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McCain Pastor: My God Is Bigger than Your God

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:18:50 PM EST
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I honestly have never seen anything this bizarre:

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    Like I said when the text of this (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:23:09 PM EST
    was posted, it seems to me that a right wing pastor ought not be acknowledging the existence of other gods.

    I was struck by the idea (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:28:35 PM EST
    that God's reputation could be on the line in this election.

    Do you think this pastor will renoiunce God if McCain loses? Will he become a Satan worshipper?

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    Do football players curse Jesus when they lose? (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:30:15 PM EST


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    Not that I know of (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:32:24 PM EST


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    though it does remind me of the scene (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:38:58 PM EST
    from Caddyshack where the priest goes for the course record and misses his putt and curses God, get hit by lightning and comes out of it saying "there is no God."

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    Well, I think the aggressive atheist in me (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:35:33 PM EST
    has a pat answer to this. But it doesn't matter.

    People like this guy see no reason to be consistent.

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    As a passive agnostic (none / 0) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 01:43:25 AM EST
    I have always thought theology probably belonged in the fiction section. but if I'm wrong I hope God looks like George Burns.

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    Well... (none / 0) (#41)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:12:28 AM EST
    I hope God looks like Marilyn Monroe.

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    Well, my brother used to say (none / 0) (#8)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:33:00 PM EST
    Gawdammit when he dropped a pass...

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    You misheard... (none / 0) (#6)
    by steviez314 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:32:11 PM EST
    He wasn't asking God to help him with his eLection, he wanted help with his ...... :)

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    Mel Brooks Voice: (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:34:33 PM EST
    "Use the Schwartz!"

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    Lone Star.... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 09:24:09 AM EST
    "I see your schwartz is as big as mine"

    LOL

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    Nah.... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Moishele on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 09:53:31 AM EST
    God will renounce him causing McCain to lose.

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    Good job (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by lentinel on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:31:49 PM EST
    McCain is behind in the polls.
    God is obviously unaware, or is too busy with other stuff - the playoffs maybe - to take decisive action to straighten this out.
    Meanwhile, other godlettes are running amuck and measuring the drapes.

    It is this pastor's job to make God realize that His reputation is on the line. If McCain were to lose, God would look like  a real chump.

    Smell the coffee, God.

    Heh (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    "other godlettes are running amuck and measuring the drapes."

    Good one.

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    It's funny (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:36:19 PM EST
    W and company started using that "measure the drapes" line in 2006 just as it became clear that they were going to get shellacked.

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    Well, when god's collide (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:52:37 PM EST
    there will be Armageddon.  I sort of want to see the rumble.  Can you just hear the big arena announcer?

    Background Players (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by noonan on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:54:17 PM EST
    Who are the guys in uniform in the background? Since this is a political rally, shouldn't uniformed soldiers participating in it be punished under military code? Especially since it was revamped this year to make it even more clear you don't wear a uniform to protest or participate in political events?

    Awesome (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Faust on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 11:56:11 PM EST
    a preacher basically trying to blackmail God into giving the election to McCain. That's too funny.

    Good to know (2.00 / 0) (#14)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:36:58 PM EST
    blasphemy isn't outlawed on this site.

    Yet.

    Never? Honestly, NEVER? (none / 0) (#4)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:30:57 PM EST
    You've got to get out more, Big Tent.

    I'll admit that invocation is right up there on the bizarro/wacky scale.  I give it an 8...same score I gave Rev. Wright...both in church and at the Nat. Press Club.

    In a major political campaign? (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:33:46 PM EST
    It takes the cake for me.

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    Remember Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin? (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:52:07 PM EST
    From the Dallas Baptist Standard:

    Appearing in uniform during a speech at the Oregon church, Boykin said: "Why do they (radical Muslims) hate us? Why do they hate us so much? Ladies and gentlemen, the answer to that is because we're a Christian nation."

    The British Telegraph News reports: Investigative reporters from the Los Angeles Times and NBC television have dug up two years' worth of incendiary comments from Gen. Boykin. He has repeatedly told Christian groups that President George W Bush was chosen by God to lead the global fight against Satan.

    He told one gathering:

    "Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."

    General Boykin has repeatedly said that America 's enemy was

    "a spiritual enemy ... called Satan." The enemy will only be defeated, according to General Boykin, "if we come against them in the name of Jesus."

    Rather than fire Boykin to reassure Iraqi's that we aren't really fighting a holy war, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said:

    "There are a lot of things that are said by people that are their views," he said, "and that's the way we live. We are free people and that's the wonderful thing about our country, and I think for anyone to run around and think that can be managed or controlled is probably wrong."

    A Pentagon investigation has concluded that a senior intelligence officer violated regulations by failing to make it clear that he was not acting in an official capacity when, in speaking at churches, he cast the war on terrorism in religious terms, a Defense Department official said.

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    Not a man of the cloth was he? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:56:59 PM EST


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    Apparently not at the time, (none / 0) (#25)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:11:00 PM EST
    although he appeared to think he had a larger portfolio than a military uniform usually bestows.

    As for 'men of the cloth,' remember Father Coughlin?  Not literally, of course...that was the 30s...but talk about your successful radio hate preacher...

    But I digress...sorry...

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    So . . . are we gonna have a God-off? (none / 0) (#16)
    by nycstray on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:41:02 PM EST
    or a Pastor throwdown?

    Biden needs to get his out there so we can have a round of doubles . . .

    Suspended steel cage match (none / 0) (#19)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:51:14 PM EST
    with a bonus lake of molten flaming sulfur instead of a ring below the cage.

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    I am going down to Kentucky soon (none / 0) (#42)
    by samtaylor2 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 07:40:21 AM EST
    I need to check that out.  

    Kentucky is gorgeous (minus many of the people)- though I guess they can say that about most beautiful places on earth.

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    OT (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:42:51 PM EST
    But I'm listening to an interesting interview with Krugman (MP3) from today.

    What did I say yesterday (none / 0) (#18)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:49:16 PM EST
    about this?  Hmm?  Right here:

    The core error in the theology which drives the McCain/Palin (McPain?) [campaign's] so-called Christianist supporters is that their belief system (in practice) has [re-]made god in man's image.

    Their god is susceptible to flattery and bribery from/through offerings of all sorts.

    Their god is not omniscient - because it takes lots and lots of petitionary prayer to tell their god what needs to happen.

    Their god is not omnipotent - because the devil still exists and the outcome of the battle between good and evil is in doubt.

    Their god is not omnipresent - because there are areas where his word has to be spread.

    Their god's followers, well, they're at least a little arrogant, because they know what god has to do for them and the followers aren't shy about telling him.

    I could go on, but you get the idea. The McPain god is a 98 pound weakling who doesn't know what is going on and needs to be told what to do, when, how, and how much. And could lose at any moment.

    And, FWIW, McCain has bought into this error lock, stock and barrel - remember the question about what he would do about evil, which was put to him by the megachurch pastor at the joint Obama/McCain megachurch presentation? Remember McCain's answer: "I'll defeat evil."

    How is it that feeble, doddering old McCain proposes to defeat evil, when the McPain god can't?

    Hmmmm?

    Q.E.D.  Thanks, Rev.

    Really? McCain's campaign has not come down. . . (none / 0) (#24)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 08:57:21 PM EST
    to "Mine is bigger than yours"?

    Dear God... (none / 0) (#26)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:14:52 PM EST
    I knew one of the guys couldn't pass up that opportunity.

    Bad, Larry.  Bad.

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    I'm sorry. Blame BTD. . . (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:29:18 PM EST
    His post constitutes an attractive nuisance.

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    Well, there ya go.... (none / 0) (#29)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:32:46 PM EST
    I've fallen into that trap myself, a time or two...

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    Bill Maher (none / 0) (#27)
    by stevea66 on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:25:10 PM EST
    should've interviewed this guy for Religilous.  Oh, well...you can't include every religious wacko.

    Speaking of religious wacko's - that Palin thinks the troopergate report clears her of all wrong-doing.  She has been saying that over and over again.  I don't get it.  It's like they really do live in a parallel universe or something.

    'The Big Lie' (none / 0) (#31)
    by oldpro on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 09:36:28 PM EST
    You just repeat it over and over and bluff it out.  Tried and true propaganda technique.

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    BTD's posts (none / 0) (#33)
    by cpinva on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 10:02:04 PM EST
    should be fined, for contributing to the delinquency of adults!

    larry, isn't this really what it always comes down to, when guys get together?:

    Really? McCain's campaign has not come down. . . to "Mine is bigger than yours"?

    bow down your heads, in adoration to the splendor that is "the flying spaghetti monstor", creator of the entire universe!

    Please pray that Lewis and Burress (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Mon Oct 13, 2008 at 10:05:53 PM EST
    both get another TD tonight! I need to rack up some fantasy points to cut into my friend's lead on my team. We match up this week. Girls rule in high scores this past week!

    If there's a Cowboy/Giant matchup, I'm a Texan!

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    This is typical evangelical stuff. (none / 0) (#37)
    by mexboy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 01:21:26 AM EST
    If you don't understand this, then you don't understand the mind of fundamentalists and, or evangelicals, and will never understand why they vote as a block.

    This goes to the core belief that there is only one God and that you only attain salvation/heaven thru the blood of Jesus Christ, therefore all other gods are false gods (demons). That's why he names Hindus, etc.

    This is mainstream Christian theology.

    Shouldn't this guy at least be aware... (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by DanAllNews on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:07:28 AM EST
    ...that Christians & Muslims pray to the same God?

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    Not exactly (none / 0) (#40)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:09:21 AM EST
    The amusing thing is that this pastor is trying to straighten God out.

    He wants God to realize that his (God's) reputation is on the line.
    He is portraying God as some kind of dimwit who doesn't know what the hell is going on and who better get of his rump or suffer the consequences of diminished credibility.

    This pastor is putting himself way above God.

    Or - on the other hand, maybe he thinks he is the Consigliere to the GodFather.

    Either way, the issue is the enormous ego of the pastor - not the core beliefs of evangelicals.

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    totally disagree (none / 0) (#47)
    by mexboy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:02:17 PM EST
    Its obvious you guys haven't been in one of these churches. This is the mainstream evangelical, non denominational, Calvinist, and fundamental churches, just to name a few. And this is how they ALL pray. I was in these churches.

    There is no scandal here, If you understand that these are core christian beliefs for the majority of christians in America.

    This is my opinion based on my experience in the church.

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    You were "in these churches" (none / 0) (#51)
    by lentinel on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:16:44 PM EST
    You were in all of these churches: "mainstream evangelical, non denominational, Calvinist, and fundamental churches"?

    What do you mean by "in"?

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    I was a member of each denomination (none / 0) (#52)
    by mexboy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 07:31:31 PM EST
    at certain times.
    I grew up in the church, you sometimes go to church everyday.
    That's what I mean.

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    Wow, trying to extort cooperation out of God (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 09:00:35 AM EST
    Nobody's too big for the wingers to attempt to scare into compliance.

    Allah is God (none / 0) (#45)
    by CST on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 09:32:32 AM EST
    The same God that Christians worship.  As far as I know, Jews, Muslims, and Christians don't disagree on God.  They disagree on Jesus.  So the Muslims are praying to the same God.  He might want to try threatening Jesus instead, since at least he won't have a conflict of interest.

    Also, I kinda wonder about the Hindus wanting Obama as president.  Do we know if he's won them over yet?  I did notice that he forgot to mention the Jews.  He must've gotten the memo that the Jews are swing voters while Muslims and HIndus are apparently to be written off.

    Jesus is God in Christian theology (none / 0) (#50)
    by mexboy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:07:53 PM EST
    Jesus is the word of god who took on flesh. It is the word that created all that is. So you have a misunderstanding about the religion.

    You guys trying to make an issue out of this only helps McCain, which is fine with me.

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    In the mind of christians Alla is a false god. (none / 0) (#48)
    by mexboy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:03:23 PM EST


    *Allah (none / 0) (#49)
    by mexboy on Tue Oct 14, 2008 at 06:03:51 PM EST


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