    [ Parent ]
    He's from Massachusetts. . . (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:17:30 PM EST
    and he's engaged to Joe Sixpack.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama needed to say that (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by cpa1 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:17:04 PM EST
    Wealth has already been redistributed to the wealthy in monstrous proportions and look what it has done for us.  It is time for Trickle up, giving those who need the tax breaks those tax breaks that will enable them to spend and crank up our economy.

    He was nervous and not very good.  It should have stuff McCain with that one

    earmarksearmarksplanetarium (5.00 / 0) (#38)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:19:25 PM EST


    That planetarium line.... (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:26:23 PM EST
    it irks me just about as much as the grizzly bear DNA mocking spiel.

    The Adler Planetarium in Chicago is a first-rate public museum that teaches astronomical science to the public, including to lots of Chicago kids. I think that projector was a pretty good investment in science education.

    And the grizzly bear DNA study was a conventional modern study using molecular data to study geographic home ranges, kinship, and mating patterns in grizzlies.

    I hate when he ridicules money spent on scientific research and education! I suppose we're supposed to think it's wasteful... compared to say the money spent in Iraq or something.

    [ Parent ]

    torture (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by noholib on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:25:37 PM EST
    Why is Obama praising McCain for opposing torture when McCain later reversed himself to support Bush on this?

    Ooooo. Scheiffer hits on negative. . . (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:26:33 PM EST
    campaigning.  Good question, actually, not withstanding that it draws a false equivalence between the two campaigns.

    flashback to McCain on Larry King (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:28:27 PM EST
    telling W he was out of line.

    well (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by connecticut yankee on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:28:27 PM EST
    McCain didnt pull the trigger.  Played the victim card. LOL!

    So McC goes on and on about how vicious (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:29:36 PM EST
    Obama has been. All his fault.

    But Obama says 2/3 of Am. People say McC running a negative campaign. 100% of McC's ads are negative.

    Good responses from Obama, IMO.

    Yikes (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:32:20 PM EST
    Obama goes there "Kill him" quotes

    Obama is so friggin' calm. (5.00 / 0) (#67)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:34:10 PM EST
    Even talking about the death threats he is so calm.  That's a good electoral characteristic.

    He's got that weird smirk thing going on (none / 0) (#93)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:47:41 PM EST
    Obama seems sorta pissed.   I think it's a bit more difficult than he had thought.   McCain's better than I expected.  

    [ Parent ]
    You're attacking the (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:34:21 PM EST
    patriotism of veterans by criticizing people for wanting to kill you! Hmph!

    Oops. McCain falls for Ayers / ACORN (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:37:20 PM EST
    trap.

    What a doofus.

    And. . . (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:39:41 PM EST
    Obama slays him.

    [ Parent ]
    Hey! (none / 0) (#74)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:39:08 PM EST
    You can't call those God-fearing patriotic American veterans doofuses! Even if you aren't at all referring to them!

    How dare you >:P

    [ Parent ]

    200,000 dollars per year is NOT middle class (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Romberry on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:38:19 PM EST
    Median family income in the United States is around 50k. 200k is not middle class. Why on earth would a Dem be proposing tax cuts for people earning six figures?

    I'm sorry, but both of these candidates well and truly suck. I will vote for neither.

    I don't know.... (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:20:19 PM EST
    my sister and her husband probably make damn near close to 200k...if they have the money they go out to dinner more...good for the economy, and keeps my broke-arse friends who wait tables working.

    If the govt. gets it they employ a DEA agent.

    [ Parent ]

    Running mates? Is Scheiffer on our payroll? (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:41:24 PM EST


    but, but Palin is a maverick! (none / 0) (#81)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:41:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Good line (5.00 / 0) (#80)
    by connecticut yankee on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:41:36 PM EST
    Says more about your campaign than it does about me.

    This focus group is CRAP (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:43:55 PM EST
    the men are obviously hardcore Republicans.

    No, (none / 0) (#88)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:45:43 PM EST
    I think they're just not paying attention. The men acted like this last time and the time before that.

    [ Parent ]
    I expected the lines to go way down when (none / 0) (#94)
    by Teresa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:47:46 PM EST
    he discussed Palin. They actually went up a pretty decent amount, especially with men. A lesson for the blogs, maybe? They need to stick to the economy.

    [ Parent ]
    oh lawd, Palin should be VP (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:44:28 PM EST
    because of special needs children

    McCain is just sinking himself. (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:45:43 PM EST
    I'm so proud of Sarah Palin.  She's just the kind of person to sweep out the old boy crony network -- like me!

    Obama is getting his clocked cleaned (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by cpa1 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:45:52 PM EST
    Except for Ayers

    Which debate are you watching? (5.00 / 0) (#126)
    by TomStewart on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:00:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    McCain sounds like he (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:47:14 PM EST
    doesn't know what he wants to talk about. Everything he says he magically links to Obama being the evil-tax-and-spend boogieman.

    No, he sounds like he wants to talk about (none / 0) (#98)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:50:24 PM EST
    Obama taxing and spending. That is his theme. I know he rarely sticks to a theme, so it is easy to miss. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    OH! (none / 0) (#106)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:54:01 PM EST
    Ok. I was just confused there. It's like the moderator asks about how cute kittens are and McCain answers with "Obama will tax kittens!! RAHRR!!!!"

    [ Parent ]
    You are right that he is doing that (none / 0) (#109)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:55:00 PM EST
    But it is a strategy, not confusion.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, (none / 0) (#118)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:58:09 PM EST
    I understand his strategy. I guess I'm the one who's confused. Do you think he's actually going to answer the questions? Is that giving him too much credit.

    [ Parent ]
    Not if he can help it! (none / 0) (#179)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:21:38 PM EST
    You are not confused!!!  that is an old political debate strategy - never answer what you are asked, say what you want to say.  I don't think it works - people notice it, like you did.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, (none / 0) (#121)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:58:54 PM EST
    I understand his strategy. I guess I'm the one who's confused. Do you think he's actually going to answer the questions? Is that giving him too much credit?

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry! (none / 0) (#123)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:59:31 PM EST
    for the double post, that is. Computer oops.

    [ Parent ]
    McCain gets the last word EVERY Time (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by cpa1 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:57:18 PM EST
    Sheefer is a long time friend of the Bush family and it shows here.

    Joe the plumber! (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by snstara on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:59:59 PM EST
    Drink!

    Joe, (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Radiowalla on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:02:35 PM EST
    Please bring your plunger!  I'm already on the floor!

    [ Parent ]
    oh geesh. Joe, my friend, the plumber (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:00:16 PM EST


    MCain could lose this election (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:00:22 PM EST
    on his health care plan alone

    I'll pay Joe's fine for him. . . (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:00:49 PM EST
    if we don't have to listen to McCain any more.

    My plumber is actually named Joe. (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:03:11 PM EST
    My friends and I call him Joe the Plumber. In fact, his plumber son is named Joe too.

    [ Parent ]
    Not that Joe! (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:04:44 PM EST
    I'll pay for McCain's imaginary friend Joe -- not any real Joe and his whole brood of Joe Formans at home.

    [ Parent ]
    Zero? (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:02:05 PM EST
    Wachoo talkin' 'bout 'Bama?

    McCain's face was priceless.

    LOL!!! (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:03:30 PM EST
    It was great.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah that was great! (none / 0) (#140)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:04:39 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    my insurance (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:02:36 PM EST
    costs 600. a month.  5k won't cut it.

    My two friends are married and paying (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by cpa1 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:08:29 PM EST
    $1,250 a month each or close to $30,000 a year.  Add to that the non prescription allergy meds they now have to pay for, increases in the deductibles and co-pays and they are close to $32,000 a year.  My friends are 60 and 56

    [ Parent ]
    I've never seen anyone work so hard. . . (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:06:14 PM EST
    for the plumber's union endorsement.

    Culture War (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:12:42 PM EST
    Has "officially" begun via McCain's cue.

    No common ground Obama (5.00 / 3) (#162)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:15:37 PM EST
    Aaaaarrrrgghhh

    i don't care which topic, no common ground.

    So what, (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:16:33 PM EST
    McCain doesn't think it's possible for a woman to die giving birth?!?!?!?!?!

    That was "officially" the WTF moment of the night.

    "Health of the woman. . . (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:18:53 PM EST
    is the extreme pro-Abortion position".

    You know the Obama campaign is editing the ad right this very minute.

    [ Parent ]

    Heh, (none / 0) (#185)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:23:58 PM EST
    they should make it dark and grainy and put an extremely over-exaggerating announcer guy saying,

    "Health of the mother is not important to you Mr. McCain? How dishonorable.

    John McCain. He's for dying mothers. With apple pie."

    [ Parent ]

    Its like McCain isn't even debating (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:19:19 PM EST
    and listenening to counterpoint Obama, it's just all well worn, outdated right-wing attacks.

    [ Parent ]
    He's doing a Palin (none / 0) (#180)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:22:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Lying and Lying. (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by liberalLibertarian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:17:49 PM EST
    McCain speaks a lie. He repeats the lie. Nobody calls him on it. I wish O would have jumped all over his ass. The raise taxes lie. The free trade lie. The associations lies. On and on.

    There isn't enough time (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:19:04 PM EST
    in the world to call on all of McCain's lies.

    [ Parent ]
    Uh (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:18:33 PM EST
    I don't care for Obama's supporting a ban on late term abortion - with or without the caviat of the health of the mother.

    I couldn't do it - but I just can't get away from the feeling that this is men talking about what a woman can or cannot do with what is happening in her own body.

    Late term abortions are (5.00 / 4) (#187)
    by denise k on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:24:44 PM EST
    almost always very despearate and sad situations.  The health exception is especially for woman carrying a fetus that is not capable of living outside the womb.  Imagine having to carry a child for 2 or 3 months knowing that you won't have a living baby at the end.  That is what would be required if there were no health exception for the mother.  

    [ Parent ]
    The YouTube Video (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    of the real Joe the plumber asking Obama a question has Obama coming off superbly. He spends five minutes out in the sun explaining how the tax policy works and the crowd claps for him when it's over. Hell, even Joe appears to understand by the time he is done. That was campaigning at its best.

    Charter schools. (5.00 / 2) (#181)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:22:36 PM EST
    Yuch.

    What is McCain On? (5.00 / 1) (#184)
    by Doc Rock on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:23:44 PM EST
    His pupils have been wide open the whole night under those lights and he's had this sickening Cheshire cat grin all night?

    Obama's just wrong on early childhood ed (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:24:37 PM EST
    By third grade, it's equalized out.  No benefits.  

    Obama's not looking good and he sounds defensive again on education.  I am shocked at his performance tonight.  Knock me over with a feather.  I thought he'd be much better.  

    Choice in schools will get to many people but unions hate the idea, so that's good for Obama.  

    McCain (5.00 / 3) (#201)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:28:51 PM EST
    during this whole debate came off as fake, mean, rude, cranky, confused, incoherent, and the living incarnate of the Cheshire Cat. Thank God this is all over.

    As we used to say at Wrigley (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:29:39 PM EST
    Na na na na
    na na na na
    Hey John, good-bye

    Good closing for Obama (5.00 / 0) (#204)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:30:58 PM EST
    I like this crisper delivery a lot.

    oh puhleese (4.80 / 5) (#154)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:10:28 PM EST
    Roe v Wade again .  Excuse me Obama I ain't talking to my pastor about abortion.  Solely the woman's decision, tah very much.

    McCain is wining this round, (none / 0) (#159)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:14:38 PM EST
    Obama seems defensive on saving partial birth abortion babies who are born alive.  

    [ Parent ]
    Here we go . . . (none / 0) (#3)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:02:44 PM EST
    I've got my nausea pills right here.

    Dangit. Men vs women lines. I like (none / 0) (#4)
    by Teresa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:03:42 PM EST
    the other ones better. This tells me nothing I don't already know.

    I'm not watching the lines this time (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    Just revelling in the joy of this being the last debate this season.  I'm almost giddy.

    [ Parent ]
    Can someone (none / 0) (#6)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:06:07 PM EST
    answer me what's wrong with govt buying the home-owner loans?

    I'm just honestly curious. This issue has really just flown over my head.

    If they buy them at face value. . . (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:07:28 PM EST
    then it's a huge bailout for crappy loans made by dishonest brokers, rated by sleazy rating agencies, and bought by insane investors.

    If they buy them at a greatly reduced value, punishing the banks for their screw-ups, then it might be a good idea.

    Obama is saying exactly this as I type.

    [ Parent ]

    Oops, (none / 0) (#11)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:10:14 PM EST
    sorry. I'll listen :)

    [ Parent ]
    No, I just meant. . . (none / 0) (#16)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:12:10 PM EST
    aren't I smart -- Obama's saying what I said.

    [ Parent ]
    Then why (none / 0) (#23)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:15:49 PM EST
    aren't you advising the Obama campaign, sir or ma'am?

    [ Parent ]
    I advise them night and day. . . (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:18:29 PM EST
    can I help it if they don't read TalkLeft?

    [ Parent ]
    HOLC smash. (none / 0) (#7)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:06:07 PM EST
    McCain making a decent argument -- against Paulson and Obama -- for homeowner relief.  No mention of what amount the government would pay the loan holders.

    Here it comes! (none / 0) (#9)
    by lobary on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:08:19 PM EST
    Obama, you're a Socialist!

    wow (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:09:31 PM EST
    we are now discussing Joe the plumber. McCain starts off slow

    Wait! That's not Joe the plumber! (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:10:57 PM EST
    That's Joe Lieberman in overalls and carrying a pipe wrench.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, (none / 0) (#13)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:11:04 PM EST
    he stumbled alot on that little anecdote.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm guessing (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:13:25 PM EST
    "Joe the Plumber" is the new "My Friends"

    [ Parent ]
    Did BTD run off and kidnap the TL kid? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Teresa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:16:17 PM EST


    Where (none / 0) (#26)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:16:40 PM EST
    is BTD?

    McCain decides not to answer (none / 0) (#28)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:17:30 PM EST
    the energy question

    Those Ohio folks always love drilling. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Teresa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:17:50 PM EST


    AS usual (none / 0) (#31)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:18:03 PM EST
    lots of question ducking.  I think McCain appears a bit uncertain...

    It doesn't even much matter what McCain says (none / 0) (#32)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:18:05 PM EST
    he just come off as mean.

    First Iowa, now goes Floirda (none / 0) (#36)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:18:59 PM EST
    McCain wants to cut the sugar tariff!

    Well, (none / 0) (#39)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:20:12 PM EST
    if you hack off a leg, what the hell do you need a scalpel for?

    Never bring a scalpel. . . (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:21:31 PM EST
    to a hatchet fight.  That's my motto!

    [ Parent ]
    You act enough (none / 0) (#40)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:21:19 PM EST
    like Bush to me.

    President Bush. . . (none / 0) (#43)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:22:19 PM EST
    President Bushed.  What's the difference.

    [ Parent ]
    Women ohio uncommitted voters on CNN (none / 0) (#44)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:22:25 PM EST
    are NOT loving McCain

    Good shot from McCain (none / 0) (#45)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:23:00 PM EST
    "I'm not President Bush..."  etc.

    Obama coming back from it. . . (none / 0) (#46)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:24:27 PM EST
    right now.  Excellent, respectful, crushing response -- on economic issues, you support eight more years of the Bush policies.

    [ Parent ]
    P.O.W.! (none / 0) (#47)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:24:36 PM EST
    Drink!

    McCain is better in this format than the last (none / 0) (#48)
    by Teresa on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST
    one so far. I thought it would be the opposite.

    He's done Shieffer's Sunday show (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:29:22 PM EST
    over 100 times, and MTP god knows how many.  I'm not surprised he likes this.

    [ Parent ]
    Uh oh (none / 0) (#50)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:25:43 PM EST
    I sense  an Ayers remark coming!

    Here it comes!!! (none / 0) (#51)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:25:56 PM EST


    Wait, (none / 0) (#53)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:26:26 PM EST
    he's blaming Obama for not jumping when he said jump for the tone of the campaign?

    [ Parent ]
    Obama! (none / 0) (#55)
    by TomStewart on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:26:50 PM EST
    Get off my lawn! I'm keeping the baseball! It's part of my 'Kids Play' freeze!

    Grrrrrrrr.

    OMG...McCain is nasty b/c (none / 0) (#56)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:26:58 PM EST
    Obama didn't do town halls! Who knew??

    McCain's dirty politics are all Obama's fault.... (none / 0) (#57)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:27:11 PM EST
    hmmmm.....

    What the hell? (none / 0) (#58)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:27:32 PM EST
    McCain has not taken up for Obama "every time".
    Obama hits back (none / 0) (#63)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:30:00 PM EST
    on town hall bs!

    Cute argument. . . (none / 0) (#65)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:32:23 PM EST
    "Obama is spending more than anyone else in history" on negative ads.  That may be true -- but he's spending more on everything than anyone else.

    A variation on Bush's old line (none / 0) (#151)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 09:09:26 PM EST
    about more people owning homes than any time in history.  Of course that is true - every single year.

    Come to think of it, he has not been bragging about that lately.

    [ Parent ]

    "You misrepresent" (none / 0) (#66)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:32:29 PM EST
    my healthcare plan!!!!"

    But you said Obama wants to teach sex to kindergarteners. Come on. Seriously. Let's be grown ups tonight.

    WTF is McCain talking about??? (none / 0) (#68)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:34:17 PM EST


    McCain PROUD. . . (none / 0) (#70)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:34:35 PM EST
    of everyone who attends his rallies.

    It's Ayers and ACORN time! (none / 0) (#73)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:39:07 PM EST
    Yikes they are going there.  Creepy smile from McCain.

    CNN lines going into negatives now (none / 0) (#76)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:39:59 PM EST


    for McCain that is (none / 0) (#79)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:41:25 PM EST
    both men and women

    [ Parent ]
    Was it during Ayers? (none / 0) (#84)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:43:36 PM EST
    I can't believe McCain went there.  What a nitwit.

    You can absolutely hear each of the different campaign advisors -- one says "go negative" so McCain has that line.  One says "it's about taxes", so he tries to shoe-horn that into the same answer.

    [ Parent ]

    Who is better, sez Bob (none / 0) (#77)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:41:18 PM EST
    Biden or Palin?  This oughta be good.

    I wouldn't (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by shoulin4 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:42:23 PM EST
    be able to hold my silence if I were in that crowd. I'd cause a stir by laughing myself to death when he asked that question.

    [ Parent ]
    Idiotic question with the predictable silly answer (none / 0) (#96)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:48:28 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Palin is a reformer! (none / 0) (#83)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:43:21 PM EST
    Oh boy.  

    Oh Obama don't (none / 0) (#87)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:45:19 PM EST
    be so calm and reasonable.  I wanna see some passion, please.

    Nope. It's all about face. (5.00 / 0) (#97)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:48:45 PM EST
    Obama cannot and will not lose face.  He shouldn't get mad.

    [ Parent ]
    But he did seem mad, calmer now (none / 0) (#100)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:50:55 PM EST
    But why is Obama looking in different places?  First off to the left, then to the right and now straight at the camera.  Oops, now he's back gazing left.  He's making me dizzy.  

    [ Parent ]
    I agree, he has to get mad and (none / 0) (#91)
    by cpa1 on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:46:54 PM EST
    McCain is getting al the time and the last word almost every time.

    [ Parent ]
    Are you looking at the split screen? (none / 0) (#101)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:51:27 PM EST
    He is laughing at McCain a lot.

    [ Parent ]
    McCain is losing it (none / 0) (#95)
    by andgarden on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:48:10 PM EST
    What a pompous nasty SOB. His comment about NAFTA just came off wrong.

    His creepy smile (none / 0) (#99)
    by sallywally on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:50:24 PM EST
    and big black (huge pupils?) eyes....

    Reminds me of my cats about to pounce.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama's sounding more in control again (none / 0) (#102)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:52:29 PM EST
    But McCain is nailing him on off shore drilling.

    I wish Obama wouldn't stare at McCain during the split screen thing.  Makes him look weird.

    I CAN NOT stand McCain (none / 0) (#103)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:52:51 PM EST


    Is McCain stumbling over words? (none / 0) (#104)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:53:34 PM EST
    That last answer sounded like he could barely get it out.

    John is going to lose it (none / 0) (#105)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:53:51 PM EST
    any minute

    Okay (none / 0) (#107)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:54:21 PM EST
    McCain is flailing now.  frozen smile, fixed stare while he waits to hit again

    John is going to lose it (none / 0) (#108)
    by byteb on Wed Oct 15, 2008 at 08:54:50 PM EST
    any minute